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15 Aug 2018 23:11:08
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15 Aug 2018 15:12:33
Nice interview with Brands talking about the transfers and deadline day and the challenges faced how Yerry wanted to come but other clubs made offers but we persevered with the original offer on the table
Also talked about the support from the chairman with everything going on, so another thank you to Mr Kenwright.
And was gracious in thanking the team around him like legal and the support staff who headed to Barcelona, I think we lose sight at times of all the others involved

So thank you all for delivering a great window and renewing our optimism in the season ahead.

Over to you Mr Silva and the team! COYB!

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15 Aug 2018 15:50:33
Nice postman.

{Ed002's Note - Cute buns?}

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15 Aug 2018 17:01:56
Our postman is really ugly,
Scares the heck out of our dog.

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15 Aug 2018 12:07:34
I am not trying to say I have any the facts around FFP, in fact my knowledge is pretty poor and I will hold my hands up to that!

but what I do have knowledge of is how to grow business and market shares and more often than not it is much easier with money than without it (unless you strike lucky)

The Manchester clubs Chelsea, Liverpool etc have become global brands through clever marketing and success on the pitch at the minute we don’t have success on the pitch but that doesn’t mean we can tap into the markets it will be slow but everything has to start somewhere!

To my understanding is all of this will help in the future towards creating a bigger pot of money which is consistent through FFP rules through increase annual income

Shirt sales
Increase capacity
Increased Corporate sales
Match day income
Season tickets
Ground sponsorship (naming rights)
Increase revenue through short sponsors and match day boards,

It all adds up if it’s done right, my main point on the last post is that I don’t believe it has been done right for ten years and we have missed opportunities to increase our income through being loyal to other companies regardless of cost.

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15 Aug 2018 15:02:40
I have written to Everton several times asking why I cannot but a shirt in JJB for example as all the “big” teams shirts are sold there. To limit our shirts to the shop or on line is ridiculous as we are missing out on lots of sales. Thinking about it, I never had a response from the club which in itself was poor. We definitely need to up our marketing to maximise our income.

{Ed002's Note - It is not a surprise that the club has not replied, it is nothing to do with them. Retailers will stock shirts from the clubs that will sell the best - and that is a simple matter of good business sense for them. Additionally, Everton are not missing out on any money from those sales - as the money would not go to Everton. To try and stop Everton fans getting further muddled and misled over income from shirt sales, I will explain. The money from shirt sales goes to the manufacturer (Umbro in Everton's case), the distributor and the retailer, who can make extra adding numbers and names to the shirts. If the club are the retailer (club shop, club website etc.) then they get the retailers cut. The manufacturer (Adidas, Umbro, Nike etc.) pay the club an amount each year which allows them to manufacture and sell the shirts using the correct logos etc.. That is how they justify the money given to the club. So if you walk in to a high street store and buy a Liverpool or Arsenal shirt - nothing goes to the club. There are a few clubs that have negotiated different deals with manufacturers (Real Madrid with Adidas and Barcelona with Nike are the two obvious examples) based upon joint reselling ventures. So the income from shirts is fixed to the £xM or whatever Adidas, Nike etc. pay the club plus a small amount for reselling through the club retail outlets (shop, web etc.).}

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15 Aug 2018 15:23:38
It does need to be done right and the main thing to unlock a lot of those will be the new stadium which is being worked on but is a long process
Since arrival Farhad’s team has worked on quicker wins shirt sponsorship revenue has increased with Sportspesa Angry Birds
We have sponsorship of finch farm there was an article about the sponsorship increases a while back
Also Sportspesa deal brought more brand awareness
But also while doing all this we are still doing wonders with our charity work
If yiu reflect back I am sure you can see we are on the journey so let’s enjoy it.

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15 Aug 2018 17:42:22
You can’t buy a shirt in JJB for two reasons. Firstly we use Kitbag which means online and clubshop only with the exception of a few authorised retail concessions. Secondly JJB went under about 4 years ago.

The Kitbag deal runs out next year unless it’s renewed. I’m guessing that as this was an agreement prior to Moshiri investment then its renewal won’t happen, fingers crossed. Then hopefully you’ll be able to buy an Everton shirt in any Sports Direct up and down the country.

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15 Aug 2018 18:02:41
Thanks as always Ed02 for the explanation although one from the club to explain would have been appreciated also. I was under the impression. That the deal we had with Umbro did not allow for the rubbishs to be sold at independent retailers but obviously I was wrong
Cheers.

