Everton Banter

16 May 2024 16:46:36
Any truth in the report Man U could move to Goodison while their ground gets a redevelopment.

{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

16 May 2024 19:04:27
Can't wouldn't happen, some things are greater than money.

16 May 2024 19:18:56
Never say never mate.

16 May 2024 20:22:26
No police force could control it the hatred the residents around goodison have for mancs they would need to deploy the British army every home game ain't happening.

16 May 2024 20:35:32
Absolute no chance they will hold the Manchester derby in the city of Liverpool GB sorry.

Everton should be the last home team to play at goodison end of pal.

16 May 2024 16:45:00
I'm gathering we will be selling at least 1 forward either Beto or DCL as we have been linked with che adams again on a free unless he chooses wolves over us. i suppose it's needs must for a few windows and we can get players in to do a job Sad times but we are EVERTON and will be fine COYB'S 💙💙💪💪💪.

16 May 2024 19:06:06
I am not concerned to be honest, we have some very good young uns. The problem is Dyches distrust of youth.

16 May 2024 19:57:02
Well think he is going to have to trust some next season and I hope we have a few that prove him wrong.

16 May 2024 07:44:58
Whats people foughts on the current discussion that VAR could be scrapped next season my opinion i would keep it but it needs a proper adjustment the handball rule seriously needs addressing to i think we need referees from abroad cause our current refs all seem to be helping eachother out including stockley park even when they are wrong and then but last why havnt we got ifab i watch la liga takes 7 seconds to show if a player is offside where takes us 5 minutes an a 8 year old is on Microsoft paint drawing offside lines at stockley park 😂.

16 May 2024 08:52:21
I would get rid of it Andy mate or at least put on hold until big improvements are implemented.

Totally taken the joy out of watching the game, human error still talking point and caused more debate and arguments then solved.

As you say the handball rule is subjective and needs looking at big time. Don't like the offside decisions far too marginal imo and needs been some kind of margin of the attackers. Also the time involved to make decisions is a joke, I was all for some kind of appeal system in place for managers or captains to challenge decisions but I guess that would only take a age and stop the flow and enjoyment.

16 May 2024 09:05:41
Football has always and will always be a game of opinions. It does generally get more right but the speed is a major problem. When I watch at home even the so called tight ones, I rarely get the offside wrong and I take a second. Handball rule needs to revert back to it's simple deliberate or not and sack off this no goal nonsense even for accidental handball. I say keep it but simplify it. And the ref should not be overruled unless it's a howler. I like the accuracy of off sides but let the refs do the rest.

16 May 2024 09:51:10
Yeah some good points in you're post mocker but yeah hand ball rule definitely needs adjusting but not sure if you watched the united match last night but how did var not review the tackle on gordan was a blatant penalty and his sock was ripped from that tackle 😂.

16 May 2024 09:56:25
Rugby league has used it perfectly for years proper people in charge of it decision made in seconds problem is footballs run by clowns.

16 May 2024 10:08:02
Its not the technology its the people using it, no consistency. If we stay with it then over time you should be able to use machine learning to populate a large enough data lake for AI to make the decisions based on a set of determined values. This would take all the personal interpretation out of the equation providing greater consistency. Or we could just go back to Referees and assistants making the decision and stop whinging when they get its wrong or seem to be biased towards certain clubs.

16 May 2024 10:35:44
Yeah I did watch Andy mate and watched few times since, like you can't believe it wasn't given and Gordan is right, what is the point of VAR!

Statistically it may be getting more tight decisions correct, but the key static for me is my enjoyment of the game since it has been introduced has gone down. Fact!

The technology is great and there to be used but still doesn't solve the subjective calls and as others have rightly stated other sports use it better and more effectively at pace, it's the inept officials we have nowadays and what seems to be a celebrity culture amongst them.

16 May 2024 14:36:07
Absolutely garbage, get rid of var for good would be my perfect solution.

16 May 2024 15:36:30
Get rid of it. There's no joy in the game anymore. VAR stick their noses into everything. It was brought in to assist refs, not try overrule them. It's the incompetent refs who are in the var room that var was brought in to try improve. And everyone has a different interpretation of fouls, handball etc. Just chick it in the bin.

16 May 2024 15:38:10
I'm all for VAR for catching the off the ball incidents or the foul leading to a goal. As for handball it needs simplifying. Offside by an eyebrow is pathetic and no amount of cameras or techno wizardry can accurately be conclusive. Why not make it over half the body (i. e. two arms and a leg, two legs and an arm, one leg one arm and a head) . Easy to see and will not take such a song and dance to sort out.

16 May 2024 15:57:42
Always thought that with offside Nick. If any part of your body that can score is inside it should stand. simple.

15 May 2024 17:48:57
Just been reading Beto wants us to sell him in the summer because he wants to play and not be a sub which i get. but do we actually even own him yet because i can't see any team giving us £26 million for him . l like the effort he puts in but his 1st touch is shocking he traps it further than i can kick it and can't stay on side.

