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28 May 2024 15:32:34
This Phillips rumour is clearly a non-starter, where on earth would we find the money from to cover his wages? He's on £150k per week, we don't have that do we?
Maybe SD can pull of a blinder and suggest that City cover his wages in return Everton won't mention the 100+ charges of financial wrongdoing.
1.) 28 May 2024 21:11:12
How can a team afford to have players on £150k a week on the bench or as squad players? We are never going to be able to compete with that!
2.) 28 May 2024 23:38:19
I think you’d find it would be a percentage of his wages and I’d definitely take him, he’d work well in Dyche system.
3.) 29 May 2024 12:08:43
I really don't understand the hype about this lad and never have.
4 seasons in the PL. 1 goal and 3 assists. Everyone who rates him, raves about his passing, so you would expect the assists to be a little higher, surely. I know he is a DM but look at the numbers some other lads put up in the same position.
Rice - 22
Rodri - 20
I understand they are the top DM's, so here are some lesser names and some have hit these numbers over less seasons.
Bruno G - 14 (in 2 seasons)
Douglas Luiz - 17
JWP - 23
Gallagher - 17
Soucek - 9
Jensen - 12
Norgaard - 11
We already have bad luck with injuries and this lad is another made of paper. His professionalism has been called into question by Pep, as he was seen as overweight when he couldn't get into the City team.
Moyes and Dyche aren't worlds apart in their styles and he couldn't even get into West Ham's 11.
Man City would probably cover 50% of his wages and that would still sit him on 75k a week.
He would represent another terrible signing imo and would be a case of not learning our lessons again. There are much better options out there that are cheaper, more reliable and come with way less risk of hitting the ground running.
4.) 29 May 2024 14:20:39
To be devil's advocate. He strikes me as one of those players who is on his own baffling to most and uninteresting in every (sorry SD speak) metric but makes those around him shine. Stats can be a load of old tosh to the water carriers. The guy made Leeds click made England click for a while and scored a massive move to the worlds No1 club at the request of Pep G! . Not sure how he's not good enough for a relegation club like us all of a sudden. Sure he's had a bad loan at Wham but long injury and then added to no football for best part of a year it's not really surprising he didn't shine in a few starts and some sub appearances. He was also notably fat. If we can get him cheap cheap cheap and City sub most of his wage then I'd have him in a flash. Could be a clever move by city to find him a team where the squad is thin and he will get minutes and a lot of minutes to find some form to boost his resale value and help get some of the £45m back. At the moment he's barely worth £10. A fit Philips is a good replacement for Onana/ Gomes. Oh and he shares stats with em too for those of you that like that sort of thing.
5.) 29 May 2024 16:53:48
All fair points mate. It's not that I don't think he is good enough for us. I just think that given our current restrictions in the market we can ill afford another big/ biggish name to come in and not deliver. The fact that he let himself get overweight when he is a professional athlete at arguably the best club in the world screams all the wrong things. It is integral that we get our loan spots right this season and avoid another Danjuma type.
I think at least some part of the City move may have had something to do with the fact he ticked the homegrown box and they were thin on the ground in that position at the time having lost Fernandinho.
Personally I would rather avoid the uncertainty over whether he can recapture the form that made City go after him and go after Ndidi with instead. He wouldn't cost a penny in terms of a fee. He is still a good age. He has much more experience in the league than Phillips. Always posted cracking numbers defensively, some seasons out performing Gana. Seems to have picked up attacking numbers this season just gone, albeit in a lesser league but it can't be underestimated the added confidence this will give him moving forward.
It is much easier to get a solid player in the CDM position than the attacking positions. I think using a loan on the attacking mid or wide player is wise, as those players come at a premium, at least the ones that can make a difference to the team. Trying to get somebody that is surplus to requirements at one of the bigger sides on loan is a better bet for me.
{Ed025's Note - if KP was on a free and he would play for £10 a week i would still say no, bloody awful player..
6.) 30 May 2024 11:52:23
Think we would be signing another Delle Alli for me. To much to young, hyped as the next big thing for England and believed all the hype.
24 Jun 2023 18:33:37
We seem to be getting linked with the entire Leeds' squad. Probably just lazy journalism with the latest being Rodrigo. Ok so he scored a bit but he's 32 and on £100kp/ w. Surely surely this cannot be true. Have we learnt nothing?
1.) 24 Jun 2023 19:42:58
Rodrigo and gnoto being heavily linked today.
If Rodrigo does have a £3m release fee then may not be a bad purchase.
Gnoto looks like could be a very good player but think I saw something that said he would cost £20m+ so can’t see that one happening unless we move someone on.
2.) 24 Jun 2023 19:58:13
Rodrigo would be good at that price mate.