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15 Aug 2018 18:10:36
I don't see the problem with just buying it from the club?

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15 Aug 2018 20:52:29
It’s hard for those who aren’t local Johny. Ok you can order online but what if your unsure of the size, fit etc. It really is annoying going into sport shops and seeing everyone’s kit except ours.

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15 Aug 2018 21:50:51
Cheers Toffee ace. That was the point I was trying to make and if kids want a top and ours is not available well well .

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15 Aug 2018 12:05:00
Ed001 has created a new site which is a humorous Football Player Top Trumps type site. It is on our Player Ratings site if you want to take a look.

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15 Aug 2018 10:33:39
Morning Ed’s, who do we still have on our books who are no longer at the club (Rooney, Koeman, Allardyce etc) ?

How long until we are clear of them? Ilwill it take a season, two or even more?

{Ed002's Note - We are no longer dealing with anything related to the finances on the Everton page.}

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15 Aug 2018 14:10:09
Shame.

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15 Aug 2018 15:53:44
I see you have kept trying at times ed. I see a load of blue writing and think oh god someones asked about finances haha. Tbf you have a nightmare with it on here.

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15 Aug 2018 06:31:43
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 15th August 2018

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15 Aug 2018 01:31:40
There’s a lot of talk of Usmanov and it’s going to be spun all the time by the journos about investing in Everton which would be great. But why don’t we focus on the team if anything happens there with Usmanov then great but I think we are in an amazing position in our transition right now so let’s not let the Usmanov situation distract.

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14 Aug 2018 18:48:39
question for ed002, hypothetically if usmanov bought the remaining shares available, would he be able to use his wealth at all or are we completely reliant on income? i really am not up on these rules at all so was wondering does having a rich owner make any real difference if we aren't bringing a lot on money into the club.
would usmanov be able to give everton a loan or wpuld that breach ffp?
sorry I no u dnt like talking finance but just a quick, having him would be good or his wealth is irrelevant will do ed cheers in advance.

{Ed002's Note - You are just clutching at straws about wanting a sugar daddy owner - I an not going to get in to the finances as it is simply not worth it on the Everton page.}

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14 Aug 2018 19:38:28
I don’t think his cash can do anything at the moment anyway, transfer window finished to January, stadium won’t be ready for few years so as a club income won’t be much more than what it is, it’s the bigger picture that needs to be looked at new stadium in iconic spot with a complete regeneration around it with huge growth once built, premier league money is only going in one direction up although I think the tv deal here will level out but overseas money tv deal is coming up next year I believe and that will continue to grow at a huge rate, because it is the best league in the world.
I actually think he has interests in us already.
I just don’t see Moshri being able to fund this project alone.
Spurs are not buying cause they have to pay for this stadium and running costs which will be higher, same as Arsenal had to go through.
So I would say the only way we are going to do this project is with Usmanov, just my gut feeling that it’s been the plan all the way unless Usmanov would of got full control at Arsenal.

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14 Aug 2018 19:40:31
I think too many people are getting carried away with this whole Usmanov thing. He invested in Arsenal as he felt football was on the verge of becoming a profitable venture. Yes he wanted more say in the club, but that doesn't mean he wanted to throw money at it.
Yes he has said he could potentially hypothetically buy into Everton - if he see's potential for investment profit - he will not be throwing money at us.

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14 Aug 2018 20:03:45
Steering clear of anything technical FFP

The thing about top end sports clubs (regardless of sport) is they attract very rich Man, who see them as something of a play thing or a passion. I'm not saying that these aren't ran correctly but they are certainly ran in a very unfamiliar way to any other business model.

Of course profits count, I'm not trying to say they don't but there is something else that marries an owner and a football club.

Sure this Uzbekki fella will want to be assured he can't lose money but he will want to win! He said countless times at Arsenal, he'd bank roll em to the top. (Leave me alone ed 02)

I think it was always a plan between the 2 of em. If he couldn't wrestle AFC away for himself, he would go somewhere else. FM has assured that another hot pie is ready to go.

And I don't care what rules, 2 billionaires are surely better than 1?

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14 Aug 2018 20:09:43
Im sure his credit file is better than mine. That's got to count for something when brokering a deal?

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14 Aug 2018 20:50:11
I wernt clutching at straws ed, just a question mate, if he was to come could we spend his money or not is pretty much alls I wanted to no.

