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11 Feb 2018 11:33:39
Good to see some positive posts on here, Posts that actually encourage participation instead of the constant moaning and false information that has become the "norm" on here as of late.

Did anyone else notice a big change in Pickford yesterday? He seemed a lot more aggressive in his saves, he was no longer happy just parrying the ball with his saves he was determined to clear the ball away from the danger area, every save he made he was pushing the ball away, good keeping in my book.

Yesterday showed why SA is a manager and we are not. Had some of you been listened to then Martina would no longer be with us nor would Sigi, Theo would not of been signed, Rooney would of been dropped and been retired off. Sometimes in life we all make stupid demands but that does not make us stupid people, what does make us stupid is when we continuously make those stupid demands.

Since SA has taken over we have only conceded 6 goals at home, 2 of those have been penalties, that is a massive improvement over both DU and RK, in fact over the same time span SA has more than doubled the average points per game (home and away) than RK. Now you can hit me with a bat and a rusty nail if that is not an improvement.

A lot of you have all of a sudden over the last week, been saying how much you supported SA when he first joined, Now I know I'm an old grumpy git but my memory is not that bad, The sheer malice has been here from the day he signed, many if not most have never supported him in the slightest. Some of you in fairness have given him a chance but for every positive post they make it tends to get drowned out by so many negative posts that trawling through them becomes tedious.

It has never been a secret that I have supported SA from the very beginning nor is it a secret that I will continue to support him until he gets replaced, He is our manager and will remain so until the powers that be decide otherwise. The fact that I do support does not mean that he was my first choice nor does it mean that I feel he is our long term solution but I do think he is the right choice for stabilising the club and getting it ready for a better manager to take over in the future. That is going to take at the very least another season. It may not pleasant but neither are most medicines.

I had decided in my in-formate wisdom not to post here again for the rest of the season and to only show up in live chat (which really is good, more of you should pop in on match days we always have some great debates) . Smit666 and GB have convinced me to return here and I would like to thank both of them for doing so. Now you all know who to blame for my return.

1.) 11 Feb 2018 12:05:38
Hi Grumpy mate agree with you there 100% your post above sums us up to a tee, we have to get behind whoever is in charge and give em our total support, if Big Sam is moved on in the summer and Mr Moshiri brings in Fonesca or whoever then we will get behind them the same, We are Everton and we are better than a lot of posters on here try to make us, great to have you on here mate good posts as always KEEP IT UP, cheers.

2.) 11 Feb 2018 12:39:58
Thanks GB mate.

My take on it is if we support Everton then MUST include everyone from the owners to the toffee lady, From the stewards to the tea ladies, Form EITC to all of the back room staff. We may not like the tea the tea lady makes, but we will make do until another comes along and in the mean time we will support her, Why? because she is part of Everton.

3.) 11 Feb 2018 12:54:47
Easy post after a good result and decent showing mate. I know what your saying, yes we need to show support to the whole club. But a lot of the things said on here are people letting off steam after abysmal displays which you can't blame them for. Plus people theorise what's gone wrong what could be better, there is no problem with that as that is our perogative as fans and is part of this site. This is a site were people can voice there opinions and negative opinions are opinions. I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others.

4.) 11 Feb 2018 12:56:23
i swear to god i saw these same type of posts after the leeicester win yet after we got mauled at arsenal everyone turned the heat back on
one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season.

5.) 11 Feb 2018 13:00:03
You are right there mate, put money on tho you will get some thumbs down lol.

6.) 11 Feb 2018 13:17:16
BlueTit mate, can you not see the irony in what you said, " I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others. " yet it seems acceptable to push the negativity onto others. the current trend seems to be to accept negativity and not to be positive.

Evertonthings you are right " one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season " and the key here is that is has been happening all season (your words not mine) , The problems we have were already here before SA joined us. Facts do not lie, at home we are far better under SA than we were under both RK and DU for the same amount of games. So I am sure that even the most ardent SA hater will have to agree that we are 50% there.

7.) 11 Feb 2018 13:52:40
Of course they were here Grumpy mate before Big Sam ever set foot in the doors of Everton, some posters just will not grasp and accept it shame really, but you know the old saying the truth always hurts mate.

