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08 May 2017 14:32:38
Ok here is a very surprising fact for you all to ponder.
Lukaku with all of his goals has only produced 10 points for us this season (excludes assists) So had Lukaku not played for us we would be 10 points less than we have now, But we would still be in the same league position as we are now.

If nothing else that fact has made me look at him in a different light.

1.) 08 May 2017 16:46:21
Not a good way to look at it, are you saying he is only worth 10pts to us based on goal where he one us the game. He is the focal point when he plays well we usually get results and if he's bad usually we loose. He will be a massive lose next year if he goes, as we will not only need to replace his goals but add to them that's why we are 7th as if there was someone getting 10 - 15 as well that would be the difference, he's top goalscorer in league and we are 7th that tells you everything you need to know, and by the way take him out of the team and are top goal scorer is OG.

2.) 08 May 2017 17:37:49
I would agree not a good way to look at it but i think you are over-stating his value. Yes he scores goals but if he is not actually scoring he offers very little. Touch is poor, doesn't run the channels, won't chase lost causes. So when you away from home, under the cosh, as per Man U a few weeks ago - he may as well not be there.

Look at Costa - doesn't score the same no. of goals but i bet not many Chelsea supporters would rather have Rom. Aguero, Suarez, Sanchez all offer far more than just goals

I am not comparing the two but Marcus Bent scored nowhere near the goals Rom does - but gave far, far more to the team.

Something between the two would be ideal.

3.) 08 May 2017 19:26:58
Let's face it boys golden boot only because he's had most goals put on a plate for him he's not a team player he spat his dummy out with Williams a couple of weeks ago. A bigger worry is the next top scorer is Barkley with 8.

{Ed025's Note - oh what i would give for prolific midfielder who scored on a regular basis AB..

4.) 08 May 2017 20:50:57
I'm not actually saying anything TrueBlue, I am merely stating a fact and also mentioned that the fact does exclude assists. It is not meant as a critique nor is it meant as a pat on the back.

It is just a fact nothing more nothing less.

5.) 08 May 2017 21:47:03
I'd love to know what time goals were worth last season. we had one of the worst home records in Europe. don't forget that. don't be too hasty to dismiss the most prolific striker we've had in 30 yrs.

{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

6.) 08 May 2017 22:57:09
Why would we only be 10 points worse off. You are assuming we would have dropped all those 10 points, who's to say with all our play being fed to Lukaku, some of the others may have scored, everyone is saying goals from others are a poor return, could that not be down to all our play being directed to Rom, if you look at Lukaku goals rarely is he the first goal scorer, he does seem to score when we have a lead, so be interesting to know the stats on how many 1 nil win goals he has scored.

7.) 09 May 2017 16:01:28
The games where lukaku has been the only scorer and we have gone on to win are 1. That was away to Sunderland where he scored a hat- trick. This season he has scored zero goals in a 1 - 0 win. He has scored in two 1 - 1 draws against Man City away and home to Crystal Palace. We have won 4 games where he scored more than 1 goal. We have lost 1 game away to Watford where he scored more than 1 goal.



09 Apr 2017 21:34:38
Good result today and an important one that could bode well for us regarding pressure.

We now only need 11 points for us to guarantee us 7th place and European football next season. That is if Southampton Win every game they have left, Should they lose one we only need 8 points. Now 8 points with the final run in we have is very achievable.

We should win all of our games with the exception of a draw against Chelski and a defeat against the Gooners. If the Gooners go into panic mode and we end up playing our last game of the season to snatch 6th place from them then I think we will win that game. Very nice first season RK. Next season we want to be fighting for 4th and 3rd.

1.) 10 Apr 2017 07:23:14
Phil Neville is right to a point. RK is the signing of the summer and in my opinion we are playing better football (far more constructive and solid) , home and away than we did under Martinez. Up to a point means, with the inclusion of RK's brother, Walsh as DoF, retaining of big Dunc and last but not least Mr Moshri's arrival sparking a whole turn around in philosophy, ambition and the confidence which has brought about the consistency needed at this level. We are almost certain to lose Lukaku in the summer but no doubt Mr Walsh and Mr Koeman already have someone in mind plus others which next season will hopefully take us onwards and upwards. COYB.

