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02 Oct 2017 22:02:26
There are a few (unsubstantiated) reports about Koeman losing the dressing-room and the team not believing in what he's telling them to do.
Be that as it may, it seems that the players just don't trust each other on the pitch and are afraid to be positive and would rather play safe backwards and sideways instead of risking fast forward-going play. Hence the remarks about the lack If confidence and a lack of aggression. As a result, they're nervous and make unforced errors. We need strong leadership and honesty and courage on and off the field.

BobbyC1878

1.) 03 Oct 2017 21:30:23
Not sure why someone disagreed with that Bobby. Seems pretty obvious to me!


 

 

03 Sep 2017 21:36:45
I've read some posts about a "developmental fee" for Ross Barkley being payable in compensation to Everton by whichever other club (Tottenham Hotspur? ) he joins after his Everton contract expires at the end of June 2018 because he had been developed through Everton's academy and been with the club continually (loans excepted) since an early age.
Comparisons were being made to the move of Danny Ings from Burnley to Liverpool.
The key difference is that Barkley will no longer be under 24 (he was born in December 1993) by the time his Everton contract ends and my understanding is that therefore no such fee is required - he would leave for free.

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{Ed002's Note - Correct.}


 

 

02 Sep 2017 13:21:32
Eds:
The readers of this website might not be fully aware that posts not only appear under "Everton Rumours" and "Everton Banter", but also under the headings of "Other Posts", "Polls", "Teams" and "Sightings". There's some interesting stuff on those. Perhaps a reminder on the Rumours and Banter pages wouldn't go amiss?

BobbyC1878

1.) 02 Sep 2017 13:46:28
Still not convinced you're not Cowpat Sid posting under another name Bobby.
Your attention to detail and intuitive posts are so much like Sid's used to be it's eerie.
Please don't take that as an insult, it's meant as a compliment.


2.) 02 Sep 2017 13:57:21
Rhapsody in Blue: OK - if you'd like to call me "Cowpat", that's fine - but don't expect me to dress up or anything kinky - as for languages, I don't do Greek ;-)


3.) 02 Sep 2017 14:11:26
Totally understand and feel the same about not doing Greek :-)


4.) 02 Sep 2017 15:27:39
Ooh you are awful, but I like you ;)


 

 

01 Sep 2017 01:18:35
Niasse's move to Crystal Palace reported to have fallen through. What's next for him?

BobbyC1878

1.) 01 Sep 2017 06:06:24
1st team football as we never got the CF that we have been desperately needing.


2.) 01 Sep 2017 07:30:20
He scored goals for Hull, Disciplinarians such as Koeman though just cannot get their heads around Niasses unorthodox style. We don't know what goes on behind doors or on the training ground, so the end result I is we have to trust in our staff. Does anyone know if he trains with the first Team squad.


3.) 01 Sep 2017 10:16:06
No mate he was with the under 23s before we loaned him to hull last season Koeman will just stick him back there.


4.) 01 Sep 2017 10:35:11
BigD I'm sure he only scored something like 4 in 20 so let's not get too excited.


5.) 01 Sep 2017 12:57:27
Unsworth rates Niasses. Says he has a great attitude works hard and scored a few goals too.


6.) 01 Sep 2017 13:10:35
His style is he isn't a good footballer.


7.) 01 Sep 2017 18:50:09
He played 152 minutes for everton.


8.) 01 Sep 2017 19:32:21
Turkish transfer window closes on the 8th and he seems to have suitors that side.


9.) 01 Sep 2017 22:11:44
Give him a go Rooney can't hold us up for the whole season we have hopefully got plenty of games against half rate teams which he could score if put on a plate.


 

 

20 Jul 2017 14:53:13
There are reports that Fenerbahce are interested in signing Niasse.
Supposedly, they don't want to pay the £10M wanted by Everton and may prefer a loan deal.
Either way, should Everton just accept that the £13.5M paid for Niasse by Martinez was a colossal mistake and now just cut their losses and accept the best deal they can reasonably get for a player that clearly has no future at Everton?

