Everton banter 10

29 Sep 2026 17:47:27
So I have a number of questions regarding the City charges hopefully someone can provide answers.

As I understand it both us and them have been found guilty by a Premier League panel us as you all know on one charge, they on approximately 114 charges. The Premier League asked at the outset that we be given a 12 point deduction which as you know turned out to be 10 and was immediately applied there then followed a short appeal process and our points deduction was reduced to 6 and we got four points back immediately reinstated. So to question 1 should city be expelled out of the league does that happen immediately and if so do points gained against them get deleted as teams that haven't played them will now play fewer games.

Do they get expelled at the end of the season and what if they finish top?
If they get expelled how does that impact promotions from the lower leagues?
Does the Premier League just relegate the bottom 2 and what if the reason they get relegated is because of games against city or that the team that finishes 17 got a draw against city. How does the league that city end up in manage extra fixtures or promotions should city win that league.


If city just get a massive points deduction that is that big it relegates them is that fair on the championship? do they get parachute payments?
Do their charges cover the following seasons where their spend exceeded the permitted levels as ours did and we got a four point deduction. Is that enforceable once city come under EFL jurisdiction.

The Premier League have made a rod for their own backs as this situation is of their own making. Had the desire to make an example of Everton and potentially get us relegated not been so strong and they applied common sense and fined us then this situation would be solvable with a massive financial fine and a transfer ban over a number of windows.

However they have now got to apply severe sanctions for how they treated us! If not does that not speak volumes. Are we then in a position to sue the Premier League for unfair treatment and claim losses for the higher position we would have finished without points deductions over two seasons.
To be honest may head has fried looking at all the possible scenarios and subsequent fallout.

Please help send all answers to the home for the bewildered
WTAF?
In other news UTFT.

29 Sep 2026 18:49:40
No one knows the answers to these questions Big C, we can only speculate.
The supporting statement from Masters is pretty damning though, clear that only have City been found guilty, but also that they made attempts to hold up the process. He also stated that the Premier League want to act swiftly now.
Only a hefty punishment seems likely and appropriate.

29 Sep 2026 19:28:08

I hope for the integrity of the premier league that it is fair and appropriate considering our punishments and Forrest's it should be commensurate with them ie 1 charge = initial 10 point deduction therefore 115 charges = 1150 point deduction over the period of deception which if successful on appeal can be reduced to 690 points on the 1 charge = 6 point deduction basis

However I can’t help feeling that they’ll s*** out and it will be a massive fine and a transfer ban over a period.

If that happens I’ll need to find my corrupt placard

29 Sep 2026 20:22:08
Big C, it has taken something like four years to get to this stage. It is in Cities best interest to keep the appeal process going as long as possible and it's in the Football League's interest to procrastinate as long as possible. This will not be resolved soon.


I expect that the League will push for our appeal against the Burnley payment to be upheld, making it more difficult for clubs to take out lawsuits against each other.
Remember what action was taken against Chelsea, I expect another white wash.

30 Sep 2026 10:15:14
Expelled from the Premiership to where? They haven't broken any League rules. Besides put them down to the Championship or League one isn't a punishment, they would be back in the Prem within 1 season or 2 seasons.

{Ed001's Note - of course they have broken league rules, do you not know what is going on?}

30 Sep 2026 12:00:34
Ed I was not clear I admit, but I was referring to Premiership and Football league rules being different. People were saying ban City, I am saying the Prem cannot automatically ban them to a football league division (as I understand it) as their rules are different. Now a massive points reduction would send them down but only one level. Scotland I believe is different.

{Ed001's Note - they can boot them out of the league, then they have to apply for admission to the EFL.}

30 Sep 2026 12:34:24
Big C. I'm wondering if there's an option to offer the forfeiture rule to clubs if city are immediately expelled. They could impose a 3-0 ruling for any match originally scheduled against City and retroactively to cover any loss.

No one team then would gain an advantage and the fixture list would survive the issue.
Though a major issue would be the loss of match day revenue.
Just my take.

30 Sep 2026 16:00:32
Knowing our luck it will be the pools panel and we'll get a 3-0 loss??.

29 Sep 2026 17:46:10
New article on Man City they have been found guilty of all charges including sham contracts and £830 million overstated income, time to throw the book at them.

29 Sep 2026 19:05:47
Relegate them to non leavue football more like.

29 Sep 2026 19:07:00
Ndiaye must be delighted he joined them again another story of how the grass is never greener on the other side.

