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28 Jun 2022 20:01:08
We’ll think that’s our chance of Chelsea bidding for Richarlison gone.

Looks like agreed a £60m deal with Leeds for raphina.

Gingerdan

1.) 29 Jun 2022 07:34:12
Just means he’s off to Spurs.


 

 

18 Jun 2022 16:35:43
Interesting update from Fabrizio Romano -
Manchester City are prepared to let Oleksandr Zinchenko leave as they are targeting Marc Cucurella, with an official bid coming soon - decision was made in May ? #MCFC

Zinchenko can be sold and Everton have his name in the list as one of the main targets. Other clubs also keen.

Gingerdan

1.) 19 Jun 2022 11:20:58
That would be a great signing in my opinion. Just what our midfield needs.


2.) 22 Jun 2022 10:32:05
He would be perfect. Can't see him wanting to come to us though.


 

 

17 Jun 2022 16:05:28
So if latest rumours are to be believed Richarlison is off to Chelsea in a deal worth £50m+ and we’re going to sign Dennis from Watford for £20m as his replacement.

Highly unlikely I imagine, however if was to happen would be fairly happy with that.

Chelsea may use a player we want in the deal and think Dennis would be a good addition for us.

Gingerdan

1.) 17 Jun 2022 16:43:51
Giving up on the idea of 75 mill value then? FFP strikes as I predicted (if true) . To be honest would rather keep him. Would be looking at our upcoming Championship fixtures without him.


2.) 17 Jun 2022 17:14:14
Don’t forget we are enquiring about Dwight McNeil and every other player that’s available, going to be a long wait to then end of this window mate.


3.) 17 Jun 2022 17:17:55
Yeah agree dan with that think dennis the menace would be a good buy if he was availible and wanted to join us like.


4.) 17 Jun 2022 18:15:09
I think if true and a player was thrown in by Chelsea, then I'd say young Billy Gilmour probably. I'd prefer Sarr over Dennis though from Watford.


5.) 17 Jun 2022 19:09:43
Dare much better than Dennis. Don’t want McNeil he is absolute garbage. Pretty sure he didn’t score or assist last season and they would want £20m+ for him. We have enough bad players!


6.) 17 Jun 2022 19:50:46
We’re being link with anyone on a free or from a relegated club, which is depressing, but there’s no money. Need to move players on first.


 

 

11 Jun 2022 14:11:35
Lots of rumours currently circulating saying Richarlison in advanced talks to join Spurs.

Any idea if true?

Thought he wanted to leave us to win things so spurs seems a strange choice. Also seems a lot for spurs to pay on a player and not a lot for us to receive.

Gingerdan

{Ed002's Note - Richarlison (F) Wants his new agent to find him a Champions League club. Prior PSG interest will have gone. Will be offered to Real Madrid and Manchester United - but finding a new club may not be that easy. Spurs may offer an option. Could be priced out of a move.}


1.) 11 Jun 2022 14:38:15
Cheers Ed appreciate the reply.
So potentially this rumour has legs to it.
With you saying he may be priced out of a move - would the possibility of Winks being involved with any deal with spurs be an option?

{Ed002's Note - It may be possible.}


2.) 11 Jun 2022 14:49:44
Can’t see Levee parting with £51 million for Ricky, think Italy or Spain would be more likely.


3.) 11 Jun 2022 14:53:28
I really don’t like spurs an would rather Richarlison go
Abroad or in swap deal with Chelsea Broja/ Gallagher!

{Ed002's Note - Obviously such a swap deal is never going to happen.}


4.) 11 Jun 2022 15:10:17
Would have hoped we’d be looking for more than the £51m being bandied about. Particularly when look at Liverpool about to spend close to €100m with add ins for a player unproven in premier league.

Our best player last season.
Proven in the league.
2 years left on contract.
Full Brazilian international.

Can’t see us getting a replacement for that price so hoping either Winks or Berjwin involved in deal.

However knowing us we’ll get £10m and levy will write off the fee for alli ?‍♂️.