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14 Aug 2018 23:55:10
We must be close to our FFP limit for the last couple of years and from what I gather it is based over 3 consecutive years.
Usmanov can't simply come in and throw an amount of cash in the pot, well, he can for other things in the club if he wishes, but transfers, wages, bonuses have to be balanced from incomings.
USM could sponsor us again like finch farm but we only have one finch farm.
If he wants to waste his money USM could sponsor the stadium or rename Goodison, USM Goodison park. Is he going to? No.
If he comes in and buys the rest of kenwrights shares, brilliant, but he won't be majority shareholder and Moshiri would still have control.
And he isn't, correction can't just spend his hard earned money buying us players, paying wages or bonuses.

Essentially we need more money from sponsors, ticket prices, selling players, tv money, success and merchandise to be able spend more.

The man city and Chelsea bank roll days are done.

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15 Aug 2018 09:28:48
Agree with you ed, everyone getting overjoyed with the usmanov rumours, doesn't really mean anything at this moment as sure we'll possible have funds but to compete with top six also needs a football side of it, we currently aren't in the position where if we matched money offered by others a big player would come to us, so slow it all down, if we came fourth one year and had usmanov then maybe you think about it, also with usmanov joining now most of his wealth input would be on the stadium and finances etc.

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15 Aug 2018 14:48:59
I feel a couple of Ed’s bar Ed25 are getting twitchy bums with the thought of money being pumped into our club and the new stadium gaining momentum.

{Ed002's Note - Another embarrassing post. The stadium is happening regardless. None of the Eds care about any money being "pumped" in to Everton - don't forget that when Moshiri arrived Everton fans were convinced he was putting in £200M in to each transfer window - it was never true, never going to happen. Now you all seem convinced that Usmanov is goining to be gifting Everton a stadium, and vast sums of money. It won't happen. He will look to buy back in to a club going forward - but he won't be buying Everton, perhaps he will look at Newcastle - but he has a far better option in mind already. You seem to live in a bizarre fantasy world.}

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15 Aug 2018 15:53:42
Funny you should mention Newcastle Ed002 because I was thinking exactly the same, he can have full control there and other than the team which he can invest in, they have everything on place with regards to stadium etc and they are also a one team city.

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15 Aug 2018 18:50:02
Any prospective buyer (Usmanov) could buy shares into Everton. Maybe even Moshiris shares and become the majority share holder, I think it was their long term plan overall. I think most understand that due to FFP now owner can just say there’s £300m next transfer window. They would see it as a long term investment. Not just a new football ground and attend games on a Saturday. It will be a mini village just outside the city centre. A stadium to hold many different events such as concerts, Hotels, casinos and a top tourist attraction for all who visit Liverpool. Tours from cruise vessels etc.

We WILL be successful on the pitch and be a global brand and once we take this step very much like Man City are now there isn’t much expenditure on players as there was in the early days. One or two signings a season. This is the vision and one that is achievable.

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15 Aug 2018 21:28:00
Love it when you get a bite, hence banter page.

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15 Aug 2018 21:46:36
No question the Stadium is going ahead regardless, seems strange though just after selling his shares, Everton stated that they will not be needing to borrow a loan from the local council, unless I have missed something and Moshi is stumping up all the money.

Whether this has anything to do with a gift to get around the FFP with naming rights to the new stadium just like Finch farm, an investment from Usmanov whether coming in or not, rich owners will always find a way around the ffp.

In regards to transfer fees, another way around this is staggering the payments over 5 seasons instead of the full amount to the selling club.

Right or wrong, clubs with rich owners will always find a way around the ffp.

Whether Usmanov has any impact, whether buying into the club, or simply helping his friend Moshi, I think there is a possibility he will have some interest in Everton Football aclub.

{Ed002's Note - Everton have found a way to cheat and get around FFP - stunning stuff.}

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15 Aug 2018 22:30:47
I see where you’re coming from about blues getting carried away when Moshiri came in, believing he would bank roll us every transfer window, and now with this Usmanov proposal. But I will say this, after decades of false promises and 0 investestment are Everton fans not allowed to get excited carried away with themselves? We’re new to this whole “having money” thing. Additionally, it’s not all Everton fans who think like this so to tar us all with the same brush is a bit narrow minded.

