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05 Feb 2018 01:26:29
Much as we love playing in European football - and however unlikely we are to scrape into the Europa League - surely we can do without the burden of pre-season qualifiers and Thursday night football next season? It's clearly ruined us this season.
:- (.


1.) 05 Feb 2018 10:30:41
A decent break and a good pr-season without having to worry about qualifying for the Europa League would undoubtedly be beneficial for the lads BobbyC, but there are other reasons why they have been so poor this season. The main ones are some of the players simply haven't been good enough and the tactics have, for the most part, been awful. We as fans can see what/ where the problems are. The pundits on TV and in the press can see them too. But for some inexplicable reason the club/ management appear to be blinkered. Playing in Europe can be taxing, but that's no excuse for the dross we have to watch week in/ out.

{Ed025's Note - i have to agree BigH..

2.) 05 Feb 2018 12:31:15
Best post I have seen for a long time, agree completely.

3.) 05 Feb 2018 12:47:38
You can't blame playing in Europe for our poor season. If anything it should have helped us improve as a squad. Think about it. We looked poor in our preseason games, and even in the early rounds of the comp, struggling to beat teams I had never heard of.
The only way we will improve is to stay playing in Europe, being out of it just weakens us.

4.) 05 Feb 2018 15:55:45
I think you can blame Europe to a point. The early start meant our usual pre-season was condensed. Lots of new players didn't get a chance to play together / bed in etc as competitive action started very early.
That said - there is no excuse for the garbage which has been served up. There are far too many bad apples in the squad who are not working for Fat Sam and hardly pulled trees up for Martinez, Koeman or Unsie.
Seamus in his first game in 12 months showed the entire squad the level of guts and effort that should be a given. Likes of Scneiderlin, Williams, Keane haven't shown that much effort all season.

Seamus has been a huge loss for us. Make him captain and bring in a similar sort at LB and maybe we will start to progress.

But having thought we finally had a squad to be proud of it is scandalous that we need to start riupping it up and starting over.

{Ed001's Note - surely the early start to competitive football should have helped new players bed in? The only effect it should have is tiredness later in the season.}

5.) 05 Feb 2018 16:20:36
I would give anything to see us back in Europe next year. It has some obvious drawbacks by having to start the season so much earlier but that is our own fault for only scraping in by the very last spot. We can consider the qualifiers to be our pre season games so don't necessarily need to play any more matches than we would in any other pre season.
By being in Europe, albeit Europa rather than Champions League, we should be more enticing to players considering joining us. And the opportunity to play against some high quality continental competition is what i want to see at the club.
Also, yes we had a disaster this year, but if we did not play our Europa qualifier, we would never have identified and signed Vlasic. It's always worth looking for the bright moments and that for me is one of them.

6.) 06 Feb 2018 08:41:23
Ed001 - my thoughts are that we weren't fit enough AND we hadnt sorted our team shape, best 11 etc etc. WE struggled from the off, confidence was hit and the likes of Sandro, Klaassen and later Vlasic have never had a proper chance.
I think with a settled side the early start may help. But we had so many new faces that they needed more 'pointless friendlies' to sort a shape and understanding.

{Ed001's Note - not being fit enough would have quickly been sorted by playing matches, that is just an excuse. Building an understanding comes in training and playing together, you don't need to play pointless friendlies to do that either. Again more excuses for crap recruitment and management.

The manager is responsible for managing what he has and was utterly incapable of even making the effort to be a part of things, that was the biggest issue. The second biggest issue was the woeful recruitment that saw you pick up the wrong players.

Starting the season early should have been an advantage early on but the mess the club made of the summer meant it was not. Making excuses for mistakes is the way to go about making sure they are not rectified in the future.

Everton deserve better than a manager who thought he was too big and important to be managing Everton. Koeman was wrong, he was not good enough for Everton, not the other way around. But that problem has been fixed, though the choice of replacement shows the club still has not learnt lessons from the mistakes made picking him. You might want to make excuses for those failings but I would like to see Everton learn from them and find the right manager next time out, rather than yet another arrogant arse who thinks he is bigger than the club.}

7.) 06 Feb 2018 14:56:04
I second everything you say Ed001, but fear that without a major overhaul from Boardroom to bench we will slowly sleepwalk to relegation.

