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18 May 2020 21:03:36
Any info on Matheus Pereira Ed? . Looks a quality player but West Brom have a deal to sign him if he completed a certain number of games.

I don't know if he's already completed the required number but do you think with the current situation and possibility the championship may not be finished that he could move elsewhere.

Would love us to sign him personally.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any Everton interest, sorry.}

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11 May 2020 12:22:40
Hi Ed, hope you're keeping well. Was just wondering if a clear out is required this summer if you'd be able to provide a list of potential outgoings please. Cheers mate.

{Ed002's Note - Depending on circumstances the ideal would be something like this:
Maarten Stekelenburg (G)
Lewis Gibson (CB) A couple of minor injuries, and game time has dried up so the player has to consider options which include old club Newcastle, Southampton, Brighton and Rangers.
Djibril Sidibe (RB) Player wants out but Everton would like to take up their option but would need the player to be persuaded to stay - Monaco had Milan saying they will take him on a loan to buy in January and they could look again in the summer.
Jonjoe Kenny (RB) Schalke want another loan.
Morgan Schneiderlin (CM)
Gylfi Sigurdsson (AM)
Yannick Bolasie (LW) Sporting wanted to keep him but would prefer another loan if there is an end to the current crisis - this is the result of buying all the LWs in Europe
Cenk Tosun (S)
Oumar Niasse (S)
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Moise Kean (S) I explained in the summer why Moise Kean was sold to Everton and he has the need for regular game time. He is expected to be hawked around Italy and Roma want a loan but would consider an exchange for Cengiz Under - the interest of two other sides seems to have gone.}

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11 May 2020 14:25:55
Fantastic as always ed. What’s the clubs plans concerning Kenny, will he get a chance next season or do you think it is more likely he’ll be loaned out again? Also, are there any potential suitors for Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin? Cheers again mate.

{Ed002's Note - It will be up to Everton to talk with the player and Schalke. Certainly they would like him back on loan, for hopefully a complete season. The only interest I know of in Schneiderlin but the club is up for sale, needs players sales by June 30 and will change coaches again this season with Marco Giampaolo moving on. I am not aware of interest in Gylfi Sigurdsson at this time.}

13 May 2020 17:51:05
While we are on the subject of clear outs, what happens to those players Everton wish to remove, but talk of both parties having to agree, then players can be released.

So the likes of Niasse, Martina and some of the others do not agree to be let go, would these players then be able to go on furlong pay, should the player want to stay the extended time, but the club want shut, or would the club still have to pay wages, until the season ends.

{Ed002's Note - I am not entirely sure what you mean. Everton have a numbe of players who are out of contract this summer like Cuco Martina, Maarten Stekelenburg, Leighton Baines and Oumar Niasse who the club need to decide if they would like to extend to continue to the end of the season on a game-by-game or month-by-month basis - and obviously continue to pay them. If both parties agree then there is no issue, else, as of June 30 they can simply walk away. It is slightly different with Djibril Sidibe where Monaco would also need to agree to an extension. There is no "furlough" pay that is relevant.}

14 May 2020 19:58:27
Hit the nail on the head Ed with your reply, should Everton not wish to extend the contracts, was not sure if the fa could force these clubs to keep the players on until the seasons over, or if Everton could release the players, they do not wish to keep in June, I can only see Baines being retained and possibly Stekelenburg, think the rest will have a taxi waiting, come June 30th.

10 May 2020 10:17:39
Hey Ed002,
Have you any inside info on what the situation is with Moise Kean, I know you already believe it was a bad move for him last summer, but more interested to know of there is any appetite from Carlo and Marcel to really try and make him settle down and realise his undoubted potential whilst he is with us, I get the feeling the kid was expecting to have played a lot more minutes than he has upto now, do you think his attitude may dropped because he feels guarantees haven't been met in regards to appearances?

{Ed002's Note - The situation remains as I explained originally - Everton was only going to ever be a stepping stone. Moise Kean (S) wanted by Roma on loan with an obligation to buy or in exchange for Cengiz Under. I explained in the summer why Moise Kean was sold to Everton and he has the need for regular game time. He is expected to be pushed by Mino to fight for a way out of Everton and in to Roma - the interest of two other sides, Bologna and Lazio who both wanted him on loan with an option to buy, seems to have gone.}

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10 May 2020 11:32:29
Do you think everton would push for a straight transfer fee with FFP issues on the horizon, or is Cengiz Under a player the club would like to bring in?

{Ed002's Note - I think it is unlikely that he would be easy to sell at the sort of fee the club would be looking at. Under at his best would be a player the club would like to bring in but he has not had the best of seasons. Cengiz Under (RW) was injured at the start of the season and has not performed well since - Roma wanted him moved on in January - Kluivert and Zaniola have proven to be adequate replacements although JK is really a LW and also on his way out. CU's agents are hawking him around having spoken with several English sides as they are expected to pay more. An option exists with Everton for an exchange involving Moise Kean (S).

