Everton Banter

25 Sep 2025 19:39:59
Alot has been made of Tuesday, some hanging Moyes out to dry already. However it is a squad game and other players need minutes. Unfortunately we lost, which happens, unfortunately we didn't play well which happens. But that team was as strong as the team which finished strongly last season so should have done better than transpired.

25 Sep 2025 20:00:09
I thought the team was quite strong. The i watched the game. Players had chance to impress but failed to deliver. Tim should of gone out on loan instead of Armstrong. Mcneil looked lost as if he hadn't seen a football before. coleman should of been at RB and Aznou given a go at LB. Barry honestly looked like he hadn't a clue what was going on. Beto best out of a bad bunch for strikers. Would of loved a cup run in league cup as we never won it but for some reason we seem allergic to playing well and get knocked out in 1st or 2nd round. Hope FA cup is better for us and of course the league.

25 Sep 2025 20:13:18
For me we should have played the strongest side we could. It means others need to make sure when they get a chance they have to perform. We're not in Europe and our next game was 6 days away. Therefore, this stupid idea of trying half a new team was crazy by Moyes.

We had a chance of getting through and keeping us in a competition. The other thing is that our first 11 is still trying to get to know each other and another game helps that. Instead Moyes experimented with players that hadn't played with each before or not played regularly together at least, and it was against premier league opponents.

Moyes is not immune from criticism and when he balls up like he did on Tuesday, you're perfectly fine to call him on it.

I expect better from all involved come Monday and I believe we will get it.

25 Sep 2025 20:55:21
Top post John.

25 Sep 2025 23:29:49
Look at the sides Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle etc put out, were they weak teams? No. And they all won. It’s madness fielding the team we did, epscially when we aren’t playing for six day after. Should have put out a full strength team, the squad players will get minutes over the course of the season.

26 Sep 2025 07:44:49
I understand that, however those squad players need minutes for fitness as much as anything. Same moaners would've moaned if later down the line these players under perform when needed stating 'should've played more before'

I know they had 6 days till next game, I know we MIGHT have won. We might have lost then you'd all be moaning he should've rested players.

I'd liked to have seen Aznou lb
Tim has played well in games. Armstrong was right to go on loan, needs a season playing regularly. Essentially now we have Rohl as well.

It does show however that a deeper squad is needed. And that will come over the coming seasons hopefully.

26 Sep 2025 07:50:20
Just shows the gulf between our first and second Tesms, that second Team didn’t even turn up against Wolves.

26 Sep 2025 09:25:32
This is what moves said when he came here, the squad needs improving, can't happen in 1 go but our squad is better, just wish we would of got a striker who is capable of scoring now not in 12 months, Barry was alway going to struggle and think we are going to do another moyes keen, he needs time and we should of none that just watching him at the under 21s he was t great.
We need to just remember not to get carried away, if we can get top 10 that's an improvement this season, then next season push on to get higher, think everyone say European football is getting abit carried away, wolves has just proved that.

26 Sep 2025 09:53:34
Look the fact is Both Moyes and his captain made a big thing of how important the cups were going to be for the club. So is it any wonder supporters are unhappy with that team selection.
Our strongest side would have buried Wolves. Instead we allowed them to dictate the game and build confidence, then expect late changes to salvage the game.
No start with your strongest eleven, dictate the game and then make changes to close the game out. Moyes got it wrong it's that simple.

26 Sep 2025 11:32:19
Playing a weaker squad against lesser opponents in the league is more understanding that in a cup. You've 38 games in the league and can absorb a slip up but in the cup you've got one game.

However, we don't need to put players in to get fitness or minutes or whatever. Just play the best players we have and then add the odd 1 or 2 at times throughout the season. To make so many changes was foolish and he'll know it.

26 Sep 2025 13:08:58
Never going to win the Cup but League places = £££££.

26 Sep 2025 13:54:13
How is one cup game going to build and then maintain fitness when the players who played just revert back to the bench?

To add, they are professional footballers getting paid 10's of thousands a week. There is absolutely no excuse why the should not be fit. Lacking match sharpness, absolutely but fitness is complete b****cks.

