Everton banter 2

05 Nov 2025 21:32:36
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05 Nov 2025 15:02:01
Just been reading Stuart mcCalls take on Harrison Armstrong, he said he's better than he envisage, he's maturity is like a young jagelka, spelling sorry, how well he's liked in the dressing room, and goes on about what he does that doesn't get noticed which you wouldn't expect for someone his age, so much praise for the kid, I think we may have a star in the making with this kid.

05 Nov 2025 15:59:02
Him and Rohl in the engine room would give us a lot of dynamism Pasty. I would take both of them in the middle for us now, the way that we are playing atm mate.

05 Nov 2025 16:34:43
Good pairing that both good.

05 Nov 2025 18:58:12
And Dyche played him on the wing.

06 Nov 2025 14:00:54
moyes will hold him back if he cancels loan in january, hel sit on the bench for 8 weeks til he becomes prem ready.

05 Nov 2025 12:34:51
Don't rate either of our two strikers but agree with Swan Barry has to start over Beto and hopefully get his mojo going and score a few goals, nothing will change till the window opens in Jan but he has to have a run of games, now prove me right fella and start scoring against Fulham on Sat.

05 Nov 2025 18:58:24
Good to see some sense from you for once mate ;)

05 Nov 2025 19:24:33
Just frustration that it’s the same old every week, we can’t afford to keep dropping points something has to change mate.

05 Nov 2025 07:39:03
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04 Nov 2025 20:50:41
Away from the striker debate for a second

Why did we chase Tyler Dibling just to bring on McNeil? Our side already lacks pace and I'm aware Dibling is not really fast, but he has quick feet, McNeil has the speed of the average premier league centre back from like 2007, he's so slow. He's a one trick pony and he's as good as he's ever going to be.

Did Moyes sign Dibling, see him in training and go "oh no what have I done"? I don't get it. He needs game time, he has a lot of potential, he can play on the right or behind the striker, but he's being left on the bench. Did the club sign him against Moyes' wishes?

04 Nov 2025 22:16:43
What's his trick?

04 Nov 2025 22:28:01
It is a bit baffling. When you look at some of the players signed for far less by teams like Sunderland that are having an impact, it seems that we’ve panic bought a couple of players for big money.

04 Nov 2025 23:13:52
I hope not JB.

It doesn’t make sense to me. £90m+ on Beto, Barry and Dibling. The world has gone mad.

If Dibling and Barry come good, I’ll happily eat my words. So far, it’s looked concerning how little impact they have or why Moyes doesn’t play them. Who else could we have bought for that much?

05 Nov 2025 10:19:08
Not sure how anyone can knock a young kid that has hardly had a look in since he came here. I know all the "experts" out there will say I saw him play half a game and he was crap. Come on half a game. Like Alcaraz, Rohl and Aznou he has gardly had a look in.
Now that would be understandable if the team was playing well but their not, and it's even more mystifying given the positions these players can cover are where we are weakest.
Moyes stated that he brought McNeil on because he has been really good in training.

What are we running a school team here? McNeil is slow and very limited in what he can do, no amount of training is going to change that now.
As for the Beto/ Barry debate. If we have to continue playing one of them because that is our tactic, then it has to be Barry. Give the lad a run of games and see how he goes. Or change our tactic and use the talent you do have more efficiently.

05 Nov 2025 10:30:31
Barry, Dibling, Aznou. Moyes must have had a say in all of them (it is part of his stipulation) . Even with new finance savvy owners we didn't have money to burn on potential. Potential comes once you have an established deliverable squad surely. I don't get it.

05 Nov 2025 16:21:59
It is quite ridiculous tbh Brass. The amount of players you hear of that are "good in training", not even just in football but other sports, sparring in boxing for example and then it comes to performing under the pressure/ lights and they go within themselves and look like a different player.

It works the other way as well, where players train within themselves and then turn it on when it matters.

Forming an opinion on Dibling when he has played 4 minutes away at Liverpool, 9 minutes in a cagey 1-1 with West Ham, a half against Palace where literally the whole side, bar Pickford turned in their worst half of the season and then 4 minutes in a buried game away at City, is absolutely madness to me.

Very much the same with Aznou who hasn't even played a single minute.

Sure it could be said that they mustn't be good enough if Moyes isn't picking them but how many times have we seen it before where players can't get a look in and then under a different manager they are in the side week in week out.

