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09 Apr 2018 09:37:02
Ed025 please can you alert Simontoffee to the messaage you put on other posts because it relates to one he had on the banter page. Thanks Degsyp.




04 Apr 2018 18:27:28
My goodness it is sometimes tough being an Evertonian. That much I know after 50 years of loyal support. The ups and the downs are hard to take. especially the downs. But sometimes I do despair at our own support. I see below criticism of the club for appointing Pienaar as International Club Ambassador. There has been criticism of our signing of Walcott and particularly Cenk Tosun. There has been criticism of the proposal of a new stadium at times. Criticism of Bill Kenwright taking money out of the club. Criticism by some Ed's on here that some of our fans are "toxic". Criticism of the last 3 managers. Criticism of the last 4 managers actually. no make that 10 managers! The point I am trying to make is that we have been in the top flight only 2nd to the mighty Arsenal. In itself that is a testimony to the heirarchy of our great club. Yes the years have been lean of late. Yes we have made some mistakes. But whilst I ackknowledge that Moshiri has come in with some financial support, some supporters seem to think this means instant success in every way. Reality suggests we will need slow gradual growth akin to previous successful periods. It will be a coming together of many things. Youth, finances, Ground, players signed, cup success, community support and the one thing needed by every club. support. That does not come by people constantly moaning about every decision the club makes. It comes as it says on the tin. with support. I know that is tough at times. but to whinge and moan at every decision the club makes. no wonder Ed002 says we sometimes have "toxics" on here. It is like a negative drip feed. and I will stop at that because I am starting to sound like one myself!


1.) 04 Apr 2018 21:01:48
The mighty Arsenal have not been in the top flight longer than us. We hold that record. They hold the record for never being out of the top flight. Not being picky degs, just proud of the stat.

2.) 04 Apr 2018 21:03:46
Stop criticising the critics on here Degsy! 😂.

3.) 04 Apr 2018 21:06:19
I don't think i have seen any posters on here that I would say have constantly moaned about every decision. I think you are reading a group of posts of different people criticising different aspects and in your head it seems like people are constantly moaning about everything.
I like to think I have got to know something of the mindset of regular posters on here, a bit like i would a friend or colleagues.
You get to know what their general views of different aspects of the club are. What they like and dislike. Who has similar opinions to yourself and who doesn't.
We cannot just not criticise and accept every decision of the club, manager or players. Yes we support and we always will but, we have to ask questions too. And if we disagree with a decision of the club, we have the right to constructively criticise that decision, be that on here, or any social media.

4.) 04 Apr 2018 21:50:28
All fair points. but I would still say one or two just seem to moan about everything and I wonder why they bother. if something made me constantly miserable. I would change something. Hey Grumpy if you are still reading. make a comment somewhere.

5.) 04 Apr 2018 23:09:24
My point about the manager below Degsy is, wouldn't you want a manager of our club to sound like Coleman? Or would you prefer Moyes comment saying we were already beaten because we're not good enough.

I'm not much of a defeatist. I said the other day that I have no doubt at all that we will be at the top of football again. However, I don't like managers who play for anything other than a win and won't accept a defeatist mentality.

Can we not lose the word toxic on here when describing supporters though? It's getting shoehorned in to describe people simply making points that some don't agree with. Its very insulting to genuine people making a comment.

I think we know what ED meant when he said it. Let's try to be more original.

6.) 05 Apr 2018 00:01:17
Great post degsy, moan about the moaners is that not hypocritical? Everybody is entitled to an opinion and it is just that, a personal opinion just like yours is and the word toxic is just ridiculous because if something is toxic it is likely to kill and words cannot do that. I don't hate SA I dislike his tactics and management, I am not toxic I am passionate. I am not saying the post was aimed at any poster in particular but I have complained before about SA and his negativity so thought I would just defend my reasons.

7.) 05 Apr 2018 05:36:17
Who are these one or two Degsyp? Are you one of them because all your posts are either about toxic supporters who you don't name or about the clubs abysmal buying policy no left back cover, no new striker following Lukaku, no replacement for Barkley, only one left footer. All perfectly valid comments but critical all the same.
But no one calls you toxic or sad so please stop calling all supporters with a different viewpoint to you toxic as its not helping.
Can we please have some constructive discussions on this site?

