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11 Dec 2017 13:10:41
Liverpool fan I come In peace. Well done for the draw you guys defended well and restricted our guys to few chances.

My take is; I remember Everton allways giving us a good hard fought game and to me yesterday it felt like men against boys for the most part. I mean no disrespect that is just what it felt like to me.

Sam's a good manger but do you see him taking you to the CL I'm not so sure you my not lose too many but say if you get 10 draws in a season even half of them as wins gives you five more points.

He will settle the ship make you hard to beat but you are a big club and should be aiming to be a team that other teams fear.

I wish you well for the rest of the season and good luck

Ps I'm a wool so I can wish you luck.

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11 Dec 2017 15:21:49
back to getting the basics right first then build from there, he got Bolton into European paces, why not with a money chest everton can he not do the same? koeman came to anfiled and tried to play and got battered same with Roberto, big sam didn't.

11 Dec 2017 15:48:50
chrisp85 yes but you hit the nail on the head there. First of all we need the ship to be steady. Sam himself has said first of all he needs to get the defence sorted and 4 games in that seems to be happening which I think is remarkable given what he is working with. Even Scneiderlin seemed to do okay when he came on. Also Sam Allardyce is not the neanderthal many deem him to be. He has for years used modern techniques, just watch what is really going on, on the touchline and up in the stands. Finally never had my doubts about Sammy Lee, the bloke is a professional and knowledgable football fans respect that. This is the City of Liverpool after all.

11 Dec 2017 20:04:31
What I noticed Sam does and myself and father in law have been saying for years, is why don't managers have a member of backroom staff in the stands. We sit in the Upper Bullens and can see the full pitch and shape of players.

11 Dec 2017 12:08:22
Just thought I would mention this for the Lukaku not being replaced, which is true by the way.

Let's put this into perspective, Rooney has scored as many premier league goals this season as Lukaku has at Utd. All those saying we are missing his goals, well the stats do not lie,

I was in the sell the Lukaku camp, provided we brought in a top class striker, once we do this results will follow.

We have taken a few steps back, but have no doubt Sam will fix our defence, then bring in a striker, small steps first but getting there already without any reinforcements.

January will be an interesting window and I expect Sam will go for his former Kone.

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11 Dec 2017 18:48:07
No doubt Rooney is still quality. if not the quality he was when he was early 20's. And yes his goals equal Lukaku's. but remember quite a few of those goals came in the last few games where we picked up points. Before that we lost a lot and no one was scoring whilst we were conceding 2/ 3/ 4 a game. If Rooney keeps on scoring at this rate we will have only defensive problems to sort. and Sam A will surely do that. So let's keep positive and hope these 2 things coming together will mean we can move upwards in the League.

11 Dec 2017 19:08:49
It wasnt just his goals, his presence, height, strength, pace and the mental factor to our players as he gave everyone an option but to also the opponents defence as he would draw deffenders. We were more balanced with lukaku.

12 Dec 2017 05:40:58
I agree with all of the above. It's worth noting however that Rooney's goals have earnt us 9 points on their own (I've included the West Ham game in that because I doubt we would have scored a goal otherwise, he played a blinder that day) . Didn't Lukaku's goals earn us about that many points all season? We just need someone quality to fill Calvert Lewin's place (as he needs more time to develop in my opinion) and a solid CB and we are good to go in Jan.

11 Dec 2017 12:02:23
See fat Sam is taking credit for us only letting in one goal since he came on board. Of course he forgets Unsworth was in charge of the team against West Ham and it was Unsworth's team for the first game Sam had. I have another theory and that is we at last have a young center-back in Holgate. I know he makes mistakes and is learning but he is has played pretty well so far and is far better than the rest. Added to that Kenny is getting better with every game. Now if we could get rid of Martina and probably Williams and just play Jags we could have a good defense so the rest of the team could do some attacking and less defending.

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11 Dec 2017 12:41:26
But it can not be dismissed that bringing him on board had a mental impact on the players, until he was hired not Many of them put the effort in for Unsy.

11 Dec 2017 15:03:33
Keane, Holgate and Kenny will hopefully be our defense for years to come. Just need an experienced and energetic left back and a young up and coming one to complete the set.

11 Dec 2017 15:45:40
I think its unfair to think Sam had nothing to do with Unsworth's last game, let's face it the players had not performed for him over the previous five weeks.
The fact is he was there on board, did speak with the players and we saw a considerable change of attitude!

11 Dec 2017 16:10:37
1940Mike but he is indeed correct. Since he has been in charge we have only let in 1 goal, and that was against probably the team with the best attacking line in the country.

For the short time Unsworth was in charge we let in more goals than any other manager we have ever had over the same time span.

Lets move on from Unsworth, he is no longer in charge for a reason and other owners do not seem to be knocking his door down to recruit him to manage their first teams.

11 Dec 2017 16:57:58
Sorry guys but Jags has had his best days. Kenny is going to push Coleman all the way now. Agree we are weak down the left and Martina is not the answer, Gylfi spent nearly all the game trying to cover for him. Need a striker a left back and centre back, that would make me happy.

11 Dec 2017 18:09:06
I think that you are missing my point mates. I am saying that Holgate came in for the West Ham game (Unsworth's pick) at center-half and has done very well and since then we have been much better defensively. The sooner we get in a few more young and quick defenders and get rid of the likes of Williams and Martina the better.

11 Dec 2017 10:39:14
Anyone else think flip flop should be charged after his rant to the ref on the pitch at the end.

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11 Dec 2017 16:12:41
100% agree. Sadly though don't think it will happen due to them lot being one of the so called "Big" teams.

