Everton Banter

25 Aug 2019 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 25th August 2019

24 Aug 2019 22:51:09
Last season we were worrying about how many goals we were conceding but Marco sorted it. This season there are worries over scoring. I am confident Marco will get it right.

25 Aug 2019 07:53:25
Looks like he favours a 4-3-3 system with Delph giving us a left footed player, will be interesting Smit mate . should give us more in attack Marco will sort it I am sure.

25 Aug 2019 09:31:51
Theres no doubting we will find the goals. There aren't really many personnel changes in that area from last season except a few additions. So it's just a matter of getting the forward line to sharpen up, find a rhythm and try the new guys to see what extra they can bring.

And if let's face it. If Keane was a bit sharper in the moment when we conceded the first goal, we might not be so down this weekend.

It will come. I'm sure of that.

COYB.

25 Aug 2019 10:45:33
Smit Siva is useless why van you not see it, there is no proof that he is cabable of managing in this league. I can only think he is a personal friend of yours. He should never have been appointed as manager.
Example, we got our best results when Gomez was injured yet we bought him back to the club, totally illogicakl he is a fool.

25 Aug 2019 12:52:44
Gomez slows the game down to much for me and Schneiderlin (when in the mood) is a better passer of the ball. Need the new lads including Delph into the line up from the start, maybe Lincoln could be the starting point. On Mr Silva, his first season didn't reach the heights of Koeman or Martinez. Not advocating yet but how long does he (Mr Silva) get and if whole season what position would be acceptable at season end?

25 Aug 2019 12:52:49
Don't agree to that at all dc if he was that useless I am sure that the powers that be would never had employed him in the first place we have to give the guy time, once Moise and Iwobi gets up to speed and Delph takes over from Gomes the goals will come, don't be so impatient, the last few games last season saw a marked improvement and Marco will have the rest covered for this years push on, he has my full support









Iwobi are up to speed the goals will comes.

25 Aug 2019 15:06:42
DC we all know your thoughts and that you wanted Allardyce to remain.
DFS Silva for me has to beat last seasons points tally by a good few, that way we see progress. I'm not going to pin a league position on it because many different factors are at play.
We could conceivably beat last seasons points total but finish 8th again. That would have to be seen as progress even though the league position doesn't suggest so.

25 Aug 2019 17:32:27
Dc, I know you are not a fan of Silva and steam roll the guy at every opportunity, that’s fair enough when called on, but it would be nice when we get a good result that you actually praise the guy, or is that asking too much.

I am not a fan of Lewin, whether he will be better with another striker alongside him who knows.

Personally I think Lewin is Championship at best, but will certainly praise the guy if he proves me wrong and starts scoring.

No matter what Silva achieves will never change your view on the guy.

You go in hiding when he gets results, then as soon as we lose, you cannot wait to say told you so.

I think it’s time to give Silva some slack.

25 Aug 2019 17:53:32
Can't speak for DC smit, but all I personnely pointed out about Alardyce was he delivers what it says on the can. He was given an 18 month contract - even though the Club apparently only wanted a 'saviour' till the end of the season -. He should have been allowed to see that contract out, there was no rush for Silva, I mean who else wanted him! 8th under Alardyce, 8th under Silva. My view currently, yardstick if you will, is see how we do against Wolves (played us off the park on our own ground) , this time around.

25 Aug 2019 17:57:18
Good post Bignev. Silva hasn't done anything to warrant him getting sacked and for fans to call for his head just shows a lack of understanding of the game in general.

25 Aug 2019 17:54:52
I have to agree with DC for once, over the signing of Gomes but I think you know my views on him.
What did concern me in the game against Villa was the slow build up of play, very predictable so much so it enabled Villa time to get men back in numbers.

THis happened also last season, Coleman seems to have games like this, he is one of the main outlets to begin the attack. swiftly and direct but has this mental block sometimes and for what ever reason lacks the confidence to go forward with purpose that we all know he is capable of doing, that is worrying at this level.
We don’t seem to have anyone from the midfield to go forward and too go pass people at this moment.

