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10 Dec 2018 08:58:11
Paper talk: Star says Barcelona are monitoring Richarlison. I would guess every team in Europe is. Any knowledge Ed001/ 002? Is there any real interest? I would think a front 2 of Kane and Richarlison would be unstoppable. Well I would hate to have to try and stop them!

degsyp

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any interest in Richarlison being expressed by Barcelona at this time, but it is fair to say that they are looking to replace their attacking players over the next 18 months or so. But right now they have been looking at other options. Melero being at a game was to check on Gomez. Perhaps he went back to spain raving about Richarlison, I don't know.}


1.) 10 Dec 2018 11:22:39
It's the star reporting this, says it all.


2.) 10 Dec 2018 12:47:04
Is it me or do these stories seem to come out the day of every game we have. pickford, gomes and now ricki. in the space of a week and a half. Will have no players by January at this rate.


3.) 10 Dec 2018 16:44:06
Take them with a pinch of salt Jacamo, will step up a notch with the transfer window approaching.

If anything is going to happen, it will happen between Everton and not the rags.

We will be linked with all sorts of strikers, mainly because the rags know we need one and throw enough strikers around, law-of averages say they might get one prediction right, nothing more than click bait and selling columns in the rags.

Enjoy tonight’s game Jacamo and don’t worry too much about what you read.

{Ed025's Note - your spot on bignev..


 

 

18 Nov 2018 07:37:47
Pickford to United apparently? If DeGea goes.

degsyp

{Ed025's Note - cant see it degs...why would he downgrade?.. :)


1.) 18 Nov 2018 08:31:44
The way the team are starting to play a lot more name are going to be linked with other teams like Ed says it's a backward move for him.

{Ed025's Note - it will be richie next penysarn, well im afraid poor old everton dont need the money anymore..so shove it..


2.) 18 Nov 2018 11:18:53
Yeah degsy mate read that they would offer £60 million in their dreams mate, couple that with all the Mourinho rubbish going on at the mo, United are now a team in turmoil as Ed 025 says why would he go and drop to a lower club no chance, pipe dreams Mourinho has lost the plot.


3.) 18 Nov 2018 08:52:46
But Eds it's in the sun paper so it must be true haha :)

{Ed025's Note - dont even mention that scumbag paper around me penysarn, i hate it with a vengeance mate..


4.) 18 Nov 2018 17:08:57
It's really up to us, players want to win trophies in their short careers. If we start winning cups and get into Europe on a regular basis then the best players will want to play for us and stay. Stay in mid-table then we will lose our best players to more successful teams. Interesting that three of our ex-players played for England today, Dier, Stones and Barkley.


5.) 18 Nov 2018 18:32:39
Richarlison to Chelsea for £70m 😂😂
I love the international breaks 🤦🏻‍♂️.


6.) 18 Nov 2018 19:03:25
Should know better by now with the rags-or sky pundits, as soon as Everton show promise or a challenge to the sky darlings, the papers will do anything to link Everton players to one of of the darlings, to try and disrupt the good work done by Everton.

With the derby and the City games approaching, do not be surprised the Silva dispute being dragged up again in the press.

{Ed002's Note - The papers have nothing against Everton and are not trying to disrupt anything.}


7.) 19 Nov 2018 09:06:17
not everything is an agenda against efc, this happens with every club that has a few players playing well, they look at what the 'big 6' need and plug the gaps, see tarkowski in the summer, linked here there everywhere as he was playing well, in reality these sides probably didn't have a strong interest.


8.) 19 Nov 2018 09:59:43
Good comment mate.


9.) 19 Nov 2018 14:00:02
Liverpool and Chelsea have both spent over £70m each on new keepers, neither of whom are as good as Pickford IMHO. Add to that he's English [always ups the price] and has only just signed a 6yr deal and you're talking of a fee up around £100m Utd aren't going to fund a deal of that size without the guarantee of Champions League football and they're miles away from that this season.


10.) 19 Nov 2018 18:18:38
They would all leave us, first chance they got 😂😂😂.


 

 

25 Oct 2018 08:27:18
Thorgan Hazard being linked to us.

degsyp

1.) 25 Oct 2018 11:06:00
i would do a little dance if we got him mate top player.

{Ed002's Note - The interest of Everton was when Sam Allardyce was manager and before Everton added to their collection of left wingers with the return of Lookman (who was expected by SA to be leaving), Bernard and Richarlison (and not forgetting Henry Onyekuru). Everton do not need another left winger right now - they need another right winger and that is why Jesus Corona has again been scouted.}


2.) 25 Oct 2018 12:28:32
Love it when we report a rumour and Ed 002 comes along and destroys it with a fact, and a logical basis for it too.

{Ed002's Note - There is no doubt that he is a very good player (and attracting the interest of a high-profile side) but if Everton were to look at yet another LW it would have to lead to questions being asked. Right now cover for AM and RW would seem to be the highest priorities.}


3.) 25 Oct 2018 20:03:53
Is Lozano a player we’ve looked at for RW Ed? I saw today that Chelsea are interested in him.


4.) 25 Oct 2018 20:03:53
Is Lozano a player we’ve looked at for RW Ed? I saw today that Chelsea are interested in him.