8.) 06 Feb 2018 15:01:46
I agree re Everton deserving better and also re the poor recruitment - that said we all thought we had recruited well at the time. Hindsight eh! But 3 no.10's, no decent forward and no cover at LB was scandalous.
Disagree re the fitness side. It is no coincidence that each side that has entered EL at the group stages have had a poor season. The hard graft in pre-season is what builds you up for the season. It should have far more intensity than a friendly match. And as i said earlier, once you start losing games confidence quickly erodes.
All that said, the nucleus of that team have failed for 4 managers now. Total lack of bottle, character and ability.
I see another pre-season of much change.

{Ed001's Note - hindsight? I told you at the time you had recruited badly and got laughed at. I told you Mee was the defender at Burnley you should have got, not Keane. You didn't need hindsight to see that Rooney was finished years ago and should never have been brought back, plenty of others said the same thing. It also did not need hindsight to see you needed a genuine striker, which Sandro is not really.

I see what you are saying about the fitness but it is perfectly possible to get fit and play games, it is about managing it properly. It is also not true that each side that has entered the EL at the group stage has had a poor season. Though that is not related to early starts anyway, as the group stages are not that early in the season. I assume you mean the prelim rounds? In which case it is no different from Champs League sides having to pre-qualify and that doesn't present any real problems either.}

9.) 06 Feb 2018 17:25:14
I think Rooney was as much a commercial / profile raising signing as anything else. Totally agree re a CF as i said above and, whilst i didn't laugh at you, i certainly can't argue on the comments re Mee over Keane. Keane has been dire!

And yes i meant the prelims. My mistake.

PS - What you doing in the summer Ed 001. Hoping there is a vacancy going for a DoF!

{Ed001's Note - I doubt Walsh will be given his marching orders just yet. Moshiri handpicked him, I think he will want to back his judgement call on that for a while yet.}

10.) 06 Feb 2018 20:33:56
Agree with most of what you say there Ed. Although, on the whole, I think Rooney has been a decent signing really. He’s played some good games for us and scored some important goals.

{Ed001's Note - I don't see how he has been decent, he gets in the way in every move and is constantly anywhere but where you would want him to be. Yes he has scored some goals, but at what cost? I mean on the pitch cost, not wages etc. Would say Sigurdsson have scored and created more if he had played there? Would the team as a whole played better without a headless chicken running around brainlessly? If you are in midfield and looking to play a pass to him you have to search around to see where he is, because he could be anywhere. So you can't have an understanding built and just play a ball immediately, like you could with, for instance, Vardy up front. Which slows down your play and allows the opposition time to recover positions. That was especially a problem in the first part of the season when you had so little pace in the team to attack them with. You needed the ball to be moved around at pace but the players are unable to keep it moving one or two touch as they are spending 3 or 4 touches trying to figure out where he is.}



04 Feb 2018 23:15:52
Why is Schneiderlin playing so poorly this season - especially having shown good form when he first joined? He isn't a bad player, so something is clearly amiss.
Here's an opinion (out of left field) : when he joined, maybe he became the top earner, but the Summer signings have matched or bettered that and he's miffed about that. Anyone got a better explanation?


1.) 05 Feb 2018 06:38:48
Maybe he is angry about the sacking of Koeman.

2.) 05 Feb 2018 06:48:38
So reward him with pay rise?

3.) 05 Feb 2018 10:36:47
He is one of the laziest players I have ever seen play for us and the quicker he's gone the better. Have you noticed how different/ better Idrissa plays without him? We need a clearout in the Summer but the problem is who is going to take our rubbish off us and more importantly who is going to want to come here. The future is definitely not bright at the moment.

4.) 05 Feb 2018 12:52:30
Players move for money mate, most don't give a toss what the team is like as long as you pay plenty.
As for Morgan he's getting paid loads so he won't move unless he gets a similar deal.
Player power!

5.) 05 Feb 2018 15:58:20
without doubt he is the laziest and most gutless excuse for a footballer i have ever seen in a blue shirt. He jogs everywhere, gets 'near' to where he should be, but hardly ever actually makes a tackle and i have NEVER seen him throw his body on the line.
He is a central mid . That should be a given.

