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25 Jan 2018 21:05:31
Time to finish the post that my busy fingered daughter sent this morning before I finished it.

I've been thinking (never good news). I want to look at this situation not from an Evertonian but an Allardyce perspective.
Fair to say that there was some oppostion to his appointment. The against camp would argue that he came with a reputation as a "money grabber" and a defensive, hoof it and hope coach.

Allardyce proponents would argue that he was a victim of circumstance. He had cut his coat according to his cloth and at the clubs he hsd managed he'd had only very low grade cloth available. I think the Allardyce camp woild argue that there was evidence at Bolton, Okocha et al, that given the opportunity he was not a one dimensional coach.

They would also argue that this was his chance to alter his legacy. An opportunity with a club that has some resource and would allow him to show that his previous clubs had forced him to stiflehis desire to play a progressive style of football because of their desperate need for results and inability to attract the type of player that he might prefer.

If we accept the pro Allardyce case that he was constrained by circumstance in the past and now he has the opportunity to break free of those shackles and once and for all destroy the image of him as a money grabber (see his England demise) and a negative coach (see West Ham inter alia).

If that is his position, do you think that we are yet in a position to say he has achieved that? If not what do you think are the signs that he might yet?

Glennk

1.) 25 Jan 2018 22:55:39
It’s very simple Glennk.
Time will tell.


2.) 26 Jan 2018 10:22:58
He came into a mess left by a highly reputable manager and adopted a completely unbalanced team, low on confidence, with a lack of cohesion and who were completely strugglingwith relegation fear rearing its ugly head. i'm mot a SA fan really to be honest, i didn't want him and don't think he is long term (what is these days though? ) But perspective needs to be added whem judging him. Too early yet to say.


 

 

14 Jan 2017 04:32:11
Just read the list of clubs for which 24 yr old Belfodil has played. Very nervous. Either he's a twat or his agent is and he's a bit of a numb nuts and trails round wherever his agent points him.

Glennk

1.) 14 Jan 2017 07:40:04
Sorted himself out a bit at Liege, by the looks of things.


2.) 14 Jan 2017 09:05:39
Mayou be wrong but I heard he previously had problems as he was owned by a third party that caused issues. But either way, he does seem to be doing better


3.) 14 Jan 2017 11:06:27
I think his many moves has been down to his agent. The stalling point on him coming to us is down to the agent. Some of them have far too much influence over players and do not always act with the players best interests at heart.


4.) 14 Jan 2017 19:11:23
If anybody wants to know why every Everton transfer becomes a dog and pony show, the answer is Bill Kenwright, Bill, for god sake step away. Some people think he's wonderful, mr everton, other are (lets be kind) less convinced, but which ever camp you fall into, surely it must be recognised that it is time for him to step away from an active roll.


 

 

 

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10 Mar 2018 19:24:14
Very reluctant to say that I think that's us across the line just in case I jinx it but I do think so especially as other results went our way.
Hopefully that will encourage a more flowing style of play. I say hopefully because we've had a couple of false dawns this season. However, right now I'll take what I'm given.

Glennk

{Ed025's Note - not great glen but a deserved win..


1.) 10 Mar 2018 22:13:35
Beg to differ, first 45 mineuts as well as we have played all season. Just one grip, with baines on, Rooney, who has missed two this season, should not have taken the pen.


 

 

25 Feb 2018 16:27:54
People have been posting about the improvement that Allardyce has brought about so I thought that I would have a look. Initially, I am just looking at stats; no thougt of playing style whther we have been lucky or unlucky or whether results are deserved or underserved.
When SA took over we had played 14 games for 15 points. Since he took over 14 games for 19 points. It isn't a huge improvement but it is an improvement ad maybe sufficient improvement.
If Allardyce's stewardship had not produced that additional 4 points we would have been between 13-15 depending on goal difference. In truth from 30 points at this stage we would probably survive but it would be a bit more sweaty that what this promises to be.

Allardyce took over after the emphatic victory over West Ham and enjoyed a short term upturn in the team's fortunes. It may well be that had he continued Unsworth would have reaped the benefit of the post West Ham confidence boost. In truth the point is moot and we can never know.
Looking forward we have 10 remaining fixtures; 5 at home and 5 away.
If we are as pessimistic as we can be so that any surprises are pleasant ones, we should discount any return from the home matches with Liverpool and City. that leaves Brighton, Newcastle and Southampton. Now whilst you would see all those as winnable, if we consider in full on pessimistic mode, we must surely win 1 and get a couple of draws. That would give us 5 points and take us to 39.
We have the 5 away games to get 1 point to get to the holy grail of 40 points. I know that we are worse than awful away but surely there must be 1 point away at Burnley, Stoke, Swansea, Huddersfield and West Ham. So in the end those 4 extra points whether due to the Allardyce factor or a wave of confidence generated by Unsworth look to be 4 points of gold.