I don't have to see Dibling play another minute of football again to know that he is 10 times the footballer than Dwight McNeil is. The lad could be a very good player for us but his confidence must be taking an absolute battering, which is always worse for a player in a forward position as rhythm and confidence is what they thrive off.

If the plan was never to play him, then we should have sent him straight back out on loan to a Leeds or a Brentford to carry on with his progression.

05 Nov 2025 18:38:29
Exactly BN. Young players need support from their manager, ours seem to be being ignored.

04 Nov 2025 19:48:21
And there was me thinking a point away to a 4th place Sunderland wasn't too bad a result!
It's like we're in a crisis whenever I read on here. Moyes out before Xmas and all that is rubbish.
The 3 teams we lost against are unfortunately better than us. City, Liverpool and Spurs. We drew West Ham, Villa and Sunderland and beat Palace and Wolves. Definite reality check needed.

It will take more than one window, DM's not going anywhere (unfortunately for those who still hate on the guy) and he's working with what we have and what we had to spend in the one window so far. By the looks of it he's got it wrong with Barry but he was a big factor on why Jack moved to us.
3 points against Fulham's a must and I'm personally confident we'll get them.

04 Nov 2025 20:08:00
With you on that 3 points it has to be mate.

04 Nov 2025 20:45:35
We also lost to Leeds

We’ve had 2 good performances all season, Brighton and Wolves and even against Wolves we had to hang on for dear life.

04 Nov 2025 22:30:10
We lost to Leeds after another shocking VAR call. We outplayed Villa. We could easily have a few more points on the board. There are still flashes of good play, but we look shaky at the back, and then there’s the obvious striker issue.

05 Nov 2025 10:29:40
People forgetting the Wolves disaster. What was it was said at the start of the season? We won't win the league but this team is good enough to win a cup. Really.
We are a one dimensional team, we rely totally on our two wide players, and when they are taken out of the equation as against Spurs, we have nothing.


Saying we were unlucky against Leeds and out played Villa doesn't hide the fact that Palace should and could have taken us apart, but we had a little luck in that one.
Based on this why people think we will just roll over Fulham I find baffling. They are a decent team and have a very good manager.

04 Nov 2025 17:57:11
So Swan you are vehemently against trying out any youngsters in place of our dynamic duo Beto and Barry, what is your suggestion to how we can change our front line with what we have available, Ndiaye, Alcaraz have been shot down so interested who you would pick mate.

04 Nov 2025 18:59:21
Never said they were dynamic, they are the only 2 strikers we have. No one in the league plays with either really short strikers or really un-athletic centre backs. So physically you have to match them.

Barry is a better footballer than Beto, he has no confidence, play him until January then get someone better, that simple. Even if his ability to control a ball means Ndiaye and Grealish have more space.

I also would start Alcaraz because he doesn’t leave the striker isolated, he will go up with them.

04 Nov 2025 19:05:24
It's not Swan's job to pick the team, it's Moyes's, only he hasn't got the balls to do it. He is a one trick pony. You can go on all you want about playing a youngster up front but Davey isn't the man to try something new.

04 Nov 2025 19:26:09
I would go with that Swan we simply have to change something before we get to the transfer window, but it needs to done pronto mate.

04 Nov 2025 19:55:18
I’m all for Barry getting the nod for at least the next few games.

Barring that bad miss (and it was a shocker) he did ok. Taking him off instead of letting him make up for his error isn’t going to get him into any kind of form.

04 Nov 2025 20:47:39
I think a problem Barry has is he’s going to suffer a lot from people who will just never rate him because of a bad first impression.

Not comparing the 2, just saying, there are Everton fans who never liked Lukaku the moment he signed and even to this day will insist he was garbage despite his goals.

Barry must start and stay on until he’s knackered or injured. He’s got a higher ceiling than Beto and is already a better footballer. He missed a good chance, it happens, the lad has no confidence.

04 Nov 2025 22:31:04
When he plays well, we’ll rate him.

05 Nov 2025 10:32:49
Everton supporters "give youth a chance" a little while later "he's crap we need experienced players" what are the club doing?

05 Nov 2025 18:07:25
He’s crap full stop. Nothing to do with age.

05 Nov 2025 18:40:50
Baffling ?.

06 Nov 2025 07:33:26
It’s not Brass. I’m not calling for his head or making any bold statements. He has been crap so far this season, as has Beto. When you spend 30+ million on a striker, you should expect h to be able to string his boots up.