15 May 2024 19:01:27
He's not on a lease or hire purchase arrangements 😂.

15 May 2024 20:43:10
I would imagine he will get his wish for 1st team football, even if he stays, as I can see us selling DCL.

16 May 2024 02:06:44
Maupay and chermiti as back up to Beto then 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️.

16 May 2024 09:06:55
If Maupay does as well as he did, . he'd be our best player.

{Ed025's Note - he will never be the best player in any team FBS, one if not THE worst player we have ever signed imo mate..

16 May 2024 11:15:52
Let him go asap, he's not good enough for this league. Only thing going for him is that he puts in the effort but shouldn't every player do that anyway? As mentioned above, his control is shocking, he's constantly offside and his shooting is erratic. Cut our losses and grant him his wish immediately. If we sell dcl and are left with him as our main striker then we will be scrapping again at the bottom of the table next season for sure.

16 May 2024 14:21:17
DCL:

Minutes played - 2092
Games completing 60 minutes or more - 24
Goals scored - 7 (2 Penalties)
Big chances created - 4
Big chances missed - 15
Offsides - 23

Beto:

Minutes played - 942
Games completing 60 minutes or more - 9
Goals scored - 3
Big chances created - 3
Big chances missed - 8
Offsides - 10

The lad has never gotten a chance to build up even a slither of confidence and we all know that is what strikers thrive off. He has come to a new league and country, in probably the most high-pressured environment possible, considering all the circus with this club.

In noway shape or form do we play to his strengths. The one time we put the ball into him (lovely ball from Garner) he buries it. The occasional times we put him in behind (Doncaster and Newcastle) and he bursts through, using his power and finishes.

Its absolutely baffling how Dom gets given the benefit of the doubt (rightly so btw) about how terrible we are, how little chances we create for him and how he is up there fighting on his own but then those same benefits are not gifted to Beto.

Is Dom a better player, undisputedly so. However, Dom went 19 games without scoring a goal and it was everyone else's fault but his. He has played more than double the game time, got more consistent runs in the team and only scored double the goals Beto has with penalties.

Yes, it was the Italian league but go and look at the goals Beto was scoring for Udinese. He doesn't look like a player who can't score goals to me. Give him time, build his confidence and ultimately, actually give him minutes and he could easily be a 10+ goals striker a season.

The rubbish this man gets is criminal when you can clearly see he tries his best for the shirt, especially when the same cannot be said about others that actually play.

{Ed025's Note - i suppose its how you view things BN, for me Beto is useless mate, very strong and powerful but hes in the wrong sport for me, cant lead the line and is very poor in the air for me, no composure in front of goal and deceptively slow, just my opinion of course..

16 May 2024 15:06:51
By no means do I think he has delivered for us Ed. I think he has been a disappointment but I do think there is an awful lot of context to that disappointment.

It is strange, due to his build and presence, but holding the ball up is not his game. He is slow off the mark but once he gets going he is a hard man to stop.

I think the chances he has missed this season are poor but I think his confidence was decimated from the introduction to life at us. I think he has been criminally mis-managed by Dyche and any chance of him getting going has been non-existent.

I know it is only Doncaster but fans were excited by what he showed in that game. It is extremely unfortunate that Dom decided to be fit for the first time in what felt like forever, which then limited him to a few 5/ 10 minute spells off the bench, where ultimately his confidence eroded by the week.

Personally I think the lad would work best with a partner. It seems absolutely baffling to me that we have one of the best strikers in the league for winning the ball in the air and winning knockdowns or flick ons and then we have Beto, who thrives off being played in behind. How many times has Dyche tried them together, I think I can recall once!

The way I think about new signings has taken a different view now Ed. I will gladly admit that I thought Mykolenko and McNeil were absolutely garbage, even though, like Beto, they both worked their bollocks off. There is no question that they have improved since getting that first stint under their belt. Don't get me wrong they are both still very limited players but they have been important players for us this season for sure. I just feel that Beto could turn out that way for us to, if he was actually given the opportunity.

We shelled out 26 million on him and after this season, I doubt we would get anywhere near that back. Taking that into account, we may as well either give him a chance to prove his worth and/ or increase his value or loan him out back to an Italian club to do the same. I think selling him, is terrible business given our situation.

{Ed025's Note - if we could get our money back i would take him to his new club by wheelbarrow BN, not a fan at all mate but respect your opinion..

15 May 2024 15:29:08
Barber, chief exec at Brighton:

"Player recruitment is not a perfect science. We have a 'twin track' of investing a lot of money in our academy to find players on our own doorstep and finding talent from parts of the world others are not even looking in, let alone recruiting from. It is that part which gives us confidence. "

Everton new owners, whoever you may be, take note please!

15 May 2024 18:09:07
Sounds straight forward. Why Brighton would be the only team doing this is baffling.

15 May 2024 18:40:24
There's bound to ne players aged 18-25 years old in leagues we haven't even thought of looking in who would make us better, and probably for peanuts.