Having said this we still should of won the Game too miss the sort of chances in front of the goal is totally unacceptable at this level
I am sure that the Management team at Everton are well aware of the lack of quality in front of goal and the slow tempo at Villa and have every confidence they will put this situation right immediately.

24 Aug 2019 22:26:19
I won't hide the fact that i don't want Silva but can i just ask anyone who wants him to stay just what it is that you see in him is it his tactics is it his team selection is it his substitutions you like or the way he can get his players worked up and rise to the occasion and get the crowd going because if it's any of them I've not seen anything from him so i ask again just what is it?

24 Aug 2019 22:46:16
I like the fact that he goes out every game to win it. Something Everton haven't done for many a year.
Yes we will lose games because of it but I like the way we play football.
We played Villa off the park.
We also playerd every other team off the park when we have gone down to 10 men. Wolves, Palace, Bournemouth we have been the better side when down to 10.
I like the fact that he has got us compact and solid defensively.
Won't just throw players in to aid the attack when he knows it will be a detriment to our defense. That shows he is tactically very good.
Not many other teams when on song can defend like us.
Yes he needs to tweak the attack, but trust me, when he gets it right (like the back end of last season) we will be a top side.

And I know all the doom and bloomers are waiting for it to fall apart but defensively he is sound and Moshiri and Brands are in it for the long run so I think you ma6 be waiting a while.

25 Aug 2019 02:46:05
Hi Skylark

In a different post you talked about 10 games as being a better guide to a teams performance
If we take the last 7 games of last season and the 3 games this season we won 5 drew 3 and lost 2 giving us 18 points
Multiply that by 3.8 to get a season total and we get 68.4 points which is 14 points better than last season and 19 better than season before
It would have given us 6th place in both those seasons
We have beaten Chelsea (just outside the 10 games) Arsenal and Man Utd. We got deserved draws against Liverpool and Tottenham
Our defence has improved enormously - Kean, Zouma and Mina have all come out and said how much Silva has improved their games
The new signings from 18/ 19 have been a success
The new signings from the last window still have to be integrated into the side
Our start to this season hasn't been the best but I really don't understand the supposed supporters that seem to take great joy in being able to slag the team off as soon as there is a blip. Even with those 3 games over the last 10 games we show a vast improvement

Yes Silva has to get the attack to score more but he will do it once he has fully integrated Kean and Iwobi
The midfield will improve with Gbamin and Delph
Yes Gomes had a bad game at AV, the whole team did and they need to turn it around very quickly but tell me one player who hasn't had a bad game. Tell me one team who hasn't had a bad day. I agree the best teams keep those days to a minimum and we need to improve that aspect but look at our last 8 games of last season W 5 D 2 L 1 6 clean sheets

They are my reasons. what's yours.

25 Aug 2019 08:34:58
It just shows how low some fans have gone if you think a draw against Liverpool is a good result . i give up.

25 Aug 2019 09:25:24
Our record under Moyes and those after him was pretty good against the teams below us. Silva has shown that we can also compete with the teams above us.

It means that as a supporter there are no weekends where I would rather not bother because we are playing a team I know will beat us. that's something I have not really had since the 80s.

Question to you Skylark. You have mentioned what you don't see, so what do you see that you like from Silva's coaching?

25 Aug 2019 10:14:01
He doesn't give me any optimization the football is terrible and predictable there is no fight from the players the midfield is slow and team selection terrible I'm sorry can't see anything i know some on here will call me a doom merchant like DC but it's just the way i see it . said i was going off line till Xmas a while back but stayed on after the villa game but think i will go away for a bit now to the joy of some hopefully things have improved by then.

25 Aug 2019 10:26:16
Really Skylark

Is that your considered response to what are your reasons for disliking Silva?