{Ed002's Note - Yes he has been looked at, but realistically there is an issue with Everton looking to PSV for players and there are other sides interested.}


5.) 26 Oct 2018 08:21:16
RW must be a high priority? Why? I’m sure Bernard, Lookman or even Richarlison can play as a RW?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, many players can play out of position. Let's hope the club stop looking at RW and buy many, many more LW players.}


6.) 28 Oct 2018 06:52:24
I am sorry I posted now (not really) . In all seriousness, if we are looking to play Richarlison in a more central role (which I believe is the managers possible tactical idea with him) then that then leaves us a little weaker in numbers although at the end of the day quality is always better than quantity. It was just a rumour I picked up and had no basis other than that. Thanks for info Ed002. What will be will be.


 

 

18 Sep 2018 11:48:50
As the post mortem on Saturday seems to be continuing I thought I would add the simple truth: TOO MANY CHANGES! Yes it is complicated, but the facts are simple. We have changed too many things in such a short time. I am not blaming the manager because I feel he is taking us in the right direction. But we have been a victim of: 2 sending offs. and thus suspensions. Injuries to 7 1st team players. Players coming back from injury who the manager feels should start. Young players trying to force their way into the team. Tactical changes. All of this adds up and the team that played Saturday did not look like the previous weeks team and that one did not look like the one before that etc. We need to get our players all back and let the manager pick the same team for a few weeks running. Then we will know what our squad is really like. We have been very unfortunate on a number of issues, but compare it with last season and the run of games that bored us all to death. We are a WORK IN PROGRESS. Anyone who expects instant success is just being silly in my view!

degsyp

1.) 18 Sep 2018 14:52:29
Well said work in progress the summer was good business but people have to remember it was his first window and we probably shifted a lot more out than I though we woul be able to and made signings I didn’t think we could get.
A lot of Silva/ Brands signings have not played much yet and some not at all, I just hope Mina can be are powerhouse at the back as I think it will help Keane, holgate and zouma better we need a leader back there, we got bullied on Sunday.


2.) 18 Sep 2018 17:06:25
What is worrying though is Zouma and Gomes are on loan, while Mina has a buy back clause in his contract, that’s three players we have no control over.

{Ed002's Note - There is control over Yerry Mina - "buy back" clauses do not m,ean that Barcelona can simply pay Everton and they have to send him back. Plus, given the outrageous price Everton paid for him I don't see any chance of him going back in the short to medium term.}


3.) 18 Sep 2018 17:53:10
Excellent post degsy mate, too many managers on here, once we get the injured and suspended and settled in with the newbies we will climb the table, give the guy a chance this won't be fixed in 6 months.


4.) 18 Sep 2018 18:48:21
I'm sure ed will correct me but isn't the buy back clause about twice what we paid for him so something about 70 mil I for 1 hope Barcelona wish to try to use it because if he's playing good enough to warrant that fee it will be good for us.

{Ed002's Note - It is rather less than 70M in whatever currency you are thinking, but it is nothing to worry about, nor nothing to even think about. I would not think they would be interested when Everton come to sell the player on.}


5.) 18 Sep 2018 18:53:37
Cheers ed.


6.) 18 Sep 2018 21:45:06
On Gomes, I believe Barcelona wanted permanent deal before agreeing to loan, so even if he is successful we probably will be able to sign him. Problem is if other teams come in for him. Zouma may seek permanent transfer after seasons end. Depends what Chelsea can off in terms of 1st team football.


7.) 19 Sep 2018 17:13:37
I’m probably late to the party on this but if the penalty is a point deduction then what is the maximum number of points that can be deducted?

{Ed025's Note - i dont know to be honest CT..


8.) 19 Sep 2018 17:50:41
Thanks Ed. Sorry I realize I posted this on the wrong thread.

{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..


9.) 19 Sep 2018 18:05:53
Again I may be wrong but if memory serves me right didn't Luton get docked 30 pts for something along these lines many years ago.

{Ed025's Note - dont say that james...i was thinking 2 or 3..


10.) 19 Sep 2018 20:09:23
It was bugging me so had a little look into It they were docked 30 pts but 20 were for insolvency problems
That was added to 10 points they were docked for illegal payments to agents so hopefully worst case 10 pts.

{Ed025's Note - still far too much james, it would be hard to recover from a 10pt deficit mate and the pressure of being rock bottom hard to overcome....slap on the wrist im hoping for..


11.) 19 Sep 2018 21:25:04
Same here ed but I can't help but fear the worst at some point they will make an example of someone and with the previous we have and the other ongoing issues I feel we could be the example I just wish that it wasn't going to drag onto the new year and I hope it's given the club the jolt it needs to get things in order and start to do things the correct way.

{Ed025's Note - lets just hope they give us a hefty fine and warn us about our future conduct james, im sure our legal team can bribe the panel as it wont be the first time a brown envelope has passed their way mate.. :)


12.) 19 Sep 2018 22:54:06
Well we were also the honorary (and one of very few) recipients of the retroactive diving ban. So I’m sure we can expect something great.


 

 

08 Aug 2018 13:40:50
Drinkwater now linked. Would be great for us.

degsyp

1.) 08 Aug 2018 13:54:37
He's slower than a slug. Do we need another slow midfielder?


