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08 May 2017 14:32:38
Ok here is a very surprising fact for you all to ponder.
Lukaku with all of his goals has only produced 10 points for us this season (excludes assists) So had Lukaku not played for us we would be 10 points less than we have now, But we would still be in the same league position as we are now.

If nothing else that fact has made me look at him in a different light.


1.) 08 May 2017 16:46:21
Not a good way to look at it, are you saying he is only worth 10pts to us based on goal where he one us the game. He is the focal point when he plays well we usually get results and if he's bad usually we loose. He will be a massive lose next year if he goes, as we will not only need to replace his goals but add to them that's why we are 7th as if there was someone getting 10 - 15 as well that would be the difference, he's top goalscorer in league and we are 7th that tells you everything you need to know, and by the way take him out of the team and are top goal scorer is OG.


2.) 08 May 2017 17:37:49
I would agree not a good way to look at it but i think you are over-stating his value. Yes he scores goals but if he is not actually scoring he offers very little. Touch is poor, doesn't run the channels, won't chase lost causes. So when you away from home, under the cosh, as per Man U a few weeks ago - he may as well not be there.

Look at Costa - doesn't score the same no. of goals but i bet not many Chelsea supporters would rather have Rom. Aguero, Suarez, Sanchez all offer far more than just goals

I am not comparing the two but Marcus Bent scored nowhere near the goals Rom does - but gave far, far more to the team.

Something between the two would be ideal.


3.) 08 May 2017 19:26:58
Let's face it boys golden boot only because he's had most goals put on a plate for him he's not a team player he spat his dummy out with Williams a couple of weeks ago. A bigger worry is the next top scorer is Barkley with 8.

{Ed025's Note - oh what i would give for prolific midfielder who scored on a regular basis AB..


4.) 08 May 2017 20:50:57
I'm not actually saying anything TrueBlue, I am merely stating a fact and also mentioned that the fact does exclude assists. It is not meant as a critique nor is it meant as a pat on the back.

It is just a fact nothing more nothing less.


5.) 08 May 2017 21:47:03
I'd love to know what time goals were worth last season. we had one of the worst home records in Europe. don't forget that. don't be too hasty to dismiss the most prolific striker we've had in 30 yrs.

{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..


6.) 08 May 2017 22:57:09
Why would we only be 10 points worse off. You are assuming we would have dropped all those 10 points, who's to say with all our play being fed to Lukaku, some of the others may have scored, everyone is saying goals from others are a poor return, could that not be down to all our play being directed to Rom, if you look at Lukaku goals rarely is he the first goal scorer, he does seem to score when we have a lead, so be interesting to know the stats on how many 1 nil win goals he has scored.


7.) 09 May 2017 16:01:28
The games where lukaku has been the only scorer and we have gone on to win are 1. That was away to Sunderland where he scored a hat- trick. This season he has scored zero goals in a 1 - 0 win. He has scored in two 1 - 1 draws against Man City away and home to Crystal Palace. We have won 4 games where he scored more than 1 goal. We have lost 1 game away to Watford where he scored more than 1 goal.


 

 

09 Apr 2017 21:34:38
Good result today and an important one that could bode well for us regarding pressure.

We now only need 11 points for us to guarantee us 7th place and European football next season. That is if Southampton Win every game they have left, Should they lose one we only need 8 points. Now 8 points with the final run in we have is very achievable.

We should win all of our games with the exception of a draw against Chelski and a defeat against the Gooners. If the Gooners go into panic mode and we end up playing our last game of the season to snatch 6th place from them then I think we will win that game. Very nice first season RK. Next season we want to be fighting for 4th and 3rd.


1.) 10 Apr 2017 07:23:14
Phil Neville is right to a point. RK is the signing of the summer and in my opinion we are playing better football (far more constructive and solid) , home and away than we did under Martinez. Up to a point means, with the inclusion of RK's brother, Walsh as DoF, retaining of big Dunc and last but not least Mr Moshri's arrival sparking a whole turn around in philosophy, ambition and the confidence which has brought about the consistency needed at this level. We are almost certain to lose Lukaku in the summer but no doubt Mr Walsh and Mr Koeman already have someone in mind plus others which next season will hopefully take us onwards and upwards. COYB.


2.) 10 Apr 2017 11:39:00
In my honest opinion, sadly at moment we have two teams a home team full of attack and promise and a away team far less so . The so called big teams play the same way home and away we need to do the same we could do no worse than we have.


 

 

15 Jan 2017 15:49:39
Today showed us that negotiating on transfers is very important. Take John Stones for example £50m + an assist. No wonder it takes so long.