10 May 2020 11:52:04
Nice one Ed!

10 May 2020 14:40:39
It would sort a problem position in RW provided Ancelotti could get the most out of Under.

{Ed002's Note - You are right.}

11 May 2020 12:45:38
Everton striker Moise Kean is “locked in talks” with Roma over a potential transfer, according to reports.

The Blues forward has struggled to settle in at Goodison Park since his move from Juventus last summer, scoring one goal in 23 Premier League appearances.

Moise #Kean could leave #Everton in the coming months. #Roma are interested in him for a loan with option to buy. #Toffees have asked info for Chris #Smalling, if Giallorossi will not buy him from #ManchesterUnited. #transfers #EFC.

09 May 2020 17:21:55
As we have an abundance of right footed left wingers I. E. Richarlison, Bernard, Iwobi, Bolasie,
Gordon, heres a novel idea what about a left footed right winger! Last summer we were linked with Zaha, and eventually signed Iwobi (you've guessed it! ) both right footed left wingers. Before anyone corrects me Iwobi played mostly on the left for Arsenal. So what about a left footer who's actually pretty good on the right? Would score a dozen goals a season and probably create the same amount. Has premier experience, definitely doesn't lack confidence and would cost about 20/ 25 mill. I think on his day can be a match winner just needs consistency and a run in the team which I'm sure Carlo would give him. His name Xherdan Shakiri what does anyone think? got to be worth a punt, Look what he did for a poor Stoke side at Goodison a few years ago.

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09 May 2020 18:16:05
Sorry dplanno I think lockdown has got to you!
Shakiri? Are you serious? A Liverpool player? Always looks overweight and uninterested. Scores a few crackers I’ll give you that, but he’s not consistent. Can’t get into their staring 11. How do you think he’d score a dozen for us? Big no from me.

09 May 2020 19:53:40
Ginge
Dont get me wrong I'm not fussed on an ex Liverpool player for obvious reasons. However he's a goal every 4 games that's close to 10/ 12 goals a season. As for him not starting for Liverpool really, hello Salah, Mane! Also he's a Liverpool player. So based on that logic you wouldn't want Van Dyke, Salah or Mane, let's stick with Walcott, Schneiderlin then. No wonder were we are and they're where they are.

09 May 2020 20:19:19
I was one of the ones that would have welcomed him here a few years ago. The guy was the main man at Stoke and backed himself to go across the park. He's done well on the rare chance he's had but surely he'd have preferred to have another 80 + matches under his belt? Sure, he's a champion league winner and fair play.
Certainly not the player we need these days. 3 years older, 3 years fatter.

Iwobi does his best work central. Gordon has had 5 minutes. Bolasie will never pull the shirt on again. So as much as it's a long old ed2 joke, we only have 2 LW and both Bernard and Rikky can play across the front. A RW is certainly needed though even if I disagree with every other word.

09 May 2020 20:58:06
Dplanno - I think you miss my point regards him being a Liverpool player. We rarely do business with them and the last player we bought from them was Gary abblett in 1992! 28 years ago.

I’d love Salah, mane and Virgil and was gutted when we pulled the plug on signing Virgil from Celtic.

There is very little chance of us buying any player from Liverpool let alone a world class player so your Salah, mane and Virgil comment a bit pointless - all teams would want them but Liverpool would only sell when they were no longer performing or they received a ridiculous offer.

05 May 2020 01:47:46
Wanted to ask the Ed's on any insight/ opinions to transfers. Is it feasible that clubs could be doing business at this moment, the rumours are rife but I don't feel that invested in any as surely there is no way to fully complete any transfers in the same way that people round the UK can't be taken on in new jobs etc never mind offering contracts out to players in the middle of all this. I would also assume everyone's spending will massivemy curve as they won't expect to make as much money in the next 12 months, assuming that we cancel/ end the season whatever happens and look to start up again in August/ september, can we expect to see much spending at all from anyone?
Do any of the rumours have any substance to them? In typical Everton fashion linked with every man and his dog just because of their slight connections to Carlo.

{Ed002's Note - Transfers this summer will split into (a) those already agreed and completed subject to paperwork (e.g. Hakim Ziyech (Ajax to Chelsea), Nicolo Barella (Cagliari to Inter Milan), Alvaro Morata (Chelsea to Atletico Madrid) and Trincao (Braga to Barcelona)); (b) the high end transfers several cash rich clubs would like to get over the line if possible (e.g. Mbappe, Sancho, Havertz etc.) although people will try and negotiate reductions in the cost of overall packages (e.g. the overall cost of Sancho is pretty extreme); (c) there are the then the higher-profile clubs that will need to horse trade by looking to spread out payments if they can, include players in sales or clubs that have the sell to buy (e.g. Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are good examples); (d) the more run of the mill transfers where players are recruited to gain improvements in the sides, replace retiring and out of contract players etc..

