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Review Of The Day 18th February 2018

18 Feb 2018 05:30:04
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 18th February 2018

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17 Feb 2018 20:56:07
Ed2. I like You, I do. I know we have had our disagreements in the past but you have immense knowledge of the game and insight into football Working, which is great for us lowly fans BUT calling ALL everton fans toxic is a little extreme.
I know there are some fans who go o we the top on their vitriolic abuse of the club but most of us see the bigger picture and can see both sides of a discussion.
Surely there must be Chelsea fans (your club) and other clubs who slag the club, board, team and manager when things don't go as well as they Should?

I don't go on other clubs forums but you seem to sticking it to Everton and Liverpool fans from some comments you have made.

Just an observation.

{Ed002's Note - I don’t write the posts, the Everton supporters do. The Liverpool fans also try to deflect by trying to make everything about Chelsea. Rather embarrassing.}

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17 Feb 2018 21:18:44
I understand that ed. We do have some fans who go overboard and often write things in frustration. Just wondered if every club has fans like that or just the Merseyside clubs?

{Ed002's Note - The Merseyside club’s are worse than others - by some distance. And to be fair Liverpool are worse than Everton. Most of the other pages have a few moaners (Arsenal), morons (Chelsea) or a slightly dim support (Manchester United).}

17 Feb 2018 21:31:11
I'm glad ed. Wouldn't want it to be personal against us Scousers. Hahaha.

Suppose all clubs worldwide have their good and bad fans. Think we should just get behind the club and support whoever owns it, whoever is the boss and whoever plays for the club.

{Ed002's Note - you are very right about good and bad, but the English sides have lost the violent edge that still exists in a few countries. But when a side is struggling a bit, what they need is the fans behind them. The owners have had the fans on their backs and SA will be doing what he can.}

17 Feb 2018 21:44:40
True ed. I am glad the UK has managed to calm the hooligan element BUT still baffles me as to why other countries with huge hooligan and racist element don't get banned from European competition (Or other very strong punishment) as we did in the 80s. Uefa and fifa need to be stronger in order to rid the game of this nasty side.

{Ed002's Note - I would agree - there will be a lot watching this coming summer.}

17 Feb 2018 21:48:13
Ed002 I could hug you sometimes. I couldn't agree more.

{Ed002's Note - That can be arranged, but I don’t come cheap.}

17 Feb 2018 22:06:56
I have had my disagreements with Ed002 in the past over players and style. but I totally agree with him about the "toxic" nature of some fans. I have often stated that the term "supporter" should be self explanatory. We are supposed to support. not ridicule, abuse, slag off, constantly boo, make comments that have no foundation etc. My own personal one which Ed002 has also commented on is the way some fans constantly abuse Bill Kenwright. Anyone who has ever talked with the guy or even just listened to him talk would know exactly how passionate the bloke is. He has been accused of taking money out of the club when the opposite is obviously true. And as Ed says, some clubs would love a chairman like him.

17 Feb 2018 22:21:43
Agree over Bill degsy but not all fans will be happy with performances. We should all support the club but be able to call a spade a spade when we play poor.

18 Feb 2018 01:14:53
Mr Kenwright has strived for years to do what's best for this club when, at times, it surely would have been less stressful for him and his family to sell up and walk away. He didn't, and now his patience has paid off and we finally have someone in place with money and ambition to take us forward. It's not pretty at the moment but I firmly believe it'll all come good in the not too distant future COYB.

18 Feb 2018 07:46:26
Agree about performances Geoffjohno, but this is not what Ed002 is on about. He is on about the toxic nature of certain posters who would blame the manager, chairman or any other senior member of the club or player for anything negative with EFC. Sometimes you have to accept that things are just unlucky, unfortunate or indeed that other clubs have done better than you. It is the toxic anger that comes out and has infighting between us when we should all be supporting rather than constant criticism and almost hatred of all things Everton.

18 Feb 2018 08:58:12
I can't speak highly enough of the ED's. I'm not even sure what you guys get out of it. I'd just like to say thanks for putting up with us.