2.) 10 Apr 2017 11:39:00
In my honest opinion, sadly at moment we have two teams a home team full of attack and promise and a away team far less so . The so called big teams play the same way home and away we need to do the same we could do no worse than we have.



15 Jan 2017 15:49:39
Today showed us that negotiating on transfers is very important. Take John Stones for example £50m + an assist. No wonder it takes so long.



15 Aug 2016 14:04:18
Apparently Yannick Bolasie has signed a 5 year deal with us. Cost £25 million plus add ons.

1.) 15 Aug 2016 16:56:49
22,5 plus addons.

2.) 15 Aug 2016 18:17:52
Yes Bill once again you are correct. At the time I wrote the above it had not been confirmed and was still a rumour. I see I was correct at least in spelling his name right .



14 Aug 2016 11:19:06
What do you think of this for a stat?

Yesterday our new signing Gueye made more tackles than the whole of Spur's midfield made during the match.

That is one heck of a stat.

{Ed025's Note - im very happy grumpy.. :)

1.) 14 Aug 2016 11:29:07
What a little player this fella looks!

2.) 14 Aug 2016 11:51:49
Wow looks a great little player.

3.) 14 Aug 2016 12:14:02
He looks a real good player gives us something extra in midfield and really good passer as well.

4.) 14 Aug 2016 12:21:02
Does anyone else think we'll get more than the 3-4 players ron has said we'll get? Need a keeper 2 strikers I'd rom goes looks like we're in for 2 left wingers still need a creative midd another CB kone?

The 4 players needed doesn't seem enough for me.

5.) 14 Aug 2016 12:35:37
That will do us till January tho.

6.) 14 Aug 2016 13:03:35
Need a striker and an attacking centre mid asap. If lukaku is injured we lack up top and we need a goal threat from the centre of the park.

7.) 14 Aug 2016 13:19:06
He probably made more tackles and interceptions than our whole team combined in the last 5 games of last season.

8.) 14 Aug 2016 13:45:12
It looks like Bolasie is coming, and Koeman has said he wants another CB. We are in for Ghezzal and I hope we get him as he's quick and skilful and Mata is a possibility too.

9.) 14 Aug 2016 13:45:12
It looks like Bolasie is coming, and Koeman has said he wants another CB. We are in for Ghezzal and I hope we get him as he's quick and skilful and Mata is a possibility too.




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27 Nov 2017 14:01:53
I, No doubt like many of you, are absolutely baffled as to what has happened to our club.

Many are blaming the board, and some have given valid reasons why they think so, others have put the blame directly at the managers feet, again some have given valid reason for doing so.

Whilst I am not in favour of DU as our manager (only due to lack of experience) I do not see him as being the reason behind our current situation nor do I blame the board, after all they are actually looking for RK's replacement. Forget what you read in the rags about the board, DU or our pending new manager the only reason it is written is to sell the media they are written for.

To me the problem lays inside the "dressing room", there is something going on that is affecting the whole of the squad, something is adding confusion to the equation. I don't for a moment think it is intentional, but none the less it exists.

I have thought long and hard over what it could be, who could have that much influence over his fellow players, who because of his previous history could more than likely have an influence over DU.

The only player I can think of would be Wayne Rooney. Don't get me wrong here I am actually a big fan of his but I just can't help but think he may be interfering. Due to his pedigree at Man Utd and England could the younger, and even new, players be asking him what they should be doing and where. I mean with the success he has enjoyed it would take a foolish man not to listen to any advice he offers on the QT.

I am sure that IF, and I say IF because it is only a theory, this is what has thrown the dressing room in chaos and confusion, it would of been done for what he perceived to be the right reasons, he thought he was helping. One thing is for certain and that is the dressing room, for whatever reason, are not all on the same playing field as each other.