5.) 11 Jun 2022 16:15:59
So we bought him at 31 for 35m. He’s now an established Brazilian player at 25, and we’re asking 50m?
Not much of a mark up really.


6.) 11 Jun 2022 17:07:47
Especially now he's 5 years younger.


7.) 11 Jun 2022 17:15:15
Best players the ones that get younger ?.


8.) 11 Jun 2022 17:24:30
If Richarlison goes for £51 Million, will Merson blame Spurs for ruining the transfer window, very much doubt it, never heard the guy go on one, when City paid a large amount for Grealish.


9.) 11 Jun 2022 17:49:15
How would £51m for a rival premier league teams best player who is proven in the league only 25 and a full Brazilian international be ruining the transfer window?
It would be a bargain!


10.) 11 Jun 2022 20:18:14
I know I know fat fingers. You guys?.


11.) 11 Jun 2022 23:33:00
Merson will be accusing us of ruining the transfer window again if that happens.


12.) 12 Jun 2022 03:58:10
Richarlison can go with our blessing.
If we’d managed our club effectively in the last few years we could keep him.
If we recoup £51 in the current market, that would be amazing business. We can’t afford luxury players now, take top dollar and invest wisely.


 

 

11 Jun 2022 09:29:45
I understand swap deals rarely happen in football but was wondering how often or how likely players are used as makeweights in deals?

Just wondering as not saying these will happen but with Richarlison linked with Chelsea and branthwaite linked to Man City whether money and players could be involved if were to happen?

Gingerdan

1.) 11 Jun 2022 10:47:54
Pressed send too soon.

With our finances in a mess would it be something we’d look to do to try and maximise sales and returns?

For instance could Richarlison to Chelsea be cash plus a player back to us? (Loftus-cheek, batshuyai, Gallagher, Broja, Colwill or gilmour etc)

Branthwaite to Man City be used in a deal for Zinchenko with us paying some cash on top?

Again not expecting these to happen. Just wondering how likely these type of deals are?

{Ed002's Note - They are not going to happen.}


2.) 11 Jun 2022 11:01:34
Cheers Ed wasn’t expecting them to happen but was wondering if player plus cash deals are something that do happen?

{Ed002's Note - They happen pretty regularly.}


3.) 11 Jun 2022 11:12:07
I think the club would be looking for sales only to try and help with our FFP issues.


4.) 11 Jun 2022 13:33:47
No they won't.
They have just dumped 300k off the wage bill. They will have some movement in the window.


5.) 11 Jun 2022 18:54:18
That's 15 million of the wages per year. Where is the movement Brassington?
45 Mill over the 3 rolling p/ s years but we still lost 200mill minus the 170 afforded to C.V.
Continuing to replace some of that 300k isn't going to help us. We need to get rid of that and more.
Get the wages down from 85% of the revenue without adding to it might help.


6.) 12 Jun 2022 04:00:22
We got rid of some last year, and more this year. We’ll sign players, just not on £100k+ a year.


 

 

 

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20 Jun 2022 17:25:35
So what do we think of the new appointments?

Paul Tait moved from under 18s to under 23s coach

Leighton Baines new under 18s coach.

Gareth Prosser appointed new academy director.

Thought we had done a strategic review and we’re going to be moving away from the jobs for the boys mentality and looking far and wide to recruit?

Baines and Tait already at club and Prosser previously worked under Thelwell at wolves.

Really hope been appointed on merit and not just because of their connections.

Gingerdan

1.) 20 Jun 2022 19:33:15
Definitely good to see we need new blood at Everton hope they do well, on another note I see Zinchenko is being linked quite heavily with us again he would do well I reckon mate.


2.) 20 Jun 2022 19:3 7:22
If they are good enough for the job then that is all that really matters mate.
From what I've read today, Prosser has experience in the role at Wolves with impressive results. They may have worked together before but isn't that why these people develop contacts within the industry? At least they know how the other operates professionally.
It will be interesting to see how Baines gets on in his role, he's well thought of in a coaching capacity.