You will certainly see less movement and less spend in the lower tiers as the money won't be there. Many will look to sell a player or two to the higher leagues to keep themselves out of trouble (e.g. Brad Young (G) has a move from Billingham Town to a Premier League side agreed already). And many PL and Championship sides are once again looking at players from the lower tiers.

In terms of transfer fees, we will still see a few very expensive transfers, you will see players having to stay where they are for another year, you will see efforts to reduce overall costs particularly agent fees - and across mainland Europe you will see even more horse trading than normal.

Clubs that have FFP problems (e.g. Everton and Aston Villa) should see a relaxation this year and should take the opportunity to clean up their act or all they are doing is delaying what could hit them very hard.

I don't know which rumours you are talking about in respect of Everton but if you have a specific player in mind I will try and answer.}

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06 May 2020 01:20:48
Hi Ed good read there, I have seen a few links to Sangare with his club being relegated, I suspect numerous clubs would be looking but are we in the mix?

{Ed002's Note - Ibrahim Sangare would be a Gbamin replacement and I am not aware of any approach from Everton.}

06 May 2020 14:06:20
Thanks for the reply Ed.

Mainly players like Gabriel, Everton, James Rodriguez, Lozano and Allan. Obviously would be great to get these people in but can’t imagine any of them are actually likely given the situation.

{Ed002's Note - To give you something to ponder:

Everything up in the air whist Carlo assesses what he needs but I expect a CB and S will be the priority after a clear out.

Djibril Sidibe (RB) Player wants out but Everton would like to take up their option but would need the player to be persuaded to stay - Monaco had Milan saying they will take him on a loan to buy in January and they could look again in the summer.
Jean-Clair Todibo (CB) will only be sold with a buy-back clause and €25M - plenty of interest but Barcelona do not see him as good enough - was available in January and is being offered around to clubs including Everton, Inter, Manchester United. But Milan have had talks but concerns over injuries saw a lower bid made and rejected. Interest from Bayer Leverkusen and Southampton. His agent has offered him to Napoli as a Kalidou Koulibaly replacement. Roma are being messed around over another player and have turned to declare an interest in J-CT.
Gabriel Magalhaes (CB) Lille didn't want to sell in January although Arsenal pushed - the player has signed a new contract, but Arsenal could look to him in again the summer if they do not sign Mari - else they are overrun with CBs. Lazio have made their interest known as the seek a replacement for Luiz Felipe (CB) but he is not their first choice - although their first choice may well be heading elsewhere. Napoli know that they may lose Kalidou Koulibaly (CB) in the summer and have an interest in the player. Southampton and Everton have both sent scouts to watch the player with Everton notifying Lille that they are very interested in taking the player in the summer – but there has been no “done deal” as many of the Everton fans think. Chelsea and Spurs have both looked and Chelsea fans have, like the Everton fans, convinced themselves a deal has already been done and that has led to abuse on the site. In reality, he is not be top of the list of replacements if one of the existing CBs leave (which is actually possible) although Chelsea have accepted that their two preferred choices are very probably not achievable. Spurs have a bigger problem in that they have an aging defensive squad supplemented by players who are only perhaps borderline good enough. Spurs have other options they are looking at but could prioritise Magalhaes. Prior interest of PSG was thought to have gone but with their financial issues limiting their ability to spend without sales - but it may just be back.
Mohammed Salisu (CB) Norwich are very keen on taking the Valladolid centre back in January but may face opposition from Southampton and Everton. Manchester United and Valencia have been credited with scouting the player by his club, but they have also said the are in talks with Atletico Madrid.
Ferro (CB) an advisor to Everton has continued to push for Ferro and the club may well approach Benfica after again sending scouts to watch him - this is not aligning well with the expectations of CA.