15 May 2024 19:25:03
Teams send scouts all over the planet and they have there own youth systems if local youths are deemed good enough they get signed up.

16 May 2024 19:13:28
Watched my Grandson in a multi-age Tournament. Two old guys (older than me at the time) wearing Everton kit (scouts) , asked me how old was this lad, that lad (grandson) ? I answered, 8. Hmmmm we like to get em 6 or 7 at this level, I laughed!

15 May 2024 10:01:28
If Deli, Gomes, Keane Danjums and Onana all leave that's an around 500k a week off the wage bill. 500k for players who hardly played.
Or look at it another way, that's 26m a season.

15 May 2024 12:54:09
Embarrassingly, it's probably even more than that, Harlex.
Keane may end up staying - can't see who'd pay his wages.

15 May 2024 18:42:33
I think Keane will leave unless Dyche has told him that Branthwaite could be going, so to hang around . I doubt it though. He hasn't played much and I'd think he would take slight pay decrease for 1st team football somewhere.

16 May 2024 06:08:37
They need replacing and at what cost?

Doesn't help the figures for 23/ 24 which end 30th June this year.

16 May 2024 19:14:21
It does if we sell before then.

15 May 2024 08:29:33
Just a thought, so sorry if this is a stupid question, But if we are being hung out to dry on these loans that have to be paid back before a certain time, can't our owner use his own money as a loan on a zero pay back option, Everton still have to pay him back, no intrest or a lot lower , its his money and his club, or is there some ruling this cannot happen.

15 May 2024 08:45:03
Sounds fair too sensible that BluePasty mate.

15 May 2024 09:30:08
Don’t think he’s got any money mate. He’s a billionaire due to investments he owns in companies. Apparently.

15 May 2024 14:12:21
Think his money disappeared with Usmanov. Since the invasion he's not put anything forward. He can't publicly say this of course.

15 May 2024 14:20:20
People don't have money just sitting in the bank. It'll be invested in all sorts of places. Moshiri has already invested a lot of his own money into the club and in it's current state would be stupid to put more in when he is selling it.

I would prefer he sticks with the club than 777 and just let the right people run it. In two years and with little or less drama possibly, he could get the value he holds it at or at least better equipped people looking at it as an investment.

15 May 2024 16:19:57
Does he shop at Aldi now?

15 May 2024 17:02:11
Nowt wrong with Aldi Nick, do a lovely selection of yogurts. 👌.

16 May 2024 06:39:56
Look at the accounts

The club has a interest free loan out from Blue Sky Holdings, one of Moshiri's companies of £450m. Repayment date has not been fixed and I don't think they are secured against any assets of the club. I think this was an increase of approx 80m from previous year

Moshiri could, in theory, provide more but his heart isn't in the club, so I doubt he is willing to put in more when he is already facing losing hundreds of millions in selling the club. Personally I have little sympathy in his losses, the fool and his money are soon parted

The fact it leaves us in a hole does worry me.

15 May 2024 08:13:23
Interesting debate over spurs fans wanting to lose so Arsenal don't win the title. I'm curious, if we played Manchester United if they're running for the title and beating them could hand the title to Liverpool, would you hope Everton lose?

15 May 2024 08:44:22
I would want Everton to win every time TomTom. Just the taste of defeat wouldn't taste as bitter.

15 May 2024 09:31:25
Never. Only want us to win. What happens around that I couldn’t care less.

15 May 2024 10:19:13
Yeh me too. Always want us to win!

15 May 2024 11:25:36
Always a win mate.

15 May 2024 13:13:06
It's the jobs of other clubs to do your club a "favour" and often we all joke that for "tonight I'll be rooting for ****" but to go against your own club at anytime is not right. They could have still qualified for CL . Embarrassing stuff and I hope it was only the casual fans who don't really count but I suspect it. was wide spread.

15 May 2024 18:35:29
If it was us, I'd route for the win and then remind them we won them the title😜.

16 May 2024 10:37:39
Always the win, I couldn't care less about other teams.

15 May 2024 07:39:09
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13 May 2024 19:40:16
It was obvious that 777, were never anywhere near passing the test of being fit and proper persons to run a premier league football club, and had they done their job, F/ M Would have had to look for an alternative buyer, long ago.
So yes, our problems are of our own creation, but had the premium league done their job, this current crisis situation would never have arisen.
They are part of the problem and should be making a better fist of being part of the solution.

14 May 2024 03:46:18
They are doing their job.

14 May 2024 07:41:13
Also I am pretty sure they passed the fit and proper owners test - it's proof of funds that is the problem.

14 May 2024 10:48:25
Got to wonder how they passed that given their track record with other clubs.

14 May 2024 11:38:05
It's not the EPLs job to decide who FM sells the club to, it's their job to make sure the buyers are responsible and and competent enough to run a huge institution, they've done right by all us Evertonians in establishing that these 777 charlatans are most undesirable custodians of the club.