3.) 21 Jun 2022 08:50:12
'jobs for the boys' is a terminology meant when employing someone when they probably aren't suited to the job role that they've picked up and got the role through previous affiliation with Everton Football Club.

the argument is there for Baines, agreed.
Prosser has success in this role at Wolves, just because you've worked with someone before doesn't class it as 'jobs for the boys'
Gareth Prosser;
Currently a general manager at Professional Game Academy AuditCo which conducts the independent auditing process for academies on behalf of the Premier League, EFL and FA, Prosser is highly regarded in the game.

He was involved in the Elite Player Performance Plan development at Wolves, resulting in their academy achieving Category One status in 2012 and retaining it four years later. At the time, Wolves were one of only six Category One academies to achieve an unconditional three-year licence.

Under Prosser and Thelwell's watch, Wolves were also at one stage ranked as the third-best academy in the country.


4.) 21 Jun 2022 09:49:55
If someone is qualified, highly rated, and has a link to the club, that’s a winning combo, surely?


5.) 21 Jun 2022 10:37:18
Interesting to see above comments when so many (not saying those who have replied were) had been moaning about jobs for the boys mentality we had and how Ferguson and Unsworth needed to move on as part of the problem at the club.

Yet we’ve now appointed 2 jobs with people already at club and another one to somebody well known by Thelwell, just doesn’t appear net was cast far and wide in recruitment process.

Just hope we’re not repeating same mistakes from previous appointments.


6.) 21 Jun 2022 12:07:14
Apparently both Tait and Baines were both part of the recruitment process and believed they were the best applicants. Both had been part of the U18 setup as head coach and assistant. The U18 have consistently had players move into the U23 on ability rather than age so they must have been doing a reasonable job at U18 level I don't personally see either appointment as an issue. To me its a career progression path within the club. If they don't perform then I would expect then to be replaced.


7.) 21 Jun 2022 12:21:08
This jobs for the boys stuff is cr*p. Paul Tait has done very well at U18 level so surely deserves a go at U23s. Baines must be a good fit/ coach as the top brass have said its getting overhaul, so he looks to be best man for job. Time will tell. Prosser. Nothing to do with Everton before being hired so don't understand the 'jobs for boys' being bandied about for him. Changes made yet still can't please people.


8.) 21 Jun 2022 12:53:01
Funny progression let's take baines as an example, 1 of if not the best left backs in our team retires, "let's hope he becomes a coach passes on his experience" mainly to young players who grew up watching him, a few years later "oh god this teams awful its all this Jobs for the boys malarkey"
If a player we idolised isn't good enough who is?


9.) 21 Jun 2022 13:01:48
Just asking opinions, not much movement on transfer front so thought discuss these appointments.

Nothing to say I’m not happy just it’s quite interesting as so many called for Ferguson to go and unsworth to go who were appointed from within yet no one seems bothered about these appointments of people from within the club.

They may be great appointments, time will tell.

However it just seems that we’re continuing previous trends of appointing from within and look where that got us. Unsworth under 23s winning title but with virtually no players able to step up to first team.

Prosser could be just what we need, just hope it doesn’t turn out like all our previous efforts at trying to bring successful people to the club and it going horribly wrong - Steve Walsh in particular.

Let’s hope it was a strategic review and that these appointments made on merit as that would show we’re finally moving forward as a club. Rather than the strategic review being an exercise in lip service.


10.) 21 Jun 2022 18:50:39
There's still an argument to say Steve Walsh made more good additions than bad. 2 of his buys are still in our first team. One has tripled in value and the other is worth 50 times more. It's the owners buys that didn't do so well.
Not banging the drum for him but he did make some shrewd buys.


11.) 21 Jun 2022 20:44:24
Walsh was an expensive mistake. He wasted around 200m and you're championing him because 2 of those players are still here? Madness mate.


