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01 Sep 2017 17:17:16
Anyone know anything about this kid we got from Fulham?

geoffjohno

1.) 01 Sep 2017 21:17:37
Sorry no, perhaps Ed might know a bit more about the player, but I hope we're putting huge buy out clauses in them as the way the market is going it will become the norm, it's average players going for 30/ 40 million, this is what these mega rich owners come in for and the market will grow and grow. big profits turning over on players like lookman bought for £10m let's just say he is squad player still in a coulple of years his value will be possible 30/ 40 million could be even more and no mater what people think about Chelsea when they started buying people that were never going to play, it is a business module everyone is doing now.

{Ed002's Note - No.}


2.) 02 Sep 2017 05:05:53
His names Dennis.


3.) 02 Sep 2017 09:30:05
Fulham's 18-year-old England under 23 international Dennis Adeniran joined Everton on transfer deadline day and has gone straight into the under 23 squad. He made 3 first team appearances for Fulham last season, their fans are apparently fuming he was sold.


 

 

25 Jul 2017 00:06:53
One thing I have noticed recently is that lukaku (this summer) and Suarez (2014) both cost around 75 million.
I know it's all relative and costs mean nothing but I would prefer Suarez every day to lukaku.

Btw hope we sort sigurdsson and a tall striker with maybe couple squad players coming in to assist the youngsters.

geoffjohno

1.) 25 Jul 2017 07:50:15
Suarez would be 150 million now mate.


 

 

02 Jul 2017 22:46:50
All I can say is wow. We are doing our unless early with more to come. Just hope we can get these players quickly and hit the ground running come start of season.

Everton to announce signing of Burnley defender Michael Keane Monday

goo.gl/C4J9W

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30 Jun 2017 15:45:21
Barca want Geri back. All terms agreed apparently. Not too disappointed. Good player just lacked consistency.

geoffjohno

1.) 30 Jun 2017 16:05:50
Clause activated so it's a done deal.
I agree Jeff - not a huge loss. Hope he does well, now on to bigger and better for the blues.


2.) 30 Jun 2017 16:17:45
Is it all done? I saw reports he didn't want to go back and sit on the bench in the World Cup year, so guessing he can still refuse?


3.) 30 Jun 2017 16:35:06
Read that too Southern but its also been mentioned that its certain to be a deal where he is immediately sold on for a profit. He only signed 2 year deal.


4.) 30 Jun 2017 16:29:51
Thing is boys, they may not be buying him back to play for them but so they can sell him for but more profit. Dunno. Maybe ed2 knows what is going on.

{Ed002's Note - A loan is possible.}


5.) 30 Jun 2017 17:18:37
Good luck Geri definatly a gifted player but just couldn't cope with the pace of premier league.


6.) 30 Jun 2017 17:34:52
I don't think they can sell him for 12 months and then he will only have 12 months on his contract so can't see them getting much more than the money they've paid for him.


7.) 30 Jun 2017 16:54:06
It was well documented that if Barcelona bought him back, they would not be able to sell or loan him in the first season.

{Ed002's Note - The can sell him but a percentage of any profit would go to Everton.}


8.) 30 Jun 2017 17:47:12
Not convinced Barcelona would post it on their official site if they weren't confident of a deal. It states he'll be there until 2019.


9.) 30 Jun 2017 17:48:36
Barcelona can not only NOT sell Geri within the first year, or loan him out, the details of the buyback clause mean he HAS to be a member of Barca's first team squad. This isn't rumour these are actual details from the agreement. Also he can't be forced back if he doeant agree terms, which are not yet agreed.


10.) 30 Jun 2017 17:51:44
Another Barkley for me. On his day a great player. Unfortunately his day is less than often.

{Ed025's Note - could not agree more kingo..


11.) 30 Jun 2017 22:21:23
I'm sick of us Evertonians having to constantly use the word "potential. "
How long before potential's not realized will people accept that the player isn't going to get any better?