1.) 27 Nov 2017 15:00:41
Sorry I have to disagree that you don’t blame the board as IMHO the buck stops with them .
Sadly we are in a business not a sport and if you had a business Grumpy Toffee you would not sack your manager without any plans of a ready replacement.
West Ham sacked their manager but had another lined up .
Coupled to that we sold Lukaku without anyone having signed .
It’s no good saying we thought we had a replacement.
You don’t sell your main asset without the new one already signed .
Liverpool have a abundance of strikers but still refused to let Coutinho go, same at Arsenal .
In my opinion you could even blame the board re Koeman as if you were able to look back at my posts I highlighted that his record as a manager left a lot to be desired .
I have never met a bunch calling themselves directors as bad as we have ever .
The communication to the paying fans is dire and as for Moshri constantly telling his mate Jim White what’s going on is embarrassing.
I really expected Moshri would be far more dynamic than he has been .
Is he in charge if so then ignore Bill and get things sorted
You can’t have two chiefs
How they got to were they are is a miracle given how they managing Everton .
I have been going to Goodison since 1959 and I am HEART BROKEN .
On a separate note I think we have a big part to play .
I presently sit in the main stand up Park End way and all I can hear are the away supporters .
I use to stand in the Gladys St and we had men who organised the singing .
Now it’s like a damp squid and really boring chants that last just a few seconds .
I was really impressed with the support given to the Huddersfield players by their fans and we need that starting on Wednesday and as hard as it is we need to shout and support even more not less if WHU score not boo as we given nothing but joy to the visitors if we do
We must ensure out great club retains its record in the top flight .

2.) 27 Nov 2017 16:28:56
I hear what you are saying Trebor but The board have no say at all in what team is picked nor do they choose what players to buy, that will be down to our DOF.

The fact we have no recognized striker does not mean we should allow our defensive play to be the worst in the premiership. We have let in more goals than any other team in the premiership, how will having a striker change that?

You mention that we should of had a manager lined up before sacking RK. So how does that work? do we conduct interviews in-between training sessions and hope he does not hear about it? As for Westham having DM already lined up is rubbish, are you suggesting that DM would of waited had Westham won the last game before sacking Slaven Billic?

Communication coming out of Goodison dire you say, If you have supported us since 1959 you will see it is a lot better than it used to be. Look at Man Utd when Fergie retired, nothing was coming out from them regards his successor only press talk, Same when DM was sacked by them, only press speculation until a successor was found. No football club will give you all the details of what they are doing day in day out regardless of who you are.

I get you do not like the board but to blame them for the fans being silent instead of blaming the players themselves is like being in self denial. At the moment there is very little to cheer about on the playing field as the players are playing like a bunch of school kids. The fans will cheer again when the players grow up and start playing to their potential or at least with some passion.



26 Nov 2017 11:27:27
I have just been thinking about what is or is not happening ( whatever the case may be ) at the top of our club, namely the so called differences of opinions between FM and BK.

We as supporters are very quick to highlight these differences at every opportunity we can, FM wants to appoint XYZ whilst BK wants to appoint ABC as manager. As soon as a manager gets mentioned we seem happy to put them into one or the others camps.

One common theme that seems to appear time and time again is the fact that they need to take advice about what steps to take next. This seems to of been embraced by all on these forums, myself included, we all agree they need to be taking some sort of advice.

Over the years both FM and BK have become successful business men in their own rights, To have the level of success that both these men have had they would have advisors in place.

The thing with advisors is that they know which hand feeds them and which hand gives them a pat on the head. The chances of both these men only taking advice from one person would be slim it would probably be from a team of advisors all working to a brief given to them by whoever is paying their fees.

As forum members we ourselves have great difficulty agreeing on who we would like as our next manager, this job would probably be easier for us if we knew what the criteria was that the club are looking for.

