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03 Oct 2017 20:55:08
Trying to escape the entire RK debate, is anyone else sick of Roy Keane's bleating every time Jimmy Mac gets called up to the Irish squad? He always seems to have cheap shots at EFC over this issue when his Association need to take responsibility over the players welfare as well. He's been out for a while now so it is irresponsible to call him up in the first place, surely they only want a fit JMc in their squad? Keane himself admitted the player was only 70% fit but I'd bet they still give him minutes on the pitch. It's a never ending cycle of him getting injured, going through rehabilitation to get fit, called up to national team, gets injured. Instead of this constant sniping in the press, the club and the Irish FA need their heads banging together over this issue.

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03 Oct 2017 11:52:26
I'm seeing and hearing a lot of supporters wanting Rhino to be given a chance if we do get rid of RK. I think he is doing a great job with the U23's and I love the fact that he is a massive blue but I'm not too keen on him being given the reigns for the senior squad. How many ex-players from any club, who have none or little experience of managing in the proper leagues, actually make a success of being in control? Giggs and Shearer spring to mind, two great players for their boyhood clubs who failed in their attempts of managing in the premier league. There are probably more to add to that list. If Rhino, or Dunc for that matter, have aspirations of becoming Everton manager then they need to learn their trade first and foremost. Whether that be starting further down the ladder and gaining experience or, if RK is relieved of his duties, by becoming assistant to the next manager and learning the ropes from them. Either way, the stakes are very high to throw in a novice and expect them to perform miracles and break into the top four. I understand the romantic notion but I fear he would be on a hiding to nothing.

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1.) 03 Oct 2017 15:31:31
Well I would be happy if Unsworth was given Koeman's brother's job if Koeman is staying since I fail to see what the brother brings to the table. Would give Unsworth the experience and with Ferguson they could replace a "YES" man with two Evertonians who would not be frightened to let Koeman know when he was making the wrong decisions. Will not happen since Koeman and his brother are a double act.


2.) 03 Oct 2017 15:41:42
In my time watching Everton we have only won the league or a cup with ex players. Harry Catterick, Howard Kendall and Joe Royale with Colin Harvey winning the Charity Shield, Granted they learned their trade away from Goodison but there is no reason why Rhino can't make the step up, Ex player, loves and knows the club inside out, so its Rhino for me.


3.) 03 Oct 2017 16:46:46
That's a long way in the past, 1995 last trophy 22 years ago, the premier league has changed a lot and so has the pressure on clubs, players and managers.
I would not want to see Big Dunc or Unsy fall from grace in a managerial role they are not ready for, I would think Alan Stubbs is more qualified if you went down this route, U23's to senior level is a massive step!


4.) 03 Oct 2017 17:12:38
He has a 100% record as first team boss lol. He is certainly an option if Koeman departs, but have Joe Royal along side Rhino again, like against Norwich. Big Dunc is too big a risk. At least Unsworth is managing players week in week out. Who knows, Lookman may get a game and Kenny and the like be given the chances they deserve.


5.) 03 Oct 2017 18:19:38
Giggs and shearer were thrust straight into management with no real experience of managing.

DU has been slowly learning his style with our youth, it makes a big difference.

You never know if he can do it unless you take the chance.


6.) 03 Oct 2017 18:28:02
Big NO to Dunc, loved him as a player but he only got the job because he is one of Bills mates.


7.) 04 Oct 2017 08:10:05
Pep and Zidane both ex players who haven't done to bad, Zidane given one of the hardest jobs in world football and that was from the same position as Unsworth is at Everton. The way I see it is the players don't respect the man in charge and he has lost the dressing room, Unsworth is Everton through and through.


8.) 04 Oct 2017 10:22:57
its a trick one, as obviously unsworth is not a big name in world football, unlike zinedine zidane and pushing it pep, but you don't have to have been the biggest name in football to attract big players, mourinho etc.

tough thing is its a big jump into a really troubled club, Barcelona and real were stable, although massive pressure, they had the quality players there, we have glimpses of good but mostly shocker.


 

 

01 Oct 2017 22:17:15
I never wanted RM as manager and I was happy to see him go. I couldn't stand his arrogance, his over-the-top praise of his players, his positive spin on every bad performance or his constant BS in post-match interviews. Us fans cried out for someone to get a grip of the squad and we got his polar opposite to replace him. RK is a disciplinarian, no doubt about it. But he has managed to alienate players with his brutally honest opinions, Ross and Kev spring to mind. RK likes to slate his players in the press when he should maybe keep these things in-house. And today he has proved to be up there in the BS stakes in his interview after this afternoons shambles. It smacks of a man who already knows his fate. At least RM had a plan, of sorts, RK doesn't seem to have one or at least it isn't very noticeable. In the end, the thing that will get him the chop is a trait he shares with our last manager and that's stubbornness.
His team selection are predictable and tedious. We play too narrow and always with two holding midfielders at the expense of some creativity on the wings. Our FB's are isolated most of the time, having to pass backwards as there is nobody in front of them. RK bemoans the fact that Bolasie is out injured but where will he play him when fit? No other winger seems to get a look in. Vlasic was quite effective cutting in from out wide in the opening exchanges today so it is absolutely crazy that RK instructed him to play more centrally in the 2nd half.
Williams is not good enough, I wince whenever the ball goes near him, he's a liability. Martina much the same, the two are targeted by the opposition every week and we can't afford to have two weak links out of four in the back-line. Holgate and Kenny are the future and should be ahead of the other two. I'd rather they make mistakes and learn from them as they get valuable experience. They couldn't do much worse.
It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that he has lost the dressing room now and I don't think he will ever get it back. I wasn't down with the 'RK out' brigade but he is backing himself into a corner with every point we drop and I just can't see how he turns things around.
Final pooint, and I apologise for rambling, what is the relationship between Walsh and Koeman? Who sanctioned the purchases of 3 number 10's? We knew we needed a new CF months in advance so it was daft to bring in all 3 and not secure a goal scorer. Walsh needs to buck up his ideas for me too. Here's to the next home game when we go through it all again! COYB.