2.) 08 Aug 2018 14:49:18
Not exactly the powerhouse box to box midfielder that typically plays in Silva’s systems is he?


3.) 08 Aug 2018 15:32:09
He can do the Shnieds job much better great sighning.


4.) 08 Aug 2018 17:20:38
He's been terrible for Chelsea when he's managed to get on the pitch.


5.) 08 Aug 2018 21:13:56
Had one good season next to Kante but nothing since.

I would like him to do well being an English player and this is the sort of player that we could attract but I don’t think this wasn’t another case of Chelsea ruining an English player, he just wasn’t good enough in the first place, not for us and certainly not for champs league and title contender team.


 

 

 

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16 Feb 2019 07:41:50
Sorry guys, I put the post on the previous page then went away a couple of says. Loads of responses of differing opinions. All I will say is Silva's history and record re zonal marking was actually worst at his previous 2 clubs. We can blame players. We can say he has not had time to sort it. We can say players don't understand it. We can make excuse after excuse. But the bottom line is that he had an even worst record than the crap one he has with us for defending set pieces. Something has to change or we will end up like Watford not being able to defend and losing loads of games and starting off great and then go into freefall! . What? We already are? Why didn't domeone tell me? . Seriously, I hope he has the balls to change or we will be in a serious relegation battle after talking about top 6 at the beginning of the season.

degsyp

1.) 16 Feb 2019 10:52:56
Like it or not degsy if we don't beat Cardiff we're in serious crap mate.


2.) 16 Feb 2019 11:04:47
Sadly I am being proved right about Silva do wish I had been wrong.


3.) 16 Feb 2019 11:42:06
Yes we need at least a draw Penysarn. I still think there is a good manager in there. We are trying to play football which under Allardyce we didnt. Koeman had lost the plot. All Silva needs to do let the Zonal marking obssession go. We have conceded somethen like 15 this season already from that. that's probably over 10 games we lost that without zonal we could have taken points. and still be in FA Cup. Yes there are other errors that have cost us but we cannot become world beaters overnight. He needs to just get back to basics and get us defending like we did under Moyes. Silva has signed good players. He has us playing decent football at times and then we go one nil down as soon as we give a corner away. Its just plain daft. Sometimes you have to look at things and admit that maybe the players cannot do what you want them to. I firmly believe it is a combination of 3 things. 1. We have players who just don't want to or are not able to challenge for headers. (Walcott, Gomez, Lookman, Digne, Gueye, Bernard and even Siggy) . 2. Zonal marking means you need a group of players all capable of heading the ball (see point 1 that highlights that the team containing the above players is therefore incapable of zonal marking) 3. Once it starts going wrong, players "hide". Especially the younger and inexperienced players. They are looking for leaders on the pitch. Even Keane who was previously a dominating header of the ball now looks like he does not want to cahllenge at times. If I was manager, I would say to Bernard, Walcott and Lookman and the others who cannot head the ball to push out and not drop in so deep. Let the opposition think about us breaking out after their set piece. Then some of their players would have to drop back. That would leave our players with good heading ability in defence. They would know their job and where to mark and man mark and we would be in a better position to get headers on the ball. I clearly remember our box being so crowded with the likes of Bernard, Lookman and Gomez. The ball comes in and noone gets a touch on the ball so it hits Gomez on the shin and bounces along the line for an opposition player to tap in. that's not because we have no center half able to head the ball. its because the area is so overcrowded and each player does not clearly know his own responsibility. or is unable to perform the responsibilty the manager has given him. Yes I would have say 6/ 7 defenders and tell the others to give the other team something to think about and let the 6/ 7 defenders have sufficient space to be able to run at the ball and get height jumping to clear it. Ping pong is a different game in my view!

{Ed001's Note - why are you going on about zonal marking? City and Liverpool zonal mark but have good defensive records. It is not the zonal marking that is the problem. Silva cannot organise a defence, that is the issue.}


4.) 16 Feb 2019 12:14:21
Think that's the point ed001. Mr Moshri has indicated (inexplicably in my view) that Silva is here long term. If that is the case, then as he (Silva) is not capable of getting his zonal across then maybe he should just get them to defend.

{Ed001's Note - or get in a defensive coach? There is no point changing from zonal when it will make no difference as he still won't be able to organise a system.}


5.) 16 Feb 2019 12:51:07
Degsy why does it matter if we defend zonally or man to man marking. If we have players who can’t head a ball? I agree with you about having more players pushed up instead of having everyone back. For a team with pace we don’t catch anyone on the counter attack.
Maybe we would be better if Gueye did leave and have a more physical midfielder who can defend set pieces with height. Someone like Doucoure/ Matic then with two centre backs, Gomes isn’t to bad in the air what I’ve seen. Digne on the post and DCL coming back too.
I see a few people comparing Silvas defensive record from Watford and Hull. Nobody has mentioned his record at Sporting, Olympiacos or Estoril? Why because people will look at negatives and want to jump on the bandwagon like politicians picking and choosing stats that suit their argument. Was zonal marking ok in the first few months at all the clubs? When results go against any team confidence is lost and players/ managers/ supporters get nervous we as supporters need to get behind the team and manager to minimise the nervous and get the confidence back. Then we can get back to playing the football we know we can and move back up the league table.