6.) 05 Feb 2018 20:21:51
To answer your question Big H. David Moyes, that's who.



21 Jan 2018 23:41:43
Who is running Everton football club? Who makes the decisions? Is it an individual or a collective? If the latter, are they all sticking to the party-line or are they briefing their media buddies with their own agendas?


1.) 22 Jan 2018 00:31:30
Its interesting that Sam publicly admits that Rooney and Sig can't play together because of lack of pace.
This has generally been accepted by the casual observer Q rotation in the coming months.

2.) 22 Jan 2018 08:31:41
We have all been saying this for months Siggy is a attacking player still young enough to play 45 million so play in his right position . Rooney is a sub now use him when we can! Play the best 11 not who has the bigger name.

3.) 22 Jan 2018 09:16:03
Omg. Or . play someone who scores most of our goals when he starts or play someone who was well overpriced, has a good free kick and half the time you don’t even realise is on the pitch. I don’t like to pick on players but everyone’s always getting on Wayne’s case, if you hadn’t realised (not for the first time) Sigurdsson was played through the centre again at the wkd at home against West Brom and guess what, he done nothing! Thank god we don't pick the starting eleven, although I think we could all do a better job than our management can at the minute. I know we’re not the easiest team to support at the minute but Rooney’s simply not the problem.

4.) 22 Jan 2018 12:06:47
I was not a fan of bringing Rooney back puke, but he’s here now so onwards we move. I don’t think he is the problem, although playing them together clearly was a problem, SA also sees it now, but I think playing them together higher up the pitch is where it goes wrong, surely Rooney is not slower than snids? For me he the 10 with fast wingers, or plays next to some one fast who breaks up play like Gana. Problem with Rooney for me is he tries too hard and seems to want to be everywhere, getting in other peoples space and unbalancing things.

5.) 22 Jan 2018 15:16:16
Couldn’t agree more BeStyrne, I also think Davy Klaassen has suffered for similar reasons. You don’t come a bad player over night. We have too many players who need to play in that role. I hate to say it as we obviously have more money at hand nowadays but I’m quite sure we were doing a hell of a lot better with one man calling the shots upstairs and one manager man managing the football team rather than 3 and 3. Isn’t working at the moment but I guess more time will tell.

6.) 22 Jan 2018 15:03:43
Wayne's great but he is too slow. I am chuffed with his goals and hope he has a bag full more to come over the next 2 seasons before he retires.

He is a brilliant utility player.
I believe the plan was always to use him sparingly. Last summers inept transfers meant he was used more than planned and thankfully so as he is our only bright light this season.

Anyone who jumps on Sigs back for having 1 game in his right position and it not being a good performance is being more than harsh. He has been poorly treated and needs a run until the end of season as the 10.

He is better than Rooney it's just a fact but wooney is still important as a squad player.

I think we were meant to have a smoother euro run and Wazza was meant to be the old pro who would play up top on his own in those tricky, cold eastern Europe games where we need a result. And of course just having a mega star like that is invaluable for the kids.

7.) 22 Jan 2018 20:27:52
they can play together it just comes down to man management and tactics its a poor excuse from SA because of a few bad results the hole transfer situation has become a joke koeman spends 150 mill gets sacked SA is apointed and only plays 2 of koemans signings reguarly pickford and siggy he spends close to 60 mill on 2 more players SA will eventually leave after he's spends more of evertons money we appoint a new manager who goes out and spends more money were does it end RANT OVER!



14 Jan 2018 00:13:33
Martinez inherited Moyes's sound defence, recruited some good players - but also a lot of dross - and thereby got 5th his first season. He then tried to get the players doing what they couldn't (in terms of playing style) and got found out.

Koeman inherited Lukaku, Barkley and Barry, each of whom contributed to his 7th-place first-season finish He then (or was it Walsh? ) splurged on players that left the squad unbalanced and lacking in key areas. Without Lukaku, Barkley and Barry - and with the side disorganised and demotivated - he also got found out.