A draw against Liverpool, The runners up in the league with the 3rd best points total in a season and which we could and should have won wasn't a good result

Is that the best you've got?

Maybe you are right and you should give up.

25 Aug 2019 10:42:48
Wel if your glad with a draw against Liverpool then maybe it's time you gave up . that's it I'm off i will leave my options for match day at the ground.

25 Aug 2019 10:50:27
People says he goes out to win, this is wrong. He goes out to attack there is a big difference. Trying to win is about having tactics to stop the opposition.
The odd good result means nothing, if that is all some fans want then stay away, Evertonians should be winners, wanting to win all the time. I know this is not possible but we should allways try to win and aimless pretty predictable football is rubbish no different to Martinez.
It seems some supporters are not aware of are great history, well I am.

25 Aug 2019 11:11:02
I don't think its loyalty to Silva, its more if we change manager again, its set us back another 4 transfer windows while we chop and change all the players again. we need some stability and changing again after 1 defeat is ridiculous. the problems at Everton are well deeper than the manager, player recruitment is so poor, the delays at the end of the window mean all our new signings appartently aren't fit to play, the recruitment structure and process needs to change before the manager does.

25 Aug 2019 11:20:46
Tactics to stop the opposition is about defending. Trying to win is a collaboration between trying to stop them and trying to attack them.

DC, it’s not right to suggest a persons point of view is a product of ignorance of our history. That’s a bit harsh. We are all acquainted with our rich history and we all have differing views. Like you are with Silva, I was the same with Martinez. There’s not much between us other than preference that we can both find points to back up.

This forum is an opportunity to air our opinions to like minded fellow blues. Like minded in the pursuit of silverware and the memory of our great history.

25 Aug 2019 11:30:22
Am I going mad?

"Trying to win is about having tactics to stop the opposition"? No that is tactics to get at best a 0-0 draw like the dross Allardyce served up.

However the number of clean sheets we have had shows Silva knows how to do this - stop the opposition - so what is your point?

Please talk some sense.

25 Aug 2019 15:13:53
DC didn't you want Allardyce to stay? Yes you did. Now you want to win every game. And you think we're confused, your comments are all over the place.
Silvas defensive record is as sound as anyone's in the league, the proof is there to show that.
As for great history that will forever be tarnished by your mate Allardyce the crook.

25 Aug 2019 16:25:05
He goes out most games to attack, not the same as to win it (I accept the fact that no manager worth his salt goes out to lose) . Two ways for me either attack in such a way (Liverpool way mostly) , creating so much pressure that on the whole the opposition find it hard to get off the back foot, (again I accept the side has to be extremely fit - physically -. ) The other way is to absorb and hold and endeavour an extremely fast counter attack. What we are now seeing from Silva is akin to Martinez but without the wearing all the time positivity. You will note that this season (3 games in yes I know) , I have not called for his head, our bed has been made and I have no wish to go down the road of told you so. We have a brilliant DoF, who is slowly getting his back room together, my fervent hope is that Silva takes advantage of his (Brands recruitment) . Brilliant BBC article on Brands recruitment process, sheds light (at last) on the human side of this great Club an insight into how we were able to attract Moise (will work out probably in my view to be one of our best scores in decades) . Posted earlier on the Lincoln game and a chance to bed our new recruits into the Team and hopefully, works out solid for Wolves game. Believe me that will be a test, said beginning of last Season they are the side to watch, they will be top 6/ 7 this season.

25 Aug 2019 16:43:29
100% agree with Smit on this one. I read more than I post and sometimes find it hard to see where dc’s coming from at all. Opinions are opinions but it seems to me that he doesn’t support the team at all. If Brands is more than happy with Silva being our manager then I’d take his opinion over dc’s every day of the week. As for Allardyce, c'mon now he must be one of our poorest appointments in years, maybe a relative to dc. Skylark, a draw at Liverpool when they were on a high and had the league in there hands. Our draw pretty much stopped them from winning the title, I for one will take that, it was an excellent result. Some fans on here post just to get a response, I’m the sort of fan that gets behind our beloved team whoever’s in charge home and away ( and that includes Big Sam) .