BobbyC1878

1.) 20 Jul 2017 16:18:52
I feel bit sorry for the guy, I know he is not good enough for what we need but he was hardly given a chance and I can think of several players that were here for 2/ 3 seasons who never impressed, and I can't say I've seen enough of him to say weather he is any good but scored some goals on loan at hull in prem.
So I do think we have to take a loss on him but that loss needs to be as minimum as possible don't forget it's business.
I do hope he finds a club plays and does well as he seems like he has conducted him self well throughout unlike a player who has so much talent a great platform to play his football and fans that loved him sorry Ross but your being mis guided.


2.) 20 Jul 2017 17:51:54
Turkish clubs are notorious for not wanting to pay the going rate and trying to get deals done on the cheap. Tell them £10 million sale or no sale. No goats accepted to make up the dosh either!


3.) 20 Jul 2017 19:21:30
You're dead right about Turks driving a hard bargain brian1878.
We were on holiday in Turkey once and I was offered 10 camels for the missus in the local bazaar.
It took a good hour of hard bartering to get him down to 5.
I quite miss her sometimes.

{Ed025's Note - love it RIB..


4.) 20 Jul 2017 20:14:47
Got stitched up with Yobo from same team, once bitten twice shy, cash and he's yours.


 

 

 

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02 Oct 2017 21:03:57
I never cease to be surprised by how the reputation of people (be they football mangers, players, or whatever) are taken as gospel by so many people and how the actual achievements of people aren't honestly judged in the context of the situations they had to deal with. It's so easy to just work on old assumptions rather than take the trouble of honestly reevaluating.
At Everton, the complaints about the current team seem to be a lack of a target-man, no solidly organised defence, ponderous play rather than fast (and occasionally direct) football, and a lack of heart, belief and aggression. Amazing: all those things we bemoan the lack of at Everton are the very things that Allardyce is always criticised for!
He did what he had to do given the limited resources (and dire situations) at his various clubs and surely has to be considered comparatively successful. At Bolton, he did recruit some skilful players alongside the grafters and fighters. Imagine what he could do at Everton with the resources to use even better players in a properly organised and motivated team.
I. m not happy with RK at the moment, but think we need to see how things stand at the end of the year (prior to the January transfer window) and, if a change is then needed, I would not be unhappy with Allardyce.
As for the talk of Ancelotti, what would attract him to us at present and what would attract the players to Everton that he'd want if we're not Champions League regulars or genuine challengers for domestic trophies? He's used to managing established current "elite" clubs, which we could become if we get through the next few seasons unscathed and can get our new stadium and increased income, but we aren't in that group of clubs at this moment in time (despite all of our history) .

BobbyC1878

{Ed025's Note - in the end bobby its all about opinions here, you can make a case for sam and im sure some would agree, myself i see him as an egotistical liar and thief and a blight on english football, but thats as i say just an opinion mate..


1.) 02 Oct 2017 21:32:03
Ed025 - I can see your point about his personal shortcomings, BUT he is effective at managing football teams and his reputed football style is based on cliche rather than a proper look at what he did with the resources he had.
By the way, we’ve had a few scallies at our club over the years, so someone who (allegedly) took a backhander wouldn’t be our first - be it in the team or in the boardroom!

{Ed025's Note - your right mate but i just cant take to the guy..


2.) 02 Oct 2017 23:39:34
Has to go.


3.) 03 Oct 2017 07:14:53
The guy is a crook and up his own arse. Simple as that.

He is like Pulis in that he only gets the best out of teams when they are in trouble. When he's been at a club for a while he struggles to take them forward. As for the football he plays it's not my cup of tea. They both play utter dire uninspiring long ball thuggery football. Not for me.


 

 

02 Oct 2017 19:54:48
It seems to me that many (if not most) observers take the view that Oumar Niasse still doesn't really have a long-term future at Everton, despite his recent goal-scoring return to the first-team.
So, for the rest of this time here (be that January or next Summer) , is he better suited to being an "impact" sub off the bench OR can he be a regular starter?