As for the club I'm grateful of Bill. He's always tried to do the right thing. He might not have had the money or the luck but put his livelihood on the line time and again.

Moshiri is learning but he needs to be more like Levy in some ways. He seems like a genuinely good bloke who's fallen in love with the club but sometimes you need to take a step back and rule with an iron fist.

Managers and players come and go. I've never been one to slate players. I'll always put my point of view across if I believe the football has been poor, formations have been wrong or if the same mistakes are being made over again.

Don't know if I would use the word toxic but there are supporters that can't accept the other side of the argument even when proved wrong (probably me) . There are supporters that are constantly negative without reason and are blinded so much that even when things are good they still see bad.

I suppose though what we are all really saying is we only want the best for the club that we love.

18 Feb 2018 09:53:47
I don't understand what you mean by "toxic" in this context. The only meaning I can derive from your response to comments is "critical" So, for example, I have said that I have not seen anything in the brief appearances of Tosun that let's me understand why he was signed particularly in the January rather than summer window. I say that because I see the January window as the opportunity to carry out urgent repairs and fix immediate problems, in our case the failure to replace Lukaku or redesign the side to play without him. In time, Tosun may prove to be an excellent signing. I hope so. However, saying that I this stage I haven't seen the signs and that I don't understand the club's behaviour in relation to Tosun, is neither toxic nor is it trashing Tosun.

18 Feb 2018 10:01:23
Good summary BJU. Perhaps people will see what Ed002 has said and you and me too. Maybe we will start using that word "perspective". Imagine being a Nottingham Forest supporter . 2 European Cups. then obscurity. Or a Leeds Utd supporter? Or even Newcastle. they are a huge club with fantastic support base. plus many others who have been in and out of the Championship/ Premiership? I still remember seeing Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea being relegated and then coming back up. We are very fortunate to have had such a long run in the top flight. Things went for us a few times. Man Utd relegated on goal difference to us. Bolton Wanderers having a perfectly good goal disallowed and getting relegated ahead of us. The Wimbledon fightback. If Moshiri keeps going with us and does not get bored, then we have a chance over probably 8 to 10 years to build a squad and get back into that top 6. In the meantime we are likely to unearth some gems of footballers, but they are likely to do what Stones, Barkley, Fellaini, Arteta, Gravesson, Lukaku and probably a few others that I have missed done. ie bugger off to a top 6 team. We have to ride that storm and keep replacing them whilst at the same time have a 10 year plan with youngsters being constantly added to. At this point I praise Baines and Coleman. because I am pretty sure they have had offers from top 6 clubs and remained at Everton when it would have been so easy to jump ship.

18 Feb 2018 10:47:38
Glennk, I don't think the toxic thing was aimed particularly at you. It is something that seems to have gained momentum and is like a mindset. Posters seem to have an agressive view that results in certain people just seeing only the negative in everything Everton. As Ed says, we are here to support and whilst we are free to comment on negative aspects, some people just seem to see only negative and nothing positive at all. I guess it is about perspective. I for one was very critical on Martinez and warned about him relying on one goalscorer and not replacing ageing players with ones of the same calibre or in the peak age group and relying on youth too much. But overall, we are supposed to support when people are trying their best to run the club. Certain people would have you believe that our manager was deliberatley losing away games for instance. that is just ridiculous. He has also been quoted as saying things which are just untrue. Bill Kenwright has been accused of syphoning money out of the club. Even Schneiderlin has been accused of not putting effort in. I actually think he has lost all confidence and is not as good as some thought. but to accuse him of lack of effort? He trains hard all week with the manager watching and he obviously thinks Schneiderlin is training hard. I could go on and on. but the pont has been made and I would now rather have debates and discussions that are real and in the words of Ed002 . not toxic.

18 Feb 2018 10:54:41
Good read Degsy,

i think you are right, No doubt you are aware we have played more games in top flight football than any other club followed by Aston Villa and then Arsenal. It is a record we should be proud of and whilst we remain in the prem no other club can take that away from us. Every game we play in the top flight is us changing the history of the game slightly and so survival must always come first regardless of how we achieve that.