8.) 11 Feb 2018 15:33:26
Opinions are opinions, posters are posters, eds are eds and we are all blues. Nothing will change and I love the input on here from everyone whether I think it is right or wrong. These posts make me think in other ways sometimes and I like that.
Welcome back Grumpy.

9.) 11 Feb 2018 15:45:57
Thanks Smit mate you are exactly right. There are no right or wrong opinions but there are many that are different to how we perceive things.

None of my posts are intended to upset others, but I do try and give an alternative view on things and will always try and get people to think outside the box a little.

The biggest change in the club that has happened is the fan base, maybe it is time for us old farts to move aside, because sadly we do not really fit in anymore.

10.) 11 Feb 2018 15:50:41
Too right mate good banter is good for everyone.

11.) 11 Feb 2018 17:59:55
You will always got in grumpy.

12.) 11 Feb 2018 19:20:19
You know I disagree with you Grumpy mate, but I love your post, it would be boring if we all think the same.

13.) 11 Feb 2018 19:25:17
opinions are the best thing mate.

14.) 11 Feb 2018 20:46:38
Cheers Stig mate, missed you in live chat yesterday, hope all is well your end mate.

15.) 11 Feb 2018 22:13:53
Brilliant original post Grumpy. Totally agree with everything you said.

16.) 12 Feb 2018 10:47:12
Thanks NBTB mate.

17.) 12 Feb 2018 12:15:10
Honestley mate, I see no irony whatsoever in what i said.

18.) 12 Feb 2018 15:50:25
Sorry Blue-tit mate you're right I meant hypocrisy, no idea why I said irony sorry.

19.) 13 Feb 2018 07:42:49
Grumpy you keep mentioning about "preparing the club for a better manager. What is it you mean by this exactly? Do you think all clubs should use a prep manager? because when most clubs sack a manager it's because things aren't going well so is everyone else missing a trick in not using a prep manager to get the club ready to appoint a good manager?

20.) 13 Feb 2018 09:42:37
Lets not be pedantic Toffeewavey you Know exactly what I mean.

21.) 13 Feb 2018 15:27:27
Nor do i see any hypocrisy.

22.) 13 Feb 2018 17:11:55
Let me explain.

You seem to find it ok to put negative views regarding SA onto people yet at the same time tell people who are putting positives views onto people they are wrong for doing it.

That Sir is hypocrisy.

" I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others. " (your words mate not mine)

23.) 13 Feb 2018 17:43:14
Grumpy I think you are fighting a losing battle on this one, but I completely agree with you. Everton fans are a fickle bunch.
We had a manager that loved to play attacking football so much so that he never closed a game out in Martinez, the fans moaned and we got rid.
We then got in a "Future Barcelona" manager and that turned to crap.
Now we have a manager that is practical, and taken us from bottom 3 to 2 points from 7th and that is not good enough.
I just wish fans would make up their minds what they want.

24.) 13 Feb 2018 18:57:20
I think you're right Sidneytheblue I am fighting an un - winnable battle but I have enjoyed the fight.

Got to think of something for next week now mate.

25.) 13 Feb 2018 22:43:14
I didn't push negative views onto anybody. I just made a comment and your being pissy about it because its wasnt fully agreeing with your opinion. that's sir is being a pretentous srcastic little boy (or girl) .

26.) 14 Feb 2018 08:59:23
Here we go.

Blue-tit here is another fact for you. When any kind of debate reaches the stage that one of the parties strays away from the original subject matter and resorts to personal attacks, that person has run out of anything constructive to say.

Debate is now closed for me.

{Ed025's Note - good idea..

27.) 17 Feb 2018 13:17:15
My original post was made in soft manner. You called me hypocrtitical in a pretentious manner. I called that out. You were being 'pissy' I called it out. You can't be abraisive and act like the response is out of turn. Now, its closed for me.

28.) 17 Feb 2018 17:31:20
It's like being back in the school playground on here sometimes. 🙃😋.



