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04 Nov 2017 14:28:43
Just read a brief article (Telegraph online) that says Panarama are doing a two part investigation over who actually owns Everton. They are questioning whether Moshiri is doing the bidding of Usmanov, breaking the league rules of having a stake in two clubs. Any eds heard anything on this? Should be interesting to watch.

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28 Jan 2018 13:24:18
Question for any of the eds, who takes charge loaning out our youngsters? I'd imagine that it is a combination of people, possibly Rhino as U23 manager, maybe even Sam and then Walsh having an input.
If that is the case then how have none of them realised that Connor Grant had already played for two teams this season yet still loaned him out to a team he isn't allowed to play for? Whichever way you look at it, it is a bit sloppy from behind the scenes. Too many cooks springs to mind and is indicative of where are troubles have stemmed over the last few months. Someone needs a rollicking over this but who will carry the can?

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{Ed002's Note - Ultimately Walsh.}


1.) 28 Jan 2018 13:40:13
cheers ed002.


2.) 28 Jan 2018 14:49:47
If that's true bluepotato it's one of the most idiotic things we've ever done, and I've seen some stupid stuff in my 30+ years being a blue.

{Ed001's Note - it is true, though Plymouth tried to take the blame for not checking it out. Obviously didn't want to upset their chances of taking players on loan in the future by upsetting Everton as the blame has to reside at the door of Everton for not realising. He is their player, they should keep track of these things, not Argyle.}


3.) 28 Jan 2018 17:12:52
bluepotato, this whole debacle became worse because as oft commented EFC (Mr Moshri/ Koeman) really wanted Mr Walsh - the Scout - I have no firm idea of the ins and outs but I suspect Mr Walsh would not come unless he got a job upgrade. Again in my view that upgrade has proven to much. If we wish (ed) to go down the DoF route, isn't it commonsense to appoint someone with experience and knowledge of that role. You just cannot sanction or bring in 7, 8, 9, players and shoehorn them into a consistent winning Team overnight. It should have been a patient and gradual process. It is truly a very sad situation, we are not going to finish higher than 9th unless something miraculous happens and unless things improve dramatically I fear for us sliding back down again.


 

 

30 Oct 2017 00:08:25
What has happened to us? Since the premier league began, we have been the poor relations. We had little cash to spend the moment millionaire owners became paupers as the billionaires rolled into town. As soon as we get decent financial backing behind us we implode spectacularly. We all looked at the previous manager but it seems that there is more than meets the eye.
We have a team low on confidence. A team that doesn't look like they know how to score, rarely working the ball into the box and taking pot shots from 30yards+. A team that keeps less clean sheets than the pontins in Southport. I hated the way RK hooked a player at half-time nearly every week, for me this just shows that he got his tactics wrong in the first place. Rhino subbed two today! I'm not bashing the latter here but surely we should be getting the team, shape and tactics sorted before the game? Without a decent out and out striker, we will continue to struggle but this can be rectified in January. Fingers crossed that we haven't fell too far behind the pack by then. Defensively we are shocking, more so than I can remember. Under DM, we were quite solid at the back but Roberto came in and took 12 months to undo that ethic. We have struggled ever since but it is more noticeable now that Rom has left. I think it is too big a job for Rhino to be expected to take on, especially with his limited experience. Get in a manager for the short-term and put DU as his assistant to learn the ropes. The club needs to be decisive over the next manager and sort this mess out before it becomes a fully fledged crisis.

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1.) 30 Oct 2017 04:04:32
Well said Blue Potato
If you look at our home fixtures from now to Xmas the hardest game is this next one against Watford .
Yes the next few are now hard games but would have been games we would expected to have won comfortably before our present crisis .
We must ensure we give ourselves a fighting chance once January comes and look to make Goodison a fortress and try not to see a big gap open up by then .
Incidentally I think and it won’t help us this year that the fixtures we started with should not be allowed in future .
Yes I know you have to play evryone in the end BUT if you have such a start and loose them it is much harder than if they were spread out evenly from a psychological point of view
We need a minimum of 17 points at halfway and then hope we massively improve from January.


 

 

22 Oct 2017 20:12:17
Where do you start with regards to that today without going over old ground? 5 at the back just doesn't seem to work for us but, if he stays and goes with that formation again, can he please put Keane in the middle of the 3 cb's? There was far too much space between him and Kenny in the first half, the senior pro's should be protecting the younger ones a bit more. I'm seriously worried if no change is made, we lack desire, spirit and any sense of attacking threat. Players don't seem to know where they should be, players are out of position and it shows. There is no passion and any confidence they did have has been sucked out of them in the last month or so. The only positive I could take today was Vlasic, when out wide, looks like he will be a good player for us.
I've seen some bad managers come and go over the years but none of them have ever made me leave the ground early, not Walker not Smith and not Martinez. But two home games on the bounce have seen me leave the ground with ten minutes to go, it's just too painful to watch. The club has serious problems on the pitch and behind the scenes and it needs to be sorted before we become embroiled in a relegation dog fight. We are lucky that, if we go on a run under this manager or his replacement, there isn't too much of a gap between the bottom and the top half of the league. I can't see where the win is going to come from though at this minute but we can only hope. The fans showed the board how disappointed and angry they are by leaving the ground in droves before the game ended, let's hope that they got the message.