At the moment we like to believe that we are the best of the rest and to some degree we are, we have had a massive blip this season and will do well to make it to 7th, if we do, that will further compound us as being just that. 7th is never going to be good enough for us but you have hit the nail on the head when you say it will always be a battle for us to keep our golden finds. It is going to take many years to break into the top 6 and even more years before we break into the top 4 with any consistency.

I strongly believe that with consistency our better players will be more inclined to stay and that in turn will help us attract the best players. (I do not mean playing style by the way as that will always be changing as we attract more managers) . With the amount of money being banded about in todays game we will always be a club that will be looking to balance the books, The £billion that Moshri has is not that great a figure compared to the monies that the top 6 clubs have at their disposal, but our spending power will also increase over the next decade.

20 Feb 2018 07:38:43
I have not read anyone accusing Allardyce of deliberately planning to lose games. I have read people saying that his selections give the appearance of prioritising some games above others. People seem to think that he does that because his financial package incentivises survival. That has been widely reported whether or not it is the case I don't and can't know. If it is then the club has made a big but common mistake in that it has incentivised something that it doesn't really want. True the club wants to survive in the league but that was never ALL that it wanted and the financial incentive offered to Allardyce should have reflected that. Nobody should be surprised that if a manager is incentivised to survive then he will make survival his priority.

As regards players and their effort, this is something that annoys me greatly. I am certain that it is extremely rare that any player does not try his best. What consitutes his best on any given day varies hugely with such things as carrying an injury and confidence. I think confidence is a huge factor in the team's performance. However, I do agree that the least that the fans should expect is that a player works up a sweat.

17 Feb 2018 17:42:12
Reports that Mangela may be out for the rest of the season. After some of the uncomplimentary posts on Twitter when he was subbed does anyone think he'll be missed?

{Ed002's Note - Good chance to get in there and really trash him.}

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17 Feb 2018 17:55:18
Ooooooh Ed002 how naughty of you!

17 Feb 2018 18:10:19
That's not why I posed the question Ed. I personally feel it's only more bad news as I'm sure we will be weaker without him than with him. Yes his first couple of games, well, one and a half, weren't the best, but I'm sure he'd have got better with a run of games under his belt.

{Ed002's Note - Sadly many folks will just trash him - like they do all of the players, staff and owners.}

17 Feb 2018 18:14:06
Thinking the same thing Degsy mate lol.

17 Feb 2018 18:18:09
He can't help himself Degsy. My ex used to swear by Evening Primrose Oil for her PMT. Maybe he needs to be on it permanently 😋😂😂.

17 Feb 2018 18:21:01
Would like to wish the guy a speedy recovery myself!

17 Feb 2018 18:27:23
Ed002 I have respect for but I have to admit the caustic wit and comments are perhaps at times a little too much. Having said that I would not wish injury on any member of any Team and in particular a member of Everton. How we can make a judgement and be super critical of Mangala when the man has only had minutes in an Everton shirt is beyond me. In this I am in agreement with Mr Ed.

17 Feb 2018 19:16:10
Absolutely right GB, I'm sure many of us do mate.

17 Feb 2018 19:25:55
Absolutely Grumpy its just the some of the snidey comments on here lately mate.

18 Feb 2018 00:54:29
Just to set the record straight like the vast majority I don't wish ill on any Everton player and I hope EM makes a speedy recovery. Maybe in hindsight the wording of my original post could have been better. Lesson learned 😀.

17 Feb 2018 08:11:49
How you can say the club has treated onyekuru badly is beyond me, lad oesnt jave work permit so loaned him to a champs league team, oh the injustice! Lookman loses the ball too much so again loaned out to a team challanging top 4 in germany, its disgusting! Vlasic has had a few run outs and looked OK i think he was bought for the future and wasnt expected to play but form of others ment he ad to play, wpuld anyone really want him starting now ahead of Walcott? How dare we not play him he's younger than theo yano its all sam hates kids he does.