 

 

21 Jun 2017 22:14:07
Apparently we looking at Gustavo Gomez from Milan for around 7 mil. 24 yr old defender.

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13 Oct 2017 14:36:05
Some of the stuff koeman is coming out with is baffling. Blaming Europa league for us not being able to train properly. My argument to that is twofold. Firstly, we knew since May that we would be starting early and what the situation is so he should have planned better, and, secondly, he can't blame the Europa for his signings and squad selection. 3 no 10s on the pitch. No width or pace and still picking Williams are all down to him.
Thin khe needs a reality check tbh.

geoffjohno

1.) 13 Oct 2017 14:47:08
So he is basically saying that if any team he is managing is in Europe he can't manage them properly because or European football.


2.) 13 Oct 2017 16:29:46
Nice reply Dentielad.


3.) 13 Oct 2017 17:18:09
True dentie. He really is struggling atm. He just seems so stubborn and blind to what all our fans, pundits and reporters can see. We lack pace, width and we have a constant mistake waiting to happen in our defence. Without pickford we would be bottom and would have lost to stoke and Bournemouth and would probably have a worse goal difference than palace.


4.) 13 Oct 2017 21:39:36
we all know we will have 3 no. 10s, 1 Williams and a manager who will once again stand on the touchline and make a sub at half-time when we are losing.


5.) 14 Oct 2017 00:32:00
A pundit pointed out that for sandro to be productive, he needs wingers to get beyond defenders so he can get into the box. He isn't a hold up with back to the goal striker. Yet we slate him, but he isinano win situation. Klaassen needs time but also breaks into box when wingers get crosses in. That's his style. Gylfi needs to be behind striker, end of, not on wing. Rooney needs to pass the orange halves out at half time. In all honesty he is a sub at best. Overall summary, play Lookman, Vlasic or Mirallas on wings to penetrate defenders and get ball in box. And for God sake only have one Dm when at home.


6.) 14 Oct 2017 07:45:12
Somebody needs to smuggle Koeman out and put a blonde wig on Dentielad, then stick him in the dugout. I think we’ll win every game with that idea.

{Ed025's Note - i think there is only 1 guy who cant see it ace...and hes the one in charge mate..


7.) 14 Oct 2017 11:40:37
spot on Denti but as Ed025 says RK is the man in charge and while I think he is a far better manager than the last bloke we had he is also far more stubborn. I love the Dutch people (worked with them and Belgians for years) but what goes along with their innate friendliness is a stubborn streak you just cannot break.


 

 

04 Oct 2017 17:47:25
Ed2
Not about Everton but football in general. Although it has been rejected by clubs, do you think this attempt to spread the t. v. money less equal and more to the top 6 clubs as a precursor to the breakaway European super league you have talked about?
If the top 6 get more money they get more power and could force the hand of the fa and premier league into eventually allowing them to form this super leavi.

geoffjohno

{Ed002's Note - The monies involved will not stop certain English sides making the break when it happens. There are three English sides involved right now and all expect to go at some point. Offering them more mo9ney isn't going to change things - and they don't need the agreement to breakaway from the FA or the Premier League. Interestingly last year (August 2016) there were some discussions regarding any legal issues they would have to face in terms of not fulfilling contracts related to broadcasting that clubs from across Europe are bound in to by their leagues (who own the rights to sell). A good question though geoffjohno.}


1.) 04 Oct 2017 19:29:53
Similar has been happening for years in Spanish football with RM and Barcelona taking the majority of the TV money.

It's a tough situation because the 'big six' will be the attraction for the majority of overseas viewers (aside from ex-pats) , so logic dictates they are right to ask for a higher percentage. But if you give them a higher split to say 30% of total revenue between them, they'll push for an increase in the future unless they are contractually stopped from doing so. But then they'll break away anyway when they decide they want more money.

That said, we might win the league if they go.

{Ed002's Note - 30% is what they get if the money is evenly distributed. Those that breakaway will initially be limited and it is invitation only.}


2.) 04 Oct 2017 20:06:55
Sorry Ed, my maths escaped me for a minute.

Who would run that type of league? Presumably a new body would be set up?