 

 

15 Aug 2016 14:04:18
Apparently Yannick Bolasie has signed a 5 year deal with us. Cost £25 million plus add ons.


1.) 15 Aug 2016 16:56:49
22,5 plus addons.


2.) 15 Aug 2016 18:17:52
Yes Bill once again you are correct. At the time I wrote the above it had not been confirmed and was still a rumour. I see I was correct at least in spelling his name right .


 

 

14 Aug 2016 11:19:06
What do you think of this for a stat?

Yesterday our new signing Gueye made more tackles than the whole of Spur's midfield made during the match.

That is one heck of a stat.

{Ed025's Note - im very happy grumpy.. :)


1.) 14 Aug 2016 11:29:07
What a little player this fella looks!


2.) 14 Aug 2016 11:51:49
Wow looks a great little player.


3.) 14 Aug 2016 12:14:02
He looks a real good player gives us something extra in midfield and really good passer as well.


4.) 14 Aug 2016 12:21:02
Does anyone else think we'll get more than the 3-4 players ron has said we'll get? Need a keeper 2 strikers I'd rom goes looks like we're in for 2 left wingers still need a creative midd another CB kone?

The 4 players needed doesn't seem enough for me.


5.) 14 Aug 2016 12:35:37
That will do us till January tho.


6.) 14 Aug 2016 13:03:35
Need a striker and an attacking centre mid asap. If lukaku is injured we lack up top and we need a goal threat from the centre of the park.


7.) 14 Aug 2016 13:19:06
He probably made more tackles and interceptions than our whole team combined in the last 5 games of last season.


8.) 14 Aug 2016 13:45:12
It looks like Bolasie is coming, and Koeman has said he wants another CB. We are in for Ghezzal and I hope we get him as he's quick and skilful and Mata is a possibility too.


9.) 14 Aug 2016 13:45:12
It looks like Bolasie is coming, and Koeman has said he wants another CB. We are in for Ghezzal and I hope we get him as he's quick and skilful and Mata is a possibility too.


 

 

 

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02 May 2017 14:48:08
Try not to take this as a negative post about Everton, try and see it as a truthful post from a supporter who has loved this club for over half a Century.

Let me start off by saying the club, on the surface, is in wonderful condition we are on the brink of a new State of the art stadium, we are now starting to attract big money sponsors, we are debt free (the only debt being an interest free loan from one of our owners) . Our backroom staff are about 20% shy off being one of the ultimate any club could wish for, Our Academy and under 23s are rapidly gaining a stronger reputation week in week out, All of this coupled with a super rich owner who is not afraid of spending, and an ambition to dominate English and European football, what could possibly be wrong?

In my humble opinion the only things wrong with the above is our ambition and our super rich owner. Now don't get me wrong I love the way our club is at the moment, and with a few more backroom staff tweaks we will be exceptionally strong and the envy of many teams out there, but they are not the problem.

One of our BIGGEST problems is that we as fans have lapped up all the gossip regarding ambition, we have then carved our own interpretation of what we thought we have heard deep into stone, so much so that we have become blinkered. We have become blinkered to such a degree we are willing to forget just how far away we are from achieving them, and every time we are reminded we look back at what we ourselves have carved in stone and bury our heads in denial.

I agree we have made some tremendous headway towards it and we realistically could not expect the club to have improved behind the scenes as much as it has done, so now the only thing hampering our ambitions is the team it'self, There I've said it, even a blind man can see just how far we are behind being a regular top 4 side, as we are we would count ourselves lucky being a regular Europa side. Now if we had zero injuries then maybe, just maybe, we could be a regular Europa team.

Whilst that is a massive improvement on where we were the divide between the top 5 and where we are is just to big. We are all hoping (Expecting) Champions league Football within 2 seasons, I would be willing to wager now that does not happen, and here are my reasons,
1) Rich Owner
2) Steve Walsh
3) Financial Fair Play
We as fans think we have a rich owner, whilst he is a very rich man compared to you and I we still do not get into the top 10 for having the richest owners in the premiership, so that's at least 10 teams who have the potential to offer more money for a player and offer higher wages. What we do have going for us is an owner that is willing to spend money, Sadly for us other teams know this as well and as a result put a premium on their players thinking we will buy at any costs. Look at Gabbiadini and Napoli holding out for even more money from us, we may pay a little over the odds but not stupid money.
Whilst having a DoF like Steve Walsh is a fantastic asset for the club it does make the job of signing players just a little bit more difficult, when it becomes known we have a bit of interest in player X it automatically alerts other teams of a potential diamond which results in higher asking price or offering more incentives for the player to join.
This is where the FFP step in to make life even more difficult for us to reach our ambitions, you see it does not matter if our owner was a trillionaire and we were the richest team in the world. We would only have so much money that we would be allowed to spend on players including wage bills.