Teun Koopmeiners (DM/CM) Milan have had an approach for Koopmeiners rebuffed after losing out on three other DM players. They do not have the funds to push to force a sale. As for Everton I would need to try and check, but if there is interest he would be a Brands choice and he is a very well thought of young player. Against a move happening are a number of points: (a) I am not sure that AZ Alkmaar would be open to selling their captain; (b) he plays in a side which plays a style of football Brands would like to instil throughout the entire club - but he is not being supported by the club in making that happen, and having Carlo as a different thinking coach won't help that quest; (c) if Gbamin is fit where does he fit in - although I see the argument that he would be an ideal Morgan Schneiderlin replacement - but will that give him sufficient game time. So a maybe, but I will try and find out more.
Morgan Sanson (CM) interest may have left with Silva - but the lady from Marseille says that Carlo Ancelotti has shown interest in the player before and perhaps there will be further contact.
Matias Vecino (CM) and that would be Carlo Ancelotti's pick. However, I very much doubt the player would be interest in such a move.
Ricky-Jade Jones (CM/AM) A kiddie from Peterborough that Leeds, Arsenal and Manchester United looked to strike a deal for in January. Spurs, Liverpool and Everton have all had scouts watch him as well. Leeds will push if they get promoted. Peterborough will look to hold on to him.

Cengiz Under (RW) was injured at the start of the season and has not performed well since - Roma wanted him moved on in January - Kluivert and Zaniola have proven to be adequate replacements although JK is really a LW. CU's agents are hawking him around having spoken with several English sides as they are expected to pay more. An option exists with Everton for an exchange involving Moise Kean (S).
Adam Ounas (RW) on loan at Nice but Everton have been watching - Nice has an option to buy but they will likely not take it up.
Gabriel Veron (RW) kiddie from Brazil that has been watched at youth-level by plenty of European sides with Everton and Braga turned away from the door in January and a very steep asking price. Edu has certainly looked at the kid a few months ago but Arsenal do not have that sort of money to spend on a youth player who cannot move this year unless the transfer window is moved. Barcelona and another side have looked to a deposit and leaving him where he is for another year.

Everton Soares (LW) Lots of clubs have been looking at Everton Soares but none were interested at the Gremio asking price of €120M nor at the for sale price of around €80M. Now Gremio, who have financial concerns, are looking to get €40M and he is being hawked around European clubs again. Over hyped with an agent happy to let a third-party offer him around to club. Clubs are allowed to speak with the player if they are sufficiently interested. Everton were approached as Carlo Ancelotti was keen when in charge at Napoli (who have also been approached) – but I would not hold your breath about a move to Everton as LW is not a position to be filled. The player himself appears to be some sort of half-wit. Borussia Dortmund and Monaco were also approached.
Yeferson Soteldo (LM/RW) he would be a shorter than Bernard replacement for Bernard - Everton have looked but it would make no sense to buy him. Inter have a long-term interest but don't like the €35M being asked. The player wants to join Manchester United.
Hirving Lozano (LW/S/RW) has not scored enough goals at Napoli and has been used out of his natural position as a striker recently. Napoli are open to selling but could ask a premium price from Everton – and it could be a dumb move given his mojo is on the wane – but he is liked by CA who could get better out of him and he is versatile and not simply another winger. West Ham interest has likely gone for now, PSG interest has gone, Wolves has not made any approach to his club or his agent but have watched him. Possible at the right price although space needs to be made.

Joe Gelhardt (F) Wigan kiddie who has attracted a lot of attention from Premier League sides who had trials with Liverpool and Everton when very young. Spurs and Chelsea have both spoken with Wigan about the player, but both came away thinking he should stay where he is for a year or two to develop - and Chelsea have a much-preferred option. Manchester United have sent an ex-player to look at him and I understand Liverpool, West Brom and Everton have also been scouting him. Another one to perhaps keen an eye on and I would not rule out a move to Everton.
Donyell Malen (F/W) rather raw Arsenal reject who has done well at PSV, is well liked if a little moody, but may not be able to make the step up. Rather unlikely if there is interest at the €50M asking price at all. I would doubt PSV would be open to dealing with Everton at anything other than a premium price, but this may well be something coming from an advisor rather than Brands. Very unlikely.
Josh Maja (S) Everton have watched Maya on several occasions this season. Crystal Palace, Celtic and West Ham are also interested in seeing if a deal could be done.
Sardar Azmoun (S) was subject to a very public dispute between Rubin Kazan and Rostov which ended in favour of Rostov in 2016. Stoke had agreed a transfer with Rubin Kazan prior to the CAS proceedings but were aware that it would be difficult to make a case for a work permit. Everton had also looked at the player in the past but, like Stoke, knew the Work Permit situation would be a problem. Whilst playing for RK in 2014 it was suggested that Brendan Rodgers was keen on the player, but I cannot confirm that. Rubin Kazan received a little over €2M in compensation at the ruling of CAS and have no recourse for appeal - eventually signing him on a "free transfer". Marseille watched the player at the start of last season, but he opted for a move to Zenit - and they remain concerned that his best form comes in International sides who are lowly ranked. Antalyaspor, Villareal, Wolves, Liverpool, Leverkusen and Konyaspor all attended matches to watch Azmoun during his last season with Rostov (2018) but the player made clear he did not want to move at that time. Atletico, who won't have had the WP issues dropped some interest they had in the player. There has also been interest from Celtic and Lazio. He had a better time with Zenit last year and Napoli, when CA was coach, took note. Everton could see Azmoun as a viable Kean replacement but need to make sure a WP could be obtained. I think a move to England is unlikely, but possible.
Mohamed Sankoh (S) young Dutch kiddie of serious interest to Atletico Madrid - additionally Chelsea spoke with Stoke about him when discussing another player and Everton have made an enquiry.