{Ed002's Note - It would be a separate body just focused on that league and making money for those “elite” clubs involved.}


3.) 04 Oct 2017 20:20:36
Thanks ed. Whilst I'd love the fa to prevent a breakaway to preserve the integrity and perceived quality of our league. It will be fun to watch the likes of Chelsea, man utd, psg, inter, real Madrid, Barca, bayern etc playing each other week in and week out.
I just worry about what will happens to those clubs left behind financially and in terms of quality of the league's that will be left.
Also it would be great to have promotion and relegation from this super league. However, this may not happen for 2 reasons. The first because the clubs will not want to drop out of this league with all its money and 2, logistically it could be a nightmare deciding from which country or countries a club comes up to replace the bottom side or 2 sides.
Again thanks for the info ed.

{Ed002's Note - It remains very much an on-going issue with regular discussions on the matter between around 16 “elite” European clubs (including three from England) who meet to discuss a variety of issues a couple of times a year. Without going in to too much detail:
(a) A number of clubs take the opportunity to meet and discuss various issues including changes in rules, club versus country issues, television and other media rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. The meetings were annually but now they happen two and sometimes three times a year. There was a meeting in December – where there was a discussion about the state of FIFA, the situation with UEFA and a so far unpublished claim from a retired referee that the result of a Champions League game was influenced by a third party. These discussions also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions.
(b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues.
(c) The clubs would renegotiate their television and media rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc..
(d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen – which has resulted in a counter-proposal being drafted by UEFA.
(e) Timing wise, two very prominent clubs wanted it to happen as soon as possible (2018 was their plan in 2015 – not a chance) and they have the support of a third club - but most are looking at 2011 to 2025 being a good option. A few clubs are looking at 2025 to 2028 and I suspect that could end up as the reality.

There are two counter-proposals to the pan-European breakaway that have partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition again. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. This has dragged on for a year and nothing has happened. However, UEFA are now considering yet another proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support. The second major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite".

If the proposal for a breakaway goes ahead, there is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. Initially it could be that there is a single 16 team league with 2 or 3 EPL teams making the initial plunge. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league - but it won't be based on the UEFA rankings; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well - they don't want further issues but the troubles are not going to go away. I could also see many teams lose their professional status. I would think we are probably 10 years away from any significant move at this time.

I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good. Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again).

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 10 to 12 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge etc.. You will have the opportunity to visit Milan, Barcelona, Monaco, etc. every couple of weeks to watch your team play - if they make the cut. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match, perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them?

It was thought that a possible option might have resulted from a potential landmark decision that UEFA were to make in June or July - and that could facilitate the ownership of lower-tier sides by the more senior sides and then work as a feeder club. However – the need to make that decision was avoided.}


4.) 04 Oct 2017 20:51:02
Thanks Ed, hugely informative.

Would be interesting to see what impact a FIFA ban on players from breakaway league teams playing for their countries would have. You'd like to think many players would chose country over club, but I think the reality is a lot would follow the money which would be even more ridiculous than it is already.

I guess with the majority of Europe's top clubs being owned by overseas groups / individuals / states, there is no loyalty to the country of a team's origin.

God only knows what Sky would cost per month if this happens.

{Ed002's Note - The players would not care, in the most cases, about their country.}


5.) 04 Oct 2017 21:23:32
Wow. Thanks ed. Great info. This super league may well make fans have 2 favourite clubs. One at home (I. e. everton) and 1 in super league (I. e. real madrid) .
Obviously I'd love my Everton involved but think we'll be at the top end of the UK league. (May actually win something then, hahaha)

With this idea from China, do you see a world super league happening at some point in the future?

{Ed002's Note - people will continue to press for the insolvent of clubs from the Far East and the US but there is no support from the clubs involved - so not in the short to medium term.}


6.) 05 Oct 2017 09:45:16
Football does need to change and a PAN European league that contains an elite set of clubs would not necessarily be in the interests of home nations. You may find a lot of opposition to this and pressure being put on governments to hinder the clubs A European wide edict to restrict the number of foreign players allowed for example. This new league although being sort after by the elite, if not thought through and the opposition parties placated could end up being a dead fish in the water.

{Ed002's Note - It has been discussed at great length and in great detail over a number of years and has nothing to do with any "governments" or UEFA - and certainly not FIFA. UEFA want to protect themselves and are trying to offer up alternatives and have attended a number of the meetings.}


7.) 05 Oct 2017 09:45:51
Great insight ed.