12.) 21 Jun 2022 21:37:09
What’s been said about being suited from the role hits the nail on the head for me. If they are good enough and they are employed in the right roles then that’s all we can ask. If they aren’t successful, give them the right support. If that doesn’t work, they need to be replaced - just don’t stick them on stupid contracts in case it doesn’t work out. Same with the players. If they are successful, extend the contracts.

The thing with Dunc is he’s been the major consistency around the first team for the last few seasons. If he is doing a good job, it’s not translating onto the pitch. I’d like to see him go out and get more experience and see if he can cut it elsewhere. As for Rhino, it’s strange the success hasn’t followed with the U21s though there are a few youngsters around the first squad. The managers may be responsible for not giving them a chance more than Unsworth not doing his job.

From my experience of coaching and teaching, those who are exceptional at something aren’t always the best at passing it on to others.


13.) 22 Jun 2022 15:25:37
Not championing him as such Blupotato if you read my post properly and no he didn't blow 200mill.
It's obvious who he wanted, who Koeman wanted, who Moshiri wanted and the one Bill wanted.
My point is we have around 100million in two players who were Walshs purchases as was Gana and Lookman who we both made a profit on.
Walsh wasn't the biggest problem at that time and the fact we have continued to make the same mistakes since he left shows us who was the main problem.
So no I'm not championing him just pointing out that he wasn't as big a disaster as people would have you believe.


14.) 23 Jun 2022 03:32:08
I'd say he just got lucky, Smit. How many good players did he bring in out of the 23 signed by him? He spent around 250m didn't he? If he only bought 5 good players in out of 23, and for that amount, then surely that is the majority of that cash wasted?


15.) 23 Jun 2022 18:19:32
It's common knowledge he wasn't responsible for all the purchases, the same as Brands. Moshiri wants a player, goes and gets him.
Walsh wanted to walk away from the Siggy deal when Swansea wanted to up the price. Bill signed Rooney. Martina and Schneiserlin was Koemans at Southampton.
Vlasic and Klassen weren't given a fair shot buy we made money on Vlasic. Onyekuru we sold for more than we signed him for.
Michael Keane has been in this squad for 5 years so for 26mill I'd say he's done ok.
Pickford 26mill you'd have to spend 50-60 to sign him now.
Tosun wad Moshiris after seeing him play in Monaco. Walcotts was fat Sams.


16.) 23 Jun 2022 18:38:22
Not really common knowledge mate, nobody has had a clue what's been going on at boardroom level and is the reason why FM has been given stick by fans.
The Walsh era, no matter how it's spun, wasted near to 250m. He was the man in charge of buying so the buck stops with him. Same for Brands. If they weren't being allowed to do their jobs then they could have resigned.
Are you classing every player you mentioned in your last post as good players? Some of them were absolutely shocking mate!


17.) 24 Jun 2022 20:18:24
I am close enough to the club to know a little bit about how and by whom the money has been spent Bluepotato. You read what is in the papers and spin it however you want. I've said my bit and you can listen or read the papers it's up to you.


 

 

05 Jun 2022 17:26:52
Ruben Loftus Cheek reportedly available for £17m - would be an upgrade on what we currently have available in that position. Rumoured Frank Lampard is a fan and he gave him quite a lot of minutes under him when manager of Chelsea.

Think he’d be a good addition for us. Any of the Ed’s know if we’re interested?

Gingerdan

1.) 05 Jun 2022 20:11:22
Players out first.


2.) 06 Jun 2022 00:30:02
Agree players out first should be the priority, but no harm in seeing who we may be interested in.

The issue we could have is as other clubs know we need to sell to help balance the books it puts us in a potentially weaker position when it comes to sales. Teams will rightly want the best deal possible and possibly not offer fees we want hoping we will accept just to help with the finances. They also may wait till as late in the window as possible to get their deals done knowing we need to make sales to help with finances.


3.) 05 Jun 2022 21:24:03
He'd fit right in as he's quite injury prone.
We need players who are going to play not keep the rest company in the treatment room.


 

 

04 Jun 2022 21:24:02
We all know we’re in a pickle with our financial situation so will have to be shrewd in the transfer market.