Because of the fact that we know nothing about what the club is really looking for we tend to make our own assumptions, especially when a manager gets linked with us. the first thing that happens is that manager gets put into either the BK camp or the FM camp depending on the type of manager he is. By doing this we have little option but to say that there is conflict at the top where there is probably none.

Each and every one of us can pick a manager who we think would be right for the club, but what about cost? what about terms? and most importantly what about availability? What happens if a manager just does not exist that can meet the full criteria? what parts of it should we drop? and the million dollar question what if the one you advise to go for just does not want the job?

The one thing we can probably assure ourselves on is that we will be taking advice, what we do not know is how many people are giving that advice, What we need to remember is that any advice given, will be in our best interests, as perceived by the advisors own interpretation of the criteria given to themselves. The more advisors we have the more interpretations there are, hence the more managers linked.

1.) 26 Nov 2017 11:44:58
Totally agree mate, and where does this rubbish come from re Mr Moshiri and Bill, the rags of course, all these tabloid crap papers are the same, one comes out and says that there is a rift on the Board and all of a sudden its headline news and they all follow up and print it, when really its just the usual rubbish these sort of papers spout, i know we don't get that as much info from Everton as we should as fans but to me mate no news is good news, i am absolutely sure that that the Board and in particular Mr Moshiri and Bill have the clubs interests at heart.

2.) 26 Nov 2017 12:31:01
You're right GB,

I see some idiot has put a thumbs down to the fact that we have advisors. Probably did it in-between school homework which explains why they have not posted reasons for disagreeing.

3.) 26 Nov 2017 13:02:28
Good post Grumpy. I am struggling to think of a rumour about Everton in the papers in the last few years that has been correct. Whether that be players or managers none of the rubbish printed has come to fruition.
Even Lulakau going to Chelsea which was rumoured for 12 months right UP to the day he signed for Man U. Mata and Witsel 2 summers ago. Costa in January all tripe. Am I the only one who finds it exciting that we are getting a new manager but have absolutely no idea who that might be. And knowing Everton it will be a big surprise.

4.) 26 Nov 2017 13:44:06
I'm fully with you on that one Smit mate.



19 Nov 2017 16:40:47
Ed025 this is for you my friend.

When things are going bad we all (myself included) sometimes struggle to remember why we love our club so much, We all forget why it is embedded in our blood. Perhaps this will remind you why we go through the pain we do time and time again.

We love Everton because, Goodison Park was the world's first purpose made and designed dedicated football ground.
We love Everton because, Goodison Park is the only club ground to have hosted a world cup semi-final.
We love Everton because, Goodison Park was the venue for England v Republic of Ireland 21 September 1949. England lost 2–0 and this was their first home defeat to a non-UK country. Everton's Peter Farrell scored.
We love Everton because, Everton are the first English club to appear in European competitions five seasons running (1962–63 to 1966–67) .
We love Everton because, Everton have played in more top flight seasons than any other club.
We love Everton because, we have scored and conceded more goals in the top division than any other club.
We love Everton because, Everton have both drawn and lost more top flight matches than any other side.
We love Everton because, we hold the unusual distinction of being reigning League champions for the longest time. They won the championship in 1915 and thus remained reigning champions until the 1919–20 season due to the World War I league cancellation. They were also champions in 1939, and again remained reigning champions until the league resumed in 1946-7 after World War II.
We love Everton because, we are the first English club to be presented with the League Championship trophy and medals.
We love Everton because, we are the first club to have the youngest Premiership goalscorer in two consecutive seasons with two different players
We love Everton because, we are the First club to play 4000 top-flight games
We love Everton because, we are the First club to amass 5000 League points
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win the League Championship on two different grounds.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to stage an FA Cup final
We love Everton because, we are the First English club to install dugouts
We love Everton because, we are the First English club to be invited to train at the Italian training HQ at Coverciano.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win the FA Cup Final after being 2–0 down.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to appear in 4 consecutive Charity Shields at Wembley 1984-7.
We love Everton because, Jack Southworth's six goals v West Bromwich Albion, 30 December 1893, was the first such instance in Football League history.
We love Everton because, we have the Most disciplinary points received in the Premier League (2 points for a red card, one for a yellow) : 1252
We love Everton because, Goodison Park, built in 1892, was the world's first complete purpose-built football ground.
We love Everton because, Everton were the first European club to install undersoil heating in their stadium.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win a penalty shoot-out in the European Cup – 1970 v Borussia Mönchengladbach
We love Everton because, we are the First club in all of Europe to issue a regular match programme for home fixtures.
We love Everton because, we are the First European club to have a four-sided stadium with two tier stands
We love Everton because, we are the First European club to have a stadium with a three-tier stand
We Support Everton because we love Everton.

