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05 Dec 2018 21:40:59
Don't know what to say . Other than we just haven't quite got it yet 2 points dropped.

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05 Dec 2018 21:56:33
Worked hard Sunday took its toll.

06 Dec 2018 00:34:41
We are a slightly above average team and ok we have had some good wins and performances recently but we are nothing special. It is because we have been so bad in recent years some are getting carried away.
I am not going to get exited yet but relatively pleased with the progress being made nothing more.

05 Dec 2018 21:40:57
Very poor tonight.

{Ed025's Note - its a game we should have won GB, the full backs were very poor going forward and the crossing abysmal, tosun and lookman were given their chance but both of them failed to take it, all in all 2 points dropped..

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06 Dec 2018 00:39:11
Digna was appalling to and Coleman seems to have lost something after all his injuries.
Richalson is greedy, he has loads of potencial but needs to mature, same goes for Lookman.

05 Dec 2018 21:56:06
Yep Ed but Lookman not the answer too may mistakes for me we need a striker pronto.

{Ed025's Note - we certainly do GB, cenk works hard but he does not have the quality im afraid, ademola is still young but we can see why marco has not been starting him in games he sees him every day mate, anyway onwards and upwards..

06 Dec 2018 06:58:27
As Ed002 I hope I am not misquoting. He said we are overstocked in some areas and by indication not enough in others. Lookman plays on the left not the right for instance. Failure to strengthen striker position means we have tried Richarlison, (not succeeded in my view) . Now having said that, we are (with a third of season gone) further along than we should be. We improved the Squad but obviously did not have the time nor did we want to do a Koeman. Despite Mr Moshri saying nothing doing in Jan, I expect a move for a striker and perhaps a RW. As others have said we are improving. I would add do not expect to much. There will be blips, that is obvious.

{Ed025's Note - with a new manager and DOF anyone who expected us to be the finished article by now is deluded BCT, not only will it take a few windows its an ongoing thing where players will be brought in and some shipped out, we have done amazing in such a short time and the difference from where we were last season is off the scale, there will of course be blips along the way like last night but that has to be expected but the club is moving in the right direction mate..

06 Dec 2018 07:35:18
Spot on Ed25.

06 Dec 2018 09:26:11
Spot on. I think we would all have taken 6th at the minute. Teams above us would all be expected to be above us. The one position they all have which we don’t is a 20 goal striker (except Chelsea maybe) .

If we can add a striker - get Gomez tied down and trim squad in Jan/ Summet I think that would be a huge step.


06 Dec 2018 09:47:14
I suspect a lot was due to the effort put in on Sunday. And the ending of that game. Mentally and physically that would have drained the players. And in a short time to recover the manager made some changes to compensate. Players were brought in who the fans wanted in. and positions that most fans wanted. But it all goes back to what I have said all season. We concede too many. Giving the early goal away puts pressure on the team. Yes we are now conceding less but as soon as you go one behind, you know you have to score a minimum of 2. That then makes you wary that you don't concede another. So stop conceding and we will do ok. But yes a million times more better than the last 4/ 5 seasons in my view. Hiccups happen!

06 Dec 2018 10:28:34
Would not be surprised if we don't get anyone in the Jan window unless we have a key injury or someone has already been identified and is available. I think Brand will play the long game and not go for panic buys. To be fair I think the squad we have is perfectly capable of finishing in the top eight and see that with the change in style as a big plus from last year.

06 Dec 2018 12:24:33
I’m not sure we can say we are conceding to many goals.
Chelsea - zero
Cardiff - zero
Livetpool - 1
Newcastle - 1
Brighton - 1

3 goals in last 5 games is as good as anyone. I think the opposite is right - only scored 4 goals in these games (2 of which vs Brighton)

I think Silva was correct in that we need more goals from midfielders - Walcott, Bernard, Gomez, Lookman in particular.

But I think we are tight at the back and goals will come with a striker - two more windows and I think we will have a great team.

05 Dec 2018 19:00:46
Please Everton win tonight - I have bragging rights all Christmas at Work!

On a serious note as we were discussing Paul Merson below and his comments. I was wondering how he dares to advertise gambling on Sky and also other online firms?

This guy wrote in his autobiography (entitled rock bottom) how he tried to break his own fingers to stop him ringing a bookie!

I wonder how the dedicated professionals Who helped him deal with this addiction feel when they see these adverts?

That's why I don't listen to a word the guy says - money over morals.

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05 Dec 2018 20:15:39
I am watching this, I cannot believe that after Liverpool, they conspire to let me/ us down.

05 Dec 2018 21:42:54
Look obviously I did not mean it as harsh as that. What can I say, it is Everton after all. Got to love em.