Glennk

1.) 25 Feb 2018 16:54:31
Good post mate.


2.) 25 Feb 2018 17:20:32
Interesting post Glenn, nice one.


3.) 25 Feb 2018 17:40:23
Hi Grumpy mate, what's going to happen to Big Sam do you reckon, i'm like you I will give my total support to whoever is in charge.


4.) 25 Feb 2018 18:58:39
Glennk and not to say given Sam and Unsy's combined results that Koeman would have achieved the end result if given time. I would even include Brown Shoes in that, we did after all finish 11th in his bad season.


5.) 25 Feb 2018 19:19:16
I know I'm not Grumpy GB but he's done little to show that if he sees out his contract things will improve on what we are seeing now. If being predominantly ultra defensive and still losing is the kind of football you want to see he's definitely your man. If that happens I'll support the team fully as I do now but I won't like it.


6.) 25 Feb 2018 19:53:11
I think he will leave in the summer mate.


7.) 25 Feb 2018 20:13:00
I think so too. I can't see Moshiri putting up with this any longer than he has to even if it costs him a few ££.


8.) 25 Feb 2018 20:23:48
Realistically GB it will all depend on availability. What we need in a new manager will be someone who wants to manage us to move us forward not someone who has come on board for a good pay cheque.

It is imperative that the next manager we have is the right one and meets all of the brief and not just parts of it, if that manager is not yet available or if indeed they do not wish to join us then I can see SA staying on next season, Unless something remarkable happens next season with SA in charge then I do not see the club extending his contract.

If there is a manager who meets the brief and is willing to join us for the right reasons then SA will be out. In my opinion the board have been clever in giving in to his so called demand of an 18 month contract as it gives them a lot more time to find a suitable replacement. With so much in the pipeline the next one really has to be the right one mate.


9.) 25 Feb 2018 20:33:45
Agree mate I see now that Sam has lower points per game average than both Koeman and Martinez, i reckon he will be on his bike mate.


10.) 25 Feb 2018 20:51:08
Agree Big H especially with the new stadium in the pipeline, Mr Moshiri will want a top coach and I am sure he can persuade him to come to Everton.


11.) 25 Feb 2018 21:22:31
If Sam is only going to get the remainder of his contract then the club would be suicidal in keeping him.

How do you sell a club to a player when it's just a 12 month contract?

If we want to sign good players we have to sell them a longer term vision than 12 months. Also why would we sign players for Sam's vision to then have to do it all over again in 12 months with a new manager. We are bleeding money right now and it will very soon start to dry up.

We need a new man in place this summer that is going to bring a fresh new vision and project and then back him properly in the summer.

To give the new man a chance of success he has to be given time by the board and the fans. That may mean we accept the hiccups along the way. However, for us to accept this we need a brave board that understands what we want which is a brand of football that gets you excited and then give it time to make it work.

{Ed025's Note - great post that john..


12.) 26 Feb 2018 06:59:07
I can see allardyce going a few days after the last game (unless we finish 7th) with Walsh shortly after that.


13.) 26 Feb 2018 10:46:52
It was less than 5 weeks ago the majority were saying we should sign this player and should sign that player BJU.


14.) 26 Feb 2018 11:23:10
BJU, that is exactly why we will be looking for a new manager come the summer, it makes no sense to support a manager and his notions for 12 months to then rip it up and start again, that's what I'm hoping and praying that we do.
Pay them all off and start with a new manager with a 4 year plan.


15.) 26 Feb 2018 12:32:27
And i think Grumpy the Tosun deal shows how important it is we get a new strong manager with his own ideas and back him. Not a manager brought in to support walsh and the board.

We as supporters will wish for new players and there was a need for pace and width. Thankfully Theo came in because if we didn't we'd be 1 point of the relegation places.

Koeman wanted a striker a left back a centre back and left winger in the summer on top of what we bought. Walsh got none of them.

It's time Walsh and the board to take a look at themselves. I like the board and all of them on it but they've got to understand Walsh is the DOF and it's the manager who picks the team and who plays in it.


 

 

18 Feb 2018 08:05:07
Just watched highlights of 1966 Cup Final on BBC website. Defiantly saying Treble Cock in my head in honour of all Evertonians of that vintage.

Glennk

1.) 18 Feb 2018 12:24:13
Great comeback.


2.) 18 Feb 2018 19:18:18
I was at the game, anyone else?


 

 

05 Feb 2018 11:44:07
If that game is us trying to park the bus, does anyone know if you can sign a bus driver outside the window?

Glennk

1.) 05 Feb 2018 17:57:01
Maybe we all got on the wrong bus? We certainly ended up somewhere none of us expected. Especially after the cost of the fare!


