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14 Aug 2018 00:33:00
So after apparently ruining the transfer market for all English clubs and playing pretty well with 10 men, how important is 3 points on Saturday? Lot of fans saying give it time, patience etc, the problem when you recruit the numbers we have in the last 3 windows non Evertonians and the media will start pilling pressure on. I think it's a must win game if we are to have a genuine crack at top 6. Although it seems that goal isn't unanimous either.
What do you lads think we should be aiming for and what would you feel if we didn't get 3 points on Saturday?

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14 Aug 2018 06:59:45
If we didn’t get 3 points on Saturday I will be my normal self after a loss, pretty inconsolable. As for expectations, I’d be happy with 7th and a gap between us and 8th. With a smaller gap to 6th. With some exciting football to watch each week along the way would be a great season for me.

{Ed025's Note - i would be well happy with that ace..

14 Aug 2018 09:23:12
I think the previous transfer windows were a negative on our club. I believe we went backwards after Moyes went (please understand I am not bigging Moyes up. I am saying we went backwards after he left) . Of course other clubs have invested and moved forwards during this time. We made one or two really good signings. Lukaku and Barry spring to mind. But in general, we replaced good players with players not of the same level. Then we had the transfer window where we didn't sign a forward and seemed to sign 5 midfielders/ number 10's and no left sided players. As you all know I moaned and moaned and moaned about this, but I am pleased to say that this last transfer window was aimed at addressing the problems that the squad had. We have signed players in all the positions that I moaned were weak. We also signed players in the age groups needed for their respective positions. The only concerns I have now relate to how quickly the team can gel together and slight worries about the quality of the players we have not yet seen in an Everton shirt. One thing I am 100% positive about is that we are at last moving in the right direction again. I have no idea where we are or where we can get with this bunch of players? But I know for sure that we are ahead of the likes of Southampton and the "middle bunch of clubs". We need to now start introducing the youngsters that are coming through. Holgate in my view is a star in the making. Dowell has everything necessary to be the missing link we need. A box to box midfielder who is not afraid to run at players and even rocket one in from 30 yards. Tom Davies suffered 2nd season syndrome but believe me I saw enough in his goal against Man City to know he also has what it takes. I know lots of you think of me as Mr negative. but I see myself as Mr Realistic. And here is the key. I am now so positive about what I have seen in our youngsters, the new signings and the remaining established players. If we can find a center forward 22 year old from lower leagues or even the Irish League for about £80 grand (allowing for inflation) , we will have some team. I like Tosun, but think we need someone with more pace. Maybe Richarlison is that player? But that leaves us weak on the left again. So it is a work in progress. but at least we are progressing now. We are not going backwards and we are not standing still! To get that top 6 position, we need to keep at it.

14 Aug 2018 09:42:36
Like all Evertonians I am hungry for 3 points every match and Saturday is no exception. This season, we're only one game into it but I'd like to see the improvement we saw in that first game built upon and the new signings begin to be integrated into the team/ squad.


It might take a bit of time so I'm going to try to counter my desire for points with seeing the team grow over the next month or so. It's very early days but the shoots are already beginning to show

COYB NSNO.

14 Aug 2018 09:57:08
I know its early days, but this is probably the best chance you're going to get at breaking the top six with arsenal also in transition, however we are in it ourselves so I would also take seventh and hopefully build on that.

14 Aug 2018 10:34:20
I actually don't think 3 points this weekend is hugely important. We are a team with lots of new signings and trying t implement a new style so a short term view of 'we must win this weekend' isn't particularly helpful. More generally, I would say at no point in any season is the 2nd game a 'must win'.

Talk of challenging the top 6 is very premature considering where we were just a few months ago. Let's be patient and accept that we might not get immediate results, but what we need is an improvement over the course of 9 months, not 1 week.

Of course I want us to win every game, and of course I would love us to capitalise on our relatively gentle start in terms of opposition.

But if we play well, the players learn more about the style MS is trying to play in and show the heart and desire we showed at the weekend - and we only get a point. then it's not the end of the world.

{Ed002's Note - Whilst I remain far from convinced about the manager, I am afraid that using the excuse of transition is not really good enough. This has been the excuse that Liverpool has been using year in and year out. Most players will settle reasonably quickly - perhaps one won't and will need a little extra time but teams who don't perform will fall behind.}

14 Aug 2018 12:26:01
I have to say, transition or no transition and putting all optimism to one side. Southampton at home is always a must win game. As are a lot of our opening fixtures, these are the points that give you the platform to build on. Without them pressure will mount quickly, and the young players we want to give chances to will be pushed to one side as risks become a luxury we can't afford to take. I really think we will get those points from these games, but that doesn't mean they aren't must win!

14 Aug 2018 13:04:53
I would just like to see us keep a clean sheet. Do that and you will always have a chance of winning.