Allardyce inherited a shambles (no offence to Unsworth, who was on a hiding to nothing, poor lad) and, despite some early hard-earned results, is seeing that the squad is just not good enough - neither to play the ultra-defensive style most fans expected of him nor the more offensive style we've dabbled in (unsuccessfully! ) recently.

This January's transfer window - plus the time he'll get on the training ground (now we've just one match a week) - will be crucial in determining not only our Premier League survival (most important) , but also his prospects of keeping his job beyond this Summer.


1.) 14 Jan 2018 01:05:20
It's been a difficult period undoubtedly BobbyC and one that's proving just as difficult to get out of. I may come across as a Big Sam and Martina apologist at times, Sam inheriting an unbalanced squad with little to no confidence and Martina tasked with doing a job he clearly isn't qualified to do, but even I have to admit I'm having serious doubts about how long both of them can carry on. A LB has to be a priority if Sam is going to survive until the end of the season. As for today/ yesterday, Spurs are a decent team who know how to attack and defend but we made them look better by being so poor in the same areas.

{Ed0333's Note - do you really believe Allardyce will be sacked before the end of the season BigH? I can only see that happening if he loses the next 7 or 8 games. Surely they’ll give him time for his signings to get into their groove. I would guess that unless you guys on a catostrophic run of bad results Allardyce is there till the end of the season.

2.) 14 Jan 2018 02:48:38
What signings? Only Tosun so far.

3.) 14 Jan 2018 01:21:55
I sincerely hope he doesn't and I pray we don't lose those games Ed0333 but you never know. One thing is certain, results and performances need to improve quickly.

{Ed0333's Note - I honestly think his appointment was knee jerk and it would have made sense to get someone to steady the ship till the end of the season and start again. Now you have an expensive stop gap who will stay longer than which is ideal or he will go at the end of the season and you have to pay him a kings ransom. I truly hope you don’t get relegated because the Merseyside Derby is something the whole world revels in.

4.) 14 Jan 2018 10:28:55
BigH78 - I find it extraordinary to defend Martina. Yes he is playing out of position and can't kick a ball with his left foot which contributes to his ineptitude going forward. But that is no excuse for consistently making dreadful mistakes defensively and such poor decision making. Chuck in the fact that he doesn't look remotely bothered and is just going through the motions. New left back absolutely imperative.

5.) 14 Jan 2018 12:54:03
Toffee he hasn't even got a right foot, the bloke is clueless. Played both there players onside for the first two goals, when all he had to do was take a step forward. Shocking player.

6.) 14 Jan 2018 13:28:11
I really hope we get rid of Allardyce in the summer, he moans about us attacking Spurs and Man Utd.

But then goes and parks the bus against Bournemouth and West Brom, fun fact we lost 3 of those 4 games and drew the other, sports science football genius.

7.) 14 Jan 2018 14:45:20
Agree Aswan. I wouldn't give this guy anymore money to spend. Need to keep it for the next manager.

8.) 14 Jan 2018 14:52:31
Maybe I have defended him a bit in other posts Toffee, but maybe you should get your eyes tested before you pass comments. I wasn't defending him at all this time. Quite the opposite in fact.

9.) 14 Jan 2018 15:38:11
Martina sucks but 3 managers have all selected him. He is the only option but I'm sure B. S. (can't believe I'm defending BS) knows he's a changer waiting to happen.
You can't do better so stop saying that the u23s left back should be playing. if he was good enough he would be.

Lb a Cb and 2 fast midfielders please. Yesterday I was annoyed at our performance and irrate at B. S. interview on MOTD last night. Today I acknowledge the problems are bigger than coaching.

Let B. S. have 2 more signings (SW claims to have to agree and sign off so we shouldn't get stuck. with a couple of B. S. lumps)
PAY him off in the summer and get a progressive coach for next season.

B. s. is not the way forward. He should be getting the Stoke job.

10.) 14 Jan 2018 07:07:23
ED0333 was he not given a 18 month deal incase it didn't work out as that way if he is sacked in the summer he gets a thank you for keeping us up and we don't have to pay as much as we did to Koeman or Martinez I never wanted him but once appointed he had my support but that support is sliding we play the worst football in the league in our last 5 premiership gameswe have won 0 conceded 8 scored 1 and had 4 SHOTS on target now that is scary.