Got your love back Ed025?

{Ed025's Note - i never lose the love grumpy, but just like ciggies and ale i know they are bad for me but i just cant help myself mate...thanks anyway mate..

1.) 19 Nov 2017 17:46:02
No problem mate,

There are things there that can never be taken away from us, So many firsts.

2.) 19 Nov 2017 17:52:42
Excellent post Grumpy mate sums up us Evertonions in a nutshell Brilliant mate.

3.) 19 Nov 2017 19:30:48
Fantastic post mate. Reminds me it's not just about the way we feel right now. Here's hoping we'll add a few more firsts to that list while we're all still breathing!

4.) 19 Nov 2017 20:52:50
Thanks GB, WB my sentiments exactly mate.

5.) 20 Nov 2017 09:33:39
windsorblue and not the one we are all dreading. Sorry to put a dampener in LOL.



18 Nov 2017 18:41:07
Here are a few Stats about our beloved club I thought you may enjoy.


Most League wins in a season
29 in 42 matches, First Division, 1969–70

Fewest League wins in a season

9 in 22 matches, First Division, 1912–13
9 in 42 matches, 1979–80
9 in 38 matches FA Premier League, 1997–98 and 2003–04


Most League defeats in a season
22 in 42 matches, FA Premier League, 1993–94

Fewest League defeats in a season
1 in 22 matches, First Division, 1890–91


Most League goals scored in a season
121 in 42 matches, Second Division, 1930–31

Fewest League goals scored in a season
34 in 38 matches, Premier League, 2005–06

Most League goals conceded in a season
92 in 42 matches, First Division, 1929–30

Fewest League goals conceded in a season
27 in 40 matches, First Division, 1987–88


Most points in a League season (2 for a win)
66 in 42 matches, First Division, 1969–70

Most points in a League season (3 for a win)
90 in 42 matches, First Division, 1984–85

Fewest points in a League season (2 for a win) 20 in 22 matches, First Division, 1888–89

Fewest points in a League season (3 for a win) 39 in 38 matches, Premier League, 2003–04



First FA Cup match – v. Bolton, First Qualifying Round, 12 November 1887 (drew 0–0) [3]

First League match – v. Accrington, First Division, 8 September 1888 (won 2–1)

First match at Goodison – v. Bolton, First Division, (won 4–2)

First European match – v. Dunfermline F. C., Fairs Cup, 25 September 1962 (won 1–0)

First League Cup match – v. Accrington Stanley, (won 3–1)

Record wins

Record League Victory:
9–1 v Manchester City, 3 September 1906; and
v Plymouth Argyle, 27 December 1930 (W Dean and J Stein both scored 4, a first for Everton)

Record FA Cup Victory: 11–2 v Derby County, FA Cup, 5th Round, 18 January 1890 (Hat-tricks from Fred Geary, Alec Brady and Alf Milward) [4]

Record League Cup Victory: 8–0 v Wimbledon, League Cup, 2nd Round, 29 August 1978

Record Aggregate League Cup Victory: 11–0 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round, 1990