Wilfried Zaha

05 Dec 2018 10:14:08
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Wilfried Zaha

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Review Of The Day 5th December 2018

05 Dec 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 5th December 2018

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04 Dec 2018 18:48:42
Jose has really lost the plot coming out and saying Phenomenal Spending by Everton hmmmm, this guy is running scared, please Marco shut him up and let's finish above them (which I believe we will) bring it on.

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04 Dec 2018 19:45:44
Funny how he never moaned about spending when at money bags Chelsea.

04 Dec 2018 20:04:04
You hit the nail on the head there Nick mate, as I said he is one scared cookie.

05 Dec 2018 00:03:04
Hilarious isn't it, I hope you finish above them too and I actually think you will. I think top 6 is yours for the taking.

05 Dec 2018 08:51:20
I agree Salah. The derby performance was a signal of where we at atm despite the loss as we gave you's a run for your money against a very good team.

05 Dec 2018 10:01:44
Yes you definitely did Blue-tit, I just hope you carry on playing like that (i have no doubt you will) just do us a favour please and give City a good seeing to ;) .

05 Dec 2018 10:28:35
Yes after all he spent nothing on Lukaku, nothing on Pogba . apparently £302,000,000 net spend. net spend! Drop in the ocean to a club like ours!?

05 Dec 2018 12:57:31
Man U might run out of patience with José and sack him. Then they can appoint Ham Saladice to finish the job. Oh please, please let this happen.

05 Dec 2018 16:18:17
I have to wonder what Sam A would do at Man Utd if that happened though. Super boring, unattractive football of course, but i bet he'd grind out the results that would see them push right back into top 6. No Utd fan would be happy to watch them play but you just know he'd achieve what was desired.
Then again with the talented squad Utd have, almost any manager who comes in would have a relatively easy job on their hands for the rest of the season. It's just not working for Mourinho this year, much like his last at Chelski, and there's no real plausible reason to explain it.

05 Dec 2018 17:01:20
True Worcester, which is why I want Jose to keep there for as long as possible mate lol :) .

05 Dec 2018 20:36:50
Salah mate, there are supporters from 19 premier league clubs wishing him a long and fruitless reign.

04 Dec 2018 18:23:59
Great comment from Mourihno today about Man who's almost inevitable right to finish in the top 6.

I would love us to finish in the top 6 for obvious reasons but even more so now and hopefully at the expense of Mourihino.

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04 Dec 2018 18:39:11
Same as that mate.

04 Dec 2018 22:33:16
The special one says they should never be seventh - that's right you plonker as of tonight you are 8th.

{Ed025's Note - love it mate..

05 Dec 2018 12:44:09
I think Leicester Bornmouth and Watford will be around same points as Utd. The problem he has is he has spent a bomb on the areas he needs to strengthen. Lakaku is not a title winning forward Pogba not interested and centre backs all not up to standard. Sanchez looks a differen player. Are they just going to give him another 300 million to make more mistakes. And let’s be honest - who would want to work for him? - especially if you are top top player and City round the corner. But I hope they keep him for next 10 years - he’s rubbish.

04 Dec 2018 18:10:10
Klippitty Klopp only got an £8k fine and a warning for being a naughty boy? Not much of a detterent when £8k is like a late library book fine to someone in his position. I doubt the 'Special One' would have been treated so leniently.

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04 Dec 2018 19:58:26
In all fairness he din t try to wind or fans up let's take it on the chin and move on.

04 Dec 2018 20:24:23
He's lucky if it was a fan he/ she would have had a ban.

04 Dec 2018 21:29:06
Had that been you or me it would have been a 3yr ban AND a criminal record.

{Ed025's Note - im with irishsheedy, it was something and nothing mate..

04 Dec 2018 16:08:46
Hey guys, just wondering if anybody has any idea what price Barcelona would be looking for to make Gomes a permanent deal?
I think he's playing a blinder so yes that will affect it, but surely a bid that recoups their outlay on him is the ballpark, around £30 mil was it?
I just figure that surely they can't be too outrageous when everybody knows he is not wanted there. Yes they made a profit on Mina (player in the same situation) after a very good world cup, but still, that was a relatively fair price in todays inflated market.
Im just hoping we can pounce quick and get a deal done in Jan before more teams sit up and really consider taking him.

One final question if i may, hearing rumours we're interested in Sergi Samper. Is this nonsense due to our summer dealings with Barca? Surprised if we had a genuine interest after so many injuries but what do i know.

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04 Dec 2018 16:34:49
I think he has a £100 million release clause mate.

04 Dec 2018 16:48:20
Thanks Guernsey, steep release clause but i think he'd be allowed to move for much less than that. Wouldn't they only enforce release clauses on someone they wanted to keep? My guesstimate is if they get their money back they'll let him leave. If they generate a bidding war then still less than £50 mil. An awful lot of money yes but around the region of what we'd pay i think judging by our prices for Richarlison and Sigurdsson.