16 Jan 2018 16:19:51
Theo having medical.

1.) 16 Jan 2018 17:55:30
Excellent news mate, on to the next one for Big Sam to bring in,

2.) 16 Jan 2018 18:21:49
Looks like he isn't mate you have a thumbs down, beyond me mate.

3.) 16 Jan 2018 19:48:16
lol got 4 thumbs down that he is having a medical. Must be the closet Liverpool fans mate, be a lot more if it was people who don't like me on here lol.

4.) 16 Jan 2018 19:58:20
Love it mate made me laugh, ooohhh.

5.) 16 Jan 2018 20:37:09
Grumps and Guernsey, your only playing at it mate, I got a nine thumbs down and a minus one in thumbs up, must be a record, still let's not be negative this is almost fame, made me laugh too.

6.) 16 Jan 2018 20:43:56
Wow mate got some catching up to do then cheers.

7.) 16 Jan 2018 21:40:44
Got to admit 9 is not too bad.

I once got a thumbs down when saying R. I. P to someone who had passed away. Myself and Guernsey tend to get them all of the time lol.



08 May 2017 14:32:38
Ok here is a very surprising fact for you all to ponder.
Lukaku with all of his goals has only produced 10 points for us this season (excludes assists) So had Lukaku not played for us we would be 10 points less than we have now, But we would still be in the same league position as we are now.

If nothing else that fact has made me look at him in a different light.

1.) 08 May 2017 16:46:21
Not a good way to look at it, are you saying he is only worth 10pts to us based on goal where he one us the game. He is the focal point when he plays well we usually get results and if he's bad usually we loose. He will be a massive lose next year if he goes, as we will not only need to replace his goals but add to them that's why we are 7th as if there was someone getting 10 - 15 as well that would be the difference, he's top goalscorer in league and we are 7th that tells you everything you need to know, and by the way take him out of the team and are top goal scorer is OG.

2.) 08 May 2017 17:37:49
I would agree not a good way to look at it but i think you are over-stating his value. Yes he scores goals but if he is not actually scoring he offers very little. Touch is poor, doesn't run the channels, won't chase lost causes. So when you away from home, under the cosh, as per Man U a few weeks ago - he may as well not be there.

Look at Costa - doesn't score the same no. of goals but i bet not many Chelsea supporters would rather have Rom. Aguero, Suarez, Sanchez all offer far more than just goals

I am not comparing the two but Marcus Bent scored nowhere near the goals Rom does - but gave far, far more to the team.

Something between the two would be ideal.

3.) 08 May 2017 19:26:58
Let's face it boys golden boot only because he's had most goals put on a plate for him he's not a team player he spat his dummy out with Williams a couple of weeks ago. A bigger worry is the next top scorer is Barkley with 8.

{Ed025's Note - oh what i would give for prolific midfielder who scored on a regular basis AB..

4.) 08 May 2017 20:50:57
I'm not actually saying anything TrueBlue, I am merely stating a fact and also mentioned that the fact does exclude assists. It is not meant as a critique nor is it meant as a pat on the back.

It is just a fact nothing more nothing less.

5.) 08 May 2017 21:47:03
I'd love to know what time goals were worth last season. we had one of the worst home records in Europe. don't forget that. don't be too hasty to dismiss the most prolific striker we've had in 30 yrs.

{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

6.) 08 May 2017 22:57:09
Why would we only be 10 points worse off. You are assuming we would have dropped all those 10 points, who's to say with all our play being fed to Lukaku, some of the others may have scored, everyone is saying goals from others are a poor return, could that not be down to all our play being directed to Rom, if you look at Lukaku goals rarely is he the first goal scorer, he does seem to score when we have a lead, so be interesting to know the stats on how many 1 nil win goals he has scored.

7.) 09 May 2017 16:01:28
The games where lukaku has been the only scorer and we have gone on to win are 1. That was away to Sunderland where he scored a hat- trick. This season he has scored zero goals in a 1 - 0 win. He has scored in two 1 - 1 draws against Man City away and home to Crystal Palace. We have won 4 games where he scored more than 1 goal. We have lost 1 game away to Watford where he scored more than 1 goal.