25 Aug 2019 17:42:12
Smit and bw, great posts, but I would not waste my breath on some of the doom mungers mate.

Every man and his dog can see the dross we had a few seasons ago.

We have yet to get a Kean, Iowbi and Delph into the team or play Silvas preferred 4-4-3.

We saw towards the end of last season how we held our own and even bettered the top sides.

You can even go back to the 85 and 87 Championship sides we had, check the results for the first few games, we never start well, god knows why, but we just seem to drop points early doors.

Keep the faith Smit and bw, results will follow.

25 Aug 2019 18:17:07
4 4 3 eh! Certainly have an advantage there then.

25 Aug 2019 18:31:51
I agree Bignev I made a decision to not give certain posters on here any airtime and recently I have started to.
I will revert back to ignoring the usual suspects.

24 Aug 2019 21:23:21
If Tosun was given the minutes DCL has been given, he'd be scoring for us.

24 Aug 2019 22:11:50
And your baseing that on what evidence?
He doesn't suit Marcos style so for me shouldn't be played in the hope that he scores a goal.

He had a purple patch of 5 goals when he started and since then has shown that he can't hold the ball up, s slow, can't head a ball but he can score, although we have to just believe he can score.
Richarlison should be ahead of Tosun for me.

25 Aug 2019 08:35:07
Defo Ricky every time.

25 Aug 2019 09:10:48
To be fair Smit, he's hardly played since this purple patch you're referring to. So in like manner, What are you basing your opinion on? You're going to need to provide some pretty commanding evidence also based on the fact that he's hardly been given a chance, which is my point.

I guess what I'm saying is that all strikers need a run in the team to be truly measured. DCL (who I like) is not scoring. let's give a run to Tosun. Its just a hunch, but I'm optimistic his goal return would be better than DCLs current offering.

25 Aug 2019 10:53:58
Richalson was inconsistent at Watford and we overpaid for him and has never shown he can play well for a whole season, another player we will probably lose money on, however he is young and maybe the next manager will be able to improve him, he does have talent.

25 Aug 2019 11:07:09
I think Smit and ToffeeAce both have valid points.

When we are playing the top teams such as City, Liverpool, etc they attack more and I think DCL offers more getting behind them down the channels and in the high press. I think the team plays better with him there
However against, for arguments sake, a Crystal Palace, operating a 8-9 man defence and who seldom go forward maybe Tosun has better predatory instincts whilst Richarlison and Kean would also provide different outlets through their passing ability in tight situations

I think Silva sees DCL and Kean as his 2 centre forwards with Ricki as fallback with Tosun available for transfer so has omitted Tosun from the starting line up. He's the one that sees them in training and he's the one making the decisions and taking the flack for it

At least no-ones calling for Niasse.

25 Aug 2019 15:23:30
DC 38 million for a kid who scored 15 goals in his debut season with us. Hmm. Not sure we overpaid.
Im sure you are aware of Richarlisons first season with Watford and why he was hampered. I expect you understand the situation and reason for drop off in form so to slate him for it is just naive.

24 Aug 2019 20:13:25
Positives from last night, I thought we played some lovely football at times. Looked really good going forward and created some real good chances. Obviously, the negative being we didn’t take them! Villa not a bad side and will upset a lot this year, but Everton clearly the better side, just not clinical enough in front of goal.

A professional footballer of Walcott’s standard should be slotting chances like that away in his sleep, likewise with DCL. I’m not bashing them like some on here, just at this level, you HAVE to take those chances.

On the whole, I like what I see so far and we will improve as the season goes on. Three games in and it’s largely positive, apart from lasts nights result. Iwobi looks good, as does Kean. I would imagine that he will be starting once his match fitness is there.