Obviously there is sarcasm in my post but come on guys r we doing that badly when it comes to players? For me last time sandro played i said i want him sold i no he didn't get many chances to play but when he did there was a massive lack of effort on his part, my 9 year old lad looked at me and said why is he just jogging round making sure he's marked all the time dad why isn't he moving into space, he's 9 and he saw that! And klassen i just think it hasn't worked out for him, its life it happens sometimes.

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17 Feb 2018 09:29:33
It takes time johny but it’s hard when the expectations are so instant. They are all good players from their leagues and time will tell if they are as good in the prem. that’s of course if they are given the chance.

17 Feb 2018 10:58:22
I will use one Christian Erikson as an example, when Spurs signed him, he struggled with the pace of the league but was still given the odd chance from the start and minutes off the bench, Klassen has struggled with the pace but the difference is he hasn't been afforded the same type of blooding that Erikson did, and that is the fault of the manager. Is he worse than Schneiderlein? I think not, yet Morgan gets game time.
He is a central attacking midfielder as is Vlasic, so wouldn't really be taking Theo's place, if Sigs is being played out of position why not give Klassen a go in his preferred position and help him with the transition? Hopefully when the new manager comes in he sees the talent at his disposal and uses it.
I agree about Sandro and he doesn't look suited to this league, but in Klassen there is a player in there with vision and flair, this talent has been wasted and sacrificed for lazy so called defensive midfielder and negative tactics.

17 Feb 2018 12:58:11
He plays in a different role to sniderlain so that's probably y he isn't playing instead of him, and i wpuld like to point out that erikson wasnt brought into a team struggling to stay in the league mate i think if we would have hit the ground running klassen would have featured alpt more but we havnt mate its been a scrap and you can't afford people who aren't up to speed in a relegatation fight as sam has said himself players will get time to addapt once wer safe and i think that's only fair.
And with vlasic who oit of our attack would u drop for him mate out of curiosity if he plays centrally hat keep sig left you said he dloesnt play right so not theo so you would drop Davies? A yiungster who os getting a run in the team to accommodate another youngster? Or rooney? Our top goalscorer this season.

17 Feb 2018 14:17:37
I don't think a players "role" should afford one player time and understanding over how our club handles new players recently.
Not even safe and yet the fans are demanding instant hits like a long established top 4 team. Some people need to pull their necks in.

17 Feb 2018 20:13:29
I would also argue that Scheiderlin was not that much better in his first season. When I look back at all the home games last season, he actually played the same way, hardly a pass was incisive but rather safe or diagonal not exactly breaking fast.

18 Feb 2018 09:41:06
I was not saying drop any of the midfield 3 in Rooney, Gueye and Davies but I guarantee that Sam will come next week as its an away game, Davies will be dropped and the crab will come in.
My point was, when we are 3 nil up then Davies could have came off and Klassen could have got 20 minutes, yet he wasn't even on the bench! This is the type of man management I'm on about, allowing a player time to adapt when the circumstances suit, at 3 nil up a game is won, also at the home games we have coming up against the likes of Newcastle and Brighton who no doubt will come and sit deeper, these games will give Klassen the time and space to maybe do something, but again he won't be on the bench and the crab will come off the bench to slow the game down as always.
If he needed time to adapt and we couldn't give him this, then surely a loan to a Premier league team or Championship side for that matter in January would have been better than having him just train and not feature in match day squads.

19 Feb 2018 20:05:21
I understand what you are saying blue, but who could have foreseen us being 3-0 against palace?
We have to have a defensive sub on the bench and Sam sees something we don't in Schneiderlin, there is an argument about why he doesn't get on the bench, but there you go. Also if Davies is dropped and schneids comes in after the performance in the last game, even Sam must know that it wouldn't be the correct tactic, unless Davies is injured.

Review Of The Day 17th February 2018

17 Feb 2018 05:26:55
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 17th February 2018

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17 Feb 2018 18:39:29
Their right is to have their say 'Myteamsbetterthanyours', your right is to give a polite response (or that is what I would respect/ expect) . Pull necks in, is not in my view a polite response.