29 Sep 2026 19:33:44
Very true mate.

29 Sep 2026 19:28:03
Given that Manchester City continue to maintain that they are innocent of the allegations, is there any evidence that the same sponsorship and funding arrangements, including the alleged "sham contracts" continued after 2018, when the Premier League's investigation began? If so, has the Premier League investigated whether similar arrangements were still being used in the years since?

30 Sep 2026 10:16:53
Elvis how so? Players will be retained, wages will be retained.

29 Sep 2026 12:07:03
Keep reading that city are this massive cash cow for the premier league. Can someone tell me why please because they struggle to even fill their own ground on match days. I hope they get massively punished if there appeal fails. christ Robinho signed for them thinking it was utd he had signed for. massive club my arse paying players double or more what other teams could afford legally. i wont be commenting on them again i honestly think nothing much will happen to them.

29 Sep 2026 16:07:22
Robhino joined them 16yrs ago, they weren't the big European player they are now. Think Mark Hughes was still in charge.
As much as we may dislike them you can't deny they are, currently a massive draw for the Prem.
That said the Premier League will survive just fine if they are relegated.

29 Sep 2026 19:53:36
2008 they signed him. hijacked his move to Chelsea offering more wages its were it all started they were just better at corruption than ibramovic ???????.

29 Sep 2026 10:54:41
Interesting take, but none of that is going to happen. Chelsea had 74 breaches and were fined, City's punishment may be more severe but it will be 1 and done, and I lack confidence it will be the punishment they deserve.

The behaviour of their owners has been dreadful and they have the money and muscle to keep this going I just hope thenaPremier League has big balls.

29 Sep 2026 11:08:41
Oops that was meant to be a reply to the article below.

29 Sep 2026 11:41:37
I reluctantly agree with you, AJH, and yes, the situation has now put the spotlight fixed on the PL.
Not many of us have any real faith in them.

Ps, "dreadful", yes, but what restraint, mate lol.

29 Sep 2026 12:54:22
No wonder the Spanish fella couldn't wait to flee what do they say about sinking ships.

29 Sep 2026 17:18:22
The one thing that sets them apart from all the other clubs that have been sanctioned is they're lack of cooperation. This is apparently as serious as the breaches themselves. I think they will fair badly for this as it displays a brazen contempt for fair play. The world is watching.

29 Sep 2026 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - OptimumShots has posted a new article entitled, What a Fair Punishment for Manchester City Should Look Like

29 Sep 2026 07:06:32
Should the players be made to pay back any bonuses they received for winning any trophies if it was earned illegal, some can of worms this could turn out to be, where will it all end., football has been lost in money for decades we talk about money more than football now, i for one are sick of it all.

29 Sep 2026 13:12:22
You are right about talking about ''money''; I have been fed up with it for years now.

The soul of professional football in the PL no longer exists, and it is a 'can of worms', as you say, the talk of City being a cash cow as some kind of excuse, as it were, to be lenient with them is in reality being cynical and pro-cheating in order to protect the status quo.
This so-called 'best league in the world' has been well and truly besmirched, so pass us that tin opener please.

29 Sep 2026 13:31:14
Don't think you can blame the players mate. They go to who pays the most and to who is likely to be contesting for trophies. It's the owners who have been allowed to do this that need stringing up.

29 Sep 2026 17:23:22
Yeah that's like penalising the Debenhams staff for Sir Philip Greens corruption oh hang, they did.
In my opinion The players did their job so deserve their bonus.

28 Sep 2026 19:24:14
{Ed's Note - OptimumShots has posted a new article entitled, What a Fair Punishment for Manchester City Should Look Like

28 Sep 2026 20:46:20
Great and interesting read that, OS.

28 Sep 2026 21:22:28
Brilliant read that mate.

28 Sep 2026 23:19:54
Think we will need Martin Lewis to set up
some sort of PPI or Car Lease style campaign for clubs to claim back money.

29 Sep 2026 03:34:33
Martin Lewis ??.

28 Sep 2026 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - KingCarlos has posted a new article entitled, Manchester City and Alleged Rule Breaches

27 Sep 2026 12:19:12
Ed 001 been reading you're views on the Liverpool page and also ours as me son whose a red askes me about Liverpools transfer targets so we are both grateful for yours and Ed 025 feedback you mentioned something yesterday on there that man city could get a point deduction but it could be spreaded out over a number of seasons instead of the 1 season so we are just both wondering how many points would they get hit with per season or how many points would you reckon they should be deducted with keep up the good work and Ed 025 and the rest of the Eds as well happy Sunday all.