In response to you pinning Newcastle as a club “moving forward” and perhaps being a more attractive investment, in what capacity are Everton not “moving forward”? New stadium, new headquarters in Liverpool’s business district and landmark, restructured our corporate and management team and bought in some highly respected individuals in their given fields, as well as an exciting young manager and a glut of promising players. All seems very investable to me.

{Ed002's Note - I did not say Newcastle were “moving forward” or anything like that. Perhaps you can find a half wit to read what I wrote to you slowly.}

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15 Aug 2018 22:45:57
“He will look to buy into a club that is going forward. perhaps he will buy Newcastle”. Am I missing something here? If Newcastle aren’t going forward then why buy into them like you said?

{Ed002's Note - As in “in the future”. You are probably wasting your time trying to interpret what I write - maybe we could do a pop up version of the Everton page for you.}

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14 Aug 2018 17:22:49
Does anyone know how far away James McCarthy is from being fit? Will be interesting to see if he has a role to play?

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14 Aug 2018 18:23:10
I read December. And frankly he isn't good enough. Sure the old debate because he gives everything but he's still just not good enough. I can see him heading off next summer.

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14 Aug 2018 18:44:16
myteamsbetter are u for real mate? he is our best all round cm when fit! walks into the team.

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14 Aug 2018 19:45:46
He would limp into the team, but agree he is better than most we have.

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14 Aug 2018 20:04:34
He might have to hop in Smit666! He is a half decent player but looked so much better when with Barry who was the classier of the two. I am hoping Shneids looks better now he has Richarlison one side, Walcott the other and Gueye to support him. Added to which, Tom Davies should be able to step up this season and I reckon Kieran Dowell is almost ready for some games.

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14 Aug 2018 20:15:45
I'd also add that he is a combative midfielder who has no end product. A screamer every 24 months and a thuggish hatchet job when out of possession, of which he is reliable to give the ball away more than most too. An "all round midfielder" is just that. Goals, assists, defensive duties, free kicks, pens, creativity. I'd say he doesn't even get a mark on some of those categories.
That liverpool game has really cast him in a false light. We all loved it because no one else on the pitch looked like they have a monkies.

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15 Aug 2018 00:01:11
And Kante is one of the best defensive mids in the league and provides, no assist, no goals, no free kicks and no penalties.
What is an all round midfielder?
You can't have 2 box to box midfielders in a team.

McCarthy plays the Gana role as good, if not better when he's fit.

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15 Aug 2018 10:47:50
An all round midfielder must be like Roy of the Rovers. He can do everything better than everyone else on the pitch.

McCarthy is very good at what he does and I agree with Smit he’s probably the best defensive midfielder we have.

The broken leg he suffered was because of his commitment and reading of the game to cover defenders. Not too many midfielders in world football would be able to recover and make that last ditch tackle.

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15 Aug 2018 16:45:36
Better than Gana? Hahahahajaja you are funny.

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14 Aug 2018 16:15:36
Hey Ed with Usmanov coming out and saying he would now consider investing in Everton, can you explain in what form this would likely to be, i would really appreciate if you could explain how these investments in a football club work, many thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Nominally he would be buying 50% of the shares.}

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14 Aug 2018 16:24:47
I understand that but so given, wouldn't Mr Moshri and Mr Usmanov be equal partners and do you think both Parties (I have read that they are friends which is a help or hindrance depending on which way you look at it in business) , would be happy with that. Incidentally, I have read the Premierleague so-called FFP (in particular section E) , quite ambiguous (deliberately so I suspect) in my view and seriously open to interpretation by experienced Sports lawyers.

{Ed002's Note - In what way is it ambitious? Do you think that Everton will look to exploit it and be OK if they get caught and say got a points deduction and a transfer ban. Certainly it is far from as prescriptive as the UEFA FFP, so they can put more in as long as Everton are not intereted in palying in Europe.}

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14 Aug 2018 17:22:23
Ambiguous yes but of course I did not mean to insinuate that Everton would seek to exploit. Of course Everton are interested in playing in Europe and hopefully we shall see that relatively soon.

{Ed002's Note - Well you can stop reading the Premier League provisions and read the releavant provisions then. Oh and don't forget the amount of money Everton are still paying for Allardyce, various members of his staff, Rooney and of course Ronald Koeman that comes out of the budget.}

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14 Aug 2018 21:05:16
To be fair Ed I don't think we will have to worry about Allardyce, Rooney, Koeman's or any other historical payments by the time we get back in Europe!