6.) 16 Feb 2019 17:13:51
Sad to say you are spot on Ed. And yet still Mr Moshri has his rosey glasses on.


7.) 16 Feb 2019 17:30:45
Mr Moshri is a business man and knows what he is doing along with the Director of football Mr Brands if they are happy with Marco then that's good enough for me.
When discussing defending it doesn't help our situation when are full backs are so small in height, look at the size of Liverpools, City's full backs, 6 footers.


8.) 16 Feb 2019 19:39:38
Other teams manage zonal marking but it takes time so we need patience. The question is how much and I'd say by the end of the season if it's not clearly been sorted then time to think about what to do.
We won't go down.


9.) 16 Feb 2019 21:24:48
It's nothing to do with zonal marking it's the manager and staff they are not good enough loads of teams use zonal have done for years everyone is obsessed with the term zonal at the moment and can't see the bigger picture.


10.) 16 Feb 2019 22:15:59
Uran. Dusty Binned Martinez, brought in Koeman, binned him, then inexplicably brings in Silva on what basis?


11.) 16 Feb 2019 22:48:50
For once I agree with some of what you say degsy, pushing players forward for set pieces would help i think but for me the real problem we have at the moment is players that are not good to many bad buys in recent times until brands took over for me we done the right thing in not buying in last window a big clear out is needed this summer and I think we will see a lot of change this summer.

I have confidence in brands to make the the right changes to push us to the next level, whether Silva is the right man for the job or not we can't keep changing managers at the rate we are or we will push on, for me silva should be given time at least until mid next season, we as fans i think expect to much to soon managers need more time six months is not enough, for me i think Silva will be given this and we need to just let this season pass and see how we start out next season.


12.) 17 Feb 2019 07:11:34
dfs how should I know, ask him for his reasons, at the end of the day it's his money and he calls the tunes, so get used to it, stop Knockin Everyone in power at Everton fc including the Manager, typical Armchair footballer come/ Manager/ Chairman / Directory of Football.


13.) 17 Feb 2019 09:51:04
To answer your question Ed001."Why am I going on about zonal marking as City and Liverpool zonal mark? ". because early on in the season, lots of Evertonians were commenting that we needed a new center forward. I pointed out at that early stage that we were conceding so many goals at set pieces. That we needed to tighten up at the back. Scoring goals was not the problem. conceding goals was the problem. Particularly at set pieces. Our defending in normal play is not so bad. yes we have mistakes. but we mostly concede at set pieces. The stats prove it and Silva's record at his previous 2 clubs prove that when he sets up a team with zonal marking at set pieces, that team inevitably concedes a shed load of goals at set pieces. You can put that down to a number of factors. But it is clear to me that Everton cannot zonal mark with the players we have or the way Silva sets us up. Most likely it is a mixture of both. Either way, his 3 English clubs have indeed conceded shed loads of goals at set pieces. I believe the defenders we have are not as bad as appears. So it must be down to other factors. If you read my other post it also states the other factors which I won't repeat now. but that's why I mentioned zonal marking. Its part of a bigger problem.

{Ed001's Note - your defending in normal play is terrible, that is why you end up conceding so many set pieces! Fix that first and then you won't have such a problem.}


14.) 17 Feb 2019 11:16:15
That is so true too Ed. We give away needless free kicks so often. The other point I mentioned is certain players within the team are unable or unwilling to challenge for headers. eg Lookman, Bernard, Wallcott, Gomez, Digne all cannot or will not challenge. So why overcowd the area with them? I have seen balls ricocheting off these players straight to a forward to tap in a number of times this season. either play players who are willing to head the ball or get these players out of our box and up the field and give the opposition something to think about other than filling our box. It is basic childrens' coaching and would clear the box to allow our players who can head the ball or want to head the ball. At least then the "zones" would be uncluttered and our players who can head would be able to challenge without tripping over our players who cannot head. I really don't know why our defending in normal play is so bad? But we concede so many at set pieces, just sorting that out would improve our league position so much.

{Ed001's Note - I hate the modern policy of bringing everyone back, much better to leave at least one up to challenge for breaking balls.}


15.) 17 Feb 2019 14:33:19
Uran. Tea Lady, you left her out. A. As one of the Eds has said, finances do not work like that, in other words it is not Moshris money, he is but an investor. I also have stated on many occasion how I believe Brands is a very good appointment and it will work. Silva on the other hand is a terrible appointment, as I said the evidence is all there, yet all of it ignored on the word of some mysterious advisor.


16.) 17 Feb 2019 16:45:19
It is not easy to pick or know whether a manager is going to work at a particular club.
If it was, then managers would stay in jobs longer. Owners wouldn't need to sack as many managers.
The truth is, no one can be certain whether a manager is going to work or not. Silva is no different. He has done well in different leagues, he did well at Hull considering what he had to work with. He hasn't been with Watford or Everton long enough to be able to know whether he would be a hit or miss.
For a spell this season we looked good and since then we have looked awful.
Anyone saying they knew all along he wouldn't be any good or would be brilliant was purely guessing.

History shows bad managers can do good jobs and good managers can do poor jobs, it all depends on the club and circumstances.