04 Dec 2018 17:26:57
Mina had a high release clause in his contract as well but got him for much less, spot on about only if they want to keep the player that the release clause would come into play.

If I was Everton, I would try to negotiate something in January before the end of the season before his stock rises further.

{Ed002's Note - They needed a non European/African place freed up for Arthur and he had not lived up to expectations. I would put any thoughts of release clauses out of your mind Nev.}

04 Dec 2018 17:43:55
Daily Star? say £29million for Gomes hmmmm.

{Ed025's Note - thats only his left foot GB.. :)

04 Dec 2018 17:59:17
£89 million so say The Times, silly season Ed 025 name your price it seems.

{Ed025's Note - very much so mate..

04 Dec 2018 17:49:15
Ed 002. Is this something Everton will try to do in January or will they wait until the summer window. Also Regarding release clauses etc, would this be a case of them being irrelevant because it’s two separate European league sides? I know your not fussed going into details with us but was just wondering if it’s due to this fact or just not something the two clubs need in the negotiations.

{Ed002's Note - I don't know and can only speculate but it is probably not well known that loans to permanent transfers are not constrained by the transfer windows as others are, so it could happen at any time if the three parties agree.

AS for clauses, maybe this will help:

This is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws. They cause a great deal of misunderstanding with football supporters and the media alike.

The "buy out clause" is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA (on behalf of the club) the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation (as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax). There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about five years ago which is why they have an exception. All players in Spain and Portugal have a release clause that allows the player to buy himself out of his contract without tax implications. This was to address a ruling from around 30 years ago allowing players a way out of their contracts. It works differently in Iberia to elsewhere as the tax implications do not make such clauses viable. All players in Iberia must have a figure set and agreed with the club. So "buy out" clauses are very rare. Related to this is the Webster Ruling but I don't intend to go in to that now.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties (clubs) are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that football Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales) for legal purposes. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club in the same country does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. For interested clubs outside of the country, the selling club may use it as a guide but are under obligation to accept a bid and may demand a higher figure. The other notable point about Spain and Portugal is that the clauses if invoked by a non Iberian club need to be paid in full by the player (there are local rules that stop tax being due) but by needing to put up 100% of the money upfront would end many transfers then and there.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another and about the legal proximity of the buying side.}

04 Dec 2018 18:13:54
I feel somewhere in the region of £50 mil would be a fair price. I guess it all depends on how keen he is to join us on a permanent basis. Fingers crossed.

04 Dec 2018 20:06:24
Great info ed but you say release clauses only work between two clubs in same country but if memory serves me correct arsenal bid 40 million plus 1 pound for suarez and was rejected even tho clause was allegedly 40 mil. Obviously we don't know the one and outs but why could this be rejected if it matched a 'clause'?

{Ed002's Note - The Liverpool owners stepped back on an agreement with the player. For another player desire of the owners and the player become relevant - so perhaps for €xM it can be done. I would put the clauses aside. Foe €40M or wahtever if the player is cool with it and then a deal can be done.}

05 Dec 2018 10:37:27
Bloody hell Ed002. That is an amazing and concise reply. I know we have differed on certain coaching issues in the past but that explanation on buy out/ releas clauses etc is second to none and I have certainly learned a lot from you on this subject. Hats off to you and thank you for taking the trouble. I was not aware of potential tax complications in particular and will say again thank you. I certainly will not question your knowledge on transfer contracts etc ever again. May dispute coaching ones as that is more a matter of opinion without rights and wrongs. but the knowledge you have here will never be questioned by me. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

05 Dec 2018 12:50:18
Thanks for explaining that for us Ed. It’s actually not that hard to underst When summarised like that.

05 Dec 2018 12:52:29
I think the release clause just needs to be ignored. It’s just a legal process. Ultimately he is worth somewhere between 35-55 million. Advantage we have is he appears to want to stay with us. Plus we have good relations with Barca.
The only thing (date I say it) which will mess it up will be the top 4 coming in for him:
Spurs - won’t pay the fee
City - don’t need him
Chelsea - don’t need him
Liverpool - he is definitely a step up from Milner and Henderson (id hate it but I think it’s possible)
Man Utd - not top 4 but I think he would definitely be better than Mata and Fellini

I really hope he signs and I think us signing a top striker and finishing 5th or 6th hopefully would convince him we are a place he can progress (my toes are crossed) - I bet his agent is busy behind scenes.

{Ed002's Note - Everton will try very hard to sign him}

Review Of The Day 4th December 2018

04 Dec 2018 15:03:50
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 4th December 2018

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