BobbyC1878

{Ed025's Note - impact sub for me bobby..


1.) 02 Oct 2017 20:05:55
Sub for me unless we play 2 up front.


2.) 02 Oct 2017 21:14:08
Tbh, my stance had always been that I don't know how good he is. You look at the quality in the squad, and there are decent players. However, as a first 11, if the chemistry ain't right then they all look bang average. Other than the keeper who has stood out? For me no one. they don't equal the sum of their parts because the mix is not right. so on that note I ain't certain just how good or bad niasse is, but for 45 mins (he ain't match fit for 90 mins. same as vasilic) I thought niasse did ok.


3.) 03 Oct 2017 07:18:25
He's a weird one. He has good moments and then some that make him look non league.

However, he is one that is giving 100% at the moment when on the pitch and I'd stick with him. I think his future is away from the club though.


4.) 03 Oct 2017 11:27:14
I think there are more than Just Naisse giving 100%.


 

 

29 Sep 2017 11:54:29
Eds, could we have a poll asking, Will Wayne Rooney still be an Everton player next season?

BobbyC1878

{Ed033's Note -


Rooney Poll


 

 

05 Sep 2017 17:56:43
Everton's squad for the Europa League group-stage has been registered with UEFA.
It comprises two sections: List A and List B.

List A has the aged-over-21 players PLUS the aged-under-21 players who haven't yet been with Everton for two years.

List B has the other aged-under-21 players,
Players can be added to List B if needed, but not to List A (except for goalkeepers who can be temporarily replaced subject to approval in the event of long-term absence of the originally registered goalkeepers) .

Because of UEFA's rules about homegrown (association-trained and club-trained) players and about aged-under-21 players, the squad list is different from our registered 25-man Premier League squad.

The squad can be changed (within limits) at the end of the January transfer window.
For now, the squad is as follows. Some interesting inclusions and exclusions in my opinion.

List A (23 players) :
GK (3) - Pickford, Stekelenburg, Robles.
DF (6) - Baines, Keane, Williams A., Jagielka, Martina, Coleman.
MF (11) - Schneiderlin, Barkley, Mirallas, Lennon, McCarthy, Gueye, Sigurdsson, Klaasen, Besic, Vlasic, Lookman
FW (3) - Sandro, Rooney, Calvert-Lewin

LIst B (4 players) :
Holgate, Connolly, Kenny, Davies.

BobbyC1878

1.) 05 Sep 2017 20:01:14
Interesting that Barkley has been included. Can't play for two teams in the same competition.


2.) 05 Sep 2017 22:26:06
What if the club he joins in January is still in the Champions League (and not in the Europa League) ? Wouldn't he be eligible to play for them?

{Ed002's Note - no.}


3.) 05 Sep 2017 23:49:21
Great info BobbyC are there limits to the number of players that can be on these lists A and B? Is list A limited to 25 like the Premier League?


4.) 06 Sep 2017 02:12:26
Southern Toffee: LIst A is limited to 25 players; List B is unlimited.


5.) 06 Sep 2017 09:16:22
ed, what is the opinion on bolasie not being included in this? or am I just not seeing his name haha!

{Ed002's Note - He is injured.}


6.) 06 Sep 2017 09:41:44
Coleman is on the list - and only 23 are listed, why not Bolasie?

{Ed001's Note - Bolasie is not due back before January.}


7.) 06 Sep 2017 11:12:47
interesting ed, farhad said on sky that coleman and bolasie be back in October and December respectively, could of course be mistaken, thanks ed!

