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17 Oct 2017 19:15:06
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17 Oct 2017 16:54:09
If we lose to lyon on Thursday i personally believe our europa campaign is over.
We have waited so long for a return to europe and this would be incredibly hard to take given the group we are in.
I was convinced we were easily the best team in the group but after the away debicle at atalannta and the home draw against appollon if we don't get 3 points then all remaining games will be neyond us.

{Ed025's Note - i agree pauly mate..

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17 Oct 2017 17:01:08
Respect Pauly but it didn't/ doesn't take a genius IQ to work that one out. The rub is though that Mr Koeman will still be at the Club, I even think he will be here should the result against Arsenal be negative.

{Ed025's Note - very possibly dunc..

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17 Oct 2017 17:01:26
What worries me most ed025 is the players don't seem to care.
Do they know what this means to us fans? They play like they belive they're our of their depth.
They are experienced (mainly) seasoned internationals yet they put the blue shirt on and completely forget how to play football!
Is that a fault at management level?
I just don't know anymore but something is alarmingly wrong.

{Ed025's Note - its very much a managerial thing for me pauly, there are a lot of square pegs playing in round holes and i dont believe they know exactly where they are supposed to be playing, there is no cohesion between the players mate and for that there is only one person to blame..

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17 Oct 2017 18:19:35
Well then it sounds like he has lost the dressing room (so to speak) and he needs to go by mutual consent.
I see a lot of young talent at our disposal that will ultimately leave the club rather than be made to look useless.
How sad that a club of our size that used to be one of the leading lights in club football can't get the simple things right anymore.
I know our academy is up there with ajax and Barcelona and I've heard that from good authority yet still seem to have a first team with no direction whatsoever.
I don't know what the solution is but i'm guessing it may be at boardroom level as well as management.

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17 Oct 2017 18:21:25
I'm 50/ 50 as to wanting Koeman to leave. It pains me to say this as it could destroy our season but I think we should give him until after the Leicester game to see whether he can solve this problem and if not then goodbye and good riddance. Not much out there in the way of great managers at this point in the season.

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17 Oct 2017 18:53:39
If the players don't know how to play for him then it will not change
Id say get rid now by mutual consent and give unsworth a try.
He won't do any worse and he might not be the answer but if we stay this way then the outcome will soon be a team that's deep in the mire with a manager who has resigned or sacked too late.
Make the change now and give the team and new manager enough time to salvage this season.
We still have a chance in europe but if it goes wrong on Thursday then its over and can you see us qualifying next season?

{Ed025's Note - no chance pauly..

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17 Oct 2017 15:34:15
Niasse not in Europa squad. Now Garbutt (the only genuine left back cover we've got) can't be registered till January another over sight from RK talk about forward planning! but what do you expect for 120k a week?

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17 Oct 2017 14:16:52
LUKE GARBUTT
Just read something I cannot believe .
Lots including me being asking why several players not inc in squads one of them is Luke GARBUTT now I hear he not even in the registered squad!

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17 Oct 2017 08:23:43
The way I see it, we only have two good, realistic options should we sack Koeman. One of them is Unsworth. He knows the club and would bring stability. Maybe we give it to him interim until Christmas and see where we are then.

If we got the likes of Howe or Dyche, they would still represent a risk and they have as much experience as Unsworth at managing a club of our stature and with our lofty ambitions: zero. If we go for the likes of Fonseca or Favre, then theh could end up being a Mourinho or a Pochettino, but could also potentially be a Villas Boas or a Van Gaal. The likes of Ancelotti will not come to us.

The second realistic option is Benitez. He would jump at the chance to come here, still has his house on the Wirral, has experience of winning, managing top teams and of the Premier League.

So for me it's a choice of two (although I do quite like Marco Silva if I had to pick a third, despite him not fitting the criteria I set above) .

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17 Oct 2017 09:50:03
Unsworth hasn't been given a chance because we had just been taken over (49.9 percent worth) and needed a big name in order to extend our profile. But actually I profile at the moment has been damaged. I don't think the board are going to knee jerk and see them giving Koeman until January, unless of course the unthinkable happens and we continue with this downward trend, then he will be off.

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17 Oct 2017 10:03:41
Unsworth is doing a great job with the U23's, its becoming a great development centre for young talent, if he takes over the first team, crashes and burns we have lost a great servant, he does not have the experience at this time and will need to develop elsewhere first.
Even experienced managers are struggling here, most were really excited at the prospect of Koeman, it also shows that the extra money does not always add success straight away!

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17 Oct 2017 10:50:12
Well Unsworth could not do a worse job than Koeman.

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17 Oct 2017 11:57:08
We could have an agreement that if it doesn't work out then Unsworth can have his old job back. I'm led to believe that Craig Shakespeare had the same at Leicester (not sure if it's still valid now he's permanent though) . And I agree, anything has to be better than at the moment.

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17 Oct 2017 15:47:25
shakespears just been sacked.

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17 Oct 2017 01:29:26
ed25. I know the board don't invite you in for sandwhiches and beer when there is a big decision to be made, but you don't get your infomation from listerning at key holds, so, if we get kicked out of europe on thursday, is he gone or not, your best guess!