14 Aug 2018 13:45:59
ED002 echo's my thoughts but puts those thoughts a little more eloquently than I. I do not have a downer on Silva but a realistic comment, if we are/ were looking for consistency then why oh why have we gone for a Manager/ coach that including us has had 4 Clubs in 5 years and Sporting Lisbon apart (53 percent win I think) , his CV in the Premiership looks pretty mediocre and consistency not exactly mind blowing. It will take a major mindset on his behalf to change habit. Having said that, in the Premiership we should respect all the Teams whether home or away. All we can ask is that our Team does it's best and trust that our existing Manager/ Coaching staff know what they are doing.

14 Aug 2018 14:00:35
three points at home is important, any game we play is important as you just don't know come the end of the eason what them extra three points could have done, play every game to win.

14 Aug 2018 17:24:54
Ed, I take your point and agree that "teams who don't perform will fall behind".

My point is more that over 38 games over the course of 9 months we need to perform and improve. 'Improvement' from last season means being closer to the top 6 than last time, playing better football and winning more points. It also means performing better than close rivals like Leicester and West Ham.

Every win of course helps that, but if we draw our 2nd game of the season (a game we should be winning) that doesn't mean that we can't be in a better position in 9 months time than we are now.

If you take the extreme example of Palace last season. They finished 11th, 2 goals from a top half finish. That probably constituted a successful season from them and an improvement on the season before. Yet they lost their 1st 7 games without scoring a goal - the worst ever start to a Premier League season.

This may not be a transition season, but these first few weeks are certainly a transition period in the context of the season.

I was not convinced at the appointment for the same reasons ducksflysouth mentioned - however I will give him the time to make it work and don't think we should make a judgement on him until Christmas at the earliest. And we definitely shouldn't be judging him after 1 game against Southampton.

15 Aug 2018 09:00:01
This may sound somewhat irellevant but I played some semi pro football in my time and I only ever had one thought as a player that was go out to win each game, also later on as a manager the same. Thinking of a mid table finish never came into my mind preseason! Aspire to be the best, perhaps it’s fans and media that set expectations that may seem reasonable but did someone forget to tell that to Leicester 2 seasons ago?

13 Aug 2018 18:13:42
Just wondering if anyone thinks we will see any of the new boys that came in late, on Saturday against Southampton, can't see to many being out of shape because of playing at the world cup, and I would of thought zouma would of been back training anyway.

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13 Aug 2018 19:27:48
Possibly one of the centre backs either starting or on the bench with Jags suspended. Not sure how long he is suspended for though.

13 Aug 2018 22:08:30
3 games ace.

14 Aug 2018 06:54:59
Cheers glt.

13 Aug 2018 16:30:31
Even though I think it's was a bad decision to send jag's off it makes the captains armband interesting for Saturday.

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13 Aug 2018 18:07:08
Good point. It gives the other lads a chance to make that cb space there own. I hope he has a hard time getting back in the team for Everton


And we must be the happiest fans in the league after that deadline day football did come home it come home to Everton.

13 Aug 2018 19:22:57
I think the unlikely inclusions would be Gomes as injured and Bernard probably on the bench, he wasn’t at the World Cup and don’t think he had a preseason as a free agent so will likely be slowly moved in.
Zouma is the most likely inclusion from the off as he’s accustomed to the Prem and we don’t want to make wholesale changes.

14 Aug 2018 04:26:00
BillyBob I hope he has a hard time getting back in but only because his replacement has played well and deserves to stay in

Jagielka has been a great player for Everton and I'm sure you meant the same as me but just wanted to clarify it.

14 Aug 2018 09:58:47
wouldn't mind seeing zouma and keane on sat, maybe too soon for mina and Bernard, mina more than likely bench, Bernard has played 5 games all year so I don't think youll see him for a couple weeks, maybe throw him in the carabao cup fixtures well have along with gomes.

14 Aug 2018 13:48:36
Don't think it was a wrong or bad decision to send Jags off (rules of the game) but what we should expect is that, that referee/ all referees to be consistent.

15 Aug 2018 11:59:08
Only one real contender for captain for me and that's Seamus Coleman I think he has more of a presence in the team than than any other, I would maybe consider Leighton Baines.

13 Aug 2018 15:23:01
Ok. Confession time. I've been looking at Bernard's clips on YouTube. I know I know, but have you seen this guy? He's mint!

I know he's only the size of a 2018 Snickers bar, but he's so tricky and can change direction like nothing I've seen. Really looking forward to seeing how this one gets on in the Prem.

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13 Aug 2018 20:25:33
If he brings half his game to Everton, we are in for good things.

13 Aug 2018 21:03:18
Hes also pretty strong for his size and puts himself about. I'm really interested where he's going to play.