{Ed001's Note - he might be back in training etc, but it is very unusual for a player who suffers an ACL injury to be anywhere near the player they were for a season or more.}


 

 

04 Sep 2017 14:03:14
Maybe one of the Eds could clarify something?
It's not directly related to Everton, but might have some future bearing on the club as it builds up its sponsorship, commercial, and match day (new stadium) income - or (possibly? ) tries to attract other wealthy shareholders like Mr Moshiri - and looks to spend bigger fees and wages on recruiting and retaining better players and invests in the club's infrastructure (stadium, training ground, academy, community, etc. )
I've read reports that Real Madrid and Barcelona have complained to the football authorities about the FFP compliance of Paris Saint-Germain and Manchester City following their massive transfer expenditure.
It's reported that while the regulators quite rightly actively monitor all clubs' income versus expenditure, they are taking a particular interest in these clubs' latest dealings.
My question is this: have the likes of Real Madrid benefitted from favourable financial "arrangements" with their local and national governments, etc., in the past and, if so, isn't it hypocritical of them to now complain when other clubs use their "relationships" (e. g. with oil-rich owners, etc. ) to their financial advantage - especially as PSG, etc., claim to be acting within the letter of the law (as per current rules and regulations) if not (many observers would say) the spirit?
I don't claim to know what the real reason is, but it seems like the old elite clubs don't like having these newly-monied upstarts challenging for the riches and rewards at football's top table.

BobbyC1878

{Ed002's Note - (a) Real Madrid and Barcelona have no way to submit complaints to UEFA so I suspect whatever you have been reading is incorrect. (b) UEFA has met with PSG twice to understand their intended means of compliance. (c) Neither side needs to demonstrate they are compliant until the relevant accounts are submitted next year. (d) Numerous clubs are monitored each year due to prior infractions. (d) Hypocricy is of no relevance, it is a fact based determination against regulations. (e) I don't know what ytou mean about "the spirit", as I have said, it is an evidenced determination of compliance. (f) Real Madrid and Barcelona remain very much "elite" clubs with income well beyond the likes of Manchester City and PSG so I don't really get that point. They remain two of the "elite" clubs that meet a couple of times each year to discuss major issues, proposed rulemaking changes, FFP, the eventual Pan-European Breakaway, the new Far Eastern Expansion and money matters related to other parties looking to exploit European football across the world. The clubs met in Monaco less than two weeks ago and bother Real Madrid and Barcelona were present with this "elite" band and were as vocal as ever.}


1.) 04 Sep 2017 14:42:42
Bobby the complaint to UEFA is by La Liga not an independent club.


2.) 04 Sep 2017 15:05:12
bluegray87: that may well be the case, but Real Madrid and Barcelona, while not exactly pulling the strings, will surely have been bending the ear of La Liga.


3.) 04 Sep 2017 14:55:16
Ed002 - thanks as always for the in-depth response.
I'm probably mis-remembering, but I thought that a few years ago there were murmurings about the favourable financial treatment that Real Madrid enjoyed from their national and local governments. That's what I meant by hypocrisy, BUT I accept that FFP is now a factual, evidence based system.
I also do accept that the "elire" clubs want to protect their position - quite understandably of course - but I remain sceptical (albeit that's emotional rather than rational! ) about the attitude of the "elite" clubs to other clubs competing for the worldwide riches available for top-class European football.
I guess that I - like even other fan - should simply enjoy the football and not get too interested in these other aspects, but I do find them fascinating.

{Ed002's Note - (a) Yes Real Madrid did get favors due to the training pitches back in 1998. It was long before FFP and I really don't know why you want to bring that in to this. Additionally a number of Spanish sides (Valencia, Barcelona, Elche, Athletic Bilbao, Real Madrid, Osasuna and Hercules) were found to be paying incorrect tax and getting state aid benefit dating back to the 1990s. Again this has all long been addressed and are of zero relevance to FFP or what is happening nowadays. If you want a current example, try Everton and the involvement of Liverpool City Council in the new stadium and the impact of that upon their FFP. (b) The "elite" clubs are a group that meet with a view to issues which concern themselves and what they see as the way forward for football. There is nothing whatsoever to be sceptical about - it is a very real situation.}


4.) 04 Sep 2017 15:55:36
"The complaint was by La Liga not an independent club" or, to put it more accurately, it was on La Liga headed notepaper. It is undoubtedly the "old guard" seeking to hinder the new and doing what they can to ensure that the status quo remains.