17.) 17 Feb 2019 21:41:08
Have a lot of respect for you Smit, I really do. Problem is nobody thought to ask us LOL.


18.) 17 Feb 2019 21:55:11
Smit666, I think your assessment is spot on but also your judgement is way out. Three Clubs, 6 months and everything turns to rat droppings equates to initial hit, nothing changes then opposition says oh look here we go again. But dopey says she must still be asleep, let's carry on. The bloke is a fraud, probably the worse we have had and I include Walker in that.


19.) 18 Feb 2019 08:25:15
I agree with you too Smit mate. Managers are sacked far too quickly. My post was really saying this but now is starting to look like I was saying he is a poor manager. I actually think if he sorts this one thing out we can go places. Offensively we are better than last season. Defensively we are worse. So if we can sort the defense. all we need then is a good center forward. Simple.


20.) 18 Feb 2019 11:31:30
Agree Degsy. We should be thankful that Silva has only a defense to sort out, previous managers have had many more issues.
I have said before i don't know whether he is right or wrong but i'm definitely not going to run him out of town this early.
He needs this season at least and then we can assess in the summer for next season.


21.) 18 Feb 2019 12:00:48
Nice one Smit666 DFSouth you have to come down from your pedestal and stop acting like you are the owner of Everton and criticising Everyone including Marko Silva, were you saying he was a fraud at the beginning of season and up to the Liverpool game.
Just let them that invest or raise finances do their job, Silva is trying to succeed with a squad that is not his players, we need stability at our club changing managers is not the answer, he is finding things out about his players all the time, next season will be the test.
Virtual Every manager in Premiership are failures, they all been sack at some point in their career, with a few exceptions, Klopp and Pep
So do we experiment again with another fraud! (Your word)


 

 

13 Feb 2019 22:10:26
I still don't see all this critisism of the team and players the way most do. At the start of the season we looked pretty good. Mid season we looked ok. Even in this terrible run, we have shown good stats of shots and goals and possession. Where we have failed is in defence. I said at the beginning of the season that we were leaking too many goals. Particularly at set pieces. My son showed me a frightening stat the other day. It was the set pieces that had led to goals against Silva's teams. His previous 2 teams actually conceded more goals from set pieces than we have! That was measured as goals per game. So no matter if we play well and score one or two goals. we are likely to draw or lose based on the goals against figure! Just like his previous teams did. It is no wonder that his teams become lacking in confidence and start off well but then start to fall apart. The defenders must be scared stiff every time they walk on the pitch now. We need a new defensive coach or someone to make Silva aware that he has to change something soon or we will continue as his last 2 teams did. When he gets things going, we play well. But every time we give a corner or free kick away, I have to get another roll of andrex out! If we had a few wins or a decent run, the confidence would come flooding back. We did great against Chelsea and played good against Burnley and the reds. But all these games were set pieces have cost us points have also cost us confidence! He needs to sort it asap!

degsyp

1.) 14 Feb 2019 07:07:08
It will take time for zonal to stick in these players heads.
He wasn't at Watford and Hull long enough to get the message over.
Let's hope he gets it done here, and fast.


2.) 14 Feb 2019 10:17:41
How long for professional players at this level is long enough. They train every day. He had a pre-season. 7 months he has had. In my professions (ex) , same mistake over and over again would have cost a lot of money and my leaving. I assume for the majority of us, it would have been the same. If he has made the same mistakes at previous two Clubs with different players, then surely it has to be the methods.


3.) 14 Feb 2019 10:20:13
I cannot believe anyone still has any faith in Silva.


4.) 14 Feb 2019 10:37:55
The coaching team has the responsibility to coach the players in a way to improve their performance on the pitch. If they have not got the players to play how they want, they need to adapt the tactics around the players to get the best out of what they have available. So the question is are the coaching team fit for purpose?


5.) 14 Feb 2019 13:56:16
Most of them didn't have a pre season. Digne, Mina, Zouma, Bernard and Gomes came in late. Siggy and Gana were at the world cup.
Keane played man marking at Burnley and Coleman/ Kenny will not have played zonal at any point under our previous managers.

Our defensive errors are more down to individuals not being aggressive enough in the box, and not attacking the ball. Similar issues (players switching off) we saw with most of these players under previous managers.


6.) 14 Feb 2019 14:06:20
Sa90. I’ve not been able to watch MOTD for the last month because we’re so crap, so not even my telly is fit for purpose right now.


7.) 14 Feb 2019 14:58:11
That’s is our problem Smit, we are marking space instead of players and attacking the ball.

If you look at a lot of the goals we concede, the player taking the free kick, takes a step, stops waits a second or so then swings the ball in.

That is when our defenders move then stop, before the kick, allowing the opposing players to make the right move in the box, without being flat footed like our defenders.


8.) 14 Feb 2019 17:08:04
But the manager can't control that in a game can he Bignev.
How can any footballer know whether the ball is going to come into his zone if the ball hasn't been struck yet?
If that is the issue then it is the players that are at fault. Personally i think it is the players lack of understanding what to do if the player is moving into their zone from another zone.
time and time again we see the player who scores running in between 2 of our players/ zones and a lack of alertness/ communication from our player as to who has got the man.