16 Feb 2018 15:18:30
we are not a big club, what is a big club? what do you define it by? is it how a football team affects the modern game? or is it the fan base, history? can there ever be a scientific criteria to quantify a football club as such? No, it's a grey area where everyone seems to have an unfalsifiable justification which delves into meaningless ranting and denigrating your debating counterpart.

it's meaningless, it's only something people who support the more successful sides say to inflate their sense of self worth because they have so much of their identity invested in a sports team, and the sides who don't do as well trying to hold onto a flailing sense of superiority, it simply does not matter. instead what would be more benefitial is to find ways to accumulate success so the love you feel for your team is remains in the present.
i don't even know why i went on this diatribe to post it here, i'm out.

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16 Feb 2018 17:30:40
i would like the people who downvoted my post to give a constructive opposition to my argument, and the reasons they downvoted it for.

16 Feb 2018 18:38:19
I would worry about the thumbs down. There's obviously a few playing games. I don't bother with it anymore.

As for a big club? I suppose it's the criteria. Could be number of fans, number of trophies, CL wins, reputation or money.

I think in the business world it's generated income. For us fans it's success. For teams like us it's long term success and for teams like Chelsea and City it's recent success.

Are we a big club anymore? I don't really care. If we win a trophy I imagine we will become a little bigger in some eyes though.

16 Feb 2018 18:47:47
*wouldn't worry.

16 Feb 2018 19:43:17
People play games with the thumbs down thing mate. don't worry. Some of us are now seeing who can get the most thumbs down. Big club? I don't think we are in the scheme of things anymore. We have the potential to be a big club again. but it will take time. I would guess regular European qualification. Regulat trophies. A fan base that sustains all of the above. I am afraid that Everton FC had the opportunity in the late 80's to invest and grow. It also had another opportunity mid 90's with Joe Royle. and in both occasions chose not to invest. Peter Johnson is one reason. However, we were just unfortunate that these were important times and had the wrong people in charge who did not see the opportunity. However, things could have been worse. Leeds United were also a huge club at the time of the formation of the Premier League and gambled heavily investing in a huge expensive squad. and then failed to qualify for Europe and therefore missed out on the revenues that came with Champions League football. They nearly went bust!

16 Feb 2018 20:04:03
Evertonthings don't worry about thumbs down down mate, there are a few on here who no longer read posts and just give a thumbs down to the person.

Degsy is right there are a few who now see how many we get for fun. If I said a wheel was round I would get at least 5 thumbs down, that's 3 less than I got for saying bullying in any form is wrong. I know or should I say I strongly suspect who 2 of them are but they just are not worth worrying over. Take pride in the thumbs down as thanks to some they have become meaningless.

16 Feb 2018 20:10:11
You are spot on with that analysis Degsy although I suspect it was more of a failure to spend when we were banned from Europe. We sat back thinking the ban would continue its full course and got caught out when it was relaxed and English teams were suddenly allowed back in. We just seem to of been playing catch up ever since.

16 Feb 2018 21:35:13
I for one down voted because I don't agree. I'm not going to justify my vote. Will the hurt and needy stop being passive aggressive because their view or comments are not the popular nirvana the poster assumed.

17 Feb 2018 02:31:58
To those who mentioned the thumbs down reaction, why are you so bothered about it? Whether people do it just to wind you up or whether they just don't agree, it shouldn't matter at all. Unless you are just writing stuff in the hope of getting a thumbs up, not that I am suggesting any of you do, to be accepted for what you say. Screw that, as long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react.

17 Feb 2018 03:42:13
lol, my intention wasnt hitting out at anyone, i just wished to stimulate discussion on this topic, so constructive feedback instead of just liking or disliking what i said would be more interesting to delve into, also i've been on the internet since i was 10 so i know how this works :p.

17 Feb 2018 07:38:11
If you wanted a discussion, why did you finish with “I’m out”?

And why did you make the post so wordy? It only makes your point difficult to understand, maybe that’s why you had a few more thumbs down than you were expecting.

My point of view is that we are a big club. A club having so many innovations down through history, so many successes and a club spending more time in top flight football than any other team. Yes we are a big club, and my heart beats out of my chest every time I am reminded.

17 Feb 2018 11:01:22
"As long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react. "

Does that statement include me bluepotao?

