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16 Feb 2018 15:18:30
we are not a big club, what is a big club? what do you define it by? is it how a football team affects the modern game? or is it the fan base, history? can there ever be a scientific criteria to quantify a football club as such? No, it's a grey area where everyone seems to have an unfalsifiable justification which delves into meaningless ranting and denigrating your debating counterpart.

it's meaningless, it's only something people who support the more successful sides say to inflate their sense of self worth because they have so much of their identity invested in a sports team, and the sides who don't do as well trying to hold onto a flailing sense of superiority, it simply does not matter. instead what would be more benefitial is to find ways to accumulate success so the love you feel for your team is remains in the present.
i don't even know why i went on this diatribe to post it here, i'm out.


1.) 16 Feb 2018 17:30:40
i would like the people who downvoted my post to give a constructive opposition to my argument, and the reasons they downvoted it for.

2.) 16 Feb 2018 18:38:19
I would worry about the thumbs down. There's obviously a few playing games. I don't bother with it anymore.

As for a big club? I suppose it's the criteria. Could be number of fans, number of trophies, CL wins, reputation or money.

I think in the business world it's generated income. For us fans it's success. For teams like us it's long term success and for teams like Chelsea and City it's recent success.

Are we a big club anymore? I don't really care. If we win a trophy I imagine we will become a little bigger in some eyes though.

3.) 16 Feb 2018 18:47:47
*wouldn't worry.

4.) 16 Feb 2018 19:43:17
People play games with the thumbs down thing mate. don't worry. Some of us are now seeing who can get the most thumbs down. Big club? I don't think we are in the scheme of things anymore. We have the potential to be a big club again. but it will take time. I would guess regular European qualification. Regulat trophies. A fan base that sustains all of the above. I am afraid that Everton FC had the opportunity in the late 80's to invest and grow. It also had another opportunity mid 90's with Joe Royle. and in both occasions chose not to invest. Peter Johnson is one reason. However, we were just unfortunate that these were important times and had the wrong people in charge who did not see the opportunity. However, things could have been worse. Leeds United were also a huge club at the time of the formation of the Premier League and gambled heavily investing in a huge expensive squad. and then failed to qualify for Europe and therefore missed out on the revenues that came with Champions League football. They nearly went bust!

5.) 16 Feb 2018 20:04:03
Evertonthings don't worry about thumbs down down mate, there are a few on here who no longer read posts and just give a thumbs down to the person.

Degsy is right there are a few who now see how many we get for fun. If I said a wheel was round I would get at least 5 thumbs down, that's 3 less than I got for saying bullying in any form is wrong. I know or should I say I strongly suspect who 2 of them are but they just are not worth worrying over. Take pride in the thumbs down as thanks to some they have become meaningless.

6.) 16 Feb 2018 20:10:11
You are spot on with that analysis Degsy although I suspect it was more of a failure to spend when we were banned from Europe. We sat back thinking the ban would continue its full course and got caught out when it was relaxed and English teams were suddenly allowed back in. We just seem to of been playing catch up ever since.

7.) 16 Feb 2018 21:35:13
I for one down voted because I don't agree. I'm not going to justify my vote. Will the hurt and needy stop being passive aggressive because their view or comments are not the popular nirvana the poster assumed.

8.) 17 Feb 2018 02:31:58
To those who mentioned the thumbs down reaction, why are you so bothered about it? Whether people do it just to wind you up or whether they just don't agree, it shouldn't matter at all. Unless you are just writing stuff in the hope of getting a thumbs up, not that I am suggesting any of you do, to be accepted for what you say. Screw that, as long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react.

9.) 17 Feb 2018 03:42:13
lol, my intention wasnt hitting out at anyone, i just wished to stimulate discussion on this topic, so constructive feedback instead of just liking or disliking what i said would be more interesting to delve into, also i've been on the internet since i was 10 so i know how this works :p.

10.) 17 Feb 2018 07:38:11
If you wanted a discussion, why did you finish with “I’m out”?

And why did you make the post so wordy? It only makes your point difficult to understand, maybe that’s why you had a few more thumbs down than you were expecting.

My point of view is that we are a big club. A club having so many innovations down through history, so many successes and a club spending more time in top flight football than any other team. Yes we are a big club, and my heart beats out of my chest every time I am reminded.

11.) 17 Feb 2018 11:01:22
"As long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react. "

Does that statement include me bluepotao?