8.) 05 Apr 2018 08:24:33
Calm down guys. I was just trying to instigate some perspective. Not really aimed at any one in particular. I will answer BJU on the winning mentality thing though. when Moyes used his knives against guns analogy (if that is what he said? ) I guess he was trying to sort of rally the troops. I do believe that Moyes was a winner. I also believe he saved us from relegation when he arrived. I had been pretty sure we were going down that season and with about 5 games to go we got the results needed. We then in all bar one season hovered arounfd 6th in the league. Got into many cup quater finals and a couple of semis and one final. Beating very good Man Utd teams and occasionally beating Liverpool. The top 4 at that time were bankrolled significantly by Russian money, Sky money and American money. We were fighting by buying quality players cheap then selling them on expensively. We almost got into that top 4 by doing this. Yes I know that was then and this is now. but have we improved on our league positions since him? Have we had better cup runs since him? Have we improved in any area since him? I would say we improved with the signing of Lukaku. Maybe Barry was also a good temporary signing. I would add that the fact that our 3 best defenders are Jags, Baines and Coleman. ex Moyes signings and are basically too old now . well maybe Coleman has 2 more seasons in him. but where will we find another 3 players like that now? Go through the players we signed under Moyes and had for some years. Ones that are miles better than what we have since signed, Stones, Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini, Gravesen, Donovan, Distin, Baines, Jags, Coleman, Yobo, Yakubu, Pienaar, Neville, Carsley, Lescott, Howard, Fernandes. whilst some were on loan and some signings did not work out. compare that lot with what we have now and that lot would have stuffed any of our squads (Lukaku excepted) in the last 6 years. Before I get berated for saying this. you asked. so I answered.

9.) 05 Apr 2018 08:54:56
Only at EFC could you get moaners moaning about moaning! Classic! It's not that our fans are toxic they just like a good whinge and some of them are pretty good at it. If some of the squad would show as much passion on the pitch as some of us do whinging on this forum we would be in a much better place.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right sa..

10.) 05 Apr 2018 09:26:00
At least we got another 5 minute lecture/ moan from Degsyp on the failings of Everton's transfer policy since Moyes left.

11.) 05 Apr 2018 10:03:21
Yes because all Moyes signings were top class weren't they. Not. Listen we have a new guy coming in as DoF so our transfer policy will have a massive positive overhaul as we will finally have a DoF who is proven in the role. This season has been a shambles and one to forget but the good news is the man at the top has seen this and is making the right moves to get it right.

12.) 05 Apr 2018 10:47:06
He didn't win 1 game away from home against the top 4 in 11 years! Plus no mention of 1 trophy win in 11 years! Not much of a winner for me.

Where you measure our current teams against Moyes I measure them against winning managers like Royle and Kendall who were true winners.

I loved some of the players we had during Moyes era but they didn't win a thing so I won't put them any higher than the ones now. Measure success with trophies. That's my point below.

Moyes did say knife at a gun fight, also other comments like he's took us as far as he can because of OUR limitations. Oh and how we should allow players to leave for bigger clubs to further the players career.

I won't deny he done a job in saving the club from relegation but don't tell me he improved our reputation or improved our mentality back into winners. The man was a scab on our club and has left a wound that will take time to heal. 11 years was 6 or 7 years too long.

13.) 05 Apr 2018 10:51:24
Agreed Bluegray. Let's just hope the rumours are true. 1st step on the road back.

14.) 05 Apr 2018 11:35:44
BW2412 if you read Degsy's post instead of dissecting it, you will see what it is he is trying to say. He states that ED002 has stated some fans are toxic, he himself has not said he thinks the fans are toxic.

If you are an advocate of naming and shaming and that the so called "Toxic" fans should be named then allow me to offer a few words of caution, by naming individuals, it will only do more harm than good and actually drive people away from this site. There is a reason why the Ed's do not participate in this practise.

Degsy actually raises some good points in his post, or at least that's how I read it, He states or implies that since Moyes has left we have not had a Manager doing an equal or better job at Everton, regardless of the fact that they have had better resources at their disposal. They are his views and opinions and as such should not be berated for them.

15.) 05 Apr 2018 11:42:39
I liked your post Degsy it was a good read I'm 39 and I have followed Everton since my first breath. I'm a season ticket holder and I will support the players even the ones I deem not good enough while they wear the blue shirt I won't leave games early and I don't Boo (but I have no problem with fans booing they pay a lot of money supporting our club). anyway Degs good post mate.