{Ed002's Note - La Liga cannot complain either. They have been told this before.}


 

 

 

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02 Sep 2017 13:57:21
Rhapsody in Blue: OK - if you'd like to call me "Cowpat", that's fine - but don't expect me to dress up or anything kinky - as for languages, I don't do Greek ;-)

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01 Sep 2017 15:03:42
Ed002 - ho, ho, ho.

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01 Sep 2017 11:31:42
Ed002: the only thing that's ever "nailed on" is Everton (and other clubs') fans wishful thinking when it comes to rampant unsubstantiated rumours on social media.
It used to be the printed press that "never let the truth get in the way of a good story", but now it's the fans who never let common sense get in the way of a good rumour - but, I guess by definition, a rumour is just gossip and hearsay rather than verified fact.

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01 Sep 2017 11:25:15
I understand that under the rules he could only sign a pre-contract with a non-English club in January - although his agent (s) could no doubt have something agreed "unofficially" with a Premier League club.

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01 Sep 2017 11:20:10
Whether he went for £30M this window or goes for £15M in January or nothing next Summer, it's really not our (the fans) money - although I agree that it's fascinating for fans to banter about it.
Besides, modern football;s finances (fees and wages) are just crazy and only sustainable while broadcasting revenues are so huge - if that bubble burst, then how quickly would loads of clubs go broke?

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02 Oct 2017 21:32:03
Ed025 - I can see your point about his personal shortcomings, BUT he is effective at managing football teams and his reputed football style is based on cliche rather than a proper look at what he did with the resources he had.
By the way, we’ve had a few scallies at our club over the years, so someone who (allegedly) took a backhander wouldn’t be our first - be it in the team or in the boardroom!

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{Ed025's Note - your right mate but i just cant take to the guy..


 

 

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02 Oct 2017 20:19:12
He’s probably a flight attendant for a holiday charter airline. After dealing with a load of rude passengers, it must be a piece of cake dealing with the posters on this website ;-)

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{Ed025's Note - maybe he was with monarch bobby..


 

 

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06 Sep 2017 02:12:26
Southern Toffee: LIst A is limited to 25 players; List B is unlimited.

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05 Sep 2017 22:26:06
What if the club he joins in January is still in the Champions League (and not in the Europa League) ? Wouldn't he be eligible to play for them?

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{Ed002's Note - no.}


 

 

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04 Sep 2017 14:55:16
Ed002 - thanks as always for the in-depth response.
I'm probably mis-remembering, but I thought that a few years ago there were murmurings about the favourable financial treatment that Real Madrid enjoyed from their national and local governments. That's what I meant by hypocrisy, BUT I accept that FFP is now a factual, evidence based system.
I also do accept that the "elire" clubs want to protect their position - quite understandably of course - but I remain sceptical (albeit that's emotional rather than rational! ) about the attitude of the "elite" clubs to other clubs competing for the worldwide riches available for top-class European football.
I guess that I - like even other fan - should simply enjoy the football and not get too interested in these other aspects, but I do find them fascinating.

BobbyC1878

{Ed002's Note - (a) Yes Real Madrid did get favors due to the training pitches back in 1998. It was long before FFP and I really don't know why you want to bring that in to this. Additionally a number of Spanish sides (Valencia, Barcelona, Elche, Athletic Bilbao, Real Madrid, Osasuna and Hercules) were found to be paying incorrect tax and getting state aid benefit dating back to the 1990s. Again this has all long been addressed and are of zero relevance to FFP or what is happening nowadays. If you want a current example, try Everton and the involvement of Liverpool City Council in the new stadium and the impact of that upon their FFP. (b) The "elite" clubs are a group that meet with a view to issues which concern themselves and what they see as the way forward for football. There is nothing whatsoever to be sceptical about - it is a very real situation.}