12.) 17 Feb 2018 11:30:32
Evertonthings I know where you are coming from. Whether people agree or don't agree, is irrelevant. However, I also like to hear a constructive point if someone disagrees with a post I put on. eg I say Walcott is our best signing for ages. then someone gives a thumbs down and says, "Degsy you are talking crap". Well that sort of winds me up. If they said well Walcoot is always injured or has no pace or a constructive discussion point I will accept that. But "Degsy you are talking crap" is not constructive. So I geet what you are on about. Added to which, this is indeed a banter site. not (in the words of Monty Python) an insult site!

13.) 17 Feb 2018 18:45:34
Evertonthings. My Grandson walked out against Young Boys holding Jags hand. Lots of photo's taken (as you would) , two weeks later, driving home, Grandaughter (don't you love em) shouts out from the back seat, 'Grandad, '*****' has something to tell you but he doesn't want to upset you'. He still supports the 'Dark side', yet is quite happy just this week to attend the NAC with Everton. I have to believe he will in time revert once again to the true Team of Liverpool and not the Norwegian contingent.

14.) 17 Feb 2018 19:22:30
Evertonthings, come on lad, why do you comment on this board or any other board, is it to collect brownie points? Of course it isn't. Personally I have had enough, no reflection on any individual. But that is enough for me. I wish Everton a successful rest of season and of course I am there at all the home games.



14 Feb 2018 10:25:51
the onlyreal things which would convince me of sam allardyce staying at everton next season would be his matches against pep and benitez, these are two managers which are arguably amongs the best in the world (maybe benitez has fallen down the pecking order) , i'd like to see him show optimism vs city and go for it rather than what he did with arsenal, and if we manage to convincingly beat newcastle (performance wise) i'll be open to giving him another season.




09 Feb 2018 18:31:09
oh and apparently jose baxter is contracted to us




09 Feb 2018 18:29:31
alright, let's do an analysis of our situation right now

the owners-i don't think anyone can critiscize them barring from a few appointments (appointments which everyone thought were good appointments i.e walsh and koeman)
the manager-sam has never undertaken a project quite like everton and has always been at clubs to give them stability, and not much else
the team-full of quality, most if not all have been vied by the top 6 at some point in their careers i.e rooney siggurdson schneiderlin walcott (napoli wanted to take klassan so he must be good) etc etc, so not much is wrong on the team front
so where do we go from here?
our mistake is obvious, for the first time in our lives our football team had dosh to spend and we spent it like mad, buying every name that came up on the newspaper and who had an above average season last, we bought into the hype of walsh and what he'd managed to do with leicester, and we broke our record (twice i believe) for transfer signings which at the time surpassed what arsenal paid for ozil
we just have no structure, it reminds of chelsea in 2010-2013
they had recently bought hazard, a number ten when at the time i believe they needed defensive midfielders, so what do they do? they buy another number 10 in oscar and just pump the team with talent with no real idea where it goes or when they're supposed to play
our main problem was, we didn't go for established players and overbought, koeman isn't a bad manager, there's a reason he's hired by the dutch national team. and there is a reason he was the manager last season after guiding an underqualified southampton side to consecutive 6th place finishes, we did great business last year in bolasie schniederlin etc which no one can argue ended up improving our team. hopefully the higher ups have learnt from this and instead of just buying any player that's hyped up they look to do something more structured and sustainable, we will never be like real madrid and their galacticos, we're simply not that marketable and its unlikely that we'll ever be, so we will never be able to simply "buy" our way to success. slowly and steady wins the race i guess.


1.) 09 Feb 2018 19:12:00
Pretty good analysis mate. We need a rebuild with a strong man at the helm. Moyes-esque but born winner I feel.

2.) 09 Feb 2018 21:59:35
Funny how we see things differently. I see it as a very poor squad. I believe only one natural left footer. I also see Coleman as a great player but coming to the end of his career. as are Baines and Jags. Coleman has maybe a couple more seasons but the other two this is probably their last. They were in a team that got us to 6th/ 7th when surrounded by other decent players. But now we have Schneiderlin. I have never seen him have a great game for any of his clubs. Sig is decent and great at set pieces (most of his assists with Swansea were set pieces. ) and we seemnot to have the attackers to regularly make the most of his free kicks/ corners. Niasse is quite terrible but works his socks off. Bolasie is greedy and full of pony tricks but hardly ever scores and rarely assists. Rooney is on his last legs but is class. Gueye is great at breaking up the oppositions play but rarely is constructive going forwards. Kenny and Martina are full of errors and cost goals. Pickford is top quality. Walcott is class. but not consistent all the time. Klaasen has shown nothing to me yet. but maybe I am being unfair as he has hardly figured. Tosun looks ok but again not seen much o him yet. DCL/ Lookamn will be class as will Davies. So my summary is we have some players who are ok. We have some who were great or good but are really on their last legs and we have others who are not quite ready. And this is why we are in the position we are in. Not because a manager who has just joined us is negative. We were rubbish before he arrived. We lost a 20 goal a season player and another who provided many assists and in his last season 8 goals. Those goals and assists were the difference between 1 nil losses or draws and the odd win. I don't think any manager on the planet could galvanise the bunch of players we currently have into any sort of team yet. Half are too inexperienced whilst the other half are struggling to keep going or are just not good as we thought. Schneiderlin was never in the team at Utd. Klaasen has struggled to make an impact. Sig was a star in a poor team. I have said enough!