However with clubs only allowed 2 loan players who would you realistically like to see us get with those 2 loans? We can’t do another El Ghazi deal ?‍♂️

So far been linked with Gilmour, Gallagher, Broja, and Garner to name a few.

Also how do we feel about the loan market?

Great to get the players in but if they become an integral part of the team then can leave a void end of season.

Gingerdan

1.) 05 Jun 2022 06:49:29
I agree GD, we wasted a space with El Ghazi and personally I think VDB didn't turn out all that well after an initial bright spell

I'm not naming names but we need good young players from the big 6, this years Gallagher (who had already played well for West Brom the season before Crystal Palace) or Broja. They will be a lot cheaper than the Lingards or VDB's

The only position I might go for an older player is at the back. We desperately need a leader, an organiser who can tighten the defense and develop our younger players.


2.) 05 Jun 2022 09:15:15
Don’t think El Ghazi or VDB will be here next season,


3.) 05 Jun 2022 10:47:26
They won't be GB but I was just saying I didn't think they were good signings last season.


4.) 05 Jun 2022 11:29:09
It’ll be interesting to see who we get in on loan and at what point in window that happens.

If sign someone on loan early then get them involved in pre season and possibly beat other teams to their signature.

However go too early and you may miss out on a better player that becomes available later on in the window.

Just hope Frank and Thelwell decide on which 2 players they want and go for them.


5.) 05 Jun 2022 16:16:02
Is it not only 2 loans from same league. Thought you coils have more from other leagues.


6.) 05 Jun 2022 17:19:56
I was under the impression you could only have 2 loan players registered at any one time, regardless of league?


7.) 05 Jun 2022 18:44:37
Largely down to who is available to loan, not who we want.


8.) 06 Jun 2022 07:52:26
It's not 2 from every league but as well as 2 from EPL I think we're allowed 2 from Europe but Eds would have to confirm it.

{Ed002's Note - Premier League clubs may register no more than four loan players over a season and no more than two at any one time and a maximum of one from any other English or Welsh club.

They are:
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.


 

 

01 May 2022 23:39:31
Cracking result, however have seen it reported that Richarlison may face FA action over his returning the smoke flare back into the crowd and could possibly face a 3 match ban!

Best case scenario is apparently a fine and telling off.

Let’s hope it is just a fine as we need his performances for the last few games.

Gingerdan

1.) 02 May 2022 03:21:52
It's everton. He will get banned, fined and we will be deducted 10 points. I put I'd down to emotion that's all. Did a fan complain? I don't think they would of.


2.) 02 May 2022 08:03:47
I hear his defence is he was trying to throw it over the stand, to the church perhaps. Let’s hope they buy it! .


3.) 02 May 2022 08:46:16
As you said Dentie, It's Everton. Let's hope its just a fine!


4.) 02 May 2022 09:03:40
If you watch it he did throw it over the church wall, may be not meant but that's where it landed.


5.) 02 May 2022 09:10:50
Only reported by the rags, no substance to the report at all. Hoping it’ll just go away.


6.) 02 May 2022 09:30:30
No it won't, its Everton.


7.) 02 May 2022 10:35:03
The only time that I know of a player throwing pyrotechnics into the crowd was the young Liverpool player in a cup final. Ed 0666 might be able to tell us what the powers that be handed out as punishment? If he gets a ban then the club can complain yet again!

{Ed001's Note - that's not true, he never did any such thing, he just held it up and had his picture taken holding it.}


8.) 02 May 2022 10:43:26
It was a daft reacton after scoring, it was thrown towards the outside, the ref spoke to him about it so surely its classed as he dealt with it, var are probably still reviewing it, it got more coverage on motd than tge first half, but as normal its everton so we will be punished.


9.) 02 May 2022 10:50:53
I thought he threw it ed, that's why I asked for clarity from a red supporter. I thought he threw it and got a fine, my bad.