Record European Victory: 6–1 v SK Brann, UEFA CUP, Round of 32, 21 February 2008

Record Aggregate European Victory: 10–0 v Finn Harps, UEFA CUP, 1st Round, 1978

Record away wins

Record League Victory: 7–0 v Charlton Athletic, 7 February 1931

Record FA Cup Victory: 6–0 v Crystal Palace, 4 January 1931

Record Top Flight Victory: 6–1 v Derby County, 5 November 1892

Record League Cup Victory: 5–0 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round 1st Leg, 25 September 1990

Record European Victory: 5-0 v Finn Harps, UEFA Cup, 1st Round 1st Leg, 12 September 1978

Record defeats

Record League Defeat: 0–7 v Sunderland, Football League Div 1, 26 December 1934;
v Wolves, Football League Div 1, 22 February 1939;
v Arsenal, Premier League, 11 May 2005[5]

Record FA Cup Defeat:

0–6 v Crystal Palace, FA Cup, 1st Round,


Highest League Attendance
78,299 v Liverpool, 18 September 1948

Highest FA Cup Attendance 77,902 v Manchester United, FA Cup, 5th Round, 14 February 1953

Highest League Cup Attendance 54,032 v Bolton, League Cup, Semi Final, 1st Leg, 18 January 1977

Highest European Attendance 62,408 v Internazionale Milano, European Cup, 1st Round, 1st Leg, 18 September 1963

Lowest League Attendance 7,802 v Sheffield Wednesday, 1 May 1934

Lowest FA Cup Attendance 15,293 v Wimbledon, FA Cup, 3rd Round Replay, 12 January 1993

Lowest League Cup Attendance 7,415 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round, 2nd Leg, 9 October 1990.

{Ed0333's Note - Has anyone attended all of these games?

1.) 18 Nov 2017 18:56:30
There are a good few of these I have been to. I was surprised when I saw they were club records. Have you been to many of them Ed?

{Ed0333's Note - you think I read that post?

2.) 18 Nov 2017 19:01:12
Ed you should be asking has anyone played in any of them games? lol.

3.) 18 Nov 2017 19:30:05
nice one mate that cheered me after today.

4.) 18 Nov 2017 19:41:00
Were you at any of them GB mate?



17 Nov 2017 16:02:28
Well I've put on the old tin hat ready for the bombardment that will no doubt follow.

I see a few are saying how we showed heart by coming back from 2 - 0 to win the game.

What I don't see is people saying we should of never been in that situation in the first place, for crying out loud we were only playing Watford, our reserve team could beat them. We showed this so called heart for about 20 minutes and only then when they had their reserve goal keeper on.

This now begs the question that if Unsworth has the full backing of the players and they want him as manager, then why oh why did they not play like that for the full 90 minutes instead of 20? Had we of been playing stronger opposition then I fear we would not of been chasing a 2 goal deficit but a much higher one.

When people say we were lucky they are right, we were lucky it WAS only Watford, we were lucky they had only scored 2 and not more, we were lucky they were weakened with players going off, we were lucky that THEY ALLOWED us back into the game.

Before we start going on about the team showing heart and passion maybe they should show it for the full 90 minutes, because when they only so called show it for 20 minutes, Then to me it does not look like. It does not look like they have the heart, It does not look like they have the passion, and it most certainly does not look like they are in any way supporting the manager.

So far under Unsworth I have seen no improvement in the team, in fact we seem to be letting in more and more preventable goals, under his guidance the team loses it's way once they fall behind. Now a lot of this could be attributed to Koeman BUT let us be realistic when I say that there should have been signs of improvement somewhere on the pitch.

Unsworth has genuine passion and love for Everton, but then so do I. Sadly as a top flight manager that is not enough, if it were then we would be top of the league. He is an awesome manager at the under 23's but that does not equate to the premier league, it is easier to motivate your team when you have a carrot to dangle, an achievable reward for them to aim for. The carrot he had was the possibility of first team football, not a promise just the possibility, That in itself is a big motivator.