09 Apr 2017 21:34:38
Good result today and an important one that could bode well for us regarding pressure.

We now only need 11 points for us to guarantee us 7th place and European football next season. That is if Southampton Win every game they have left, Should they lose one we only need 8 points. Now 8 points with the final run in we have is very achievable.

We should win all of our games with the exception of a draw against Chelski and a defeat against the Gooners. If the Gooners go into panic mode and we end up playing our last game of the season to snatch 6th place from them then I think we will win that game. Very nice first season RK. Next season we want to be fighting for 4th and 3rd.

1.) 10 Apr 2017 07:23:14
Phil Neville is right to a point. RK is the signing of the summer and in my opinion we are playing better football (far more constructive and solid) , home and away than we did under Martinez. Up to a point means, with the inclusion of RK's brother, Walsh as DoF, retaining of big Dunc and last but not least Mr Moshri's arrival sparking a whole turn around in philosophy, ambition and the confidence which has brought about the consistency needed at this level. We are almost certain to lose Lukaku in the summer but no doubt Mr Walsh and Mr Koeman already have someone in mind plus others which next season will hopefully take us onwards and upwards. COYB.

2.) 10 Apr 2017 11:39:00
In my honest opinion, sadly at moment we have two teams a home team full of attack and promise and a away team far less so . The so called big teams play the same way home and away we need to do the same we could do no worse than we have.



15 Jan 2017 15:49:39
Today showed us that negotiating on transfers is very important. Take John Stones for example £50m + an assist. No wonder it takes so long.




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13 Feb 2018 19:15:33
I wonder if we held a poll right now, with the question being, " Who do you hate the most, SA? or GrumpyToffee " how close it would be or do you think maybe SA would somehow get more votes?

{Ed025's Note - what happened to the 6pm curfew grumpy?..

1.) 13 Feb 2018 19:55:29
Lol sorry Ed.

{Ed025's Note - its fine mate..

2.) 13 Feb 2018 20:27:52
I vote for choice C which is "neither are hated and only time will tell how things will turn out, and that we need to trust that both Grumpy and Big Sam will be on target for uplifting expectations for the remainder of this season and next year. "

Whether we agree or disagree with Grumpy or Big Sam, if Grumpy is correct and Big Sam moves the ball forward like he says, then wouldn't that be a win-win scenario?

We tried two phenomenal coaches snce Moyes. Let's see what Sam does with some funds.

It's not like Everton will hire a manager based on our wishes in any case.

3.) 13 Feb 2018 20:55:06
I like choice C mate.

4.) 13 Feb 2018 22:06:15
Hate is a bit strong Grumpy old chap.

5.) 13 Feb 2018 22:41:21
I thought that DFS mate when I wrote it and thought it will be ok as loads of posts will say not hate.

Wow was I ever wrong lol.



13 Feb 2018 16:15:40
Guys and gals,

I have an idea, it is one that everyone should participate in.

These forums have been swamped with SA debates, these debates are turning into arguments. Now whilst debates are good as well as different opinions what is not good is when they move onto becoming tinder pots.

That being so I propose that from 6pm tonight until 6pm Thursday 15th Feb no one mentions SA in a derogatory or a positive way. I will find this very easy to do as will a lot of others, some will find it difficult and a small minority will find it impossible. But let's all give it a try.

Who knows where it will lead.

1.) 13 Feb 2018 16:49:46
What is this Grumpy? Kindergarten!

2.) 13 Feb 2018 17:14:33
At times I think so yes.

{Ed025's Note - good answer..

3.) 13 Feb 2018 17:53:25
I'm already sitting on the naughty step.

4.) 13 Feb 2018 17:56:19
Grumpy you are a legend!

5.) 13 Feb 2018 18:19:58
Does this mean I can’t play on my Xbox?

6.) 13 Feb 2018 18:24:59
Thanks NBTB mate I'm am sure everyone knows I'm back now lol

DFS you can leave the step whenever you think the time is right mate.

7.) 13 Feb 2018 19:01:37
Not until SWMBO says so Grumpy.