04 Nov 2025 14:51:05
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04 Nov 2025 12:12:34
Why oh why can we not have Braiden Graham in our team, time and time again missed chances from our misfiring Beto and Barry, we should have been 3 nil up at half time last night with game over, instead we sit back after a great 25 minutes ans see out a 1-1 draw, valuable points being lost in all these games we just have to change our front line.

04 Nov 2025 14:40:15
Guernsey I'm all for giving these young lads a go but is Moyse.

04 Nov 2025 15:07:04
If he was ready or good enough to be at this level he’d be in the squad or would’ve been snapped up by someone else.

He’ll play, struggle badly because he’s a kid, then people will moan at Moyes for playing a kid with ZERO professional experience, in the premier league as a lone striker.

04 Nov 2025 15:44:51
Like they do now.

04 Nov 2025 15:58:40
Oh like Beto, Barry, McNeil etc etc who are all ready and in the squad so must be good enough, yeah right.

04 Nov 2025 16:19:42
Why only ask for our under 18 striker then? Why not just play the whole under 18s and just have Ndiaye and Grealish start?

Liverpool went on a bad run, why didn’t he just play the same team against Villa that he did against Palace in the week, they can’t have done any worse right?

This “play the kids because Rooney was great” thing is nonsense. We don’t have a single player in our academy who is going to make it in our first team. This “they can’t do worse than what we have” thing sounds great until they actually play and you realise, oh wait, they can do worse and you’ve also killed their confidence.

Our fanbase has no patience for youngsters, if we play Graham against Fulham, he’d be isolated, he’s also tiny with no pace, he’d get boo’d off at half time and fans would be chanting for Beto or Barry the whole game.

I remember this stuff with Cisco Junior, “he can’t be worse than what we have”. Moyes started him against Leeds in the cup and it was one of the worst performances ever displayed by an Everton player and he never played again.

If they are good enough, they are old enough, we do not have anyone with that level of talent or even physicality. We already leave our 6 foot 5 striker isolated and you want to throw up a 5 foot 8 17 year old upfront on his own because “he also won’t score so why not ruin his future”.

04 Nov 2025 16:47:23
We will never know mate if we don’t try, at the end of the day a couple of games would not hurt, see what they have got, because what we have at the moment i xxxx.

04 Nov 2025 17:07:35
Graham also plays in an under 21 side who have beaten recently by the likes of Tamworth, Doncaster, drawn with Brackley town. Hardly screams give them a chance in the premier league XI. Comparing giving them a chance to someone like Rooney is night and day. But yea let’s throw him in and possibly ruin any chance he may have.

{Ed025's Note - no one is saying he will pull up any trees JW but surely a cameo from the bench with 10 minutes or so to go wont do any harm mate, lets be honest he has to be better than that waste of space McNeil and our 2 planks who pretend to be strikers, and you never know..

04 Nov 2025 17:11:53
The coaches do know though don’t they, they watch every game. If Graham was better than Beto or Barry, he’d be straight in. Moyes wants to win games as much as we want we want the team to.

04 Nov 2025 17:24:46
I agree to a cameo here and thereED025 but people are talking like he needs to be starting. Players like dibling who we paid a decent amount for, aren’t even getting that.

So there’s no hope for anyone else. Do think we have to cut our losses with them 2 in January and try bring in an Ivan Toney or someone like that. But this is Everton.

{Ed025's Note - i think we may have to pay clubs to take them Jam, but its not just the forwards because they are so isolated and for me we need a marauding No 10 who can receive the ball in the middle from our wide men and run at defences, all this hoof the ball up to the big man and hope for 2nd phase ball is old hat mate..

04 Nov 2025 17:45:21
I wouldn't expect the likes of BG to be starting if selected in a squad but, as Ed says, giving them ten mins here and there can't do much harm. It might even give the other two a kick up the arse knowing that they aren't just competing against each other.

04 Nov 2025 17:52:33
Richy please.

04 Nov 2025 18:21:48
And there lies the problem Ed. We play a loan striker punting long balls up to him and expect him to produce. And for all those shouting for Richarlison back I can remember him having the same problems when he was a loan striker.
Ed is correct it is pointless playing this formation if you don’t have a ten to support him.

{Ed025's Note - we have nothing productive in the middle BMD, we go wide and stay wide so its easy to double up on Jack and Illy and this negates any progress towards goal, to be honest mate its not much better than what Dyche served up no matter what people try to tell us, we are so 1 dimensional and im afraid thats down to the manager..

