Everton Banter Archive February 05 2018

05 Feb 2018 23:06:19
Scarey now fellow fans. We are playing the worst football in the prem at the moment. Something going on behind the scenes in my opinion. It was a nap that we would see Lookman doing well. How on earth is that fraud Sneiderlan still in the team. What a joke!

05 Feb 2018 21:52:32
del boy looked good tonight and played 90 mins?

05 Feb 2018 21:49:16
Can't understand why we didn't go back in for deulofeu? . Also Docoure should be someone we are looking at for the summer imo.

05 Feb 2018 20:49:08
Does anyone else think it's quite ironic that, after buying so many no 10s in the summer, if Siggy gets injured we don't really have a replacement no10 as such.

{Ed025's Note - we can put 2 of our number 5,s together smit..

05 Feb 2018 21:01:03
Is that not what we did against arsenal ;)

05 Feb 2018 21:35:02
I find it staggering that Klaassen is completely overlooked. Just watched Lookman score for Leipzig, he will be a star for some team, unfortunately not for us.

06 Feb 2018 08:01:31
It comes down to how coaches (Manager) make decisions and evaluate players performance. The most baffling I have heard so far is Alardyce comments on Tosun 'He is struggling to adapt to the Premiership', how many times have we seen him? I advocated Sam's appointment (in all honesty, who else wanted us in turn) but some of his comments and decisions have bordered on the inexplicable.

05 Feb 2018 20:08:51
Almost all posters have consistently both identified and covered the cause and reasons behind our dismal displays this season.
So please excuse my post if it duplicates points made by fellow bloggers.
The team selection and tactics are the total responsibility of SA and whilst in his words the performance was pathetic so indeed was his as manager.
If you consider what! s gone before it is fairly obvious Holgate and Keane perform much better when paired with Jags.
At the Emirates the back five and DM were lacking in pace and their positional sense was non existent. At times we had six players to Arsenal's three and they tore us apart!
Too many players are going through the motions and in Sneidalin's case if he thinks pressing is standing two or three yards off the opposing player is good enough he is badly deluded. Gana is left with far too much ground and work to compensate.
All defending players were constantly caught out of position and the galling thing was not one bust a gut to recover his position.
Bolasie has flattered to deceive after a decent performance against Liverpool and should only be used as an impact substitute until he is fully match fit and to replace Walcott instead was a ridiculous decision as was SA reason for so doing.
IMO I feel the players are lacking in fitness and if professional athletes with the latest technology cannot be expected to play two and in some cases one game a week they should read the article on Duncan Edwards in today's Daily Mail which explains during two years of national service he was required to play on Monday and Wenesday before the army would allow him to play for Man United on Saturday and he was 18 years old at the time and already represented England!
Says it all about our cosseted 'stars'.
The squad is lacking in the basics and that is down to both coaching and professional attitude. i have previously posted on the need to understand that football is about movement off the ball both in offensive and defensive situations and those sentiments applied at the time to improve Ross Barlkley's Impact which Conte has picked up immediately at Chelsea.
As we are stuck with the present squad until the summer my message to SA is:
Focus on improving the fitness.
Instill the basics into the squad with the focus on movement, positioning and passing accuracy.
Pick a settled team with Jags central to the defence along side Holgate.
Give Tosan a run of six games to see if he can cut it in the Premiership - we didn't give Sandro, Klassen and Lookman a fair crack of the whip and have done no favours to Siggy playing him out of position.
I would go with:
Pickford
Coleman
Holgate
Jaggs
Mangala
Gana Banningme
Davies/ Rooney Sigudsson
Walcott Tosan

With DCL, Vlasic, Kenny, Bolassie as impact substitutes.

05 Feb 2018 22:19:26
Pickford
Coleman Holgate keane jagielka
Geuye Rooney
Walcott Sigurdson Calvert-lewin
Tosun.

06 Feb 2018 01:05:19
Should have a bit more of a chance with 12 starters. mate school boy error. Not sure how you've done that but it's 11 allowed on the pitch at any one time.

06 Feb 2018 02:30:33
Myteansbetterthanyours: he clearly wrote Davies and Rooney with an oblique (a slash) between them so they’re alternatives. Schoolboy error not reading the punctuation. ;-)

06 Feb 2018 08:45:16
bloody heck have I just seen someone put jagielka left back.

05 Feb 2018 11:40:40
Oxford get Unsworth, and we are stuck with Sam.

Good luck to DU, I hope he is very successful.