8.) 13 Feb 2018 19:02:08
Yes legend Grumpy. Totally agree. So no talk about Sam. Agreed 100%. So on another subject. I have a fat mate who runs a local team and some people are saying he is not up to the job. Says he picks the wrong players and puts them in the wrong positions too. The home record is looking ok but the away record is not too good. Do you think we should get rid of him?

9.) 13 Feb 2018 19:02:11
Again Toffee ace mate only when you yourself think the time is right to do so.

10.) 13 Feb 2018 19:58:52
When you say fat is he enormously fat or just over plump?

11.) 13 Feb 2018 21:05:49
I'd tell your mate Degsy to give it up. Is he a bit of a dodgy character? Bit up his own arse? 😉.

12.) 13 Feb 2018 21:18:56
I guess I would say overly plump. but getting on for fat. With a little round blond faired scouce mate! Bit dodgy too!

13.) 13 Feb 2018 22:00:57
Well in that case Degsy mate just tell him to continue in fact invite them to your home for dinner and make them god parents to your children.



13 Feb 2018 16:16:11
{Ed's Note - Grumpytoffee has posted a new article entitled, Sam Allardyce should be manager of Everton FC next season

1.) 13 Feb 2018 16:26:46
Thank you Eds I really appreciate that.

{Ed033's Note - OK thanks for sending it in.

2.) 13 Feb 2018 16:53:29
Firstly I’d like to say that I’m not driving whilst I write this. Grumpytoffee some of the points you make I kind of get, but I think there’s too much emphasis on gate revenue. As time goes on gate revenue is becoming a smaller piece of the revenue stream.

From a business point of view you could argue that SA would be less attractive if a more progressive manager became available and of course viable.

Getting 7th is no guarantee of European football and certainly doesn’t meet the expectations of Farhad Moshiri as he has said in his interviews.

It’s my opinion that the only reason why SA will be there next season is that we would have failed to recruit his preferred targets this coming summer. As to whether it’s a business reason for him continuing, I highly doubt it.

3.) 13 Feb 2018 17:24:06
I think you are right regards gate revenue, but at this present time it does play a part and will for the next few seasons at least.

If a more attractive proposal managerial wise did happen to land at his doorstep do you not feel it would come at a higher price than if he had a half decent team already in place? Business wise if he gets the club stable again we can attract top managers.

Moshri is not a stupid man and he knows that the more attractive we are the better the manager we can get. I am under no illusions that SA will go but I honestly feel that business wise it will be at the end of next season at the very least. I may be wrong.

4.) 13 Feb 2018 18:10:58
I am (still) an advocate of Sam because mainly the Team needed a form of order, I would much rather have had Dyche for the same reason but with a touch more adventure in his tactics.

5.) 13 Feb 2018 18:18:20
Thanks Grumpy. It’s a good read mate. And I apologise that this is post 6pm. So I’ll try not to mention you know who 😂.

6.) 13 Feb 2018 19:04:28
I appreciate that Toffee ace thank you.



12 Feb 2018 16:28:21
I wonder if those who give a thumbs down without saying why are the same people who would boo our own players?

1.) 12 Feb 2018 17:10:11
Sorry Grumpy that one was me. oh the devil in me!

2.) 12 Feb 2018 18:00:41
Nope. It’s because they don’t like watching crap football every week.

3.) 12 Feb 2018 18:12:05
Makes you wonder mate.

4.) 12 Feb 2018 18:23:18
I think there are some who have a point of view and if you don't share it you are the devil incarnated. and every post you put on gets a thumbs down mate. I sometimes get the thumbs down for stating pure facts.

5.) 12 Feb 2018 18:42:00
Not really one for the thumbs down thing. I will if it really needs it but prefer reading the other point of view.

6.) 12 Feb 2018 18:44:36
I got some thumbs down for saying thanks to someone.

Welcome to the thumbs down club Degsy, Myself and GB have a running joke on who can get the most in a single thread. I'm surprised no one has picked up on it yet lol.

7.) 12 Feb 2018 18:46:15
Very true degsy mate as I said yesterday the truth hurts.

8.) 12 Feb 2018 20:06:00
I will look at it as flattery then.