16.) 05 Apr 2018 11:57:50
Degsyp in his post said that he would still say that one or two just
seem to moan about everything.
I don't believe that is the case and he is grouping various posts by a lot of people and coming to the wrong conclusion which is why I called him out and asked who he is talking about.
Quite frankly all this 'toxic' talk does the club no good at all and it's about time it was stopped.
We are all entitled to our opinions and, yes, Degsyp does make some good points about Everton transfer policy. I probably agree with a lot of it. He has good, valid arguments, points of view - you could even call them moans.
That does not make him toxic, nor is anyone else with a point of view so can we all stop and start having constructive discussions. That means ALL of us, you and Degsyp, me included, not berating people.

17.) 05 Apr 2018 12:07:53
Good reply BW2412 mate,

Fully agree it's time we all had a group hug and moved on.

I even gave you a thumbs up :-)

18.) 05 Apr 2018 12:14:35
Well there's a first. Gave you one back.

19.) 05 Apr 2018 13:18:52
Can I get in on the hugging action?

20.) 05 Apr 2018 13:27:12
I am all for the group hug. Especially this weekend when the ball hits the redside's net (posh version! ) . Seriously. I only answered because BJU asked the question. I do believe that in Moyes' time, we were restricted by monetary factors which are less relevant today. But I also feel we are in a worse position. so although yes we won nothing. under the circumstances, I thought Moyes left a decent squad behind. I also think it ahs deteriorated since. If that is construed as moaning. my God you have never heard me. because believe me guys. I can moan like a banshee with fire in her belly!

21.) 05 Apr 2018 14:05:59
I have fond memories of the Moyes era as I felt that at least we challenged during it.
Yes I think he stayed a year or two too long but was that him or the board.
Yes I think he was wrong the way he went after Baines and Fellaini. I think when we see his memoirs he would admit and say he did it wrong but if Fonseca does come to us would we not expect him to try and bring some of his old players.
Was he as good as Kendall - no in my view
Was he better than Martinez or Koeman -I think so
Was he better than Big Sam - YEH! obviously
It's all about opinions isn't it.

22.) 05 Apr 2018 16:18:50
For the favours you have done for me this season Smit mate you get the first invite when the hugging starts.

23.) 05 Apr 2018 17:51:16
To be fair Degsy not once did I say you were moaning. I just had a difference of opinion on Moyes and winners.

My only other point was to stop mentioning toxic to infer or describe fellow supporters. I think you're better than that and usually don't normally question somebody's reason for starting/ joining a debate and instead offer another point of view. That's why I like you.

24.) 05 Apr 2018 18:05:52
Cheers Grumpy. You are welcome.

25.) 05 Apr 2018 20:24:04
Hey guys no problems with any of the comments and maybe I have overstated a few things. I will certainly drop the toxic moans from now on. And I am not sure my original post came over the way it was supposed to. I was not really bigging Moyes up. more like saying that things had gone downwards since. yet we have had money available since. I already get that Moyes was not everyone's cup of tea. My point was more aimed at the state of the squad now compared to what he left behind for Martinez. We have gone through players at such a rate and are now relying on oldies and kids. I also apologise if I have been grouping people together with certain posts. No offence meant chaps. AndI do respect everyone's views on here. I just get a bit cheesed at times when I read posts constantly criticising the board. We all tend to forget that the club are indeed doing so much in the community, are trying to get our old glory days back and basically working hard trying to do what we all want.

26.) 05 Apr 2018 23:14:52
I'm telling you now Degsy and take this as written law, with fans like you, me and everyone on here WE will bring glory days back to this club. Its people like us here that make such a difference. Some might not think so but we are the passionate ones. The ones that take time to share thoughts and views. Try to convince that the grass can be greener.

You should big Moyes up if you want to. If you think it's gone down the pan since that's fine. Tell me I'm a div for not thinking so. Maybe I am. I don't know everything, just most things😁

However, do not ever keep it inside. None of you on here. don't be Be afraid to say what you want to say. Its important to get it off your chest good or bad.

But believe this. It's going to happen. This club is going to improve. We will get back to the top and how do I know? Just take a look in the mirror. And when you've been to our home and cheered these boys on and stood as the 12th man you'll know why.

Take a load off guys, and be proud to be who we all are -Evertonians.

{Ed0333's Note - I applaud your jingoism mate.