13 Aug 2018 12:10:29
Haha Big Sam saying he knew 2 months before getting sacked, he knows people who were telling him.
Guess what I'm a fan and have no inside info but I could of told him that 1st day of job that's why he was offered till end of season contract.

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13 Aug 2018 17:30:52
Sadly true, not the way to run a club.

13 Aug 2018 19:24:14
And taking all the credit when we win but blaming the players when we lose is no way to manage a team.

I find it shocking that this guy asks for upfront honesty from his employers when he has been found wanting in that department for large parts of his career.

And as for being big enough to take it, when he was caught in the act whilst coaching England all he did was say he was a victim of a sting. Couldn’t take responsibility then so I’m not convinced he’d have taken it from the club either.

14 Aug 2018 04:28:13
Let's put Big Sam behind us. He's not worth space on this site. Let's talk about Silva and the future
COYB NSNO.

13 Aug 2018 09:26:38
Good morning blues, my prediction for Saturday is a 3.0 win for the blues really impressive football we played against wolves and even when we went down to ten ten men. I'm really looking forward to the game against Southampton also the players movement has improved dramatically I like the way we are switching the play aswell Silva is going to bring a lot of joy to our faces this season coyb.

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13 Aug 2018 08:11:18
How good is it to have a manager not talking utter crap, hope it continues. Asking the team for maximum effort and pushing them, not talking himself up.

Richarlison i think will fast become the biggest fan favourite since Cahill if he keeps working as hard as he did and giving his shirt to young fans, what a top lad.

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13 Aug 2018 09:27:13
Agree 100 percent mate.

13 Aug 2018 10:45:28
Agree 100% mick the lad put a great shift in he tracked back well and helped Baines out class act the money paid for him is going to look like a snip exciting times ahead.

13 Aug 2018 19:26:04
Kit Man might not be happy with all the shirts never coming back 😂😂😂.

13 Aug 2018 07:48:40
Has anyone seen Rooney's contribution at the end of the game in the MLS this weekend? Unbelievable. Don't think I'm allowed to post links here but look it up on mlssoccer.

{Ed001's Note - DC United I think that is the vid you mean...}

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13 Aug 2018 10:57:55
Thanks Eddie. That's the one. 96th minute apparently!

13 Aug 2018 11:50:40
*Ed, not Eddie. DYAC.

13 Aug 2018 14:18:48
Has Rooney had a leg transplant. I know the yanks are extreme in body modifications but wow good job, never seen him run so fast. Well done Rooney. We still luv you.

13 Aug 2018 06:31:11
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 13th August 2018

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13 Aug 2018 00:27:12
I cannot believe big sam on Goals on Sunday he said he saved Everton and got us playing great football. I am a season ticket holder and remember a run of games over Xmas were we had 7 shots on goal, in 6 matches. He never play our young players or sent them out on loan. I truelly believed he came here for the money and had intention of staying the second season. If he had he would of never sent lookman
On loan.

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13 Aug 2018 06:36:00
To be fair Blue, I agree with what you say, but the board also had no intention of employing him a further year. He basically got double wages to keep us up, borne by the fact he was only offered an initial 1 year contract. He said he new he was out 2 months prior as did the tea lady. No doubt he played crap football but what did we realistically expect? Sour grapes for sure from him. Marco was always the target so, yes, he went for the money.

13 Aug 2018 09:15:24
Not this again.

13 Aug 2018 10:25:54
Who cares what that man says, move on .

13 Aug 2018 17:37:20
I am still embarrassed by the club and many fellow supporters to there attitude towards Sam. He came in to do a job and like any bounty hunter got as much money as he could, cannot blame him. He got treated like rubbish but kept us up.
He did say in the interview he allways did what he was asked to do at every club and they sacked him everytime. Maybe they should have asked him for more because he allways delivered.
We are still in the prem thanks to him so leave him alone.
I wonder how long before everyone slags Silva off, early days.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid your on your own with that DC..

13 Aug 2018 18:03:07
Like someone already stated, he was offered a contracted till the end of the season, he held us to ransom for a longer contract, even thou he new it was only to save us, he did very well out of it, he did what was asked, and got paid double, we owe him nothing, but a thanks.

13 Aug 2018 22:14:01
I know I am on my own on this lol but that's life.

14 Aug 2018 09:46:50
He is a tit DC.

14 Aug 2018 17:21:34
I've tried forgetting that Sam was our manager but he keeps popping up.

His ranting lately and his constant childish behaviour in calling Marco Mario on purpose just shows how little he knew what managing Everton is all about.

Bobby and Koeman to be fair to them have not been bitchy and just got on with things since they left, although with a tidy sum in their back pockets.

To be fair to him though the board should never, ever have hired him and we should never make that mistake again.

 


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