9.) 12 Feb 2018 20:49:11
It's like a badge of honour Degsy, 20 thumbs down in a single post is the holy grail, I am so close to it on the Rumours page. 100 thumbs down in a thread at the same time will give you bragging rights for months.

10.) 12 Feb 2018 20:58:59
and I keep voting for you lol.

11.) 12 Feb 2018 22:11:16
Lol GB I always know when you're on line I get a thumbs up.

12.) 13 Feb 2018 09:31:17
don't know why everyone cries over a thumbs down, not exactly hurting you is it.

13.) 13 Feb 2018 10:26:34
Sounds to me as though we are joking about them Wblue, not hit a nerve have we by any chance?

14.) 13 Feb 2018 12:30:11
obviously are bothered about them grumpy as you always post about thumbs up/ down its just a feature mate c'mon behave now.



21 Jan 2018 17:42:50
Change of direction here.

People often say on these forums about the Everton Style and the Everton way. Maybe that's our problem and we need to move ahead with the times.

Could someone explain in simple words what that actually means.

1.) 21 Jan 2018 18:07:38
Interesting mate, when you have been supporting the Club for as long as us it has worked in the past mate, good post.

2.) 21 Jan 2018 18:14:50
Were not playing in any particularway, with any consistent method, with any plan or structure, with any balance or any identity. Not SA bashing but it doesn't seem like he knows what's best. This is not the everton way. The everton way includes cohesiveness, a warriors fight and a renowned and intimidating atmosphere at home. Its about being proud of the team, the players and the staff. Its about being able to look at the blue skys through the storm with hope. Its about that feeling that none of us can quite explain. That has gone at the moment.

3.) 21 Jan 2018 18:16:41
You know Grumpy. You have watched everton more than most of us.
Big strong no 9 (ferguson, lukaku, sharp not lineker)
Fast, skilful or no nonsense players (kanchelsis, sheedy, arteta, gravesen)
Heart of a lion (cahill, ferguson, ebrell)
Solid performers (Neville, osman, Barry, jagielka)

That is evertons heritage.

4.) 21 Jan 2018 18:24:30
and Peter Reid mate but so many ahh.

5.) 21 Jan 2018 18:24:51
Two good posts BT and smit.

6.) 21 Jan 2018 18:45:28
As a club it's morals, class and respect. That respect is to whoever we play or whoever we do business with. The morals and class is simply exampled in EITC.

If you're talking playing style then it's always evolved. In every successful team though it's been usually tough to beat but with the ball on the deck and using width.

A centre forward who can hold the ball and bring in others and wide men that can cross dribble and score.

We haven't really had the width since the 90s with the Kancelskus and Limpars. PienAar never scored and it was Baines the supplier of the cross and the other wide men have never been out and out wingers. Moyes changed us to this more defensive set up by using wingbacks and wanted players not with flair but grit to help cover them. It worked against poor teams but when you needed tricky intelligent risk takers to unlock the good teams he didn't have any and why we NEVER beat any of them.

Martinez tried to draw us back to a more attack minded team but forgot that if you concede goals then you don't win games. It was no surprise he and Koeman had more success against the good teams than Moyes ever did due to the more expansive football.

This is a brief overview of what I see and you could go deeper into it but the last time I saw an Everton team that I recognise was 96. Last season under Koeman though was brilliant up until May. We looked like we'd score 5 every game. Everything from 96 to then was pretty much forgettable with the exception of a few brief flurries.

7.) 21 Jan 2018 19:28:30
It is difficult to define an Everton style. I suppose that we are all influenced by the first side we saw and fell in love with. For me that means Alex Young. The antithesis of Ferguson, Royle and although I am a little too young to have seen him, Dave Hickson. For me that kind of player brings out the worst in the rest of the team. It encourages "hitting the big man" as a sibstitute for guile and skill. I like wingers who can go past their man. I like the ball on the floor, passing and movement. The kind of football that gave rise to the School of Science when the influx of Scots arrived in the 19th century with their interpassing style replacing the kick and rush, dribbling and hacking style that was its precursor.

8.) 21 Jan 2018 19:35:41
None of you are wrong yet no one hit the nail on the head.

We the fans are the Everton way.