27.) 06 Apr 2018 07:29:08
I'm having that as my word of the day ED. Right I'm off to take on Trump, Kim Jong Un and that bloke that keeps parking in my driving speck in work. Rrrrraaaaaahhhhhh!

{Ed0333's Note - Is the guy that parks in your parking space called Sam and has he got a big blue bus? Only joking mate. Glad you like jingoism fella it’s one of my favorite words.
Good luck for the game tommorow mate and let’s hope we get a veritable feast of football and let the best team win. I seriously think you have a good chance of winning tommorow as I’m hoping we’ll rest 6-8 players as we have a date with destiny on Tuesday.



28 Mar 2018 08:07:07
Ok guys. let's start with a "good morning". Another day. another dollar. I am off to Turkey again in 2 weeks and visiting others so will not be able to post too much over the next 5 weeks. but thanks to all the positive support for Grumpy and me. To us it did feel like the world was against us and I felt I had to offer him my support after I saw his apology (which I really thought was an unecessary one) . but hey yeah let's all move on and have banter without insults! Happy daze!


1.) 28 Mar 2018 11:34:29
I haven't seen any insults mate? maybe its just me, I LOVE different opinions, we can all be guilty of tunnel viewing of our team, I think we are all just disappointed with this season?

2.) 28 Mar 2018 11:53:25
No insults. just a couple who are self absorbed?

3.) 28 Mar 2018 12:39:24
Hi degsy mate, don't let the idiots on here grind you down with rubbish insults, you are far better than that, keep up the posts mate I can tell you enjoy writing on here and a loyal fan you are, at the end of it all we want is the best for Everton, don't LEAVE cheers.

4.) 28 Mar 2018 12:46:56
Thanks GB. Not sure I understand what you are saying MTBTY?

5.) 28 Mar 2018 16:02:10
So GuernseyBlue anyone with a different opinion to you is an idiot? now that's an insult, LOL.

{Ed002's Note - That is not what he said.}

6.) 28 Mar 2018 16:08:33
I am taking the potted plant Ed, (in a nice way) lol.

{Ed002's Note - THat is fine, you help yourself.}

7.) 28 Mar 2018 16:38:45
I understood exactly what GB was saying and am grateful for his support. let's all stop the little digs here and there eh fellow Blues? Both me and Grumpytoffee were on the recieving end of a few "digs". Whilst we can be accused of being over sensitive, we are both trying hard not to respond again and escalate the debate into an argument again. I think that's what we are trying to say. It doesn't help when people then start wind ups again. especially if when we repond. they cannot take it themselves. Banter yes. insults no.

8.) 28 Mar 2018 16:39:48
bloody heck school yard this site bit of grown up banter didn't hurt anyone.

9.) 28 Mar 2018 18:26:08
That's not what I said mate, this is all getting a bit deep now, let's leave it there and let's all agree to disagree cheers mate.

10.) 28 Mar 2018 19:34:26
Exactly! GB . banter is good. when it gets personal it is bad. Simples.

11.) 28 Mar 2018 20:44:10
Too true mate its only opinions, but it should not get personal.



27 Mar 2018 16:47:04
Finally, that leaves you all able to agree with each other safe in the knowledge that there will be no opposing views.


{Ed025's Note - the site is all about opinions degsy and to expect everyone to agree would be naive at best, sometimes it can get a bit heated but i dont think it gets nasty mate and if it did i would delete the thread, if our posters start caving in at the first sign of pressure no wonder the team is doing the same mate.. :)

1.) 27 Mar 2018 17:40:08
Ed I don't have a beef with you. I have a problem when the likes of Grumpy and me have a differing opinion than others and then people start with insults and comments that do not relate to football matters but do relate to our personalities or the fact that we are repeating ourselves. of course we repeat when the same repeaating opinion from the "other side" of the debate is repeated also. it is just a numbers game. if 8 people disagree with me and I reply to all 8.then I am repeating myself 8 times in effect with maybe slightly different twists. but when people start saying the stuff they have said lately. eg we are taking over the site, we are cry babies etc that is not football related. Added to which I stopped debating Leon Osman some time back yet a couple of posters came on bringing it up that I always go on about him. I never brought the subject up. he did. but I know if I respond. I am damned if I do and damned if I dont. Yes Grumpy was in theminority 2 of us. and yes I used the term "toxic" which was probably a bit harsh (for which I am happy to apologise for) but I really feel that Grumpy was treated without any respect in a similar manner to myselfso will just say I will keep my debating to places where I can explain what I mean more clearly and perhaps I will post on here again when I have calmed down a bit? But hey Grumpy did not deserve to be talked to in the way he was in my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - i dont edit all the posts degsy as other eds have access to these pages, i could be wrong but i cant say i have seen any vitriol towards you and grumpy and if it was then its my fault for not curtailing it, there has been some stick given out but i feel it was mostly in jest (like your osman ones) and i would like to think our lads are better than being vicious mate..