The defeat was on Moyes and the players that came in. Playing Coleman LB was just madness. A midfield base of Garner and Tim is naive. Jimmy has been great but he needs a Gana next to him and Tim imo has been absolutely shocking this season. He has zero positional or defensive nous. If he plays, it should only be in the KDH role, infront of the base.

McNeil is and always has been dreadful but he got excused because he ran about a lot aimlessly.

As John and Brass said correctly, you start with a stronger side, get a footing in the game and score a goal and then introduce players that have not played games this season. Not only does it give you a better chance of winning the game but when those players come in, the pressure is relieved somewhat, as they would already be in front or at the very minimum, controlling the game.

26 Sep 2025 13:58:12
All sorts of assumptions. Any team can have a poor night collectively. Not many prior would have called it a weak side. Just because we beat em at home recently and only just doesn't mean we go away and beat em again. I agree we should have stayed unchanged and if the game went well, then make sweeping changes but they had 6 days b4 next game. Look how seriously the tip sides have taken this cup for the last 5pr 6 years. We wouldn't have won the darn thing anyway. We are one window of a 4 window rebuild.

26 Sep 2025 14:58:29
We beat them at there ground not ours.

26 Sep 2025 19:40:49
Beat them at home, not beat them at our home. Their ground.

25 Sep 2025 19:36:28
Not watching it but will be interesting to see how chermiti plays tonight in his 1st start for Rangers.

26 Sep 2025 13:09:21
He was crap.

25 Sep 2025 07:39:03
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Matchday 5 - Quick Round Up

25 Sep 2025 06:40:32
Interestingly GROK has Everton listed (Stadium, fanbase, income, titles/ trophies) as overall 7th in Premier League. Our current Manager is Moyes, had us consistently 7th/ 8th in his first spell. Who would take that now.

25 Sep 2025 06:27:54
I like Moyes but given his statement on silverware ambition, I am firmly in the confused camp on his Team selection. However, look at the actual side he put out. All/ most of us were saying prior that Dibling, Alcaraz, etc are an excellent alternative.

25 Sep 2025 07:53:16
Yes he picked the team obviously thinking we have a decent squad and will grab there chance. and didn't bother to show up then will moan to DM that they should be starting. i will back Beto and Barry but neither are up to it for me.

25 Sep 2025 12:42:17
Should have started with his strongest eleven,

25 Sep 2025 12:43:27
Agree RonMac we are stuck with them.

25 Sep 2025 14:41:28
Hopefully Moyes has learned his lesson, firstly with the Derby were the team was much too passive in the first half and reverted to booting the ball nowhere and against Wolves wear you obviously cannot make seven changes with our squad and expect to win. The squad has been improved but not to that extent. I like Moyes and wanted his return and compared with Dyche he has done wonders but the expectation from both the owners and the supporters will not be satisfied by a repeat of the tactics shown in the last two games. Hopefully we can get back to winning ways against West Ham and get at them from the first minute instead of waiting until the second half to show any fight.

24 Sep 2025 18:32:36
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Matchday 5 - Quick Round Up

24 Sep 2025 14:53:42
The media and some of the Everton fans having a go at Tyler Dibbling nah he is 19 he is not y Lamal but then nobody is right now even in our very own premier League give him time to adapt and bed in he does not get the game time because ndiye is in front of him and he is one of the best in that position in the League so Dibbling will have to earn the right which is only fair when he gets the chance has to try and grab it with both hands that's all.

24 Sep 2025 18:47:38
I agree, he’s just a lad. Wasn’t helped by the team selection last night, think he would have been better served coming and certainly not playing with McNeil, Tim and Alcaraz and were unable to pass him the ball in any decent space.

24 Sep 2025 20:21:26
Far worse players than him that night.

24 Sep 2025 20:59:53
Read some people calling him a Chris Waddle throwback. He definitely needs a proper RB to cover his absolute lack of defensive awareness. I see the reason why some have given him stick but he looks like in a proper EFC side, he'd be a very good player. Surprised how slow he is and personally he struck me as a Mcmanaman clone, light weight gangly but when coming onto the ball, able to walk past challenges. Definitely a throwback winger and quite different to JG. Hope he gets a game soon with the other ballers we have.