07 May 2020 09:36:09
Thanks Ed. Really interesting read. I literally laughed out loud at “the player himself seems to be some sort of half-wit”.

07 May 2020 16:48:52
Very interesting seems to be a lot of South America based talents popping up there, do we have more of a scouting network out there with Brands or is it more about clubs and agents hawking their players about to drive up interest and sales?
Seeing this Nicolás De La Cruz cropping up, don’t know much about him or where the interest comes from.

{Ed002's Note - There are not a lot of SA players and it would be no more than scouting U17 and U20 tournaments. Nicolas De La Cruz (AM) Manchester City spoke to River Plate about the player but stepped back - concerns he may not get a work permit and even though well liked, a reluctance to take on someone who is not HG and never will be as padding. Roma has an interest in the player. As for Everton I am not aware of interest and there would be language and culture issues - it makes no sense and is very unlikely.}

07 May 2020 20:39:32
Thanks Ed great insight as always.

03 May 2020 20:13:05
Sorry to hear about Koeman, wish him a speedy recovery.

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03 May 2020 23:08:23
I think its crazy how so many footballers have heart problems. you'd think they were near superhuman compared to us mere mortals. wish him a speedy recovery.

07 May 2020 14:46:15
It does seem strange but underlying heart issues can effect the fittest of people, I’m into cycling and few months ago Team Ineos sporting director died suddenly of heart attack he was 40 and ex pro who was extremely fit and healthy, it’s very worrying for rest of his who don’t lead a healthy lifestyle like athletes.

08 May 2020 08:09:34
It is no mystery at all. As in all very active occupations, Sport (particularly in the pro ranks) , Military, Fire Service etc! Once those retire or cease, then it takes a great deal of physical and in particular mental fortitude to keep the body at such a high fitness level or near as damn it. In not doing so the body begins to ease back. Witness the amount of ex Military in dire straits. I and many many others who had such professions, have been able to adjust. We are the lucky one's.

29 Apr 2020 08:21:25
You Ed002,
Any inside track on the proposals to revamp the qualification rules for the Champions league from 2024 season onwards? It seems like the first foundation is being laid for a European super league, the death bell is starting to toll for the English domestic game as we know it .

{Ed002's Note - There are several counter-proposals to the proposed pan-European breakaway that have been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the introduction of a lower-tier European competition again (which is happening regardless). Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have no interest in such a discussion but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves again. This has dragged on for three years and nothing has happened - and I doubt it will. Ross with the help of Liverpool owners FSG organised a meeting of a number of clubs in Paris during January 2020 including Arsenal, Bayern Munich, PSG, Atletico, Manchester United, Juventus, Liverpool in order to discuss expanding the pre-season International Champions Cup to a much larger event where clubs would be members of the tournament through a debenture type system but need to commit to playing their first team in all games. Ajax, Chelsea, both Milan sides, Borussia Dortmund, Monaco, Marseille, Real Madrid and Spurs refused invitations to attend. Ross wants UEFA to formally recognise the tournament (there has been a discussion already) which would be a money spinner but will add many more first team games to the annual schedule.

However, UEFA are still also considering a variant proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve into a parallel league, and of course eventually into a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions’ League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support - and that is where we are now.

The primary UEFA plans, which would come into force in 2024, state that the 32-team Champions League for the 2024/25 season would be chosen based on UEFAs domestic club rankings from the period between the 2020/21 and 2023/24 seasons, effectively shutting out clubs who are not doing well prior to 2024. What it does is make an early start for the Elite to move on (pre 2024) very unlikely. Timing wise, two very prominent clubs wanted it to happen as soon as possible (2021 was the most recently proposed date) and they have the support of a third club - but most are looking at 2023 to 2025 being a good option. A few clubs are looking at 2025 to 2028 and I suspect that could end up as the reality.

Right now, of the 21 clubs involved in the discussions, two have said they will not be in any breakaway league and three have said they may not compete. That will likely change by the time anything eventually happens and talks will continue. The other major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite". The general feeling from informal discussions over cocktails is that the "elite" would not want it on a league basis but could be open to including other sides in a some sort of expanded World Club – and that is where FIFA would come in.