Now it is not only going to be Everton who will find it hard to get a regular top 4 slot but every other team not getting into Europe year in year out. This three year dream we have all adopted and carved into stone is not going to happen, at least not within the three year year time frame, I think it will be more like year five or six before we hit the top 4 and that is providing we hit the Europa for all of those years. I just hope the fans stay off the backs of everyone and let them continue rebuilding the club on solid foundations, We will get there but sadly not during this decade.


1.) 02 May 2017 17:21:48
Pretty pessimistic post but had to agree with some of your observations. Disagree on the SW point though. Just because he has looked, at is looking at a player, does not mean that the price will automatically go up. I don't think clubs would necessarily appoint a scout to scout SW targets so there would need to be other interest in the player prior to a bidding war taking place. I do think the current squad is good enough to be consistently in the top 8 and with a couple of additions should be fighting for regular Europa league spot.


2.) 02 May 2017 19:30:43
Interesting post GT, I can see where you are coming from to a degree. I think it is impossible to put a time frame on cracking the top four but as long as we improve the quality and depth of the squad window by window then we can't complain. There's loads of factors to consider, say we went and won the europa league then we have guaranteed champs league the following season. I'm sure our ability to attract higher quality players would increase considerably, we would have to adhere to ffp obviously. That's the beauty of football, so many things can happen over the course of a season and especially in our league. I'm just going to enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. I'm lucky to have seen the great teams we had in the 80's but had to sit through some dross since then. FM is reshaping the club on and off the pitch, us fans just need to be patient and let him get on with it.


3.) 02 May 2017 20:40:50
Thats really the main thing I am trying to put across Spudv, everytime we qualify we will attract the better player. One thing we have to remember is the frailty of fans, people will moan that we have not reached the CL by season 3 no matter how much we have improved. 3 - 4 seasons in the Europa along with income from the new ground we can then buy CL capable players.

If we were to win the Europa the maximum of 25 million Euros prize money (includes bonuses winning is worth only 6.5 million Euros) is not really going to help us spend on the quality we need.

The thing with the FFP is that it covers three years of the clubs finances, now this season we are showing a much better balance of finances especially as the interest from the loan has gone but it is still another 2 seasons before we see the full benefit. Increased and new sponsorship deals are also stuck in this three year trap.

I watched teams of the 70's and 80's and it has been so frustrating watching good talent leave us because we had nothing to offer them. In 2 seasons we will have enough spending power to attract the right players and have them be part of the dream, in three season we almost peak financially and will on the third year of the new stadium.

SA90, I agree and withdraw my comments regards SW although I still believe the odd club will put in cheeky bids on players we are after but it is probably the same with all teams.


4.) 03 May 2017 06:21:10
Grumpytoffee, I see you withdrew your comment about Walsh. I am pleased you did that because I firmly believe that he will prove to be a big asset. You talk about ambition. I am not really sure if you mean our ambition is too great? I believe that without hopes and dreams, nothing will happen. I was one of the most negative posters on here last 2 seasons. I suddenly have hope again. I am realistic enough to accept that it might take 5 or 6 years. Then it will be difficult to maintain. Look at Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs, Man City and Liverpool. All fighting for a top 4 place that already has Chelsea certain to be in. The sums suggest that if we join in this fight, then at least 3 clubs will need to budget well for the lack of Champions League football over possibly a few seasons. There will effectively be a top 7 fighting for 4 Champions League places! But right now at least we are on the up and not the way down! I believe that's all we can realistically hope for.


5.) 03 May 2017 12:47:00
Degsy, you are saying in fewer words what my post is on about. I am saying that the time span we the fans believe things will happen is unrealistic. Just by the three thumbs down indicate that at least 3 people on these forums think it will happen.

With everything spelt out to them do they really believe that within 2 years we will be in the top 4 teams of this country. Let's see how loud they start shouting when they realise the time span is too short and they are 3 or 4 years out.

The FFP will make it nion impossible to achieve all we want in a two year period and I am glad that you are also looking at the full picture and see that it will take a little longer. I don't believe our ambition is too great, at least not in the long term, but for us to get there within the next two years is just wishful thinking from some impatient fans.


 

 

28 Apr 2017 21:12:12
If we finish 7th would we still qualify for a European slot under the following scenarios.

1) Man Utd Winning the Europa cup and finishing in 4th place in the prem.