17 Feb 2018 11:30:32
Evertonthings I know where you are coming from. Whether people agree or don't agree, is irrelevant. However, I also like to hear a constructive point if someone disagrees with a post I put on. eg I say Walcott is our best signing for ages. then someone gives a thumbs down and says, "Degsy you are talking crap". Well that sort of winds me up. If they said well Walcoot is always injured or has no pace or a constructive discussion point I will accept that. But "Degsy you are talking crap" is not constructive. So I geet what you are on about. Added to which, this is indeed a banter site. not (in the words of Monty Python) an insult site!

17 Feb 2018 18:45:34
Evertonthings. My Grandson walked out against Young Boys holding Jags hand. Lots of photo's taken (as you would) , two weeks later, driving home, Grandaughter (don't you love em) shouts out from the back seat, 'Grandad, '*****' has something to tell you but he doesn't want to upset you'. He still supports the 'Dark side', yet is quite happy just this week to attend the NAC with Everton. I have to believe he will in time revert once again to the true Team of Liverpool and not the Norwegian contingent.

17 Feb 2018 19:22:30
Evertonthings, come on lad, why do you comment on this board or any other board, is it to collect brownie points? Of course it isn't. Personally I have had enough, no reflection on any individual. But that is enough for me. I wish Everton a successful rest of season and of course I am there at all the home games.

16 Feb 2018 14:31:18
Marouane Fellaini has agreed a deal to join Besiktas at the end of the season. The Belgium international, 30, is out of contract at the end of the campaign and could leave on a free transfer,

would you have had him back? gives it 100%.

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16 Feb 2018 16:36:43
For free, yes I would.

16 Feb 2018 17:12:21
He is good offensively at set pieces. He is good defensively and at set pieces. He is good with 10 mins to go when you are a goal down. Throw him forward as an annoyance to the opposition when you need to lump it forwards. Yes I would have him back.

16 Feb 2018 17:40:40
And where do we play him? Instead of siggy? Rooney? Gana? He would be a super sub at best. He is going to beshiktaa for game time, why would he come to us to sit on the bench.

16 Feb 2018 18:14:31
Good answer Smit mate.

16 Feb 2018 18:40:05
I'm not sure I'd have him back. However I wish him the best of luck. I've heard nothing but nice stories about him outside of football and he's a very humble and down to earth guy.

16 Feb 2018 19:49:08
To answer Smit666's question about where I would play him. he could play instaed of Gana or Schneids for sure. All our midfielders will not remain uninjured all season for sure. So he could play in an offensive or defensive role at times. like I said in my original post. and yes he might have to be sub at times. But he would be great competition for places and give the squad something it currently lacks. Sigs corners and free kicks would certainly have someone to aim at which we don't currently seem to be doing. If we were hanging on to a 1 nil lead with 10 mins to go, he is great to put in alongside Gana. but to answer the original question again. yes I would have him back. Sorry if you don't agree. But I would.

16 Feb 2018 21:41:55
Like you say Degsy put him on with 10 minutes to go. Sub at best. He's not a defensive mid so why would he take Gana or schneids place? Or are you thinking of not playing a defensive mid? He plays further forward so would take siggy or Davies place which he might have done 5 years ago but not now.

{Ed025's Note - maybe instead of building a new ground we should build a home for over the hill players, we could ask all the teams who have players who are past their sell by date to sign for us, we could get john o,shey and wes brown as our captain and vice captain and fellaini as our player manager, leave all them pesky kids in the U23 squad and go with experience...just a thought..

16 Feb 2018 22:41:55
With the money they earn Ed they can build there own bloomin Home for the over hill players, and those damn pesky kids can take out the bin bags. sigh . bliss.

17 Feb 2018 07:14:48
And get all the old players on the coaching staff to be the mentors for the Everton Last Payday XI what dya reckon Ed025?

{Ed025's Note - sounds good to me gray..