In the premiership he has no such carrot and it shows on the pitch. The top managers worldwide are all top motivators and as such can get the very best out of their players for the full 90 minutes. Unsworth needs to get another 350% to reach that. To do that will take a tremendous improvement in his current managerial experience, he needs more than anything to be tutored by another top manager, whomever that will be, before he can take over the mantle at Everton. I fear that should he be allowed to learn as he goes along it will have a detrimental effect on our great club, with a very real possibility of relegation.

Thank you.

1.) 17 Nov 2017 16:51:41
Absolutely spot on Grumpy mate. Had there keeper not gone off then the result would not have been what it was.

2.) 17 Nov 2017 17:20:17
how about giving the players credit yes I agree we shouldn't of been in that position but Watford aren't a poor side they are decent and so what if it was only 20 minutes those players could of let their heads drop but they never they kept going and don't be naive to think we only won because gomes went off you do know it's 11v11 don't you.

3.) 17 Nov 2017 17:40:52
Yer we was very lucky that fat fella tuk the day off and give goal keeping a go and they let him. Are manager got a team that had there confidence truly bettered out of them and we was lucky a goal went in by hook or by crook that give us the confidence to believe it had nothing to do with the fact gk went off you would think they put Williams in goal they can't be that bad a team if we are willing to pay 10mill for the manager. The team unsy has got is awful that's has nothing to do with him unless we get a manager that can score goals it will not help us rant over.

4.) 17 Nov 2017 17:41:35
Well the fact there reserve keeper made two howlers, sort of gives it away a bit really. It's not naivety mate, I have watched this team all season and they are poor. That result will not change that.

5.) 17 Nov 2017 18:14:14
I have watched them all season too as a season ticket holder in the lower Gladys so that's a stupid comment and I didn't say we were world beaters I said how about giving them some credit and that's not us being lucky if their keeper made mistakes Jesus how about stop putting them down after coming back from 2-0 down and give them your support no wonder they hate playing at goodison with fans who breath negativity I for one will keep believing we can win every game otherwise there is no use supporting us.

6.) 17 Nov 2017 18:21:54
Give the players credit?

You expect me to give the players credit for playing for 20 minutes and not 90?

Why should I give them credit for trying for less than a quarter of the game? .

If we had shown that passion all season we would be in a higher league position and probably still able to qualify for the next round in Europe. it may be 11 v 11 but it certainly was not 11 playing against 11 for 70 minutes.

7.) 17 Nov 2017 18:25:13
The Watford game is done let's move on. Let's hope the team take that confidence and get a win against Palace.

8.) 17 Nov 2017 20:27:40
so grumpy your take on it is moan when we lose and moan when we win glad I don't have to sit next to you at the old lady.

9.) 17 Nov 2017 20:47:35
Agree totally Grumpy mate we were very very poor against Watford and definitely got out of that game with a flukey win mate.

10.) 17 Nov 2017 21:03:26
bluey the clue there is Watford are decent, we are far better than that and have the Squad that should easily beat anyone of Watfords calibre. Like it or not we were very very lucky against Watford. Whatever has happened to undermine a Squad of undoubted talent is way above what I/ we understand. What I do know is that we will not be in a relegation fight come the second half of the season. Prediction 10th.

11.) 17 Nov 2017 21:07:29
Bluey you are totally missing my point here.

Let me explain in a shortened down version.

IF and I say IF loosely the players really did have Unsworths back they would have played like the last 20 minutes for all of the game. They have now shown they are actually capable of playing well yet chose not to for the majority of the game. It is FOR THAT reason I do not think Unsworth is the right man for manager. The team has proven it can play, but only when THEY want not when Unsworth wants them to.

12.) 17 Nov 2017 22:38:20
Grumpy it is the U23'S That Unsworth knows well and therefore trusts and vice versa. I think that what we will see under him is a gradual integration of that core U23 making the transition into the first Team, the skill there is going to be massaging of senior ego's.