On a personal note, do you think a breakaway is good for the game?

I know it'll have its pros and cons like most things, but would you be for or against it?

{Ed002's Note - I think it will be good and I am for it.}


 

 

29 Sep 2017 09:08:20
The only positive to take out of last night is the other two sides also drew. I think we need to win at least 2 of the 4 games left to progress.
I just worry for us if we keep playing slow ponderous football. Last night had very little tempo or urgency.
We need width and pace and now.

geoffjohno

{Ed025's Note - i have to say its hard for me to take any positives from last night geoff..


1.) 29 Sep 2017 09:14:44
Geoff pace and width been the big elephant in room since start of season. we have plenty but it's either on the bench or not included in squad. RK is adamant that he can get 5 central midfielders playing in same team and I hat Wayne Rooney is a centre foward. that's his problem. well that and his arrogance to admit it's won't work.


2.) 29 Sep 2017 09:18:52
Dunno ed. I'm an optimistic chap and I feel vlasic and dcl done on when came on and Baines didn't do much wrong.

I never wanna see Williams in an Everton shirt again. Sandro needs time in u23 to get goals and build confidence. Siggy needs to be 10 and play lookman and kev or vlasic. If they make mistakes that's fine as long as they are running at defences. Last night we were just too slow.

Niasse or dcl up top on Sunday or both.

{Ed025's Note - im an optimist as well geoff normally, i just have a problem at the moment understanding the direction of where we are heading mate..


3.) 29 Sep 2017 09:48:59
Completely agree. Feels like we don't have an identity. At least under martinez we knew we were going to concede loads but also score loads.
We really are missing Rom up top. I'd even take mikeal madar or brian mcbride right now.


4.) 29 Sep 2017 11:55:18
I have to say we are not good to watch, ponderous passing in our own half, a lack of movement in the midfield, no natural width or pace, surely he must see this and react this weekend.
Vlasic worth a start and maybe 2 up top Niasse and DCL?
Mirallas must also be worth game time or Lookman, time for a change because how can you expect a different result when you keep doing the same thing?


 

 

25 Sep 2017 10:14:45
I agree with most of what's said below regarding the team for Thursday.
My opinion is always back 4 (Never wanna see back 3 again with these players)
There is absolutely no reason why Davies can't be our box to box midfielder similar to Gerrard. That way him and geuye can be classed as dcm. 2 X dcm without ball and 1 (geuye) when we have possession.
Then get aome width. Pick 1 or 2 of Rooney, klassen and siggy. And get lookman or kev out wide.

definitely think until January dcl and/ or niasse need to be up top every game.

geoffjohno

1.) 25 Sep 2017 11:31:34
Seeing we didn't sign a striker to replace you know who DCL and Niasse have stepped up to the plate so far. The 2 of them are showing promise. Hope the 2 of them do get proper chances.


2.) 25 Sep 2017 17:12:40
You are spot on Geoffjohno, Said something similar last week about Davies, if you want the best of Tom Davies, he needs to be played in the middle and not out wide, early doors we have packed defence midfield and attack too close together, stopping Davies with space and his strength to run with the ball.


3.) 25 Sep 2017 19:51:11
I have to agree with everything said there boys but the problem is when Ronnie decides to play the same team and tactics over and over I don't think he will change his ways but you know me NBTB I'm not very optimistic ☺.


 

 

22 Sep 2017 10:19:50
Just wanna say good luck to our ladies side as they take on the other lot tonight as we return to the top flight again. Fully professional now and hopefully challenge at the top.

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29 Sep 2017 16:46:58
True dixie but we've got money now to pay him if required. Think we will know more closer to Christmas. If results haven't improved, or more importantly performances, then the board will have to make a change.

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29 Sep 2017 15:22:12
Ancellotti would cost nothing in compensation but may demand a lot wages and surely a young up and coming manager may be better. Someone with fresh new ideas. Eddie Howe, Lucian favre ( don't know his age) , someone obscure from Italy or France.

Who Leipzig got managing them?

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05 Sep 2017 12:40:28
He was good for me on football manager at osmanlispor. Hahaha. Don't know much about him in real life tho.