{Ed0333's Note - my point still stands mate he will prove to be an expensive mistake. You truly didn’t need to make this type of appointment evidence of this was your pursuit of Silva. If you couldn’t get the man you wanted just get in someone who would have done taken it on till the end of the season like Bayern did. Gus Hiddink May have been a good shout?

11.) 14 Jan 2018 23:03:43
I wanted Hiddink as a short term appointment people thought I was mad for saying it, glad I was not alone.



06 Jan 2018 23:29:28
Gueye is good, but does he have the size of a Schneiderlin or Nzonzi (both over 6 foot) that many teams want in their midfield? That physical stature and strength does help at set-pieces (whether attacking or defending) and when retaining or regaining possession of the ball around the pitch. I'm not advocating getting rid of Gueye - far from it - but I'm just seeking the views of other Evertonians.


1.) 07 Jan 2018 00:59:31
Would love to see Gueye along side Nzonzi in the middle with Sig in front of them behind Tosun maybe Bolasie and lookman on the wings, think Gueye and Nzonzi would be an amazing partnership Schneiderlin offers nothing.

2.) 07 Jan 2018 01:49:20
Haven't noticed height helping Schneiderlin doing anything apart from passing sideways or backwards.

3.) 07 Jan 2018 02:16:21
Like saying the same question of Kante, think it’s silly myself, he’s a quality player, what he lacks in size he makes up for with his pace and ability to turn quickly, much better than Schneiderlin.

4.) 07 Jan 2018 02:35:55
Gueye is far better than him and more valuable. More committed when he plays at getting the ball back and puts more effort in. he's a different player in that he covers ground and gets higher up the pitch than Schneiderlin. Nzonzi can take over from Morgan.

That stuff that came about him and Mirallas and the fact his performances have been nowhere last season means his place is the one to go. But i would sell him, he's a bad apple. Bring Nzonzi in and then Benni is another year older, but another year as cup and back up with Davies for injuries.

I personally hope Mac stays fit as i think he offers us some old school aggression and no one can fault his running and effort.

5.) 07 Jan 2018 09:24:55
Look at Paul scholars, small man but what a player, look at the Barcelona team, size didn't matter to them when they were at there best, if your good enough size doesn't matter, I've always lived by that just ask my missiles 🤣🤣, but obviously it depends as well on the style of football you play.

6.) 07 Jan 2018 09:27:58
The difference is that when Kante wins the ball 9 times out of ten he has an option usually ahead of him to move it onto.

7.) 07 Jan 2018 13:05:52
Agree with the height issue but think it applies more at Centre half and for whoever plays alongside Gana. Game these days is more physical so you need someone with the size (and the will to use it) . We looked suseptible every time the RS had a free kick / corner because we couldn't match up to VVD / Gomez / Matip.




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08 Feb 2018 00:26:49
As soon as we reach safety, which is probably 40 points, I'll be looking to see which fringe players and youngsters get a chance in the first-team's remaining fixtures. I don't expect them to shine, but I'd like to see how they perform. I wonder if Allardyce can take that approach or is it just too alien to his football philosophy?


{Ed0333's Note - I would have thought professional pride would get in the way of him playing kids and the fringe players. He’s probably got a contract that gives him monies depending on accrued points and league position at end of the season. I hasten to add I’m not privy to SA’s contract and I could wrong.

1.) 08 Feb 2018 08:20:44
Which is the theory I have about selections for games such as that debacle against Arsenal (first half) . I suspect that our Club is SA's last gig, hence his behaviour and attitude regarding players, selection and tactics all wheighted towards the (suspected) bonus clauses in his contract and maximum extraction of monies. I was one of those that welcomed his appointment and readily admit I was wrong.



08 Feb 2018 00:11:17
For a moment, just put tactics, formations, selections, etc., to one side.
Instead, consider how the players have underperformed, how confidence has nosedived, and how the players are not "carrying out instructions".
There is a clearly a lack of effective leadership from above - and players need/ want that direction, especially a genuine trust/ belief (not just meaningless soundbites) in what the manager is doing.
Our players lack mental strength - they have a "loser's mentality" - and Allardyce is the latest Everton manager that hasn't shown the man-management skills to improve that in the players.
I don't think anyone would suggest that David Moyes (for all his faults) - and certainly Howard Kendall (despite his problems just before the successful years) - didn't build team spirit or didn't work at overcoming setbacks. Their players, by and large, all bought into what they were doing. I haven't seen that under Martinez, Koeman or Allardyce.