If the ball looks to be going over the head of player A it is player B who needs to call the ball his and attack it.
This isn't happening, maybe it does in training but in the heat of battle i don't see it.
Zonal marking is about marking your zone but also to follow the flight of the ball and attack it.
The players aren't used to it but will have to learn it, or players need to be acquired who can play it.

I've heard people say the manager needs to adapt his style to the players, Why?
He has come in with a style of play and he is going to implement that.
Its like asking Pep to manage Burnley and play their way because of their players. He wouldn't do that. He would play his way and anyone who couldn't, would be shipped out. It is no different to Silva. Defending set pieces is about the whole team defending which is why we are pretty good at defending in open play.
We have to teach not only our first 11 but our whole sqaud this method and that is where the issue lies.
Siggy, Gomes, Richarlison have all been guilty of letting their man get away and score. Its not just the back 4, and that is the tricky part.

He can't just give up on it until he has the players otherwise he would be training all the players who can play that style incorrectly and we would never master it.

Unfortunately we have to suck it up and take the short term pain for a greater gain further down the line.

More and more teams all over europe are becoming successful with playing out from the back and zonal marking. Football is evolving due to not being able to tackle anymore. Everton need to be doing the same and not stuck in the good old days playing like a west brom or Burnley, because when the contact completely goes from the game which inevitably it will. The likes of Burnley and those kind of teams are going to find it even tougher than they do now.


9.) 14 Feb 2019 18:11:47
I am sure Marco Silva doesn't coach our defenders and midfielders to make individual mistakes that leads or could lead to us conceding a goal or coaching forwards to play the wrong pass or miss an easy chance, once they cross the white line it down to them, they are the professionals earning mega bucks.
I still believe Marco will be a good Manager for Everton, just need to give him time. He and his coaching staff knows what they have got, just like every armchair manager on this site. unfortunately he can't openly criticism or humiliate them, as they are so called valuable assets of the club, he has to keep their confidence as high as possible.
But at the end of the season he will know the players he will want to keep and the ones to let go and inform their agents to find them a new club, He and his coaching staff will be feeling it just like we do, only thing is that they can't visibly show it.


10.) 14 Feb 2019 20:35:24
Two great posts. Smit666 and Uran. Nice to see positive posts and looking at the bigger picture. I have been concerned recently and seeing other post does often make you lose patience. Marco hasn’t been scared to drop players like Coleman. We all have opinions of who should play and a lot agree Lookman should get the nod ahead of Walcott.
I think that not only do the players need to learn a new way of playing and defending zonally but supporters need to understand change too. I remember in the 90’s English football fans wanted to play direct football but have realised that possession is important as we have learnt internationally and when playing at club level in Europe.
Let’s get behind the team and manager and embrace the new Everton. Good things come to those who wait.


11.) 15 Feb 2019 10:36:50
we've looked ok? you been watching the wrong team in blue mate? sounds like you're talking about Chelsea not everton here?


12.) 15 Feb 2019 18:42:37
Certain players are making individual errors that are costly to us, that's got nothing to do with the Managers coaching, really top players make less or no mistakes, it's that simple, anyway our football under Marko is 100 x better than under Allardyce and Koeman.


13.) 15 Feb 2019 20:31:04
Do the bloody research. Identify the biggest threat and nominate your best to nullify it.


14.) 15 Feb 2019 23:07:55
What you going on about.


 

 

02 Feb 2019 17:37:50
25 games. 15 goals conceded from set pieces. Says it all.

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1.) 02 Feb 2019 18:27:25
And still the idiot zonal marks, uses the same tactics and formation. Absolute quality management if it doesn't work then keep persisting and it might work one week.
Its true what was said during the week that he flattered his eye lids at EFC and they fell for it hook, line and sinker.


2.) 02 Feb 2019 18:59:36
I think he has brought in some decent players and attacking wise we are just missing maybe a center forward. but these stats show we concede way to many from set pieces. If we just cut out half of them we would be on so many more points and still in FA cup. He will surely see soon that he needs to change?


3.) 02 Feb 2019 19:27:21
His posture is one that says he knows he will get to the end of the season and start of next.


4.) 02 Feb 2019 20:10:55
Degsyp, Charlie Nicholas put the boot in and when pundits start doing that, the end is nigh. Charlie 'Silva is not a Manager', a lot said in a simple sentence.


 

 

27 Jan 2019 15:07:49
562 mile round trip from Devon to Goodison. 8 years old and my Grandson has now done 5 games. Seen Everton score 2 goals. Lose 5 times out of 5! Yet is still an avid Blue! I feel so guilty introducing him to the pain of EFC! I wonder if the players are feeling the same pain as me and my Grandson? . never mind the cost!

degsyp

1.) 27 Jan 2019 15:25:03
Child abuse that is degsyp ;)


2.) 27 Jan 2019 15:42:08
I admire you Degsy you must like pain, and does your grandson still speak to you? If he stays an Evertonian he has great character and will do well in life because your teaching to deal with failure lol.


3.) 27 Jan 2019 16:30:18
And does he use your language too Degsy? These educational trips will help him be a man :-)


4.) 28 Jan 2019 10:06:16
My Grandson walked out holding Jags hand against Young Boys Degs, had a brilliant time. Couple of weeks after that he turned to the Dark side. No different to most Liverpool families I know but still hard to take LOL.