04 Nov 2025 18:22:44
Be a gamble that GB and they would want cash for him. Watched him a few times, certainly lost pace and as a No9 he is chasing shadows. Loved the lad when he was with us but his 60 mill did a bit for our PSR. Quite a few in the Championship putting the goals away.

04 Nov 2025 19:06:55
I don’t get this “he has to be better” mentality. Players can always get worse. What would Graham actually be able to do upfront? He’s too short to win headers, so that’s already the one thing we expect crossed off the list. Is he really strong? No. Well maybe he can be like Defoe and be dead fast and a lethal finisher right? Well, no, he isn’t fast and his goal record isn’t anything remarkable at any level.

We’ve bought him to move him on for a small profit, that’s it. He isn’t premier league standard and never will be and before someone says “well is Beto? ” No, but Beto has scored goals, not many, but if Graham played the games for us Beto has done, I’d be amazed if he had 1. There are levels to this.

04 Nov 2025 19:49:43
I think it's more of a 'can't do much worse than he has to be better', swan. Barry might be over 6ft but he looks like he could do with a good meal inside him and I don't think he is ready for this league either. There's nothing that I can add to the Beto debate that I haven't been saying for over a year, he needs to be sold in January.

We knew that we had to muddle on until January the second the summer window closed but I still expected both of our forwards to contribute with goals. Sadly, their inability to finish even the simplest of chances has hampered us and has potentially cost us points in the games so far. Everyone is fed up and rightly so, no matter which opinion us fans have. Some blame the manager, others the players but, regardless, we still have to muddle on until the next window opens. Hopefully the striker predicament is solved then.

04 Nov 2025 11:07:28
I recall people saying O'Brien must not be ready as Dyche sees him in training every day. Look how that worked out.
Now we have people saying Dibbling and Aznou can't be ready as Moyes sees them in training everyday. So we churn out the same side week on week, and give players like Alcaraz and Rohl the odd 10-15 mins here and there.
He has Tarkowski as our captain, a player so out of form he shouldn't even be in the side. We lack a leader on the pitch, someone who is going to have a go when we start falling back.
When Barry missed that sitter nobody went over to him and showed him any support or encouragement.
Recently someone on here said they would never have a player like Roy Keane in our side.

Yet that is exactly the type of player we are lacking.
Think about it who is the most vocal player in our team right now? Probably Pickford, and he only shouts after making a save.
No lack of leadership on the pitch is killing us. Last night showed it we played really well for the first twenty minutes pressing high up the pitch. Scored a goal and then started dropping deeper and deeper. Not one player stepped up and drove the team on. They just all disappeared into their shells and fell back into their old routine.
And what was said at half time to change this, by the look of it nothing. Moyes has to find that leader in the team and it's not Tarkowski.

04 Nov 2025 12:09:47
Can't argue with any of that

The problem is. who is there? I don't like goalkeepers as captains so I wouldn't like Pickford being captain and no one else stands out as captain material except Tarks.

04 Nov 2025 13:30:48
Jack or Garner could do the job.

04 Nov 2025 13:38:59
GB neither are captain material mate, and agree wouldn’t want Pickford doing it.

04 Nov 2025 14:34:41
Dunno till we try thought Ndiaye at first.

04 Nov 2025 14:52:23
Barry?

04 Nov 2025 15:04:12
Pickford is a consistently good performer and motivator. He could be captain.

04 Nov 2025 15:49:52
I really can't think of one player who could step up and be a leader on the pitch. Pickford just shouts at people and does a lot of finger pointing. Ideally you would want it to be a midfield player, someone who can carry the team forward. Can't think of one at the moment though.

04 Nov 2025 16:16:33
Pickford! BMD is right. Kean?

04 Nov 2025 10:45:28
At risk of repeating my own and numerous other comments, no matter how often Moyes switches Beto and Barry the results will be the same, DIRE! What have Rohl and Dibbing done to warrant constant omissions and what's with the not Premier league ready comments. We need a radical rethink of team set up as we are being found out week in week out.
We have players like Alcarez, Rohl, Dibbing to name but a few who struggle for game time.

Play Grealish, Ndyaaye, Alcarez and Dibbing together in whatever permutation up front, Rohl, Kdh and Garner midfield and put some of the younger hungry players on the bench like Graham. Beto and Barry are not Premier league ready are they. Who knows the youngsters may surprise us. Please for the love of god stop playing the same 2 donkeys week in week out.

{Ed025's Note - that is an insult to Donkeys everywhere YY..

04 Nov 2025 12:17:36
He haw he haw always does mate.