17 Feb 2018 11:35:31
To answer another constructive question. Fellaini can play defensive mid very well. He did it for years with us. Just in front of the back 4. He does it with Utd and Belgium at times. Usually when they are hanging on to a lead with a few mins to go. He also has a few goals in him. 36 premier league goals so far. 16 international goals so far. But it is about opinions so there ya go. that's mine. Thumbs down time!

17 Feb 2018 20:57:56
Degsy, he is not an out and out defensive mid, he has always been a box to box midfielder, he has never been disciplined enough to be a defensive mid.

It would just fallin with the recruitment mentality this season, ooh he used to be good so let's buy him, where does he play? Err. I don't know but, he'll fit in somewhere.
If he wanted to sit on the bench and come on as sub surely he would be better staying at united than coming to us. He would just be another waste of money.

16 Feb 2018 14:19:05
Sandro says in various reports that he doesn't want to return to Everton as he's happy where he is. I don't blame him really as he was treated appallingly while he was here. It's a damn shame as given time I'm sure he'd have been a hit. The message to any future signings is think long and hard before you sign because, as Tosun has discovered, Everton don't have any patience.

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16 Feb 2018 14:38:05
Another one? something must be wrong at our club mate?

16 Feb 2018 15:35:32
Our club has a 'we want it yesterday' approach.1st Sandro then it will be Klaassen, Vlasic, Lookman and Onyekuru to start with. No time given and badly treated by the looks of it.

16 Feb 2018 16:22:11
Whilst I accept that a new signing who settles immediately is an exception, I think every ultimately successful signing will show some flash of talent that will allow you to realise why he was signed. It may be just a nice piece of control, some clever footwork, a well seen pass. Maybe nothing much but it's there for you to see. Seen in abundance from Lookman. Seen enough from Vlasic. I've seen odd flashes from Klaasen. Haven't seen it from Sandro or Tosun.

16 Feb 2018 17:14:02
I more or less agree with you Glennk.

16 Feb 2018 17:49:58
I can see where the others would play but I don't see where Sandro would fit in the team, unless we adopt a new system.

16 Feb 2018 17:52:03
I am not sure it is just that we have no patience, more a case of we buy players who are capable and then put them under a manager who cannot play the standard of football the players are used to. I quite agree with BigH. Potential players should consider what happens when they get here, and also see who is manager first before even agreeing anything. The wheel is turning. Fat Sam will go, leave us with rubbish, the new man will buy more, we won't have patience, sack him, Fat Sam 2 will come in, repeat repeat repeat.

{Ed002's Note - You are right, the Toxics like you will continue to drag the club down by providing absolutely zero support and trashing all of the staff and the players. It seems to be a Merseyside thing. Perhaps Moshiri could find some decent supporters?}

16 Feb 2018 18:16:24
Well said Ed so much rubbish being written on here lately mate.

16 Feb 2018 19:53:00
Perhaps Moshiri could by some fans with Usmanov's money.

16 Feb 2018 19:54:18
Ed002. we are not all the same. There are many real supporting Blues. honest. It just seems on here that we attract the toxic ones. I guess it results from years of "near" success and then being let down with failure. As a loyal Blue supporter it can be incredibly frustrating when you think we are nearly there and then something happens that makes you lose your faith. that's what it seems to be all about. keeping the faith and some seem to find that hard.

{Ed002's Note - Nobody has said you are all the same Degsy.}

16 Feb 2018 20:05:12
To Glennk - Obviously expectation is high when someone new arrives, especially if they have a decent reputation, but to say you aren't seeing it from those two when they have barely had a chance seems a bit unfair mate. NP I guess they just don't tick the right boxes for you, or for Sam for that matter. As for Ed002's Toxics remark I do hope that wasn't aimed in my direction.

16 Feb 2018 20:14:59
another thread getting turned into an anti SA one. PATHETIC.

16 Feb 2018 20:35:55
I knew someone with an Auntie Sam once GT. Mm mm mmmmm 😋😍😂.

16 Feb 2018 22:40:51
A real player does not need several games to show ability.
Many years ago I was at a game between Carlisle v Darlington. It was every bit as exciting as you think it would have been. After about 70 mins Carlisle brought on Matt Jansen. The ball was played up to him. His first touch brought a gasp from the crowd. From that touch alone it was obvious he could play.