 

 

27 Jan 2019 08:38:26
Earlier in the week I saw posts on here saying that we needed a new center forward. People were debating who we should go for. I pointed out that the easy way for us to climb the table was by starting to have a few clean sheets. I suggested we were conceding far too many goals from set pieces and even pointed out that our biggest rivals had conceded just a fraction of the goals we have. A few people then chipped in with some really great comments. I want to bring it up again because I am a passionate Evertonian who was involved in youth coaching at amateur levels but consider my views progressive and sometimes accurate. Yesterdays game was a classic example of where we are going wrong in my view. We had 60 odd percent possession. We scored 2 reasonable goals. Yet we conceded 5 free kicks around our penalty area and they scored from 3 and nearly scored from another two. (if my memory of the game after a few beers is right) . Pickford was partly to blame. He did not command his area for any of the free kicks. But that's not the whole story. Zonal marking is partly to blame too. If a player is jumping from standing still, he will never outjump a player of similar height who is running and jumping. But here are my biggest concerns. The manager has certain players who will not head the ball. Walcott is one. Gomez is another. Richarlison is questionable. Lookman is tiny. Yet what do we do when we concede a corner or free kick? We have 11 players inside our own box. All in each others way and allowing the opposition to put 8 or 9 of their players in our box and then all mayhem breaks out if the delivery is good because half of our players don't want to head it. Their last goal was a classic example. If we said to Walcott and Lookman. go and stand on the half way line and wait for the break, then 2 of their players would have to drop back to mark them. It is about being brave defensively. Letting the keeper and center backs take command rather than having a crowded area where no one knows where the ball will ricochet. Then there is the childish way we react after scoring. I always advocated a tight 2 minutes after scoring a goal. What do we do? Give needless free kicks away straight after and. read above at how we defend free kicks. It is basic childs football. We are all happy and excited and not concentrating. Add all of these things together and it explains why we concede so many from set pieces. Add in Pickford is not the tallest in the world and that also does not help. I have watched this all season and yes yesterdays was the worst of the worst. but honestly read my post from a week ago. we need a new way of playing/ defending set pieces and we need players willing to head the ball without ducking out. We need less defenders at set pieces. we do not need another center forward when we are conceding 2 or 3 every game. A center forward will make bugger all difference. I accept if we sort the defence. then a center forward might be of use. But let's get back to basics first and defend like we should be defending because even Harry Kane in our team would only mean a couple of more points. Because we still concede 1, 2 or 3 nearly every game. Clean sheets are as rare as hens teeth with this Everton squad!

degsyp

1.) 27 Jan 2019 09:35:11
Degsyp, spot on. Can you guess who was addressing that first and then after giving him an 18 month contract, binned him for someone of no proven ability. Boring yes but let's face it, we would be in a better position in the table now, with the added advantage of no compensation for early contract termination and longer to do due dilligence on potential on a replacment. wouldn't this prevent, what some have said 'yeah let's sack managers every six months' by getting it right in the first place.


2.) 27 Jan 2019 10:21:07
I don't think I am saying sack the manager DFS. I actually think the club has signed some creative players and we have a more balanced squad than previously. I am pretty sure Silva is no dodo. But I look at football managers and see 2 types. There are those who arrive at a club and look at the squad and think, "How can I get the most out of this bunch of players? ". and they come up with a formula of tactics. Then there are those who arrive at a club and say, "The way I want my team playing football is this way or that way. " And they try and get the players to fit into a system rather than getting them to play at the best of their ability. Both ways sometimes are successful and both ways are sometimes unsuccessful. I remember Alan Ball keeping Southampton up as manager. He basically told the team. when you don't have the ball defend. When you get the ball. give it to Matt LeTissier if he is anywhere near their box. His tactics where as simple as that and it worked. Ok the modern game is much more complicated and fitness/ coaching/ positions are much more refined these days, but basics are still basics. I watch us defend corners and free kicks and we really do have all 11 players in our box. So the other teams put 8 or 9 of their players in our box. It is often mahem and the ball pinging all over the place. Last week it hit Gomez and flew straight in because he had no time to adjust his position and he is not a great defender anyway. Yesterday the hand ball goal went pinging across too. Its happened a few times because we are overcrowding our own area. If we had non zonal marking and said to Walcott or Lookman or Gomez or whoever else cannot head the ball. go and stand somewhere between the half way line and the edge of our box and be ready for the break. you can be sure that the other team would then say to their defenders. "hey mark those players". Because they would be thinking that if we clear the ball they are open at the back. Then Pickford, Mina, Keane or whoever would not be so crowded out. They could pick up runners and challenge without having a standing jump. A few of the set pieces against us are even just aimed at over the top and one of the oppo head it back across. where is the zonal player to mark that one? I just find it a messy way of defending and players are not sure who they should be picking up and like I said earlier. even if they do, some of our players are so poor at heading or weak in the air, we are inviting the other team to crowd our box. Surely Silva can see this? He seems to know good players and his other tactics are working. we are scoring more goals and playing far superior football now. It is such a simple thing to get right. let's hope he does eh?