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1.) 22 Oct 2017 21:07:32
We all fell into the trap of Koeman the player v Koeman the Manager being the same, myself included. A simple search on his managerial cv would reveal mediocracy and walk outs. Unfortunately I believe in Mr Kenwright and his sidekick Mr Elstone we have instability caused by reaction and an inability to be proactive. This will result in Mr Koeman staying in post until the Fat Lady has returned to bed.


2.) 22 Oct 2017 21:28:13
The only thing I was certain of when we got him was anything has to be better than RM. His walking out of clubs was a negative but I'd be happy if he did that now! I have to disagree with the BK RE comment if only because I've heard it is Moshiri himself who is backing Koeman, up until today anyway. It seems there is friction between RK and Walsh too, he has certainly done himself no favours by alienating his players and staff. It can only be a matter of time before he falls on his sword. Hopefully the Dutch FA will step in so we don't have to pay him millions in compensation.


3.) 23 Oct 2017 03:43:40
Blue potato that's the first time in 20 odd years of having a season ticket that me an me dad have left on the 80th minute. Couldn't bare to watch us get carved open so easily. Going the match has become a chore, I actually hate going now, I grew up through the terrible times of of relegation battles but I enjoyed going the match then, now I just dread it mate.


4.) 23 Oct 2017 07:00:11
I'm with you there OB, seen some terrible teams and bad managers in my time but this is some of the worst football I have witnessed. At least the bad teams of the past had a bit of fight and tenacity about them. I was lucky to be around to see the success of the 80's and I thought we could actually kick on this year with more cash than we had seen in the prem era. I dread it too mate, RK is ruining it for me at the minute.


 

 

03 Oct 2017 20:55:08
Trying to escape the entire RK debate, is anyone else sick of Roy Keane's bleating every time Jimmy Mac gets called up to the Irish squad? He always seems to have cheap shots at EFC over this issue when his Association need to take responsibility over the players welfare as well. He's been out for a while now so it is irresponsible to call him up in the first place, surely they only want a fit JMc in their squad? Keane himself admitted the player was only 70% fit but I'd bet they still give him minutes on the pitch. It's a never ending cycle of him getting injured, going through rehabilitation to get fit, called up to national team, gets injured. Instead of this constant sniping in the press, the club and the Irish FA need their heads banging together over this issue.

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03 Oct 2017 11:52:26
I'm seeing and hearing a lot of supporters wanting Rhino to be given a chance if we do get rid of RK. I think he is doing a great job with the U23's and I love the fact that he is a massive blue but I'm not too keen on him being given the reigns for the senior squad. How many ex-players from any club, who have none or little experience of managing in the proper leagues, actually make a success of being in control? Giggs and Shearer spring to mind, two great players for their boyhood clubs who failed in their attempts of managing in the premier league. There are probably more to add to that list. If Rhino, or Dunc for that matter, have aspirations of becoming Everton manager then they need to learn their trade first and foremost. Whether that be starting further down the ladder and gaining experience or, if RK is relieved of his duties, by becoming assistant to the next manager and learning the ropes from them. Either way, the stakes are very high to throw in a novice and expect them to perform miracles and break into the top four. I understand the romantic notion but I fear he would be on a hiding to nothing.

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1.) 03 Oct 2017 15:31:31
Well I would be happy if Unsworth was given Koeman's brother's job if Koeman is staying since I fail to see what the brother brings to the table. Would give Unsworth the experience and with Ferguson they could replace a "YES" man with two Evertonians who would not be frightened to let Koeman know when he was making the wrong decisions. Will not happen since Koeman and his brother are a double act.


2.) 03 Oct 2017 15:41:42
In my time watching Everton we have only won the league or a cup with ex players. Harry Catterick, Howard Kendall and Joe Royale with Colin Harvey winning the Charity Shield, Granted they learned their trade away from Goodison but there is no reason why Rhino can't make the step up, Ex player, loves and knows the club inside out, so its Rhino for me.


3.) 03 Oct 2017 16:46:46
That's a long way in the past, 1995 last trophy 22 years ago, the premier league has changed a lot and so has the pressure on clubs, players and managers.
I would not want to see Big Dunc or Unsy fall from grace in a managerial role they are not ready for, I would think Alan Stubbs is more qualified if you went down this route, U23's to senior level is a massive step!


4.) 03 Oct 2017 17:12:38
He has a 100% record as first team boss lol. He is certainly an option if Koeman departs, but have Joe Royal along side Rhino again, like against Norwich. Big Dunc is too big a risk. At least Unsworth is managing players week in week out. Who knows, Lookman may get a game and Kenny and the like be given the chances they deserve.