16 Feb 2018 22:44:03
My mate had an Aunty Sammi, now she was someone you would want to keep.

16 Feb 2018 07:58:18
Carrying on from Geoffs great suggestion. Let's think of happier times. No managers again just players and games.

So what has been your ONE favourite game from each of our recent managers Moyes to Sam. Don't be negative just the positives.

For me with Moyes it was the United game at home when we were 3-1 down and pulled the two goals back to draw. There are loads of games to choose from but for me United I hate more than anyone. Since I've been alive I've been to EVERY cup final we've been beaten in. The three I've missed we've won. The 85 final was sickener because I had a chance for the Cup Winners but couldn't do the two. Therefore I blame United.

But from being in despair with minutes left to euphoria them minutes later, it was the quickest change of emotion I've had. Almost equally is the semi at Wembley against them.

Martinez was the Arsenal game in his first season. It was the first time in 20 years we felt like the Everton of old. We had to beat to stay in the hunt for CL. We did and in some style.

Koeman was the Arsenal game at home again. The 2-1 scoreline turned his and our season around and from then on we played some of the best football I've seen since 87.

Unsie was his last game against West Ham. I wonder if he would have been given the job from the off would the players just knuckled down and backed. Who knows?

Seeing him with nothing but passion on the sidelines was brilliant to see.

For Sam the Leicester game was Theo showing us what genuine quality players can bring to the table. A standard of player that has to be the norm now when we buy.

So what's yours?

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16 Feb 2018 08:37:14
I’ve been to two cup finals and we won both. The 1966 game had to be the most exciting, despair followed by joy. The 1995 game was very rewarding in that we beat United. I lived in Manchester for four years and can’t stand United nor their supporters most of whom were not born or ever lived in Manchester.

16 Feb 2018 12:10:49
everton 3 arsenal 0
we were only behind a point from 4th with a game in hand, it was like everton were really going to break the proverbial ceiling from there on and for the first time you could really sense genuine optimism and euphoria instead of forcing yourself to say "yeah we can do it" just so you could maintain a faux sense of optimism

oh how wrong we were.

16 Feb 2018 14:07:03
4-4 old trafford. moyes
0-1 old trafford. bobby
Koeman none.

16 Feb 2018 17:58:03
Blue Mike are you suggesting that in order to support a team you must have been born in the town or lived there? I have never lived in Liverpool. Newport, Runcorn, Blackpool, Accrington, Madrid, Berlin, and Newport again, but never Liverpool. I reckon I have spent more money supporting Everton than fans who live local as every home game was an away game for me.

16 Feb 2018 18:37:08
No I am not saying that you should be born in a city to support that team although I am a little old fashioned in that regards. The people I am talking about are those who are born in a place that has a team but offer no financial support to that team. They say however, that they support a big team like United but very really if ever go to watch United or have never lived in the Manchester area. I have more time for a supporter of a team like Huddersfield who go to the games and support that club regardless of the fact that they will probably not win anything.
I obviously realize that things have changed since my youth. Then you supported a team from your home town or one which you lived in. Now because of television and internet support is more global in nature. I am an old dinosaur and soon their will be non of us left.

16 Feb 2018 19:59:56
Many things come into it but the success of a team is high on the list. I am from the Wirral and used to go to Tranmere games Friday nite and Everton Saturday. But Everton were my team. I moved to Gloucestershire then Devon and Cornwall starting 1980. I have continued to go to occasional games with the South West Blues. My mates down here from Plymouth etc are die hard Blues. Started supporting in 80's in the main. They are as loyal as any scouser. Weird tho it is. So locality can be a reason, but not necessarily.

17 Feb 2018 01:51:50
I understand that delay, the people I am talking about are the glory hunters.

17 Feb 2018 16:31:33
Blue I remember that game, wasn’t that the one Neville threw 2 heavy takes in one after the other and one of them on Ronaldo? The whole ground picked up, stood up and roared right through the whole second half. That was some game.

Review Of The Day 16th February 2018

16 Feb 2018 05:29:42
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 16th February 2018

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