24 Aug 2019 21:16:30
You should sell brexit mate.

24 Aug 2019 22:04:09
They will all be starters soo Pierre. Marco won't want to just throw them in but if siggy, DCL and Gomes don't produce then we will see the new boys coming in.
The first goal is important but is more so for us as we are pretty solid at the back.
Once all our forwards are firing we will be fine.

25 Aug 2019 10:58:46
Wake up Smit and get real, are manager is useless, you have attacked me for a while now.
However I knew and am right now 100% certain now stop day dreaming and get real.
I notice your paL Degsy has not shown his face yet maybe the truth has dawned on him.
I did feel I might be wrong but now I am certain that Silva is not and never was up to the job.

24 Aug 2019 19:19:05
Apart from our Red friends across the park it would appear that not many Teams are ready for the coming season, it seems most of us are all over the place with any team regardless of whether they are near the top or bottom of the League, i will not get in a panic over our Teams performance and am sure with a few tweeks here and there we will come good, yesterday's game I don't think many of our team played well apart from Mina, Moise and Iwobi, we had a couple of good chances for a goal and we didn't take them, at this level that is something that has got to be sorted,

24 Aug 2019 21:18:56
We said the same all last season. DCL! I don't get this, he is only young stuff, if your good enough you are old enough. The Manager says he makes decisions based on what he sees' in training. that's fair enough and his call but what is the thinking in continuing with DCL week after week failure but at the same time not giving a run to Tosun, who we know has scored goals against good Clubs and Countries. For me we could have Richarlison LW Bernard as 10 (siggy out of form) Iwobi RW and Tosun while gradually bringing Moise up to match fitness.

24 Aug 2019 22:01:04
For all your posts Dfs, this is one of your best posts I have read, could not have put it better mysel.

Richarlison is not firing at the moment but neither is Siggy Walcott or Lewin.

Silva needs to be ruthless and stop keep picking players like the above.

Any player can have an off Day, but if it continues week after week, then we need to start with a different line up.

24 Aug 2019 22:17:00
It's time to panic GB when that performance comes the norm. It is still 8 clean sheets in 11 or something, with some exciting players to play their way into our starting 11.
Gone are the days of if our starting 11 didn't show up we had nothing else.
Marco is building some good squad depth.
Once Gbamin, Delph, Kean and Iwobi understand how we play we will be some team.

Our defensive record comes from defending from the front and the new lads need to understand that before we throw them in.

24 Aug 2019 16:24:27
My personal view on last night, and our 2 biggest issues in the game.

Gomes was woeful, literally one of the worst performances I have seen from any Premier league midfielder in a long time. I seem to recall it took a few games for him to hit his stride last year, and sincerely hope this is the case again.

Literally everything was being sent to Digne, yes the lads been class but he is not Ronaldo. He can't win games single handily but it felt like that was our plan last night. It meant Richarlison was barely included in the play and was largely unable to get into the game. Siggy was poor but we weren't really trying to play through him it was just 100% down the left.

Once Iwobi/ Kean came on, you could see the change immediately. Iwobi was picking up the ball in the left, but then was spreading the ball all across the front line and bringing others into play. Sadly was too little too late, and the best chance fell to Theo who as many of said, should not be in the match day squad.

Still hopeful for the season, but a couple more like this and I will be struggling to defend against the onslaught of doom.

24 Aug 2019 16:16:12
I did strongly state before the end of last season that I hope Everton doesn't sign Gomes, this shocked a few, well last night you could see my reasons
For Everton sake I hope I am proved truly wrong with my judgment.

24 Aug 2019 19:29:34
After 1 bad game. get a grip. the blokes class.

24 Aug 2019 19:42:53
Honestly? You didn't want to sign someone of his calibre? One bad game and you're calling him out as a bad signing? I'm lost for words when it comes to some of our supporters!

25 Aug 2019 11:00:43
It is three bad games, we have only played second rate teams so far, if we struggle against this lot what does that make us?