3.) 09 Feb 2018 23:22:01
Great post Degsy. Any team with pace will do OK for me. SA sends out Lookman on loan. Imagine him on one wing and Walcott on the other? Poor Validic doesn't get a look in? Defence is a huge problem for me. Why he doesn't play Garbutt is beyond me, unless he is awful. Martina does his best for the team but he is not good enough! Getting somebody who is left footed is the priority in my opinion. On a positive note, looking forward to Coleman and Walcot causing havoc on Sat.



09 Feb 2018 18:16:15
apparently we're the only premier league club to have never been relegated and have not put in a consistent showing to challenge for the champions league places
i find this oddly amusing.


1.) 09 Feb 2018 21:35:33
We finished 4th in 2005 and went into 3rd qualifying round but lost to Villereal, who went on to the semi finals that year. Funny enough i seem to remember we spent the Rooney money not very wisely that summer and struggled for most of the season, very similar to this season, right?

2.) 09 Feb 2018 22:35:20
Not sure were you get this information from? Seven clubs have not been relegated since the premier league was started in 1992 and Everton were relegated in 1950-51 if you are talking about the top league.

3.) 10 Feb 2018 07:14:16
spurs liverpool united arsenal chelsea
its just hinting at how little progress we've made in about 26 years.

4.) 10 Feb 2018 09:45:09
Swansea and Stoke have never been relegated from the prem league.

5.) 10 Feb 2018 15:51:59
Everton together with Arsenal are the longest serving clubs in the top tier of English football, that’s the old first division and current Premier league. Arsenal have never been relegated at all.
If last weeks result was hard to take, I remember a 10-4 defeat by Spurs many years ago.




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11 Feb 2018 14:27:21
just for fun i'll be predicting our results for the fixtures after that
we should lose against man city, i think we might nick something from liverpool (not sure if its a win or not) , i think swansea will beat us, i can't really see us beating newcastle at home because i just don't think sam is good enough of a manager to break down a defence set up by rafa benetiz even with a squad with inferior talent such as newcastle, huddersfield, ehh, they'll probably be fighting for their lives so i'll say we lose there, southampton should already be relegated by then so i think we'll win at home against them and a draw at west ham.




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11 Feb 2018 14:18:01
actually, our fixtures away aren't that difficult, watford have just come back off a defeat, i think we have good chances to get at least a draw there, burnley have really stagnated for some reason and i can actually see us getting a win there, brighton at home should be a win, and stoke again are really struggling, especially considering that paul lambert has typically had a poor home record with the clubs he's managed because of his counter attacking style of football (i think it was at villa where i got this stat, my memory might be wrong and quite frankly i'm too lazy to look it up, if i'm wrong then please point it out) all in all i'd say the next few games are quite good for us.




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11 Feb 2018 12:56:23
i swear to god i saw these same type of posts after the leeicester win yet after we got mauled at arsenal everyone turned the heat back on
one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season.





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17 Feb 2018 03:42:13
lol, my intention wasnt hitting out at anyone, i just wished to stimulate discussion on this topic, so constructive feedback instead of just liking or disliking what i said would be more interesting to delve into, also i've been on the internet since i was 10 so i know how this works :p.




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16 Feb 2018 17:30:40
i would like the people who downvoted my post to give a constructive opposition to my argument, and the reasons they downvoted it for.




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16 Feb 2018 12:10:49
everton 3 arsenal 0
we were only behind a point from 4th with a game in hand, it was like everton were really going to break the proverbial ceiling from there on and for the first time you could really sense genuine optimism and euphoria instead of forcing yourself to say "yeah we can do it" just so you could maintain a faux sense of optimism

oh how wrong we were.




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12 Feb 2018 12:25:10
thank you, didn't know we had one of those :)


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12 Feb 2018 12:10:03
could you please copy paste what you wrote ed? i'm sorry for the added annoyance but i think i didn't read it and i would like to, cheers.


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