1.) 08 Feb 2018 08:33:27
I agree 100% BobbyC1878. However, Martinez had enough time to change the squad and add his ownplayers in. Koeman also had sufficient years to change the squad round. Both these managers then seem to"lose" the dressing room. When Allergy came in, some fans had a pre-conceived idea of how he would manage. There was talk about "hoof it" football. I believe that was a bit unfair on the bloke. I am not a huge fan and nor do I really think that tag is fair. But I do know that the ink isn't dry on his contract yet. Added to which, he inherited a squad that in my view was crumbling. Koeman had spent a load of money, but created a squad that was unbalanced. ie only onenatural left footed player and missing players in their prime age group. between say 23 to 28. Yes there are some brilliant kids. Yes there are still great players coming to the end of their careers. But the ones Koeman signed within their prime. have just not performed. There have also been lengthy injuries to certain key players who would have made a difference. Bolasie, Coleman and Mori and McCarthy have all been out a long time and McCarthy is out again. We all saw what a difference Coleman made. I guess what I am saying is that I agree with what you say but my view on it is that Allergy inherited something that was already doomed due to many factors and he is trying to turn things round. Unfortunately there seems to be some supporters who just don't want him here. Evertonians are a proud bunch and loyal to the club. However, sometimes I look at what is going on and despair a bit at how impatient they are. How critical of certain people within the club. For years Kenwright was accused of taking money out of the club. That he was doing it for selfish reasons. But anyone who has ever spoken with him and listened to him talk will know like I do that when he bleeds, it is blue blood that comes out. His appointment of Moshiri and the stadium and funding in general show that he just wants what all Evertonians want. I do wonder if our own passion is sometimes so big that it puts added pressure on players rather than helping the situation. My 8 year old Grandson went for the 1st time this season and he was scared by the anger and shouting that some Evertonians were displaying (Arsenal at home) . I remember that same feeling as a kid. The noise of hatred and abuse shouted at players and manager alike can sometimes be overwhelming at Goodison. When we are winning and looking good it is a great atmosphere. But when we look poor and players lose confidence, it is vicious and quite horrible. This is the atmosphere that Allergy has inherited and he has only been here a handful of games. Still has other managers players and has managed to scrape a few wins. but the squad he has is from previous managers and I don't believe there is a manager in the world who would have got that squad to gel and perform in a different way. Reality check is that it is a very poor, unbalanced squad with few players in their prime.

2.) 08 Feb 2018 09:15:00
How did Koeman have sufficient years to change the squad around he was only at the club 14 months?

3.) 08 Feb 2018 09:38:39
Got to love degsyp calling him Allergy, I'm certainly allergic to the dross he passes off as football.

4.) 08 Feb 2018 10:17:24
degsyp: good reply.



07 Feb 2018 11:53:44
This Friday (9th February) , RB Leipzig's match is live (7:30pm) on BT Sport 3, so you might get to see Lookman play.


1.) 07 Feb 2018 21:25:21
Schalk v Wolfsburg.



07 Feb 2018 09:40:57
As far as I can determine, Everton have seven young players (some are currently out on loan) who will be classed as aged-over-21 this summer and will therefore have to be registered in the full 25-man squad at the end of the transfer window in order to be eligible for Premier League matches next season.
They are: Charsley, Dyson, Galloway, Henen, Hewelt, Holgate, and Williams J. Apologies if I've missed anyone else.
Which of these do you reckon will be registered in the 25-man aged-over-21 PL squad, which will leave the club on loan, which will leave permanently, and which will be consigned to our U23s? Other than Holgate, I'd reckon the jury is out on the other six I've mentioned.
By the way, other youngsters, like Davies, Dowell, Kenny, Lookman, Vlasic, etc., will still be classed as aged-under-21 this summer.