3.) 24 Jun 2023 20:21:19
Didn’t realise it was £3m. That’s good money actually.
4.) 25 Jun 2023 10:04:32
So pay a 32 year old 100k a week, with absolutely no sell on value? Haven’t we been down this road before?
5.) 25 Jun 2023 12:57:48
This was my original point. £3m isn’t excessive but £100k p/ w for a 32 year old looking for a final payday?
6.) 25 Jun 2023 15:41:21
Agree it seems crazy wages, especially at his age. Is that what he's on now? Surely other clubs won't offer that? But even if it was that. if you said 2 year contract at 100k a week with a £3m purchase that'd mean it's cost us £13m for the whole deal - not terrible value!
7.) 26 Jun 2023 07:38:04
If 13m is the eventual final figure, and he get us double figures each season, then that wouldn't be a waste of money. There are better players out there but we are in a pretty rubbish situation at the moment, so just get us someone who gets us goals. We miss/ need that so much.
8.) 28 Jun 2023 11:49:27
No sell on value? look at our history with players with sell on value, Siggy, Mina, Bolasie, Besic. think he'd be a good budget signing but more of a wide forward than a CF. Don't think Gnoto is worth it and he's def a winger.
05 Jun 2023 19:23:44
Hi Eds, with Ainsley Maitland-Niles being available on a free, do you think Everton will make an offer for him?
{Ed002's Note - Ainsley Maitland-Niles (RM/CM/RWB) Out of contract with agent offering him around - may look to the continent with no EPL interest right now. Perhaps a promoted side?}
1.) 05 Jun 2023 20:22:06
Cheers Ed.
14 May 2023 13:02:14
HOLGATE!
27 Aug 2022 10:15:19
Hi Eds, is there any news on more outgoings? Still think we could do with shifting a few more.
{Ed002's Note - Possibly:
Allan (CM/DM) The player has shared a desire to return to Italy and Everton are looking at options for midfield and have a couple of players in mind. The sale of Allen would depend on the price which is falling away and clubs accepting a player whois 31. It might be tough to find a buyer. Given he is in to his 30s he will become harder to sell. Being offered around - Roma and Lazio could be interested.
Andre Gomes (CM) Roma or Sevilla may offer a viable way out of Everton for Gomes. Mr Mourinho is a long-time admirer. Everton are open to a sale but neither side would want to pay too much. Rome had offered Gonzalo Villa and some cash but that went nowhere. It will be a case of finding an acceptable offer.
Anthony Gordon (LW) Everton will resist a sale but will see interest from Spurs and Newcastle. On a long list of wide options for Chelsea as he is liked by the coach. Agent could offer him to Crystal Palace as a long term Zaha replacement - he has a very good relationship with them but CP will look to extend his contract.}
1.) 27 Aug 2022 11:09:16
Cheers Ed. Hopefully we can get Gomes and Allan off the wage bill and get some cash too!
2.) 27 Aug 2022 11:59:58
Offer Gordon to Palace? Is he that keen to get out?
3.) 27 Aug 2022 17:05:51
Isn't any offer and acceptable offer for gomes? I'd let him go on a free. I'd probably let Allan go on a free as well or an extremely low offer. Better than paying his wages for another season him playing a bit part then leaving on a free anyway.
4.) 27 Aug 2022 18:17:35
I think Alan offers grit and bite when we need to be more feisty. Our record is sign someone then they get injured. Gomez JGB offered nothing. Keep Alan unless we get a few quid proper. Saying that Alan must have had a falling out with Frank. He's fit? Davies getting all the game time he's much much better than Davies.
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26 Jul 2024 14:52:09
If Lindstrøm has a great season can Napoli pull out of the deal or do they have to accept Everton’s €22.5m offer? Can another club can in with an offer and gazump Everton? Also could Everton then sell him immediately for more, say €40m?
1.) 26 Jul 2024 16:38:16
Let’s just see how he settles first. Could be rubbish; could set the world on fire. I’m expecting neither - just a solid season with a handful of goals and twice as many assists.
2.) 26 Jul 2024 16:56:39
I like the look of him tbh. Even he doesn’t put up top numbers he is a tidy and technical player who can keep hold of the ball well.
I think he is better than what we already have at our disposal by a long way.
Great that he can cover multiple positions and fit into multiple formations. Same with Ndiaye.
Options are something we have not had recently.
3.) 26 Jul 2024 17:27:52
Thing is we’ve not got two right footed (Lindstrøm and Ndiaye) and two left footed (McNeil and Harrison) attacking midfielders, which gives us plenty of options. Clearly didn’t work having McNeil and Harrison both as wide players in the same team, we needed some balance.
4.) 26 Jul 2024 18:27:10
Here is hoping the focus is back on supplying DCL (Beto) with chances like Ancelotti did. Then just need to pray they can finishe them this season.