5.) 03 Oct 2017 18:19:38
Giggs and shearer were thrust straight into management with no real experience of managing.

DU has been slowly learning his style with our youth, it makes a big difference.

You never know if he can do it unless you take the chance.


6.) 03 Oct 2017 18:28:02
Big NO to Dunc, loved him as a player but he only got the job because he is one of Bills mates.


7.) 04 Oct 2017 08:10:05
Pep and Zidane both ex players who haven't done to bad, Zidane given one of the hardest jobs in world football and that was from the same position as Unsworth is at Everton. The way I see it is the players don't respect the man in charge and he has lost the dressing room, Unsworth is Everton through and through.


8.) 04 Oct 2017 10:22:57
its a trick one, as obviously unsworth is not a big name in world football, unlike zinedine zidane and pushing it pep, but you don't have to have been the biggest name in football to attract big players, mourinho etc.

tough thing is its a big jump into a really troubled club, Barcelona and real were stable, although massive pressure, they had the quality players there, we have glimpses of good but mostly shocker.


 

 

 

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14 Feb 2018 23:06:50
Grumpy, I think you are being a bit too forceful with your views and there is really no need to try and make out others have inferior intellect than yourself just because their opinions don't match your own. I believe Sa will be gone come the summer because the majority of fans who go the game have had enough of the insipid, dull, defensive football that this man serves up for us.

I have not been this disillusioned with the team since the walker days, we might have steadied the ship a bit but can you honestly see him kicking us on to challenge the top six teams? We only have two of the top teams to play so I expect him to win us more points ts but that doesn't mean he is the right man for the job. If he is in charge then I will happily not renew my season ticket as I can't sit through such dire, defensive football. It's not good viewing at all.

Can you explain why you really believe the board would let him build a squad for another man? It looks to me like the DoF has more say than any manager on who is brought in so I don't think Sa has much say on targets, he just names a position, maybe a specific player, and then the transfer team goes out and find targets. Our problem, as a club, is having Walsh as DoF when it is apparent to every man and his dog that his strengths lie in being a chief scout.

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06 Feb 2018 16:37:19
It was more the way he went about things to be honest johny1989, he held us to ransom for a while over a new deal which would have smashed our wage structure at the time. So to take a pay cut in the 11th hour giving us no time to replace him is a bit naughty imo. It just goes to show how fickle fans can be. Rooney left to win trophies but was castigated for many years, Arteta does it and there is nothing really said!

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06 Feb 2018 09:30:32
Arteta was a great player during his time for us, I can't question that. I do wonder why he is still lauded by a section of our fans for the way he dumped on us from a great height when he moved on. This was the man who wanted us to break the bank, back in those days of abject austerity, a man who took a pay cut to get his move.

A man who turned Arsenal down at tea time only to change his mind with an hour or two to spare on deadline day, giving us no chance of finding a replacement.
As much as I liked the player, I have lost respect for the man.

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30 Jan 2018 15:14:57
He has been poor this season without a doubt but, then again, not many in the squad have covered themselves in glory. Last season he was outstanding and proved he has the ability to play at this level. If we can get him back to last years form then I'd be happy to keep him but not taking him out of the firing line after losing form is doing neither the team nor the player any favours.

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14 Dec 2017 22:46:12
I'd like to keep hold of Sandro, if possible, as I think he should be given more time to adapt to this league. It's been tough for any of the summer signings to make their mark so far, especially trying to blend in with a struggling team low on confidence. I wouldn't be too upset if any of those you mentioned left next month, Jimbob.

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17 Feb 2018 02:31:58
To those who mentioned the thumbs down reaction, why are you so bothered about it? Whether people do it just to wind you up or whether they just don't agree, it shouldn't matter at all. Unless you are just writing stuff in the hope of getting a thumbs up, not that I am suggesting any of you do, to be accepted for what you say. Screw that, as long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react.

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16 Feb 2018 12:43:20
With this being a banter site for all things EFC, I'd rather talk about that than what you lot are up to this weekend!

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14 Feb 2018 23:28:32
Bullying is deplorable, we all seem to agree, but there wasn't enough information to come to such a conclusion. Pistone told him to eff off, DF has fronted him and told him never to say that to him again. Is that really bullying? Is it DF's fault that Pistone cried due to his aggressive words? Now, if he had taken his dinner money on a daily basis or he was hitting him every day then that is a bully. It's a non-story for me, just something that helps fill out the book of Dyer as well as all taking place at the Toon.

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07 Feb 2018 06:57:24
I'd say a lot of the fan base would be patient if the right man is brought in and hits he ground running, Bobby. The problem with all 3 of the managers you mentioned is that they have been resolutely stubborn when the proverbial has hit the fan. Playing players out of position, not practicing set pieces etc. I also believe that the problems stem from behind the scenes and this needs to change asap. We have tried the DoF route, albeit with a chief scout in that role, and it doesn't seem to work. We should either get in someone who is experienced in the position or drop it all together and we may then see some progress.

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28 Jan 2018 13:40:13
cheers ed002.

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