If the proposal for a breakaway goes ahead, there is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. Initially it could be that there is a single 16 team league with 2 or 3 EPL teams making the initial plunge. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league - but it won't be based on the UEFA rankings; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well - they don't want further issues but the troubles are not going to go away. I could also see many teams lose their professional status. I would think we are probably 10 years away from any significant move at this time.

I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially). Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again). Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done.

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the Liverpool supporters like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 10 to 12 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them?

It was thought that a possible option might have resulted from a potential landmark decision that UEFA were to make in June or July 2017 - and that could facilitate the ownership of lower-tier sides by the more senior sides and then work as a feeder club. However – the need to make that decision was avoided.}

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29 Apr 2020 11:41:48
Can you just go through that again please?

29 Apr 2020 19:36:14
Fantastic insight Ed, thanks. I’ve read this site for a few years and never posted, seems the right time to now. I’m relatively young at 39, so I’ve missed out on all the beat years as a blue, I only remember losing the 89 final and winning the 95 fa cup, along with the near misses of relegation. I’ve become somewhat disallusioned with football over the past couple of years. I wasn’t a fan of bringing VAR in, and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. I much preferred human error, something to talk about after the game and a difference of opinion, rather than how many millimetres someone was offside. I’m of the opinion it’s ruining the game (although I can see why it was brought in) , slowing it down and it seems like were soon going to be watching a non contact sport. Money makes the world go around, but unfortunately it’s another thing ruining the game. Times change as with everything in life. Sadly the game, in my opinion is being ruined by money and greed. It’s a huge lucrative business and it’s ruining a lot of people’s enjoyment. The last couple of seasons I have started paying less and less attention to premier league football (I am a blue but also a fan (or was) of the game in general, and would watch any game available) . I have taken to watching lower league football a lot more, aswell as Everton. Whether it be Tranmere or the lads Sunday league, I have found it’s more interesting to me (no VAR, less money, etc) . With the proposals outlined by Ed, and what’s inevitably going to happen in the game, I’m starting to fall out of love with it and I’m sure, but hope I’m wrong thy a lot of others will to. The excitement isn’t going to be the same for me. Sadly the game that I knew has changed beyond recognition for me. Bit of a long winded post for a first time I know, the general gist of it tho is that the life is being sucked out of it for me and will be even more so with the proposals as outlined by Ed. Anyway, I hope you’re all safe and well with what’s going on right now and I apologise for the long post, and thanks for the insight Ed, fantastic as always.

{Ed002's Note - It is a natural progression I am afraid.}

29 Apr 2020 20:29:28
So it seems, unfortunately. Thanks.

29 Apr 2020 22:34:15
Wow what a detailed response, thanks for the info ed002, I must say I would be gutted to see the Premier League dispanded, but also would probably subscribe to watch this new super league if it were created. it would be a shame not to see all the best players at the world cup as well, but as you say, most if not all players would go for the money on offer.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome. It is not anticipated for a few years but something could happen from 2024.}

30 Apr 2020 11:50:51
Well Everton would not be included in this super League considering our lack of European success in recent times. Where would that leave us as a club? Assumption is we would wind up eventually then as TV would only be interested in the top competition. Football would essentially become the top 3/ 4 teams from the top euro leagues forming the super League meaning us Everton fans best start thinking of a new team to support really as even if there is a competition left, it would be one of little interest to anyone with no chance of being included in the super League as we are not a big enough club and the club's initially included will want it closed off so all the money is always with them.

30 Apr 2020 12:54:51
So what's the point in building the new stadium.

30 Apr 2020 15:56:38
I personally would not be interested in watching a European super league if my team was not in it - I’d imagine a lot of fans from all clubs would agree.

I realise it’s Potentially a big money spinner but a lot of the money comes from fans supporting the teams involved, buying tickets, merchandise, paying for subscriptions to watch the matches. If a fan has not got an interest in it as their team is not involved I’m not sure they’ll be keen to spend their hard earned on following it.

It’s a sad state of affairs when money above all is the motivating factor and the fans are forgotten about.

For instance The joy of the FA cup is in the giant killings and watching the so called top teams having to play at a pitch worse than their car park.

Football in its current state does need to change but for the benefit of the majority - these plans seem only aimed at the so called elite teams.

Will be interesting to see what teams don’t survive the current predicament and who has to sell to survive.

The football landscape in the coming year will be very different to previous, hopefully some clubs will use the experience to improve their practice in relation to finances and start to live with in their means. Not sure if fans either will be spending as much as previous with the likely hardship the current predicament has gotten a lot of people in making them a bit more conscious of what they spend money on - the idiotic footballers flouting the lockdown rules are not making a good impression and wouldn’t be encouraging me to spend my cash to pay their wages.