25 Sep 2025 19:48:41
He maybe o ly 19 but we parted with 45k for him. You don't pay that for potential. Liverpool have got a 16 year old who cost next to nothing and has already scored a winning goal in the Premier League and looks a really exciting prospect. Looks like another Everton scouting team "gem".

25 Sep 2025 23:56:35
45k that's less than we paid for Coleman.

24 Sep 2025 14:13:08
Think Moyes is a great manager, however, the defeate last night has to be placed firmly at his door.
If picking up a trophy was at, or near the top of our agender, putting out a second string side, then having to introduce, our A1 performer to try and retrieve the situation, was a sad repeat of his predececers.
Start with you best side, get a 2 or 3 goal lead, then withdrew you top performers, and let the second string see out the game .
This is not rocket science, but hell what do we know, we just pay the enormous salaries.
Apart from anything else it undermines confidence, and puts unnecessary pressure on getting a result from West ham.

26 Sep 2025 13:43:00
I like him but he isn't great. We cannot afford great.

24 Sep 2025 13:24:05
Wolves have scored five goals this season. Four of those against us 😳.

24 Sep 2025 10:20:21
Was I angry last night at that result, of course I was. But I've now had time to sleep on it and now I'm bloody furious.
Wolves were a team totally devoid of any confidence, even in the first few minutes they were all over the place. Had we started with our strongest eleven we would have buried them.
But no In typical Everton fashion we put out a weaker side and allowed them to slowly dictate the game why?
Put out your strongest side, control the game and don't allow the opposition to build any momentum. Then later in the game you can make changes to close the game out.
This loss is squarely on the manager who again got his tactics wrong. It's cost us points and now a cup run.
He really didn't need to rest players, our next game is not until Monday night, and we all know that the only chance of us ever winning a trophy is in a cup competition.
So yes I slept on it and yes I am still seething about it,

24 Sep 2025 11:03:56
Moyes is allergic to winning trophies with Everton.

24 Sep 2025 11:23:06
Rightly so BMD. It is not like we have European games to tackle as well.

Same old story and another thing Moyes doesn't seem to have learnt from since his 1st spell with us. It is the same in the league with his approach to substitutions, particularly the Wolves and Villa games.

24 Sep 2025 12:27:33
Fully agree BMD. This and the Derby are totally on the manager. Of course the manager still has my backing, but I was a doubter when he was appointed and the Liverpool and Wolves results are examples of the reasons why.
I really don't see the logic or reasoning behind last nights team selection, especially as we had played them off the park a couple of weeks ago. That performance and last nights were polar opposites. I'd go as far as to say that last nights performance was Dyche like.
Not only are we now out of a cup competition, but last nights results now puts additional unnecessary pressure on Mondays game and should give West Ham some confidence. Also, why did we keep Tim and send Armstrong out on loan? A baffling decision along with the purchase of Barry who is totally out of his depth.
I feel a few more results like this between now and Christmas and a certain Mr Carsley may be getting a call. After no-one is indispensible.

24 Sep 2025 13:08:00
These owners can be ruthless (Roma) . One observation, we are not Everton's Manager.

24 Sep 2025 07:36:19
My fellow evertonians it would be so much like our usual Everton trick of welcoming a new side to our wonderful home group in this case a really struggling West Ham team playing terribly and giving them the points on Monday and the boost they need to kick start their season happens almost every time we find ourselves facing a side rock bottom of the table and woefully out of form will Monday break the cycle I hope so but I fear the worst if I am honest I have supported this great club since 1984:and since this pattern once too much if I am honest fingers crossed for a decent performance and all three points though UTFT.

24 Sep 2025 09:16:35
I can understand the concern after last nights showing, but I think our first 11 beats West Ham on Monday. Beto in for Barry for me.

24 Sep 2025 11:23:47
Luton all over again TB. I thought this last night.