13.) 17 Nov 2017 23:31:41
Could be the changes Unsworth made that made the difference, hence why we played better, Unsworth has taken over a team out of shape and lacking confidence, he has had 4 games in charge, 3 of them away, yes we were lucky in the end but not a mention of possibly two penalties we should have had at Leicester.

Give the guy time to assemble his best 11 before dismissing the guy, let’s not forget he has a 75% win rate in charge of the first team in premier league matches.

If he gets a run of games, it will not take long to work out his best 11 and a system.

3 of those games came less than two weeks of taking charge and little time to work out a system n training.

14.) 18 Nov 2017 07:33:23
Good post Bazwil although I like Grumpy don't think he is ready yet. I wouldn't have any issue with him taking it till the end of the season. I think he has only managed 3 prem games and won only one which would be 66%.

15.) 18 Nov 2017 08:17:48
I'm with grumpy.

16.) 18 Nov 2017 09:59:14
Two I meant.

17.) 18 Nov 2017 10:47:23
we won we got 3 points doesn't matter how it came about.

18.) 18 Nov 2017 13:07:18
how can u disagree with that? 3 points is all's that matters.

19.) 18 Nov 2017 13:58:20
I think we should draw a line under this thread for now.

There have been some very good points raised both for and against having Unsworth in charge.

Thank you to all contributers regardless if you agree with me or not, it has all made for an interesting debate.




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04 Dec 2017 11:37:55
Ed025 you say you would hope for someone better, I think you are missing something here mate, He IS better than what we currently have. When building it is always important to have foundations built first and then go for the quality build.

{Ed025's Note - i think deeny is better grumpy but will he get you 20 goals a season?....i suspect not, very good back up though but not the marquee signing im hoping we sign mate..



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04 Dec 2017 11:34:35
The only thing so far not reported in the rags is this "So called massive war chest".



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01 Dec 2017 19:16:06
I agree Ed025, my next door neighbor and his dog Whallyfus are being linked. Read it myself in this weeks edition of "Groovy Mutts Weekly"

{Ed025's Note - love it grumpy mate..



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29 Nov 2017 17:30:30
Don't forget the £80 million interest free loan to clear our debts Pauly. To me that's a lot of money.



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29 Nov 2017 16:45:40
Fully agree GB mate, good post. ( I mean great post )




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11 Dec 2017 22:37:18
So you believe in essence that Lovren was only protecting himself, Sorry Ed001 even Carragher said it was a pen and he is more biased than any red.

Protecting himself my Ar*e.

{Ed001's Note - nope, he was putting his hands on him to hold him in place. Carragher is irrelevant, like all in the media he has an agenda and is on the bandwagon that bitches about everything Lovren does. I guess it is nice for an ex-defender like him to feel like he was any better, but I have seen him make far worse mistakes. There was no push, so it is not a pen. Every time two players run together like that the one behind has his hands on the other and no decision is ever given unless the player in front dives to the floor like it was a push, as Calvert-Lewin clearly did. It is a contact sport and you are allowed to touch each other. Go back and watch everytime the Everton backline launch the ball up to Calvert-Lewin and he and the man with him put their hands out to touch each other, are you going to expect a foul to be given each time that happens too? It is just a natural thing to put your hands on them so you know exactly where they are.}



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11 Dec 2017 16:12:41
100% agree. Sadly though don't think it will happen due to them lot being one of the so called "Big" teams.



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11 Dec 2017 16:10:37
1940Mike but he is indeed correct. Since he has been in charge we have only let in 1 goal, and that was against probably the team with the best attacking line in the country.

For the short time Unsworth was in charge we let in more goals than any other manager we have ever had over the same time span.

Lets move on from Unsworth, he is no longer in charge for a reason and other owners do not seem to be knocking his door down to recruit him to manage their first teams.



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04 Dec 2017 17:05:37
Nice post Smit mate.



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04 Dec 2017 17:03:50
Hehehe go for it GB mate.