2) Man Utd Winning the Europa cup and finishing in either 5th or 6th place in the prem.


1.) 28 Apr 2017 22:09:26
Yes to both.


2.) 28 Apr 2017 22:14:41
The only thing that could prevent us from playing in Europe is if we finish lower than 7 th. which after this weekend will possibly be the lowest as WBA will not be able to catch us if they fail to get 3 points.


 

 

08 Feb 2017 12:51:38
Does such a thing as a central database exist, showing details and length of players contracts,
that is available for viewing by the general public?

{Ed002's Note - The International TMS database contains details of tansfers, fees and contract length. It is maintained by FIFA but the general public do not have access to it. It is available for professional clubs to use and one media outlet has access to it. Transfermarkt buys in a lot of similar data but only at the start of the season and it can be very innacurate - particularly the Englsh version where transfer fees are provided in GBP regardless of the currency of the transaction.}


1.) 08 Feb 2017 13:39:07
Thanks for that ED002.

Shame it's not available to the general public, especially us Northerners, I could spend hours each day checking on buy out clauses, whilst whittling a pair of clogs from the branches of the great oak tree, down yonder lane, whilst all the time wondering where the eck me pidgeons av buggered off to.


 

 

23 Jan 2017 15:34:56
When we are interested in a player from the UK, who's responsibility is it that the player arrives at the right place at the right time for a medical. Also when getting in a foreign player who arranges the flights and stuff before the medical?

If a player gets injured in a match AFTER clubs have agreed terms and player is subject to a medical, can the potential buying team claim any compensation?

If a player fails a medical due to something that all parties were previously unaware of, are any costs refunded to the potential buying team?

{Ed002's Note - (a) The player and his agent. (b) The buying club would pay expenses. (c) I don't really understand the question but if you are referring to the buying club claiming compensation for a player who belongs to another club then no. (d) No, but the costs will at that point be trivial.}


1.) 23 Jan 2017 19:40:40
Thanks Ed, It gives another insight into how things are done. I will admit answer (a) did some what surprise me. Thanks agaian

{Ed002's Note - Maybe Everton are different and mail teh player a bus ticket.}


2.) 23 Jan 2017 21:07:49
Got loads of money now we can even afford for them to get a taxi to the bus stop. ( within reason of course )

{Ed025's Note - love it grumpy..


 

 

17 Jan 2017 20:40:32
Here's another fact I was unaware of but I'm sure it will appear in an Everton quiz one day.

On Sunday we not only gave Pep his biggest ever league defeat but it was the first time in Evertons history that we have had 2 teenagers on the score sheet.


1.) 17 Jan 2017 20:47:44
The win made me feel like a teenager again Grumpy. However, I celebrated too much by hitting the bar and failed to score when I got home!

Worth it though!


2.) 17 Jan 2017 21:34:18
And these days it is no good playing away.


3.) 17 Jan 2017 22:00:47
This weekend was better than sex because it is one we will all remember for a long time yahaaay!

{Ed025's Note - love it grumpy..


4.) 17 Jan 2017 22:08:14
I was caught offside twice. Then there was the hand ball incident. Not to mention the blocking and obstruction? But when I got in the box I was magnificent!


5.) 17 Jan 2017 22:25:05
And no comments about me not performing and having to put the sub on please!


6.) 17 Jan 2017 22:28:41
Made me laugh Degsy. Have to thank you for that.


7.) 18 Jan 2017 08:14:04
Do you know mate (NBTB) . I split from my wife of 32 years .2 years ago. I have had a pretty tough time over the last 2 years and EFC did their best to make it worst! But all of a sudden, the weight has been lifted off me. My Son who went the game with me has suddenly grown 6 inches and the 2 of us are walking around with chests like Arnie Schwartzennegger. It's amazing how 11 men kicking a bag of wind around can make you so sad or happy! Any aliens watching us would never get in contact. they know we are all as mad as hatters!


8.) 18 Jan 2017 07:43:08
Haha get in there degsy. Loved that one.


9.) 18 Jan 2017 13:07:18
Previous post degsy, not the splitting from wife one.


10.) 18 Jan 2017 15:54:25
No worries mate. Its all good now. wife? what wife! lol


 

 

 

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12 May 2017 12:56:04
ED 002
Were this paradoxy to be true then it would no longer be a paradoxy.