2.) 27 Mar 2018 17:42:38
and like I said, all of those who don't want to hear the opinion of Grumpy or me can now all agree in unison. without the contradictory views of me. and maybe Grumpy? I am sure he is old enough to decide his own course of action lol!

3.) 27 Mar 2018 18:15:26
Well I will have a little break and keep an eye out as to whether Grumpy posts or not. I do feel I owe him some support as it ended up with the 2 of us and the odd bit of support being damned for suggesting that Sam Allardyce might not be the whole story of the club's problems. What is apparent is that the fans are indeed being split down the middle either for him or against him and both Grumpy and me agreed on that.

{Ed025's Note - i think its to do with sam rather than you and grumpy mate..

4.) 27 Mar 2018 19:31:37
Come on guys. The site is a better place with you posting. Don't take anything to heart. Sometimes in text the feeling doesn't cross over. There is no reason to let a few posters who might have made it personal drive you from the site.
Chin up and carry on regardless.

5.) 27 Mar 2018 20:24:06
Have to say I agree with some posts by many posters, if I tend to disagree I will put my view point across, we each have different views, I cannot speak for other posters, I enjoy reading posts, my replies might not be me being right, far from it, I tend to look at the logical part, but I would never name call or get nasty and personal with another poster, by all means it’s good to have a difference of opinions.

What I think make some posters blood boil is before a ball has been kicked, some will slate the team, individuals, manager just before kick off, Will see another post and instead of disagreeing and putting a view across, they will target the poster instead of the real problem.

Sam is the problem, however Grumpy I do agree the players are also a part of the problem so I agree blaming everything on Sam alone is not right.

Certain players need to step up, all I see at the moment is players preferring to play a simple pass to get rid of the ball, there seems to be a fear of players afraid of taking opponents on, so a simple pass takes the focus away from them.

I do not like Sams style of play, but is this all down to Sam, or something as simple as the players just not prepared to have a go and take players on, is it a fear of being dropped, making a mistake and getting slaughtered, for me it is time the players accepted they are part of the blame, step up and lose the fear factor and have a go.

{Ed025's Note - food for thought there bignev..

6.) 27 Mar 2018 20:32:20
Degsy if this post is aimed at me and ed001 for joking about your (previous) Osman posts yesterday or day before? I can assure you I meant no malice in it and if I’m honest it was a funny comment he made in his debate with Grumpy that made me laugh as did the comment about you being related to Osman.

{Ed025's Note - i was saying to degsy, that is just a bit of banter joe and there is nothing wrong with that mate..

7.) 27 Mar 2018 21:25:27
Thanks for the support Degsy it's nice to know I have not been left out on a limb.

Things escalated on here until the point was reached where I would of started trading insults instead of just taking them. You once again have raised some really good points and in fairness to Ed025 he has taken them on board, or that's how his comments read to me.

Apologies should never really be needed on forums yet I found myself having to use them, I have not, nor ever will, apologise for my views I apologised for how I expressed them. You have hit the nail on the head when you talk about the need to keep repeating, but when the same questions and views are posted time and time again we sometimes have little choice.

I too will be posting a lot less in the future and will only reply to posts where I feel a debate can take place, as soon as it turns away from debating I will stop. I have already decided on a few posters that I just will not bother replying to as my thoughts and feelings suggest that those individuals are only intent on causing arguments and throwing insults.

Saying that though, on the whole, there are a good few posters who are prepared to debate, you know yourself mate that the true art of debating involves at least two opposing views. There are also some genuinely nice people on here as well, It's because of that I have decided on what actions I will take and have expressed them in previous paragraphs, It would be great if you stayed as well mate as leaving achieves nothing, stay and continue to be a thorn in some peoples side mate.