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14 Aug 2018 14:32:29
With regards to the board usmanov coming in would be amazing our financial power would change over night!

But just something a little closer to home I have to say our new CEO has properly got her head screwed on,

although we have worked within restricted budgets over the pas 3+ decades and to a degree the board have had to make us stable in an ever changing markets we have made some strange decisions along the way our ex CEO being one of them, he wasn’t commercially aware and was unable to plan ahead this held us back massively I believe certainly over the last 10 years,

Step forward Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale, she has a plan and is implementing it, all the way through the club,

It all takes time but she along with Farhad laying some very good foundations.

There is an interview from her in the telegraph over the weekend a very good read that certainly show the mistakes of the last three years will not be repeated!

Just thought I would give the board a shout out as they do get a fair bit of stick somethimes


(don’t get me wrong there have been some very suspect goings on behind the scenes pre Farhad which we will never get to the bottom of but that’s in the past)

{Ed002's Note - Financial power to do what?}

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14 Aug 2018 14:47:44
Build a stadium
Upgrade training facilities
Buy better players
Increase global sales

End of the day money talks and if you have it life becomes a little easier,

Man City basically became what they are by offering unbelievable wages and getting players to buy into what they’ve we’re trying to do as did Chelsea,

Tottenham are spending zero, arsenal potentially will go backwards before going forwards, Man U still aren’t the team they were and from what I here have fairly large problems in the dressing room, Liverpool are spending big trying to catch Man City who arguably are the only team that at this moment can sustain what they are doing,

Every empire has to start somewhere Ed and this may be ours!

Onwards and upwards blues.

{Ed002's Note - So you think the club is a charity and you expect this person to gift a stadium and training facilities? I have no idea of what "increased global sales" you are referring to, and although some idiot came buy saying Liverpool are exemptfrom some parts of FFP it was BS, the owners cannot invest anymore in players that the FFP rules allow - the club has to spend the money it earns.}

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14 Aug 2018 16:27:44
For increased Global Sales, I suspect the poster meant to Market the Club more globally and attempt to increase income over expenditure, (I. E. spend what you earn) .

{Ed002's Note - How? Why?}

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14 Aug 2018 17:26:10
I believe he would be as interested in developing the land around the proposed stadium, hotels casinos, housing etc. As much as developing the club.

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14 Aug 2018 16:44:14
There are ways around it especially for the super rich, Man City have a 400m stadium naming rights from a company the owners own so that’s one way round it Usmanovs companies could do that and make it a stupid amount which enables you to spend what you want within your budget people get too bogged down with FFP, you honestly tell me Man City are spending only income that club generates from within the club ie players sold prem and champions league, no way it’s there sponsors that allow them to spend.

{Ed002's Note - I guess you simply don't get it. Tell us all about these ways around FFP. The stadium came from the City of Manchester - not the owners. Liverpool are leasing land and teamed with the local council. You don't understand sponsorship notr club income at all - and yet again we are heading down the road of ill-informed posts regarding finances from Everton fans. It is really embarrassing again - please drop the finances until Everton have plotted their approach to exploiting all of the FFP and financial loop holes.}

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14 Aug 2018 17:13:20
Well Ed, having read the Premiership FFP (I have mentioned it being as clear as mud and the field-day a competent Commercial/ Sports lawyer would have with them) , I took from them that you could perhaps meet the Leagues allowed loss and expenditure percentages limits by increasing your income. One way of doing that is surely to Market your Club/ Business to a wider audience. Man Utd et al have successfully done that for a number of years, admittedly we are starting from a 'little' further down the ladder.

{Ed002's Note - Sorry, they are clear and the clubs understand. I have no interest whatsoever in discussing FFP on the Everton page at all - it is full of supporters who will simply never understand. It causes nothing but trouble - you remember a year ago and Moshiri will be spending £200M net per window on transfers.}

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14 Aug 2018 21:22:54
One thing you are missing guys is that both MC and Chelsea had their investment prior to FFP being introduced so were able to build their brand without the constraints of FFP we cant. Any investments would need to follow the FFP rules now implemented so I imagine it will take some time to get us to a place where we can compete with the bigger earners. However I can see this management team taking the club forward within a shorter timescale than the previous team.

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14 Aug 2018 21:42:01
You say Everton supporters don't understand FFP . Are other clubs supporters more knowledgeable?

{Ed002's Note - Some are some suffer the same inability to understand FFP and indeed reality.}

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