We support our team through thick and thin, through the good and the bad, that is the Everton way.

We support our team regardless of where we sit in the league, and we sing as loud as though we were league champions, that is the Everton Way.

We always give players and managers a chance, often 3 or 4 that is the Everton way.

We have/ had a fan base that is envied by many teams here in the UK and in Europe, that is the Everton way.

We set standards not aim to meet them that is the Everton way.

If we are playing bad we sing louder, that is the Everton way.

The point I am making is that it is us the fans who are the Everton way not the players who are here for a few years, not our playing style, not our manager, not our owners.

Calling for managers to be sacked or players to be dropped, or silent at home games that is not the Everton way.

The club has not been great for many a year now for some reason over the last 3 or 4 seasons it is us the fans who have changed.

WE are no longer the Everton way.

9.) 21 Jan 2018 19:41:57
One thing we have always had from the 80s is the grit, determination and doggedness if not the class.

10.) 21 Jan 2018 19:50:05
Very Very good post those were the days, no patience nowadays eh mate,

11.) 21 Jan 2018 20:03:08
No you're totally wrong Grumpy and are looking through drunken glasses.

This now is as it always is.

Riots, protests, even vandalism against our own ground since we've been a club.

Going to a half filled ground until we were almost relegated is the norm for any club.

I remember the abuse Kendall got before turning it around in the 80s. It wasn't much different but the violence at that time was.

So no, we aren't Everton. But we are drawn to something that is better than us or the illusion of it and I'll always support the club because of it. If we are Everton then we've always been a bunch of arse holes!

12.) 21 Jan 2018 20:05:18
Playing for the badge. Hard work and determination and fearing nobody.

13.) 21 Jan 2018 20:15:12
With both of you there Smit and GB good days.

14.) 21 Jan 2018 20:56:33
lets go back eh mate the 60 s onwards oh.

15.) 21 Jan 2018 20:58:56
Blue John WTF?

16.) 21 Jan 2018 22:02:54
BJU Not that it has anything to do with you I am actually tea-total. When someone has to resort to personal insults then for me the debate is over.

I have more dignity than to reply with insults so let's just go our separate ways.

17.) 21 Jan 2018 22:59:15
Hardly an insult Grumpy. Had worse in a school play ground. How about rose tinted glasses then!?

To be fair you've insulted every Everton fan under the age of 30 by saying they aren't Everton. I'd come down off your lofty position and apologise.

I'm saying Everton fans have never been different whether young or old. They have all loved the club the same as you and me including 10 and 14 year old who sing at every game till their lung give out. And they've never questioned the old muckers Evertonian qualities like you and me.

However, the big difference? Places like this and social media. That's the difference. If it was around in the 70s and 80s we'd all be on here still moaning at every point.

18.) 21 Jan 2018 23:23:21
BJU absolute belter of analysis, although I was a child in the 80s so did not get the glory, my days began with the early 90s and that was misery, we had grit and determination, we had fight, we had identity.
We were the dogs of war, the peoples club, what are we today? The club who uses Jim White and talksport to address the fans.

The Everton of days gone by is no more and the soul was sold to the devil when are Knight in Russian armour rode in, we now have to deal with no passion, no identity and no spirit! We have wingers, we have a target man yet we don't utilise these because arrogance got in the way when a manager was needed!

Have we ever had a Director of Football before? No we haven't and this is part of the problem, a manager is judged by results, but if he doesn't buy the players how can he be responsible? Moshiri may be the majority shareholder but is it really him who owns them other than by name?
Our identity has gone on and off the pitch, changes need to be made on both fronts.




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17 Feb 2018 13:26:27
Oh I see you were punishing me.

I am sick to the back teeth of idiots using things I have posted out of context (please note BW2412 that is only applicable to idiots I am not infering you are one) .

you/ they are deluded (twice)
ignore your comment
not burying my head in the sand
people twisting what I said into out and out lies.
If you find my posts or any of my other posts difficult to comprehend due to an ineeficient intellect

You have taken every single one of those out of context as in you have not mentioned why or how they were said.
Why would you do that?