8.) 27 Mar 2018 21:40:22
Degsy and Grumpy are some of our best posters and encourage debate. I wish our team played with the same passion that these debates raise. We would European Champions by now lol. Keep posting guys :-)

9.) 27 Mar 2018 23:20:00
You know what Degsy, Grumpy and everyone else. We all have different views on different things. We also on some things have the same views as well. I honestly don't think anyone is nasty, horrible or has any malice towards anyone. Maybe sarcastic at times or frustrated (this is me) .

Just as the people on Sam's side get frustrated at those moaning about him so to do the people on the other side of the argument. Has anyone seen parliament and how that turns adults into children?!

However, we are one passionate bunch. We all love this bloody club and if this club is ever going to be successful again it will because of people like us - all of us. Even the moaners.

We all want one thing and it's the one thing we can ALL agree on - for Everton to be great again.

And we will. I have no doubt. Not even a little tiny bit. It's because I remember. The pub after games with us bickering over how bad we are. Some saying sack the manager, some blaming the players. Others supporting them and instead blaming the board. I heard it in the 70s, 80s. Then in the 90s and now is no different.

However - when the time came when the one thing that could save us, the one piece that had to come together, it was us the fans. Even with our different views. We came together and in 90 minutes we could change a club.

So don't one of you think what is written here is about you because it's not. It's not the Grumpy forum, the bluejohn forum or the degsy forum (by the way I love Ossie so mention him all you want) . It's about Everton and the passion we all have for it.

Now when can we sack Sam🤣.

{Ed0333's Note - We’ll said mate. If we can’t have a good bitch and moan about our clubs then what’s the point of having a team!

10.) 28 Mar 2018 10:03:39
This is turning into a but of a degsy and grumpy love fest get a grip boys you will always have posters agreeing and disagreeing with you that's the point of this site. Your posts are valid as its your opinions, if people don't agree then that's there perogative. Some post do go over the top at times but just ignore them, its not like the posts have any real impact on your life anyway unless you let them. Keep posting boys as your perspective and opinions open up some good debate which keep the site interesting.

11.) 28 Mar 2018 10:33:22
Well thanks to all of you who posted support. I have to say that you guys are not the ones I was referring to Except for Joe Mc EFC and the Osman comment. and I guess I was just a bit sensitive by that point. I understand all you are saying guys. but Grumpy toffee will tell you that when you are outnumbered on here with an opinion, it feels like the world is against you.

you answer one person's question wit what you think is a good reply and then someone else picks up what you have said. disagrees and asks you another question or puts a slightly different angle on it. so you replay and whilst you are replying, another question pops up.

Before you know it, you are being accused of going on and on about a subject! In reality, it is a debate but because you are outnumbered and the opposite side of the debate invites others to "debate" with you, you are repeating things continually. Enough said on this matter.

I, just like Grumpy toffee am going to avoid Sam debates because at the end of the day we have both agreed that supporters are just too split on him. so yes he is wrong for Everton. Not because of his ability or tactics. but because we need a united club. That does make me fearful for the future because I fear we need that united support.

What happens if the next manager cannot immediately turn things around? There comes a point where someone needs time. something perhaps our younger fans have difficulty with? and that is a question not a statement. I am away for a while now and will have a break and see how I feel when back in a few weeks.



27 Mar 2018 16:45:37
I saw below that Grumpytoffee posted a huge apology. somewhat similar to one I posted many moons ago when people were having a go for me repeating myself. I am not even going to say what about. But I also note that Grumpytoffee has not posted since. something I also decided to do. But I came back after a break and have deliberately not mentioned (except in a joking way) the cause of my "conflabs" with others. Yet I have seen other people bringing up the very same subject as criticisms of me a few times of late. and I have refused to bite/ respond. The point I am making is that it takes 2 to have an argument/ debate. so for all the times I mentioned my part of the discussion. others must have been making an opposing view. In the same way, I feel Grumpytoffee has been very unfairly treated by some on here for only giving his view on things when others have given opposing views on the same subjects. For that reason I am going to retire from these posts and then those of you who do not wish to hear what I have to say. well you don't have to anymore. I am guessing Grumpytoffee feels the same because I have not seen a post from him since.


{Ed025's Note - grumpy is only refusing to post on managerial matters as far as i know degsy, he is a really good asset to the site and im sure he will be commenting on other topics mate..