{Ed001's Note - no mate, he just waved it around in the air. Personally I think Richarlison should get nothing more than a ticking off, because it could have gone horribly wrong chucking it but he clearly meant to throw it where no one was. It was daft but nothing seriously bad imo. I would expect the FA to maybe give him a token fine and nothing more.}


10.) 02 May 2022 11:18:28
I'd like to hope so, ed001. Storm in a tea cup really but, as you say, it could have ended up a lot worse. A fine should be the worst case scenario. Cheers for clearing up my original comment ??.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think they can really let him off without risking the possibility of encouraging more flares being brought into grounds. I think bigger questions should be asked as to how they are getting into grounds so easily when they are supposed to be banned. A player chucking one that got onto the pitch into an empty space shouldn't really be the issue here.}


11.) 02 May 2022 11:59:55
Yeah I totally agree mate, it would be open season for fans to bring pyrotechnics to games and lob them on the pitch note often than we already see it happening. Personally, as a fan, I wouldn't want to run the risk of being refused entry to the ground because I had a flare in me pocket. Unless they search every fan at the turnstiles, which would be a logistical nightmare, some will still smuggle these things in. Mad people!


 

 

01 May 2022 14:13:40
Just noticed Tom Davies is named as a substitute- I thought he’d been taken out of the declared squad due to his injury so was ineligible to play for rest of season?

Seems strange that he’s on bench - would be typical Everton to get a result today but then get penalised for fielding an ineligible player!

Any of the Ed’s able to shed some light on his inclusion in squad?

Gingerdan

{Ed001's Note - I don't know anything of him not being in the squad for the season. As far as I know he was part of the squad when it was submitted.}


1.) 01 May 2022 14:56:51
Was originally left out due to his injury but when Gbamin left on loan was registered in the squad slot vacated.


2.) 01 May 2022 14:58:35
I think he was re-registered when Gbamin went to Russia.


3.) 01 May 2022 15:29:03
That makes sense - cheers.


 

 

 

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01 Jul 2022 21:26:30
Surely if you were selling anything you’d want the best offer?

Therefore is it any surprise that Moshiri is wanting to listen to other offers?

If the alleged 3 other offers aren’t to his liking I imagine if he does want to sell he’d go back to Kenton consortium but may have burnt that bridge.

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30 Jun 2022 09:41:26
Whilst I imagine we’re all a little disappointed with the fee for Richarlison, have had a chance to think about it.

Now it’s been known for quite sometime that he wanted to leave, however it’s only spurs that showed any real interest in him.

Does that suggest he’s not as good as we all think he is? If he was as good as we all think and was clearly available why did no other team make an offer?

Anyway he’s gone now, be interesting to see how he celebrates if he scored against us.

Hopefully we can use some of the money to strengthen the squad with players Frank wants.

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29 Jun 2022 21:31:33
1 goal and 4 assists in 88 games for us.

Doubt we’d be able to give him away.

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29 Jun 2022 19:37:20
Agree never been the same since his injury.
However cannot agree he was looking a decent acquisition before that - had about 1 decent game in 3. Another poor recruitment decision.

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29 Jun 2022 14:21:44
That would be good if we can move him on.

Was never great for us and even worse since he had the injury.

I previously saw mourinho and Roma were allegedly interested.

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01 Jul 2022 22:31:29
He joined Juventus on a 2yr loan deal with an obligation to buy at end of it.
That 2yr loan ends next season.

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01 Jul 2022 21:50:55
End of next season I believe.

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01 Jul 2022 16:43:16
Would not be on my list of players I’d want to sign.

But we all as fans have to realise how bad a situation we are in and that money is tight and free transfers and bargain basement buys is probably the way we will have to do business for the time being.

When you put into context, would you rather Lingard on a free or Dwight McNeil for £20m?

If getting lingard on a free means we can spend elsewhere then so be it.

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01 Jul 2022 10:33:14
Really good post Kingpin - right up until you mentioned Dwight McNeil ?‍♂️.

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30 Jun 2022 14:00:55
Sorry Chris, but quite hard to play Simms ahead of Rondon with simms being on loan at hearts at the time.

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