 

 

 

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05 Feb 2019 07:49:20
All looking good then Pauly? . I think things are slightly different to how you see it mate. I think we have defended rubbish this season. As simple as that. Lots of games have been ok. We played well at Chelsea, Liverpool, Burnley and a few others. In other games we appeared to crumble. We did that also under Koeman, Martinez and to some degree under Allardyce. Moyes left us a decent but ageing squad. Martinez brought in older or inferior players with the exception of one or two. ie Lukaku, McCarthy and Barry. When Pienaar, Osman, Jags, Baines, Howard, Distin, Hibbert, Oviedo, Stones, Barkley, Naismith, Heitinga, Jelavic, Neville, Cahill, Fellani, Rodwell, Anichebe and others were all allowed to leave or retire without being suitably replaced. Lukakus goals covered up the inadequacies of the squad developing. Koeman then had that dreadful transfer window whereby we had no left sided players and Baimes' age started to show. Colemans is too now, Moyes had a continual line of players of quality coming in and going out. When he took over, our Walter Smith assembled squad was poor. Moyes reduced the age in his 1st 2 seasons. I am not saying I want Moyes back. But I am saying Silva is doing the same. But Silva seems to insist on Zonal marking and seems to have the team set up that leaks goals. Oh for a solid defence. That is where we are missing something. Less goals conceded would help immediately.

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30 Jan 2019 18:10:28
He said earlier that he understood that money talks and if the right offer came in he would understand?

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28 Oct 2018 06:52:24
I am sorry I posted now (not really) . In all seriousness, if we are looking to play Richarlison in a more central role (which I believe is the managers possible tactical idea with him) then that then leaves us a little weaker in numbers although at the end of the day quality is always better than quantity. It was just a rumour I picked up and had no basis other than that. Thanks for info Ed002. What will be will be.

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09 Aug 2018 07:35:41
Yes sell once a replacement is sorted. Should have learnt that after the Lukaku and 5 number 10's episode!

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06 Aug 2018 10:02:21
Holgate will become a fine player. He is still much too young to be a commanding CH as yet though. 2 more years will show what he is capable of becoming.

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23 Feb 2019 08:03:28
The crazy thing is we have improved as an attacking force. but our defending is probably worse that schoolboy level! Such a simple thing to sort but at the moment we look quite terrible. We give free kicks and corners away at times when we need to be calm. We have individual mistakes by the keeper and the two center backs and the two full backs seem to be hellbent on fouling. After we have given away fouls and corners, we crowd the box with players who can't head the ball. Walcott, Lookman, Gomez, Digne and Siggy all struggle. Yet attcaking wise we have plenty of possession and enough shots to win most games. The whole thing is barmy!

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22 Feb 2019 07:13:04
I honestly think we need to secure our Premier position with what we have now. We still need possibly 7 points and our run in isn't the easiest! Then we can talk about player needs.

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18 Feb 2019 08:25:15
I agree with you too Smit mate. Managers are sacked far too quickly. My post was really saying this but now is starting to look like I was saying he is a poor manager. I actually think if he sorts this one thing out we can go places. Offensively we are better than last season. Defensively we are worse. So if we can sort the defense. all we need then is a good center forward. Simple.

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17 Feb 2019 11:16:15
That is so true too Ed. We give away needless free kicks so often. The other point I mentioned is certain players within the team are unable or unwilling to challenge for headers. eg Lookman, Bernard, Wallcott, Gomez, Digne all cannot or will not challenge. So why overcowd the area with them? I have seen balls ricocheting off these players straight to a forward to tap in a number of times this season. either play players who are willing to head the ball or get these players out of our box and up the field and give the opposition something to think about other than filling our box. It is basic childrens' coaching and would clear the box to allow our players who can head the ball or want to head the ball. At least then the "zones" would be uncluttered and our players who can head would be able to challenge without tripping over our players who cannot head. I really don't know why our defending in normal play is so bad? But we concede so many at set pieces, just sorting that out would improve our league position so much.

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{Ed001's Note - I hate the modern policy of bringing everyone back, much better to leave at least one up to challenge for breaking balls.}


 

 

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17 Feb 2019 09:51:04
To answer your question Ed001."Why am I going on about zonal marking as City and Liverpool zonal mark? ". because early on in the season, lots of Evertonians were commenting that we needed a new center forward. I pointed out at that early stage that we were conceding so many goals at set pieces. That we needed to tighten up at the back. Scoring goals was not the problem. conceding goals was the problem. Particularly at set pieces. Our defending in normal play is not so bad. yes we have mistakes. but we mostly concede at set pieces. The stats prove it and Silva's record at his previous 2 clubs prove that when he sets up a team with zonal marking at set pieces, that team inevitably concedes a shed load of goals at set pieces. You can put that down to a number of factors. But it is clear to me that Everton cannot zonal mark with the players we have or the way Silva sets us up. Most likely it is a mixture of both. Either way, his 3 English clubs have indeed conceded shed loads of goals at set pieces. I believe the defenders we have are not as bad as appears. So it must be down to other factors. If you read my other post it also states the other factors which I won't repeat now. but that's why I mentioned zonal marking. Its part of a bigger problem.

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{Ed001's Note - your defending in normal play is terrible, that is why you end up conceding so many set pieces! Fix that first and then you won't have such a problem.}