BW2412 you are not the forum police, you put my posts to the Eds, I got publicly vilified for them yet you insist on continuing, again why would you do that? are you trying to get me into more trouble because I dared go against what you think and made an opinion on it? I do actually have an hypothesis on why you are doing it but will keep it to myself just in case you think it personal and go crying to the Eds again.



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17 Feb 2018 11:59:26
Stop with the personal attacks bw2412. I have read that post, if you remember it is the one where you say poser, oh I meant poster. That post you mention was full of personal attacks.

If you are making posts please stay on topic and do not make them personal or if you do then don't point them out to the Eds when they are reacted on.

I have learnt my lesson, I now know not to post things that certain people may object to and on that note I will once again attempt to draw a line under this and move on.



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15 Feb 2018 09:50:37

I have already explained a few times in both this thread and the one below.

I am not going to do it again and reignite this tinder box of a subject.



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14 Feb 2018 08:59:23
Here we go.

Blue-tit here is another fact for you. When any kind of debate reaches the stage that one of the parties strays away from the original subject matter and resorts to personal attacks, that person has run out of anything constructive to say.

Debate is now closed for me.

{Ed025's Note - good idea..



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14 Feb 2018 08:52:40
Are you guys actually queueing up to have a pop at me?

What I have always said Dave is that SA is here to build us a solid base I have never once mentioned he will be given money, but no doubt he will be. Your argument is exactly the same as all of the others that I have already gone to great lengths to try and answer.

bw2412 why the personal attacks? Allow me to do the same. If you find these posts or any of my posts difficult to comprehend due to an inefficient intellect then stop reading them. If I did not like something or a particular poster I would stop reading them. See how easy life can be when you put your mind to it.




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20 Feb 2018 13:27:42
Apparently Moshri gave the club an interest free loan to pay off the £80 million we owed. As far as getting a loan for a new stadium goes a few things would come into play.

1) How much do they want to loan £300m - £450m
2) what would the repayment structure be?
3) How would that effect our expenditure?
4) How long would it be over?

Spurs I believe have something in place similar to a bank loan but different in many ways, they can draw anything upto £400 million to build a new stadium, the main difference between them and ourselves is that they have already ploughed some £350 million into the project in land acquisition. Payments for them are over 5 years is LIBOR + 3%, So for every £100 they borrow they payback interest + another 3%. That is an expensive way of borrowing but is normal within London businesses.



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19 Feb 2018 21:13:36
I never even considered that Ed025, cheers mate.

{Ed025's Note - your welcome grumpy mate..



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19 Feb 2018 15:12:22
I think you are right GB, Judging by the thumbs down it looks like the majority do actually prefer the club pre Moshri days. It would be nice if this could be debated but it looks as though they don't want to, that is their prerogative and we just have to accept it mate.

{Ed025's Note - we should not take thumbs down,s as gospel grumpy, some trolls visit the site and other teams supporters and they will give a thumbs down as a bit of divilment mate..



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18 Feb 2018 21:30:30
Not seen the video myself yet mate, will do tomorrow. I quite like the guy as well, good owner for us.



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18 Feb 2018 10:54:41
Good read Degsy,

i think you are right, No doubt you are aware we have played more games in top flight football than any other club followed by Aston Villa and then Arsenal. It is a record we should be proud of and whilst we remain in the prem no other club can take that away from us. Every game we play in the top flight is us changing the history of the game slightly and so survival must always come first regardless of how we achieve that.

At the moment we like to believe that we are the best of the rest and to some degree we are, we have had a massive blip this season and will do well to make it to 7th, if we do, that will further compound us as being just that. 7th is never going to be good enough for us but you have hit the nail on the head when you say it will always be a battle for us to keep our golden finds. It is going to take many years to break into the top 6 and even more years before we break into the top 4 with any consistency.

I strongly believe that with consistency our better players will be more inclined to stay and that in turn will help us attract the best players. (I do not mean playing style by the way as that will always be changing as we attract more managers) . With the amount of money being banded about in todays game we will always be a club that will be looking to balance the books, The £billion that Moshri has is not that great a figure compared to the monies that the top 6 clubs have at their disposal, but our spending power will also increase over the next decade.