I have to point out flaws in your descriptions of "up north" living places. It is evident by your choice usage of words that you are totally unaware of the parliamentary act of 2016 Entitled " Northern Towns " I would like to point out to you section 239, paragraph 16 sub paragraph XXL which goes by the sub heading of " Dead and dying Donkey"
Under no circumstances are you Northern Twats, allowed to continue to leave dead or dying Pit Ponies, Donkeys, canaries, or pit miners, on the streets. In other words stop. From this day hence with the exception of the pit miners, The other three shall be gifted to the local butcher to be sold as "Meat". The dead and dying pit miners are to be buried out in the moors with Kate Bush's Wuthering Heights being played as a warning to unsuspecting "sutherners"

{Ed002's Note - Thik of it as "roadkill" Grumpy.}


 

 

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09 May 2017 16:01:28
The games where lukaku has been the only scorer and we have gone on to win are 1. That was away to Sunderland where he scored a hat- trick. This season he has scored zero goals in a 1 - 0 win. He has scored in two 1 - 1 draws against Man City away and home to Crystal Palace. We have won 4 games where he scored more than 1 goal. We have lost 1 game away to Watford where he scored more than 1 goal.


 

 

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08 May 2017 20:50:57
I'm not actually saying anything TrueBlue, I am merely stating a fact and also mentioned that the fact does exclude assists. It is not meant as a critique nor is it meant as a pat on the back.

It is just a fact nothing more nothing less.


 

 

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14 Apr 2017 14:41:20
Be careful what you ask for GeoffJohno. Think for a moment what you have just asked for, no summer signings instead let our youth play.

Whilst most of us like to see our youth rising through the ranks I don't think many of us actually believe we have enough ready to play 1st team football on a regular basis.

We are a club that has attracted many international players to play for us or players who have hit the international stage whilst playing for us, now with all the best will in the world we will not get that many coming through the ranks.

For any team to be able to promote youngsters to the high standard we the supporters expect and demand we need seasoned players to show them how things are done. Seasoned and better players mean new signings. Don't stop signing players until a good one emerges from the youth side.


 

 

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02 Apr 2017 19:51:04
Here is my take on things.

We are not good enough yet.

Our league position is 100% down to RK, 7th is giving us all false hope and we are becoming dillusional about how good we are.

With no injuries and everyone playing to his best ability we would still be struggling against the big boys when they play on form. let's see what the summer brings and maybe even the next January window before we start blaming tactics for losing big games.

It will come but not just now.


 

 

 

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22 May 2017 20:47:18
I don't really think it's RK who keeps going on about Barkley after all he is only answering media questions. Neville should keep out of this, unless that is, someone asks him questions regarding the matter. :-)


 

 

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20 May 2017 14:26:02
There is a lot that Everton could do to Barkley if he decides to play the awkward card and refuses to move, along side that his reputation with other clubs would go down a heck of a lot. Would you want to sign a player who could at any moment start thinking they could hold you to ransom?
If the only reason he wants to leave is one of ambition then it would be very foolish of him to think he is the one holding all off the cards despite what the Echo says.


 

 

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15 May 2017 22:23:28
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03 May 2017 12:47:00
Degsy, you are saying in fewer words what my post is on about. I am saying that the time span we the fans believe things will happen is unrealistic. Just by the three thumbs down indicate that at least 3 people on these forums think it will happen.

With everything spelt out to them do they really believe that within 2 years we will be in the top 4 teams of this country. Let's see how loud they start shouting when they realise the time span is too short and they are 3 or 4 years out.

The FFP will make it nion impossible to achieve all we want in a two year period and I am glad that you are also looking at the full picture and see that it will take a little longer. I don't believe our ambition is too great, at least not in the long term, but for us to get there within the next two years is just wishful thinking from some impatient fans.


 

 

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02 May 2017 20:40:50
Thats really the main thing I am trying to put across Spudv, everytime we qualify we will attract the better player. One thing we have to remember is the frailty of fans, people will moan that we have not reached the CL by season 3 no matter how much we have improved. 3 - 4 seasons in the Europa along with income from the new ground we can then buy CL capable players.

If we were to win the Europa the maximum of 25 million Euros prize money (includes bonuses winning is worth only 6.5 million Euros) is not really going to help us spend on the quality we need.

The thing with the FFP is that it covers three years of the clubs finances, now this season we are showing a much better balance of finances especially as the interest from the loan has gone but it is still another 2 seasons before we see the full benefit. Increased and new sponsorship deals are also stuck in this three year trap.

I watched teams of the 70's and 80's and it has been so frustrating watching good talent leave us because we had nothing to offer them. In 2 seasons we will have enough spending power to attract the right players and have them be part of the dream, in three season we almost peak financially and will on the third year of the new stadium.

SA90, I agree and withdraw my comments regards SW although I still believe the odd club will put in cheeky bids on players we are after but it is probably the same with all teams.