1.) 07 Feb 2018 13:09:25
Thanks for the information Bobby, don’t know why anyone would give a thumbs down for this. Holgate is a definitely in, not sure about the others but I believe Henen is well thought of so maybe he will be included in the 25.

2.) 07 Feb 2018 14:06:35
think the only ones to be considered there are obviously Holgate, but Williams has done well at Barnsley and the fact we've turned down permanent bids from them say to me he must be rated of a sort? Galloway will be shifted out either perm or loan.

3.) 07 Feb 2018 23:34:52
I would love to see Henen get some first team playing time before the end of the season. I was hoping that DU would have given him some time, but unfortunately that didn't happen.



07 Feb 2018 02:59:17
Although we've had the funds to pay big transfer fees in recent windows (and apparently still do) , it seems to me that it's the regulation about the size of the player wage bill (and how much we can increase it each year) that's a key issue.
I imagine that we could only bring in Tosun and Walcott because we first reduced the wage bill by moving several players out.
Restructuring the squad during the coming Summer will no doubt be subject to the same constraints. The problem will again surely be that, while we could probably afford the big transfer fees, the targeted players (and their agents! ) will want big wages to come to Everton - a club not in the Champions League, not in London, and clearly in transition on and off the field.
Do we -the fans - have the patience to accept that it will take time (maybe 5 years? ) and several transfer windows (because of financial rules) - plus time for our promising U18/ U23 players to develop and progress - before we are genuine and regular challengers?


1.) 07 Feb 2018 10:39:25
I do, I was hoping Koeman would be given at least 3 seasons to get us to a good place, but there you go. He may have been the right man for the job but we will never know now. I can see my beloved blues turning into a side that continually chop and change managers based on short term results due to pressure from impatient fans and the prospective loss of revenue. The Sam out brigade will just move on to the next manager (when we get one) as soon as they start loosing games without really looking at the big picture or long term direction of the club. We used to be a big club now we are a mediocre club with a great history in the game. We are no bigger than the likes of Leicester Stoke or even Bournemouth. If you forget about our remarkable history what have we actually done in the last 10 years that the majority of mid table PL sides haven't done practically nothing. I would like to see some stability brought back into the management, under Moyes we had stability and you can improve over time if you are on a stable footing as he proved. Impatience is killing our club. Oh and for all those who think SA is a fraud can you explain why? As I haven't actually seen a job description of what he was brought into do and as far as I am aware he has not publicly made a statement about what he will achieve while at the club.

2.) 07 Feb 2018 12:59:04
I have never called Sam a fraud, BUT some of the decisions and team selections he has made is the reason most people have negative posts about him. I was willing to give him a chance once he was appointed and give him the benefit of doubt. He will probably achieve what he was brought into do (keep us up) . He done really well at the beginning and has had not the easiest of situations with the unbalanced squad he inherited. I understand some of the things he has done ie not putting so much pressure on our youngsters.
Long term Sam is not the answer although I agree with the recent post about stability and stop the chopping and changing of our manager. We need to begin as soon as we are safe, identify our number 1 target who is available, appoint him ASAP, thank Sam for all he has done and move on for the long term. Sams football is negative fullbacks never push forward etc. Direct football at times is all well and good. If we have a golden generation of youngsters coming through and money to invest, moving into a new stadium I want the team to play attractive football and at the very least play with passion. Martinez possession attacking football with Moyes discipline and set piece drills.

3.) 07 Feb 2018 14:45:20
I am with you sa90. It does seem we Evertonians are split right down the middle. Ones who appreciated that Moyes was doing a great job . and since we have struggled and lost our continuity. Others thought he was too negative and are now saying the same about Allergy. I couldn't believe a poster earlier suggesting that Arsen Wenger was an example of how keeping a manager in for a long while does not work? 20 consecutive years in the top 4, numerous trophies and a team that went a whole season undefeated. And all the while clubs like Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City and Spurs chucking money at their respective teams in order to achieve Champions League qualification. Each one of those teams has failed to qualify during that 20 year period. But yes I guess we will have yet another change in the Summer without giving the guy a chance. I am not saying he is perfect. Nor am I saying all his decisions have been sound. However, to say that when he arrived he had an impact and since we see his true colours does not take into account the fixtures. When he first arrived we palyed teams around our level. Then we had a run against top 6 sides and other teams like WBA who have since proved that they can also battle out a win (ie at Anfield) . I fear for our club just as I did when Martinez was allowing the squad to age and relying on Lukaku and Barkley for goals. I was shouted down then and no doubt I will be shouted down again here. But I think the ability of some of Koeman's signings was over estimated. It says something when Niasse looks like one of your most productive players!