Think we should go with what we got rather than looking for freebies who may not improve the squad.

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26 Aug 2017 18:38:41
Great reply that, ed. We'd love a fully fit and enthusiastic Costa but not the current Costa.

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30 Jun 2017 16:29:51
Thing is boys, they may not be buying him back to play for them but so they can sell him for but more profit. Dunno. Maybe ed2 knows what is going on.

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13 Oct 2017 17:18:09
True dentie. He really is struggling atm. He just seems so stubborn and blind to what all our fans, pundits and reporters can see. We lack pace, width and we have a constant mistake waiting to happen in our defence. Without pickford we would be bottom and would have lost to stoke and Bournemouth and would probably have a worse goal difference than palace.

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04 Oct 2017 21:23:32
Wow. Thanks ed. Great info. This super league may well make fans have 2 favourite clubs. One at home (I. e. everton) and 1 in super league (I. e. real madrid) .
Obviously I'd love my Everton involved but think we'll be at the top end of the UK league. (May actually win something then, hahaha)

With this idea from China, do you see a world super league happening at some point in the future?

geoffjohno

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04 Oct 2017 20:20:36
Thanks ed. Whilst I'd love the fa to prevent a breakaway to preserve the integrity and perceived quality of our league. It will be fun to watch the likes of Chelsea, man utd, psg, inter, real Madrid, Barca, bayern etc playing each other week in and week out.
I just worry about what will happens to those clubs left behind financially and in terms of quality of the league's that will be left.
Also it would be great to have promotion and relegation from this super league. However, this may not happen for 2 reasons. The first because the clubs will not want to drop out of this league with all its money and 2, logistically it could be a nightmare deciding from which country or countries a club comes up to replace the bottom side or 2 sides.
Again thanks for the info ed.

geoffjohno

{Ed002's Note - It remains very much an on-going issue with regular discussions on the matter between around 16 “elite” European clubs (including three from England) who meet to discuss a variety of issues a couple of times a year. Without going in to too much detail:
(a) A number of clubs take the opportunity to meet and discuss various issues including changes in rules, club versus country issues, television and other media rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. The meetings were annually but now they happen two and sometimes three times a year. There was a meeting in December – where there was a discussion about the state of FIFA, the situation with UEFA and a so far unpublished claim from a retired referee that the result of a Champions League game was influenced by a third party. These discussions also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions.
(b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues.
(c) The clubs would renegotiate their television and media rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc..
(d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen – which has resulted in a counter-proposal being drafted by UEFA.
(e) Timing wise, two very prominent clubs wanted it to happen as soon as possible (2018 was their plan in 2015 – not a chance) and they have the support of a third club - but most are looking at 2011 to 2025 being a good option. A few clubs are looking at 2025 to 2028 and I suspect that could end up as the reality.

There are two counter-proposals to the pan-European breakaway that have partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition again. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. This has dragged on for a year and nothing has happened. However, UEFA are now considering yet another proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support. The second major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite".

If the proposal for a breakaway goes ahead, there is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. Initially it could be that there is a single 16 team league with 2 or 3 EPL teams making the initial plunge. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league - but it won't be based on the UEFA rankings; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well - they don't want further issues but the troubles are not going to go away. I could also see many teams lose their professional status. I would think we are probably 10 years away from any significant move at this time.

I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good. Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again).

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 10 to 12 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge etc.. You will have the opportunity to visit Milan, Barcelona, Monaco, etc. every couple of weeks to watch your team play - if they make the cut. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match, perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them?

It was thought that a possible option might have resulted from a potential landmark decision that UEFA were to make in June or July - and that could facilitate the ownership of lower-tier sides by the more senior sides and then work as a feeder club. However – the need to make that decision was avoided.}


 

 

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02 Oct 2017 17:30:48
It's probably a good job he's not on here much atm. He wouldn't be able to cope with us all moaning about the manager and team.

Think he is Austin powers or Gianni infantino.

geoffjohno

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29 Sep 2017 11:39:32
I'd take that team Tommy. Maybe lookman over mirallas if kevs head is not right.

geoffjohno