23 Jul 2024 23:19:34
With Lindstrom coming in on loan I guess that mean Phillips won't be joining Everton this summer.
1.) 24 Jul 2024 07:23:58
Heard yesterday on talkspprt that the Harrison deal was a obligation to buy next summer for £11 million, not sure how true that is as not read or heard that before.
And potentially the Lundstrum deal could be obligation. So Phillips may well happen still swinners.
2.) 24 Jul 2024 08:05:52
For £11m, I could possibly get behind that. If we could get him on his favoured wing, he might start banging in a few.
3.) 24 Jul 2024 12:09:44
none of the above matters in terms of Phillips
because Lindstrom is a loan, why does that impact a potential loan deal for Phillips?
also an obligation for loan doesn't affect other loans, it's still a loan obligation or not?
not sure why signing a winger/ AM on loan would affect clubs approach for a CM/ DM on loan?
4.) 24 Jul 2024 13:01:40
It very matters WBlue as a obligation to buy would allow us to loan another, a option to buy is different as deemed as a loan.
5.) 24 Jul 2024 13:27:52
Premier League clubs are restricted to 2 loans. An obligation to buy does not count as a loan deal.
6.) 24 Jul 2024 14:36:45
people get this wrong every summer, the wording on the premier league website is awful
obligations to buy are still treated as loan deals, otherwise they wouldn't be called loan to buy
premier league clubs are allowed FOUR loans per season, but only TWO are allowed to be from domestic sides
EFC can still loan 2 more.
even go back to 13/ 14 as an example. none were loan to buy but we loaned Lukaku/ Barry/ Deulofeu/ Traore
2 domestic 2 foreign.
7.) 24 Jul 2024 15:00:59
The rules on loans changed a couple of seasons ago WBlue I believe.
Very confusing I agree, not sure if am right but that's my understanding.
Only 2 at any given time and maximum 4 in a season.
Obligation to buys don't class as a normal loan is my understanding, might be wrong.
8.) 24 Jul 2024 15:37:26
even the wording doesn't make sense though, only 2 at a given time and max of 4 per season.
burnley had more than 2 last season too, trust me it's 2 domestic max, 4 max overall
obligations to buy still class as a loan as it;s still classed as a loan that you've got him for, as Lindstrom will still be officially a Napoli player for 24/ 25 even if it was an obligation, he'd just be on loan at EFC until the obligation kicked in next summer
like Moise Kean was still our player whilst on loan at Juve even though it was an obligation.
9.) 24 Jul 2024 15:49:35
Not sure 100% either way WBlue mate. But am of the understanding it's 2 in only at any given time hense why we only had Danjuma and Harrison last season and couldn't get anyone else in even with the thin squad we had, and also again my understanding is the obligation to buy is different to a standard loan
Sure we will find out soon enough.
Think talkspprt might be getting confused to as said the Harrison loan was a obligation to buy next summer for £11 million, but just read Everton may look to purchase him this summer for £11million, that maybe is to create a loan space, perhaps Phillips.
Seems the Lundstrum deal is a option and not a obligation so deemed a loan, my understanding anyway.
10.) 24 Jul 2024 16:19:42
You do make a valid point on Burnley WBlue so perhaps you are correct.
Does make you wonder tho why for last 2 seasons we haven't maximised it if is as you say.
11.) 24 Jul 2024 13:46:15
Wblue2 all to do with the amount of loans a club can have at any one time.
Think it’s 2 at any one time but can be up to 4 over the season - however that may alter if there are obligations to buy in the deal?
Sure Ed002 has gone over this previously as it can get quite confusing.
12.) 24 Jul 2024 15:42:16
I believe Ed002 summed it up well the other year when Tottenham seemed to loan more players than allowed as some had obligations to buy which was basically just a permanent signing just delayed
Loans are just a pure loan with no set agreement to purchase.
13.) 24 Jul 2024 17:18:45
What I thought chaps, but he does make a valid point on Burnley,
They had Fofana, Assisnon, Larsen, Esteve all on loan at the same time, none of which are obligated to buy and all returned to parent clubs.
What's even more confusing is 1 was Domestic Fofana Chelsea) other 3 were from European leagues, assignon Rennes and Esteve Montpellier with Larsen from Hoffenheim) which contradicts the written rule and explanation given.
All very confusing as per usual and no clarity.
Sorry WBlue you may well be correct but still unsure this end?.
14.) 24 Jul 2024 17:27:09
Sorry my mistake Esteve has since joined Burnley permanently but wasn't a obligation apparently.
Further confusing is Assignon, Fofana and Esteve all signed on loan for Burnley in the January transfer window ending on Feb 1st.
Larsen joined on loan July 2023.
Now am very confused! ??.