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1.) 02 Oct 2017 09:52:04
Hit the nail on the head. My whole issue with walsh and koeman is forget the three number tens for a min. But we all knew lukaku was off. we had the whole transfer window to get in a decent replacement and didnt. that's the issue for me. When we get high up the pitch we just don't have a target man to look for.


2.) 02 Oct 2017 10:13:50
A club's decision to buy an assist king for 45million without a target to hit is suicide. We actually bought a shoe for a footless leg. This decision alone deserved someone to get the chop. I fear the players we bought are loosing value rapidly. If we continue with this manager we could loose far more than his settlement.


3.) 02 Oct 2017 10:37:00
Superb summarization Blue Potato could not have put it better . Whole club is in free fall and has been for some time . The CF issue is beyond words and incompetence is not a strong enough word to use and as Talaghblue said if he not shown the door loosing his compensation money could be a very small loss compared to relegation .
Loose at BHA then we have Arsenal we could be doomed!
Now the players are complaining we as fans are upsetting them with our groans etc .
What's the new sponser Angry Birds more like Moaning Tarts.


 

 

 

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08 Oct 2017 23:01:54
Keep the lad and give him some game time, he needs to learn when to do things and when to pass but that will come with experience. All these links to southern teams is quite worrying, I read the lad was homesick well before any links to clubs came out. Have you heard anything about him wanting a return to London ed?

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03 Oct 2017 12:04:23
Good post GV. I have to agree that it seems RK has lost the dressing room maybe the players don't like his brutal honesty, maybe he goes over the top when calling them out in the press. But, as you say, something just doesn't seem right. I'd ignore the press speculation as to who will take over if RK does get the boot, we were linked with all sorts of managers before we appointed the current boss. Only the bookies win in that situation by throwing names in who have no chance yet fans will have a punt on them regardless. I'd be happy if RK could turn this slump around but I'm not too optimistic that this will happen. A shame really.

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16 Oct 2017 20:31:10
Even Harry Kane misses chances in big games, especially in September! Rom will come good despite what us blues think, maybe we should be talking about why our players aren't scoring, in any game never mind big games, rather than a player who has probably scored a similar amount to our team combined.

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16 Oct 2017 15:50:20
At the same time, TB, the service to him was woeful. JM set out for a draw even though the mancs have been banging goals in. Rom will always need a few shots before scoring, similar to Andy Cole who didn't fair too bad in his prime. Rom will score in the big games if the tactics are right, Jose set them up like we play against the top teams so he was never going to bag a shed load. Still a top player and has plenty of time to improve. He is the exact type of scorer we are crying out for right now.

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15 Oct 2017 19:02:39
Is there another Koeman managing a different team? I admire your optimism mate but to state he is a world class manager with world class players at his disposal is stretching it a bit. Six world class players? And another five bordering that? Crazy talk! There is no doubt that we have some talented players but the manager isn't getting the best out of them. His system, if there is one, hasn't worked in many games so far. A world class manager would be able to change things around to find a solution to this crisis. Instead RK is going down the same route as the man he replaced, his stubbornness is there for all to see. Admittedly, he took out Williams and Martina but it only goes to show that the system is flawed more so than the players. It was another dull performance with little to get excited by. I hate the reds as much as they hate us but to say we are better than them is blinkered at the very least. Something needs to change at the club, whether that be replacing the manager or ditching the director of football position. I don't know what the answer is but it's glaringly obvious that things can't just continue to amble along.

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10 Oct 2017 19:36:45
sorry ed, should have said maybe they didn't go down the exceptional talent when they bought him, for the reasons I mentioned. Wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if it wasn't true! Cheers for the reply.

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10 Oct 2017 13:55:30
ed007, I don't think the club had any urgency to get him in 6 months ago as they courted Giroud and brought in Sandro. They probably believed keeping him at Anderlecht for a season would be good for both parties. Now it is a case of needing another outlet up front as we aren't really scoring too many and the lad is hitting the net in Belgium. I suppose it's worth a go of using the exceptional talent route just to give us some extra fire power. Question is, if we successfully bring him to Goodison in January, will the club still be trying to buy another forward?

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{Ed007's Note - What I'm asking is if he wouldn't have got a work permit under the exceptional talent rules in the summer - any English team signing him would have had to loan him out to a European side - so what's changed that he would qualify for one in January only 6 months later?
I'm not questioning Everton's needs in the or anything like that mate, I'm questioning if the story in the Echo is true?}