25 Aug 2019 12:04:23
Again, yet another ridiculous post, DC. We haven't struggled for the first three games at all. What were you watching?

We got beat by Villa, get over it. If you think the board are going to sack Silva over that then you're a very, very deluded person.

24 Aug 2019 13:42:54
Went to the game last night an i hope to god i don't see dcl are number 9 play as a leading striker again in the starting line up this lad yes is 22 but if we accept players at this level to lead r line we will never break into the top 6 he is a terrible finisher he mite work hard but this team needs goals an this kid is not gona give us them also richarlison needs to go bk on the left
Front 3 should be
Richi. Kean. Bernard

An iwobi as a 10 that's what i would go with
Also coleman is getting on now i think he is losing it this team need a kick up the a***
Its not good enough.

24 Aug 2019 14:34:11
Evocallum, in the past i've been critical of DCL ok he missed a good chance last night, but you tell me any striker who doesn't miss them, even the regular 20 a season guys, DCL would need to convert 100% of his chances to reach that level, the service and support to this kid is abysmal, every time Villa played the ball up front their centre forward had players swarming forward, where were the blue shirts doing that, all we're using this kid for is the donkey work for a shower of lazy midfielders, speaking of midfielders have to say though, Gomes' contribution to both goals astonishing, free kick for the first, and an excellent dummy tackle for the second, and your on DCL's back, and Coleman is a complete idiot, could have been dismissed,

24 Aug 2019 14:39:00
Coleman lost it a while ago, has 2 or 3 above average games a season and that's it. Constantly kicks it against his own leg and constantly gets rinsed defensively.

As for DCL, I don't get why we persist with him, called him a poor mans Shane Long for a while now and it's true. Not only does he need to be benched but also sold, would anyone come in for him? I doubt it. He wouldn't start for any other team in the Premier League and that includes the likes of Palace, Brighton and Newcastle.

If Silva keeps on playing DCL and persisting with this silly formation and tactics every game then he will be out of a job very soon.

24 Aug 2019 15:17:05
Blue lagoon you can't possibly tell me you think dlc is good enough to lead r line an wear the number 9 i think niasse an tosun would get more goals than him an be more off a threat. Dlc does not no wer the goal
Is his record as a striker is shocking the quicker we get
Dlc out the starting line up am play someone who can finish from 6 yards the better this lad is championship at the best not a prem striker and for a club who is challenging for top 6 we players like him should be on the bench as a impact player as for gomes he has a bad game
Very rare.

24 Aug 2019 15:46:56
Agree Evo mate, good sub at best, but what about Richarlison? I just don't rate him? but new lads will do it for us.

24 Aug 2019 16:12:58
Were lacking quality through the spine of the team in my opinion, we are really missing gana at the minute. DCL really needs to step up but he will have to do it another time as he surely will be replaced next time, but to me Sigurdsson does not offer us enough and Gomes has been poor since his initial run in the team when he joined on loan. I really hope Delph gets fit soon, I think he could come in for Gomes and Iwobi and Kean for Gylfi and DCL, we need more energy in the middle of the pitch.

24 Aug 2019 13:17:39
Lack of goals is a big concern for sure. I think we only scored 1/ 2 in pre-season as well. All the blame shouldn't be laid at DCL, Richarlison and Siggy are there to score and create as well. Hopefully Kean will come good and Iwobi once they are fit and up to speed. Maybe time to give Tosun some game time? Take DCL out of firing line for a few games? I like what he gives the team with work rate, holding the ball up, good strength, but like everyone would like a few goals as well.

I didn't see the game last night but sounds like the midfield was crap. Tom Davies to inject passion and fight? I saw Gomes play at Brighton last year and he was awful so he clearly has a rubbish performance in him.

When is Delph going to be fit?

Not all doom and gloom but typically bloody frustrating, Everton love to end the oppositions losing streaks by gifting them a victory.