2.) 05 Feb 2018 18:00:00
I heard eavesway were trying to sign Sam as coach driver but he can't park the bus properly. *not quitting my day job*.


3.) 05 Feb 2018 19:34:18
We had an open top to, go with the wide open back. Whilst giving all the Arsenal players a free pass.


 

 

04 Feb 2018 12:35:34
I want to comment on Tosun or more accurately the issues that his signing and subsequent treatment have thrown up.
We were told that the failure to replace Lukaku was the reason why it had all gone wrong. Putting aside all the valid points about Lukaku leaving was not exactly a surprise and we should have had plans a-z in place before he moved and fast forward to this window.
We sign Tosun. He is billed as the answer to a maiden's prayer; the man that will resolve all our attacking problems and be the teeth of the team where there were none before.
As I have said previously, no player signed from the Turkish league has ever transformed an English Premier League side. It was highly unlikely that Tosun would be the first to do so and more importantly unfair to expect him to do so That point is hammered home by the fact that by the end of the window he cannot command a place in the team and when an extra striker is brought on it is Calvert-Lewin and not Tosun. There is something seriouslu awry with the recruitment at the club.

Glennk

1.) 04 Feb 2018 13:53:04
Agree wholeheartedly with your comments, but it's not just Tosun. Almost all of the players signed by whoever in the last couple of windows are either just average, sitting on the bench, still trying to adjust to the prem league or sent out on loan. It beggars belief that this is going on at our club. What I'd like to know where does the buck stop for making decisions on transfer, is it Walsh or the manager or Moshiri? I'm sure that when Moshiri came in with the promises of making us a top four club a lot of us said, at last someone with money to invest in quality players. Well plenty of money spent allright but I would love to know where the quality is.


2.) 04 Feb 2018 15:21:06
Tosun was just a recent and stark illustration.


3.) 04 Feb 2018 23:28:16
I'm disagreeing but.
We all seem to think that players are not allowed any time to settle in a foreign country anymore.

I'd wager 70% of successful imports had a tricky 1st 12months.

Sure the money these days entitles us to expect instant results.
I'm sure that the club especially with those clowns in charge, will do their evil best to poison the club so next season is also another wasted one trying to regain ground we've lost.

I can't believe anyone thought B. S. was a good idea. All because we got too precious about an arrogant Dutch man who didn't communicate entirely kissing EFC backside.
He would have had us about where we are. But he would have been a much better coach for the negative experience.

Oh well. get him and all his cronies out and get a forward thinking coach.
Embarrassed us yesterday and himself in the interviews. He's a moron.


 

 

 

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25 Apr 2018 10:28:18
When Allardyce was appointed thos who opposed the appointment did so on the basisthat he is nothing more than Fireman Sam, a man who rescues struggling sides from situations where the end justifies the means.
His proponents argued that the reputation was unjustified. He had it only because circumstance had thrust him into situations where expediency was all. They argued that now that he was manager of a club with more resource we would see more of the Sam that was hinted at by the like of Jay Jay Okocha and Yuri Djorkaeff.
Relegation having been unlikely for some time and completely off the cards for the last three games then surely it is time for us to catch a glimpse of Sam, Sam the free flowing football man. Thus far he has been elusive.

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21 Apr 2018 10:43:19
I see the rest of the season as something of a watershed. On truth our season is done. We will play nobody who would remotely justify negativity. It is time for Allardyce to show that he is capable of setting up as side which is at least attempting to play and not just stop.

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08 Apr 2018 17:40:13
Been looking into the points from losing positions deal. It turns out to be really quite like the league table but with some interesting anomalies.
Best are Man City who average 1.67 pts per game from losing positions but have had only 6 deficits
then Man Utd 1.25 pts avge per deficit
Liverpool 1.00 pt
Spurs 0.92

The first outlier is Bournemouth who are fifth at 0.78

Everton are 8= with Chelsea 0.62 just ahead of Leicester 0.61

The most anomalies are the disaster areas

West Brom are worst 0.05 from deficits but they don't get many points altogether

WBA, Huddersfield and Brighton have not won from behind. The surprise being Brighton, tipped for survival, who average only 0.13 from behind but Brighton have relatively few deficitis (15 same as Burnley 0.67) .

Newcastle, also tipped to survive, only realise 0.33 from behind which is the same as seemingly doomed Stoke.

Swansea are a bit of a surprise on 0.43 and at 0.39 Southampton are better than you might expect.

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08 Apr 2018 14:37:32
Right now there is no joy in watching Everton. I might just might be able to swallow that. It's the fact that there is precious little prospect of joy that depresses me.

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08 Apr 2018 14:33:57
Is that only because we have had a lot of opportunities to come from behind. The telling stat would be number of games in which a team goes behind against number of points gained in those games.

Glennk