05 Feb 2018 13:02:01
Best wishes to Rhino, this job could be the beginning of his journey back to his beloved blues.

05 Feb 2018 18:21:12
New we would lose du once you get the bug of been manager of senior team it's hard to go back to u23 s.

06 Feb 2018 06:43:59
His wife does realise that Oxford is even further away than Birmingham?

05 Feb 2018
New image uploaded to the
Everton Player Sightings page entitled, Take me back please

05 Feb 2018 09:41:08
reading in the paper there our away record at the top 6 since 2011 won 1 drew 14 lost 29 with 29 goals scored and conceding 87 taking 17 points from a possible 132 depressing reading that someone pass the prozac.

{Ed025's Note - its a true reflection of where we are billy..

05 Feb 2018 09:55:25
Ed025 looks like we're still taking a knife to a gun fight.

{Ed025's Note - more a balloon on a stick than a knife i would suggest billy.. :)

05 Feb 2018 20:33:20
Wasn't Sam supposed to be bringing a sports psychologist in? I mean, how is that working out?
We've been sold a pup.

05 Feb 2018 21:38:23
smit, he is an advocate of sports science principles, whether he uses a sports psychologist or not would normally not be in the public realm.

05 Feb 2018 08:39:57
Palace home this week, personally I would love to see a change of tactics, this has to be a win nothing else will do, so why not 4-4-2

Pickford
Coleman Jags Mangala Garbutt
Walcott Gueye Siggy Bolasie
Tosun DCL

Let the defenders defend and push for a more attacking style of play, press higher up the pitch and not sit deep inviting teams on to us.

05 Feb 2018 09:21:58
I don't think that changing the formation again will fix this (although as professionals they should be able to adapt) so I would go back towards the Leicester game.

Pickford
Coleman Keane Jagielka Garbutt
Davies Gueye
Walcott Rooney Bolasie
Calvert-Lewin.

05 Feb 2018 09:31:06
palace could completely overrun us if we play 4 in midfield considering the quality of attacking players they have, i'd rather see a 451 with schniederlin playing as the anchor and letting gueye run free alongside with him, siggurson in the center and bolasie and wallcot down the wings with tosun playing as a striker.

or play rooney alongside gueye and try him out as a deep lying play maker and play walcott down the middle, it would work like

Pickford
Coleman Keane Jagielka Garbutt
rooney gueye
bolasie siggurdson calvert lewin
walcott.

{Ed025's Note - you say schneiderlin playing as the anchor yet dont put him in the side?, i dont know if this a mistake as he should be nowhere near the side mate..

05 Feb 2018 09:31:13
thoughts?

05 Feb 2018 09:42:48
oh no ed, i gave two different sides, the first goes like
Pickford
Coleman Keane Jagielka Garbutt
schniederlin gueye
bolasie siggurdson walcott
tosun.

05 Feb 2018 09:42:55
sorry for the confusion!

05 Feb 2018 09:41:59
The trouble with this formation is we sit to deep the defenders rely on the defensive midfielders to much and we invite the opposition on to us. It didn't work for Martinez or Koeman and it has not worked this season. Perhaps our players cannot adapt to it?

05 Feb 2018 09:45:07
the lad has undeniable quality, who else would you play in that role? i think most of these players need the team to be playing well to play well themselves, we've lacked cohesion all season, for whatever reason i still want to ease davies into the starting 11,it might do more harm than good honestly.

05 Feb 2018 09:46:08
no our problem is that we've negated the midfield too much, at arsenal we basically parked the bus instead of opting to stifle their midfielde which is where their attacks come from in the first place, it was quite stupid because of the pace and quality they had.

05 Feb 2018 09:46:29
and it worked quite well for koeman in his first season didn't it?

05 Feb 2018 09:55:28
I think we all need to forget about Garbutt now, everyone keeps putting him in their starting XI, me included.
I think it’s safe to say he is not going to play there must be a reason for this which the club are not saying. I can’t believe any media aren’t asking these questions when we have the prematch news conference.

05 Feb 2018 10:18:34
with the 442 or like Man City who play 433 you defend from the front, strikers shut down CB's and wingers shut off the full backs, you push the back line higher up the pitch. The problem when we play the 4231 is we sit to deep and seem not to know who we are marking when it gets crowded out. Arsenals short quick passing tore us apart and no one seemed to know who they were picking up!
Watch Man City when the play 433 and see how the press the game much higher up the pitch, yet their only defensive midfielder is Fernandinho.

05 Feb 2018 11:13:09
do we have the personell to do that though? tosun (with all due respect to the turkish league) is probably not capable of that in this league, and calvert lewin has a tendency to drift off wide which just opens up space for palace.