11 Dec 2017
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Everton Player Sightings page entitled, We drew bus

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11 Dec 2017 09:31:22
Left back to replace baines is simple go an get luke shaw he is a really top player an young he won't out of united and would be a boss buy i think yes he has injurys but looks fit to me now.

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11 Dec 2017 10:12:50
I like him and if he could stay injury free he'd be a great asset. Bit of a gamble though given his unfortunate history.

11 Dec 2017 15:32:14
Don’t want it to seem like I’m hating every player but I’ve honestly never seen the hype around him, he’s fast but poor in the final 3rd and defensively is unbelievably easy to beat, I’ve seen basic wingers like Lennon, Moses and Navas tear him to shreds. He’s basically the English Patrick Van Aanholt.

11 Dec 2017 16:02:09
Too injury prone to take the risk, look at what the injuries to Baines and Coleman have done to this team. can we afford to have another defender who struggles to stay fit.

11 Dec 2017 08:09:28
We all know we need a new left back, so who do the posters reckon we should be looking at. My choice would be Aaron Cresswell from West Ham.

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11 Dec 2017 09:04:07
Yeah I like Cresswell shaw not many I can think of that wood fancy a move to us st this money in time.

11 Dec 2017 09:19:45
hardly any west ham fans rate cresswell so for me not good enough sorry, luke shaw unfit currently could we get him back to his best?

11 Dec 2017 09:55:32
Id like Kieron tierney of Celtic he gets forward and can put a decent cross in and he chips in with a few goals too playing well for them this season.

11 Dec 2017 12:12:32
Bertrand from Southampton.

11 Dec 2017 15:51:35
Chilwell Leicester for me!

11 Dec 2017 16:03:48
Ben Chillwell or Tierney for me.

11 Dec 2017 16:24:17
Stubbsy mentioned Tierney on talksport this morning and he rates him as a top player.

11 Dec 2017 17:00:28
Chill well, because he knows how to defend.

11 Dec 2017 04:31:51
Under Koeman and Martinez, our players were being asked to play in a way that they were unsuited and/ or unprepared for - and it soon fell apart. Under Allardyce, it looks like the players know what's expected of them - no complications.

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11 Dec 2017 09:16:16
Be prepared for old school football Bobby, SA stated that we are going to build the defence before we look to other parts of the team. I personally don't have a problem with the 10 men park the bus counter attack game plan as long as we get points out of the game.

11 Dec 2017 12:27:56
sa90: I agree with you, mate -defend well first, then play the expansive football.

11 Dec 2017 04:25:22
I can't believe fans complaining about us playing for (and getting) a result - albeit a hard-earned unadventurous (to put it mildly! ) draw - at the dark side.
Of course it would have been great to play an open, expansive, toe-to-toe style, but that most likely would have led to another hammering from their formidable attacking players.
At this stage of the season, if some fans would prefer style over substance, well that's their prerogative, but imho we need results and we need the team to gain confidence from those results.
Whether or not under SA we can show creativity and attacking quality on top of defensive solidity and organisation only tine will tell, but I for one am content (for now! ) to concentrate on the improvement in results, player confidence, and team organisation under a coaching staff that has the experience, determination, and knowledge to deal with where we have found ourselves so far this season.

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11 Dec 2017 09:31:13
Big Sam has a reputation for negative football and some fans seem to have latched onto this. But any top manager knows you start a game off with the intention of keeping a clean sheet and build from there. Remember that Allardyce had Jay Jay Ocotcha and Ivan Campo in his team at Bolton. how we could do with either of those now. I am expecting him to lay the foundation of a solid defence and build a midfield with some creativity as time goes on. But BobbyC you are rightabout some fans. and would they enjoy watching us playing expansive football in the Championship. because 4 games ago and the preceding 10 or so games. that's where we were headed! Big Sam might not yet have all the answers, but I for one would rather us start building a team and bring in the expansive football at a later date when we have the players.

11 Dec 2017 12:24:53
degsyp: I agree with you. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I want to stay in the PL above all else.

11 Dec 2017 04:01:02
All this talk about penalty decisions being "soft" or "harsh" is so bogus.
As SA said, it's either a penalty or it isn't a penalty.
The debate really should be about whether or not the referee made a correct decision. That's why I would like the match officials to use instant video reviews, although I accept even that wouldn't guarantee 100% accuracy for all situations.

{Ed001's Note - it would be pointless, even now after everyone has seen a hundred reviews there is an argument about it, so what chance would officials have? People just need to accept referee's decisions, even when wrong, so long as the decisions are honestly made it's just a case of sucking it up and moving on when it goes against you.}

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11 Dec 2017 04:36:27
Ed001 - agree about accepting decisions, but anything that helps the referee’s decision-making process sounds good to me.

11 Dec 2017 09:53:40
Ed your spot on decisions are made during the match unless it blatant cheating there is no recourse to change anything. the referee's decision is final

I do agree that technology would aid the decision making process but it would be a really difficult to get the correct process in place. If you look at rugby for example the game has changed from an interpretive style to being played to the letter of the law. Football is not really conducive to video scrutiny in real time. There is far to much cheating by the players, for a start corners and attacking free kicks would be an absolute nightmare to manage as well as aerial contests. The game would have to change significantly. On the other hand watching some managers post match interviews would be highly entertaining after they have seen a match winning goal being cancelled due to a review that finds foul play committed in the build up.


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