1.) 27 Mar 2018 20:31:25
No poster should have to worry about their view points, I have done posts and others have a different view point, I have agreed with some of your posts Degsy and also Grumpy, if I don’t, I will put across my view, does not make me right and others wrong, but no poster should be targeted for their view point, keep on posting Degsy and Grumpy along with all the other posters, without posters contributions and some good responses from the Ed’s, this site would be very boring, if we all agreed all of the time.

{Ed025's Note - that works for me mate..




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27 Jan 2018 08:21:43
I think the club were shocked at Barkley's determination to leave. Especially as it coincided with Lukaku. That's are 2 top scorers and there was and obvious need to replace them both. We were then caught up in the shock of extra TV money causing an instant increase intop players values. so the likes of Sigurdson's fee of £45 million cames as a shock. Add into that Giroud mucking about. signing/ not signing and then the availability of Rooney and Klaasen. (Klaasen's fee being somewhat lower) . The whole lot was messy and poor. then Baines got injured. it is just all messy. but the dice didn't fall in the best way for us.




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27 Jan 2018 08:21:43
I think the club were shocked at Barkley's determination to leave. Especially as it coincided with Lukaku. That's are 2 top scorers and there was and obvious need to replace them both. We were then caught up in the shock of extra TV money causing an instant increase intop players values. so the likes of Sigurdson's fee of £45 million cames as a shock. Add into that Giroud mucking about. signing/ not signing and then the availability of Rooney and Klaasen. (Klaasen's fee being somewhat lower) . The whole lot was messy and poor. then Baines got injured. it is just all messy. but the dice didn't fall in the best way for us.




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27 Jan 2018 08:14:31


{Ed025's Note - im talking about codes degs.. :)




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09 Apr 2018 07:17:37
ED025 Thanks for understanding my post and not seeing it as another praise the Moyes one. you got exactly what I was saying. we are a club in a mess. We had lots of change and need some stability somehow. Unsworth is a good start. He should be made 100% to feel wanted and valued. He obviously wanted to manage us desperately and probably still does. That should be the bedrock for the future. He should be groomed exactly for that position. He should know that in the future that job is likely his. I hope Moshiri/ BlueBill make him aware that this is the 5 year plan! Then the rest of the club can start to be built around that bedrock!


{Ed025's Note - i would certainly be happy with that degsy, unfortunately with the clamor for instant success i cant see that happening anytime soon, wenger is the last of the long time managers i feel and the future looks like being managers having short term contracts and it becoming a merry-go-round, maybe its the likes of us being out of touch with reality in our old age mate..



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09 Apr 2018 07:11:38
I obviously missed something yesterday. But Grumpy mate, you can see the affection people have for you on here. I think both you and I know we have rattled a few feathers on here a few times. I am genuinely sorry to hear you are suffering at the moment and maybe you should have a little break off here if your emotions are getting the better of you? that's a decision only you can make. I myself have started to do more tongue in cheek stuff. eg the poster who said I had been on the juice. I did reply but the Ed's obviously never saw the funny side. I did a reply which basically said "hic" not me or something similar! You decide what you need to do. but understand that you are indeed very very well respected for your views by most posters on here. Some might disagree. but they are only other people giving their opinions from their perspectives. and their perspectives might be different to ours! Hope you have a great day. DegsyP.


{Ed025's Note - i think we all echo that degsy..



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08 Apr 2018 18:55:03
2 great posts with interesting viewpoints.




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08 Apr 2018 16:09:29
Actually Sam made some substitutions that affected the game. He brought on the younger enthusiastic and faster kids. It very nearly paid off. I am not sure if they were on for the whole game whether we would have been able to play the whole game in that manner? I am not a professional manager like the rest of our supporters. (sarcasm lads) . laugh!




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08 Apr 2018 16:04:04
You can only play as well as your opponent allows as the old saying goes. I also believe we are a million miles behind the 2 clubs mentioned. 10 years ago we had been averaging 6th position for a while. We actually were starting to look like we might break into the top 4. Now we are looking like mid table. But we have 3 of our best players reaching retirement and will have to find some quality players just to stand still.


{Ed025's Note - i think we had gone as far as we could under moyes degsy and a change was the right call, unfortunately the managers we have had since have all flattered do deceive mate and now this club is broken and it will take at least a few seasons to fix, getting the right man is paramount but we should not expect him to wave a magic wand and everything will be ok, it will take time and patience but you know as well as anybody that our supporters want immediate results..