{Ed001's Note - they should be thrown out of the Premier League in reality and every title etc stripped, but that is highly unlikely to happen. I expect more of a 30-50 point deduction over a period of 3-5 years, something that will give them a chance of staying in the Prem, but enough to look like they are actually doing something. It is going to disappoint a lot of people, I believe, when they finally reveal the punishments.}

27 Sep 2026 13:21:15
Blimey 30/50 points spreaded out in my opinion its not enough they should be starting on minus 50 next season for the ffp charges and also banned out of Europe for number of years and on top of that a heavy transfer ban can you see clubs suing man city and if so do you know what clubs like and thank you for you're feedback mate much appreciated ?.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know which clubs, but there are a number of clubs that have already taken legal advice with regards to action against Citeh. They will all be considering it, it could end up making a complete mess of the English football system.}

27 Sep 2026 13:33:54
It would not be a surprise, really, Ed01, even the most vitriolic of us, and by all means count me in that; are dreading an outcome like this with trepidation lol
Personally I hope either way that City are haunted by all this forever, and anything they win on the pitch in the future has the burden of vocally suspicious fans of other clubs, mate.

{Ed001's Note - sadly you are correct, it would not be a surprise, I don't think any of us have faith in the Premier League to handle this.}

27 Sep 2026 14:40:10
City are a major cash cow draw for the Prem so yeah it will be a point deduction but spread out, that is if it gets that far.

27 Sep 2026 17:18:33
I don't know so much about what they bring but I'm pretty sure that with United Chelsea Liverpool and Arsenal the PL will have enough to command it's figures without City.
It's fair to say that the PL are pretty rubbish at handling this but I'll give them full credit for how they market their product.


They won't need city hanging around to get their revenue.
With the world watching on I suspect they will do all they can to save face.

27 Sep 2026 18:04:05
All the mess the English game is in is because of the Premier League it's a cancer that needs cut out this kind of thing wouldn't have happened before 1992 transfer fees and wages are a joke agents making millions fans now talk more about money than the football it's not a sport anymore bring back the 80s.

28 Sep 2026 01:36:36
Toffee Ace, you don't know what they bring?
They've been one of the best teams in Europe for about 10yrs. Pep their manager for most of that. Dude they've got Harlaand as well, superstar striker.

I agree that the Prem is a strong enough league to cope. But they do bring a lot to the table.

28 Sep 2026 04:02:37
City fans won't be particularly bothered if they get hit with a massive points deduction or even relegation. We know that within five years they'll be back to where they are now as if nothing has happened.

Stripping their titles etc looks good on paper but nothing else. Their fans have had years of success & nothing would diminish it in their memories. As an Evertonian for almost 50 years, I would take their past decade & then suffer whatever punishment they get.

UTFT NSNO ? ? ?.

28 Sep 2026 02:13:22
The best thing that can happen for the English game now is the breakaway. Let them make a European super league with teams filled with foreigners and no English lads with foreign fans

Then we can have our old game back with English lads English managers and no more tourists at the ground

I love going to Tranmere games it's like being a kid again no day trippers just locals and guess what every single player in our squad is English and we have more scousers than Liverpool and Everton combined, even though we're Wirral

That's what footballs about, a working class game not the disgusting money grabbing mess it is now with fans more interested in filming themselves for social media it knocks me sick

Even if Tranmere became very successful the highest echelon I'd want us to go to would be the championship I can't stand the prem, the clubs, the fans or the side ways passing from side to side. Too much financial risk to play a risky pass nowadays

You can keep your super league and money. Rant over.

28 Sep 2026 23:14:24
Ed01 - any idea why City representatives are so confident they have not broken the rules? Is it outright denial or do they genuinely have a case to have it over turned?

{Ed001's Note - just outright refusal to accept reality.}

27 Sep 2026 11:11:53
Watched with interest this morning's discussion regarding the man city situation on sky. A lot of perfectly valid points, however, there was a total lack of how their offences, compared to the grossly disproportional punishment met out to Everton.


In comparison, our offence, was a minor indiscretion, which, had it lead to relegation, would of had serious implications for the future of our clubs long term future, nowhere in the discussion was this ever raised.

27 Sep 2026 13:18:08
AB the ''Big Six'' are their main and probably only concern, mate.

The rest of us just make up the numbers, it seems.

27 Sep 2026 18:05:16
Without the "rest" there wouldn't be a league. In someways this could be the best thing to happen to the league if the Premiership actually manage it properly.