{Ed025's Note - i think he will be given more time even if we lose to lyon JCW, but that is just a guess mate..

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17 Oct 2017 09:16:05
Ed makes the sandwiches mate? lol.

{Ed001's Note - they call Ed025 hoover because he is the one that goes round after a meeting has finished eating up all the leftovers.....}

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16 Oct 2017 18:42:10
Any day now there will be another announcement about the stadium, anything to deflect away from the tripe on the pitch.

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16 Oct 2017 19:43:55
Agree with that mate, and hopefully a new manager.

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17 Oct 2017 09:52:37
Ah another Elstone moment and you all know my opinion of him.

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16 Oct 2017 18:26:04
I don't know what the board are really thinking about Koeman, but as discussed below, it's not easy to see who would be an ideal replacement if he were to go now. None of the names mentioned so far are great choices. It seems the fans at least have not learned the lessons of our last two appointments and are still looking only at the EPL for managerial successors, except for completely unrealistic names like Ancelotti? There are some great up and coming managers round Europe at 'smaller' clubs than Everton, though we may have to wait until the end of the season for the best. The key question is what a manager gets out of the players at their disposal. Koeman has never in nearly 18 years overachieved, with the possible slight exception of Southampton. Harry Redknapp could win the Bundesliga with Bayern, we don't need Ancelotti. Not many managers could win the French Cup with Guingamp, get Monchengladbach, Nice or Leipzig into the Champions League, take Atalanta into Europe or finish 4th with Hoffenheim. We should be looking at Nagelsmann and Gasperini; the boat might have sailed on Favre, Hasenhuttl and Gourvennec. There are at least six richer clubs than us in this league so we need someone with a record of overachieving. Someone with some tactical awareness and some social skills would be good too. If it gets too far into a relegation battle, RK might have to go, but it would be very short sighted to sack him only to get in another manager who won't take us anywhere. I would go for Unsworth if we need a caretaker, but long-term, we need someone with a proven record in one of the top five leagues.

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16 Oct 2017 19:18:25
Rafa for me.

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16 Oct 2017 19:23:03
Good post coyb
Youre right about looking at managers with a proven track record
Its hard to believe that we picked Koeman for any other reason than he is a well known name.

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16 Oct 2017 19:25:00
Good post that.

What I would say is that I thought Koeman was one of those managers before he came to us. He did a fantastic job with Southampton, particularly when they sold all their decent players every season.

I thought he'd treat coming to us as his next step and an audition for Barcelona, so I really do not understand where it's all gone wrong. Surely he must realise he's going to get sacked if it doesn't turn round, while at the same time realising it's not going to turn round if he doesn't do something different. It's almost like he wants to get sacked.

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16 Oct 2017 20:00:48
Ive been thinking he wants to get sacked for some time now
Same as Bobby before him
Gets sacked massive payout
Lets face it he wasnt coming till we offered him 7m a season.

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16 Oct 2017 20:06:16
Paulo Fonseca from Shankar Donesk being talked about having done the treble last year and wanting to manage in the Premier League.
Anyone know much about him .
City Manager rates him apparently.

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17 Oct 2017 07:20:44
Very good shout. He's done wonders at three different clubs.

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17 Oct 2017 10:04:58
Could always bring Brown Shoes back. He might fancy another £10 mill pay off. Wonder what Koemans pay off is.

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17 Oct 2017 11:04:52
Southamptons set up with there director of football is what's working for them, don't they pick they coach to play the way Les Reed wants the team to play. Outside of Poch has anyone who left there made an impact anywhere else?

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17 Oct 2017 12:55:36
True enough. That's why it's ideal to look for someone who's been able to overachieve at more than one club. There are no guarantees. Rafa hasn't overachieved at Newcastle: they should have won the Championship last season. He was rubbish at Inter, where they were way off the pace having won the treble the previous season under Mourinho. He's always ready to blame the club for his own failings. I'm not saying he hasn't achieved success - of course he has, but so he should have with the teams he's managed and he's often spent a ton of money on awful players and still underachieved. I would be happy to take a risk trying to find the next Pochettino, Mourinho or Jardim if the best alternative was taking a risk on Rafa, especially given the history. Finding someone who can improve us relative to what we can spend is the only way we break into the top 6.

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16 Oct 2017 18:38:55
With a winning mentality who can restore this into the players.

Sorry for pressing send by accident twice ha.

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16 Oct 2017 18:38:05
** managerial record did not inspire me.
We have made a huge mistake here and we have never looked so bad.
I don't even know what the solution coyld be but i firmly believe that we fail when we appoint outside of the club.
We are a club that has a great tradition and we need someone that understands what it means to put on that blue shirt.
This losing streak against the "top 6" is embarrassing. We should be competing and challenging for honours. We are even further away from doing so than we were 3/ 4 seasons ago.
140m spent and we have gone worryingly worse.
We are Everton fc and this needs rooting out immediately. We need someone wirj.

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16 Oct 2017 18:32:40
Im not sure what is happening behind the scenes but watching us right now is very worrying.
The team itself has no idea how to play together.
It looks like they have simply given up.
I don't believe koeman can turn this round.
I honestly think he is out of his depth.
I didn't want koeman in the first place as his mangerial recird.

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