{Ed002's Note - The "elite teams" (there are 21 of them at present) would generally (with the exception of two) it the likes of UEFA and FIFA would stop try and increase their hold over competitions. The "breakaway" is the plan of these "elite" sides to take back control. All of the other plans are from UEFA (or those trying to partner with UEFA) to profit themselves.}

30 Apr 2020 20:28:22
Let them have their super league, they will soon be brassed off with only one of those teams lifting the league.

All good and well dominating your own leagues, season on season, be a different kettle of fish facing the elite, week in week out.

If they break away, then the leagues without them will become more competative, we might even see the f a cup back to as it once was.

I personally think after a few seasons, they would miss us more than we would miss them.

{Ed002's Note - The leagues would need to be restructed and there will be fewer professional sides.}

30 Apr 2020 21:10:54
If you are losing 6 or 8 max from the Premier league, those slots could be filled, you look at the likes of Leeds, West Brom, Sheffield Weds, some more out their past big clubs that could surely regenerate the premier league.

With the elite in a European league, this could revamp the Premier league and make it more competitive.

I do not think it would be a huge loss, the Premier league as you say will be restructured and the leagues below them.

{Ed002's Note - You are missing the point that the money would be a lot less and the clubs would be of less interest to broadcasters.}

30 Apr 2020 23:10:50
I doubt the broadcasters being less interested in showing Premier league games, we get two games a week live from the lower divisions already, the money would be less, that should drive transfer fees and wages down.

There is only so many players, the elite clubs can sign, leaving plenty to go around the other major leagues.

It might actually get back to a spectator sport, where fans once again become a main source of income for clubs.

{Ed002's Note - Right, the 1950s.}

01 May 2020 06:51:23
What are evertons chances of being asked to join the european break away league Ed? If I understand rightly, would there be 2 divisions of Euro league? Surely EFC would be asked to join the second division?

{Ed002's Note - Sorry but no. Currently their are 21 sides (the "elite" sides so to speak) involved in the the discussions Danny of which one has already said they will not be involved and four remain undecided. The initial breakaway will come from this set of clubs and eventually they expect to be a second tier of perhaps 16 in each. Everton are currently ranked 87th in Europe so it is most unlikely even if the rankings were to come in to play.}

01 May 2020 13:30:28
Not going to happen there is no way the premier league brand would be broken up just to serve a European league it’s just to big it may suit fifa as other leagues don’t generate the money the prem does.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with FIFA.}

01 May 2020 13:35:19
The premier league is the brand it is because of the excitement it brings not just from the 4 or 5 teams at top it’s everything from relegation to seeing new clubs come up like Blackpool and Ipswich over the years we loving watching it because it does throw up everything, in other leagues they only want to watch games between the big clubs.

{Ed002's Note - Clearly you don't have any grasp of the game at all.}

01 May 2020 16:19:57
agree with ed 002 hate saying it we are not good enough to get an invite an on the record where not even consistent enough in the prem for top four or even the europe league places last trophy 1995 says it all if am honest.

01 May 2020 17:02:32
Well if it happens the way ed says it will, they have lost me as a football supporter I won't be going or watching any football again think I will be done with it all, the life has already been sucked out.

{Ed002's Note - You have a few years to go before it happens unless UEFA do something particularly stupid.}

01 May 2020 17:18:30
Well a humble evertonian can only hope the club uses the next 4 years as an opportunity to climb from 87th place in the rankings and hopefully be asked to attend the party, things are, to quote Mr Bowie ch. ch. ch. changing, time will tell if it's for the better or not, but I have to admit as an everton fan I am full of anxiety over the future, it's clear we are not an elite club, and time is running out for us to become one.

01 May 2020 19:12:24
I get the feeling your not very often wrong ed. But on this one I hope you are very wrong but I bought it.

02 May 2020 05:10:39
I'm living in Thailand now. I'm only mentioning that as the 6-7 hour time difference between the UK and Thailand has affected my viewing patterns

I still watch all the Everton games. Everton is my team and I would want to watch them whatever league they are in, whether it be Premier, the Championship or even lower
Where my viewing has changed though is when I was in the UK I would watch any Premier game that was on the box but now, when it is being shown late evening or even early morning if it is a UK night match most times (even a top of the table clash) I can't be bothered to stay up. I think any cross time zone league would struggle for the same reason. Is there any other sport that has shown that such an arrangement works? How many supporters say they support their team but are not as bothered about their national side playing in the world cup or similar international tournaments

I'm also not interested in watching different leagues in different countries. I don't watch Barcelona even though Messi plays for them. I don't watch Juventus just to see Ronaldo. I want to watch Everton and the teams they play

I have 3 grown up sons in the UK - all of them deserters who don't support Everton. If I was a broadcaster the thing that would worry me is that they are all less interested in football than I am. It's a very, very small sample but I believe interest in football is on the wane. The gap between players and normal people is widening

I think the TV channels and the top sides can see this and so they are looking to develop new viewers but the new viewers they want are in the developing markets such as China, the US, India, Asia Pacific etc. Personally, I believe the new viewers they will attract will not be as big as they think due to time differences and will not compensate for the the viewers they will lose such as myself, other Evertonians, Newcastle, Wolves, Napoli, Schalke, other team supporters who want to support their team, not some team 100's. 1000's of miles away with no 'connection' to them.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all of that bw, i too have 2 sons who are deserters so i what you mean and i would not watch the breakaway league either mate if everton were not involved..