4.) 07 Feb 2018 15:44:41
Degsy. you just need to compare what those other teams have won compared to Arsenal. Chelsea, man u and city have titles, champs league and europa league trophies between them, not to mention the domestic cups they have won. All of them have been more successful than arsenal in recent times.
Take a minute to read the arsenal rumours posts and you will get an idea of how far behind, the fans think they have fallen.
Im sure Wenger supporters will, be happy with only winning 3 fa cups in the last 13 years despite what they have spent as i am sure you are.

5.) 07 Feb 2018 17:38:52
Your missing the point. The football (if you can call it that) is bloody awful, and the team selection is baffling. It is clear to anyone with a basic knowledge in football that this man is out of his depth.

6.) 07 Feb 2018 20:12:48
Personally, Walsh has been the biggest problem at the club. I think if Koeman had the ability to sign his own players he would have got a quality striker, left back and a left sided CB in. He moaned about it all summer but Walsh failed to deliver. Instead he 4 no 10's.

Moyes was a complete failure. He steadied the ship but never took us on to the next level. In 11 years he never looked like winning a trophy and was never a winner type manager. Managers who take chances and go only for the win, erm, win.

Sam is the in mentality but worse than Moyes in style play, slightly.

If we want this club to move forward we need risk takers with an arrogance and attitude that can put them same attributes into the team.

If I ever, ever, hear another Everton manager play down who we are as a club or say knife at a gun fight again I will run onto that pitch and punch him full in the face myself.

Moyes, Sam and the like are losers. They'll never win anything.

Conte, Wenger, Ferguson, Pep and Jose have an undying belief in their management, style and ability to get the best out of the players that success is always just around the corner. We need a manager with that same belief.

Otherwise we spend another 11 years with a manager who's a knife instead of a cannon ball like Jose.




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Dave1878: you make a good point, mate.




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08 Feb 2018 10:11:16
Ed002: thanks for the info.




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07 Feb 2018 23:34:39
Ed002: Why?


{Ed002's Note - He has no interest and is concentrating his efforts on somethhing else outside of England.}



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07 Feb 2018 01:08:05
It’s come to this?




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04 Feb 2018 22:22:00
Who could blame PIckford for moving to a club that wins trophies and regularly plays Champions League football?





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08 Feb 2018 10:27:37
Ed001: wasn’t it a move back north from West Ham that he wanted (because his wife hadn’t settled in London) and their manager (Harry Redknapp) couldn’t believe it when he went to Aston Villa! Unsy quickly (without ever playing for Villa? ) then moved back to Everton.


{Ed001's Note - yes. He was at Villa for just 4 days if I remember correctly. He only went to Villa because Everton showed no interest prior to him moving. Probably just a miscommunication or an attempt to drive down the price on Everton's part which saw him just take the closest club he could get to home. It really was the most bizarre and surreal set of transfers.}



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degsyp: good reply.




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07 Feb 2018 23:46:11
Didn’t Eddie Howe return south from Burnley for personal/ family reasons? Why would he return north - even for a career opportunity such as Everton (the team he supported as a boy) ?




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07 Feb 2018 23:35:55
Why snap him up?




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07 Feb 2018 15:09:03
The “B” teams wouldn’t be allowed to get promoted above the 3rd tier (League 1) , but they could be relegated to the lower tiers. I’d also be in favour of the lower tiers being regionalised from League 1 downwards.
Also, the “B” teams wouldn’t be allowed in the FA Cup or League Cup, but they would be allowed in the Checkatrade Trophy.
It’s all academic anyway, as the lower-tier clubs won’t go for it - even if the “B” teams didn’t get any TV money or prize money and put all their gate money into a shared pool for the non-“B” teams. The PL clubs get enough TV money, etc., for their first teams.