15.) 24 Jul 2024 21:11:11
I thought you had to pass Go, collect a community chest token where it’s your birthday then but up two stations and The Strand. Only then can you pick up from the ‘chance’ deck and if it says you are allowed to loan a player, you can…
Let’s just leave the club to sort out what they can. I’m sure they will do everything they can to maximise the squad so try not to get bogged down in reading the fine print of the monopoly rules and just hope we can get in some players to help improve the team.
16.) 25 Jul 2024 08:19:31
there's loads of factors, but it's 1000% more than 2 trust me, i've asked people in the past who work in the recruitment game
not sure what the max is, and maybe i'm wrong on the obligation side
but yeah it's more than 2.
why it was slightly frustrating last year seeing us only use 2.
19 Jul 2024 11:13:33
What on earth is going on! Friedkin has now pulled out. We must be in a dreadful mess.
13 Jul 2024 17:36:29
It is odd that it is only Villa in for Onana. I was hoping that there might be others in for him, Arsenal and Man Utd for example, which would possibly drive his price up. I hope Everton have a good clause in the contract as I think he will be off again within a couple of years and having a nice share of the pie would be good.
1.) 13 Jul 2024 23:37:14
How do we know they weren’t?
2.) 14 Jul 2024 00:43:57
Maybe they have alternative targets? I think Onana is quality but still raw maybe going to Villa is a good move for him, see how he does
In the champions league involved in a team massively on the up. Compared to us who are stuck in a rut playing long ball missing the midfield out completely. Just look how well he played for Belgium during the euros for me, was there stand out player. Would be a great signing for most champions league sides. Will go on to be a top quality player so a sell on clause is massive for us in my opinion. Hope he thrives there just not against us. Very very good young raw player.
3.) 14 Jul 2024 03:07:23
Did you watch belgium ?? jim onana was awful pass back pass back omg the guy is 22 how old is mainoo 19 He isn't a prospect at that age your world class or not. That's my opinion anyway.
4.) 14 Jul 2024 07:04:03
Have to disagree Ron. Thought Onana shone in a underwhelming Belgium side.
5.) 14 Jul 2024 10:01:53
Pogba mark two.
6.) 14 Jul 2024 11:04:30
Whilst Onana may go on to be world class, he definitely hasn’t done enough with us to think that’s actually going to happen.
Cant remember a single game he shone in and took control of the midfield. Clearly wanted out and amazed we got £50m for him based on his performances for us.
{Ed025's Note - i dont think he suits the Premier League Dan, his style to me is more suited to continental football where you have more time on the ball mate, he comes across as a bit lazy to me....saying that he will probably run the show at villa and prove us all wrong.. :)
09 Jul 2024 10:40:19
Looks like we're getting Philogene. £16m too. Well done Everton, really good signing and good business.
1.) 09 Jul 2024 13:35:37
Not seen anything confirmed on this yet mate. But hope you are right.
2.) 09 Jul 2024 13:43:34
Wouldn't bank on this Many other club websites saying they are favourites Looks like his agent is playing the game.
27 Jul 2024 00:21:25
Cheers Ed25, I thought it was an odd one at the time.
26 Jul 2024 22:48:13
What about Arthur Melo? Lots of chat earlier in the window about him.
{Ed025's Note - i dont think he is even on the radar Swinners..
26 Jul 2024 01:05:11
So should we believe Usminov has the final say in any takeover?
{Ed025's Note - if it is his money Swinners then yes im sure he would have a say, he who pays the piper calls the tune i would say mate..
22 Jul 2024 17:13:20
Lots of risk there I feel. I would love Phillips to come in and find the form that he had a few years ago. He seems a Dyche type player so hopefully he could get him playing well again. I don’t know enough about the two, but hopefully the improve the squad. Need some fullbacks though and a centre back, at the moment Holgate and Keane are our back ups and Tarks is injured. /.
21 Jul 2024 22:20:53
GB, I think it means Moshiri wanted more money that Freidkin was willing to pay.
26 Jul 2024 17:27:52
Thing is we’ve not got two right footed (Lindstrøm and Ndiaye) and two left footed (McNeil and Harrison) attacking midfielders, which gives us plenty of options. Clearly didn’t work having McNeil and Harrison both as wide players in the same team, we needed some balance.
26 Jul 2024 01:07:55
I agree meet him half way, give him a pay rise but make sure it’s a longer deal. Possibly stick in a minimum fee release clause?
23 Jul 2024 16:30:05
Can’t we now put the Arteta money to good use?
23 Jul 2024 08:46:05
Cheers for that New London Blue. I’m a huge Quins’ fan too, so that was a great watch.
22 Jul 2024 18:09:54
Wages are massive but if we can get a good deal, maybe loan at first then I’d say it’s worth it.