02 May 2020 09:46:26
Good valid points there BW.

02 May 2020 18:09:59
There's one other point I'd like to make. I think the days of mega money TV deals are beginning to come to an end. In Thailand I have an Android TV box, readily available from Amazon or any other internet selling site and here in Thailand, it is not illegal to stream live sporting events so I can get SKY, BT, BEIN Sports, NBCSN and a myriad of foreign sites showing the matches live without me paying any fees except standard internet access. I could also get these on any Android phone with the right APP. It's the same throughout Asia and the TV companies have tried but failed to stop this growing trend.

It's not legal to do this in the UK but it is done. I learnt how to do it whilst in the UK. There's been attempts to stop people doing it in the UK but it's being done more and more and, as I said it's common place in Thailand and all through Asia

TV companies are going to see revenues dropping because of this and the corona virus will compound it. Will pub landlords continue to pay £100's, £1000's to show football if they are half full due to social distancing. Will fans continue to pay high subscriptions that only widen the gap between themselves and the clubs/ players or will they move more and more onto streaming sites, legally or illegally

There will still be advertising revenues but will they be able to sustain their fees

I'd be very surprised if the revenue from games can be maintained long term

Also, has anyone thought about the travelling fans who go to away matches? How are they going to afford the increased costs or find the additional time away from family/ work, never mind the new restrictions to travel caused by Covid 19.

02 May 2020 19:09:18
In regards to your queries about fans travelling BW24, I think in terms the elite clubs in England Man united, Liverpool (grits teeth) , Arsenal, Spurs etc, I think they have a large majority of fans who travel from overseas just to attend their home games, so short haul flights to Spain, Germany, Italy and France etc will not be a huge problem, all jokes aside about Liverpool, but their Norwegian contingent pay absolute fortunes for black market tickets, they earn very good money over there, and England is far cheaper for Alcohol, Food and accommodation etc, the harsh fact is that football as a spectator sport is becoming unaffordable to the English working class, the clubs want out of town/ foreign fans because they spend more money.

03 May 2020 01:15:36
BlueDanny -You are right about fans from abroad travelling to home games and I'm totally unclear on the numbers but that is totally different to travelling to away games. The location of home games are the same every match so airlines can put extra flights into their scheduling and fans can also regularise their accomodation, For away games it is a different city every week. Flights won't be as plentiful so more expensive, accommodation will have to be arranged, possibly at a premium. Sure, a good travel agent can do most of this for you but how many of our away support drive or coach to matches, don't stay overnight and lose a day of their weekend, not all weekend.

I believe regular away supporters will decrease without any increase in fans going to home games from abroad - unless of course the new leagues are unsuccessful and there are therefore more seats available but, if they are unsuccessful, why would they want to go?

One thing we do agree upon is that the game is becoming unaffordable to the English working class. Long term that might be it's death-knell.

28 Apr 2020 07:35:32
Hi Ed’s, any truth is the rumours of us trying to sign Tobido? Various sources claiming we are sorting out a €20 milllion fee, is there any truth or just usual garbage?
Many thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Jean-Clair Todibo (CB) will only be sold with a buy-back clause and €25M - plenty of interest but Barcelona do not see him as good enough - will be available in January and is being offered around to clubs including Everton, Inter, Manchester United. But Milan have had talks but concerns over injuries saw a lower bid made and rejected. Interest from Bayer Leverkusen and Southampton. His agent has offered him to Napoli as a Kalidou Koulibaly replacement. It is plausible that Everton has made an approach to Barcelona but I cannot confirm it.}

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28 Apr 2020 11:43:47
Thank you Ed keep up the good work and stay safe.

{Ed002's Note - And you.}

28 Apr 2020 13:07:05
Is it likely that this would see the end of any pursuit of Gabriel or is it plausible we could be looking at 2 CB’s this window? .

{Ed002's Note - Clubs generally have several players under consideration for positions they need to fill.}

28 Apr 2020 20:07:47
Hopefully we’ve learned from our previous search for a centre back when we seemed to only be looking at zouma. Good to have a few options as hopefully one or two come off.

 


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