05 Feb 2018 11:14:18
you could also make the case for us starting to play like barcelona if you compared other teams but we simply do not have the personell for a higher press so we need to keep things compact yet fluid as possible.

05 Feb 2018 11:21:12
how dare you use common sense haha i would be over the moon with that 11 mate.

05 Feb 2018 12:15:08
I would personally like to see
pickford
coleman keane mangala garbutt
gueye
davies rooney
walcottt tosun Sigurdsson

we played this formation against west ham Huddersfield nufc and Liverpool away, then switched it up and got worse.

05 Feb 2018 18:11:51
gueye is just as crap as schniederlin at the moment 2 defensive midfielders that are afraid to throw a tackle in and offer nothink going forward arsenals midfield walked right past them without either of them getting to them or throwing a challenge in its horrendous they offer no protection for the back four or offer anything going forward apart from a pass to the back or side chelsea have the same problem playing kante and bakayoko we are not going to win anythink playing either of them in midfield don't get me wrong gueye is good he's a good tackler when he plays well but he can't play football he's the type of player you bring on as a sub when your winning 2-1 with 10 minutes to go.

05 Feb 2018 20:40:36
He's an anchor alright. Round our necks.
And technically speaking, we have to have a formation for us to be able to change it.

05 Feb 2018 04:26:25
We love having Mr Moshiri (and his money) , but would it be totally wrong of us if we start questioning him. The appointment of Koeman, Walsh and Allardyce PLUS the huge spending on underachieving players must lay (at least in part) at his door?

05 Feb 2018 07:44:43
To be fair Bobby. Koeman wasn't a bad manager. He got us to 7th last year and played some of the best attacking football from December to May that I've seen at Goodison for a long time. A huge influx of players and losing our two most influencial players have caused the issues now along with his public slating of the players.

We all thought Walsh was a good fit and his success at other clubs suggested he was going to a massive benefit. However, for me the role of DOF is a step way too far for him. He also doesn't seem to have anyone to answer to and managers don't seem to be in a position to question the players or positions he is going for.

As for Allardyce. He was the fans choice. Everyone panicked and thought we needed him. They simply went for populism instead of a longer term solution.

So at the time the MAJORITY have wanted these appointments and he delivered.

Maybe now is the time to have his own mind and take proper advice on our next appointment.

{Ed025's Note - im not so sure that sam was the popular choice john but i do agree that the DOF post is one of great concern, the common denominator in our decline seems to be the recruitment of average players who dont seem to fit into any sort of system, too many N0 10,s and the lack of strikers and quality defenders created a square peg in round holes mentality, that and the need to use young players to fill voids when they were not quite ready has created a mishmash of ideas that have just not worked, mr moshiri has been a godsend to the club but his naiveity on this issue has not helped one bit, im not blaming him solely as there are others at the club who should have stepped in to help mate..

05 Feb 2018 08:29:20
tend to agree wit you there Ed025, I think Silva would have been the fans number 1 choice but at the time he was unavailable, whether he will be approached for the future we will have to wait and see.

05 Feb 2018 21:35:37
I second all that ED. He wasn't my choice either but many fans just panicked and called for him to be given the job.

As for Walsh. I'm amazed he has a job. The players are good but he's not buying a team. Intead it's just a bunch of individuals. For me he needs to go and we either get in a DOF that is proven or we don't have one at all.

{Ed025's Note - well we dont have one now john!, we have a glorified scout who has ideas above his station masquerading as a DOF and thats the same as a bin man performing open heart surgery, farhad should be getting better advice from the likes of bill, elstone and woods to be honest mate..

05 Feb 2018 03:52:50
Who (be realistic! ) would be your short-list of three to be come Everton manager at the end of this season?

05 Feb 2018 09:11:13
1st Rafa
2nd Dyche
3rd Silva.

05 Feb 2018 09:23:24
1st Dyche
2nd Dyche
3rd Dyche.

05 Feb 2018 09:37:01
I think we may struggle to get Dyche though as he’s just signed a new contract. Also if they finish 7th and into Europe he would want to stay.

05 Feb 2018 11:22:35
1) Fonseca (shaktar)
2) Sarri (napoli)
3) Marcelo Gallardo (river plate)

i no gallardo is left field but plays good football and as a player and a manager has won a league or cup with every team he has represented.

05 Feb 2018 03:29:31
Do we really need a Director of Football at Everton? IMHO, all we need are a head of player recruitment, a head of the academy, an U23s head coach, and a first-team manager. The board should set the strategy and identity of the club. Discuss. ‬.