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28 Apr 2018 11:21:32
A lot of speculation about Allardyce and of course a lot of positive talk from him about him staying next season and his positive review with Moshiri. I am not panicking yet since at this stage if I was Moshiri I would want to hear what plans Sam has to improve the side and get us playing more attractive and winning football. I believe that Sam is reading more into this and that Moshiri is still weighing his options. Hopefully Moshiri has a top manager lined up for next season.
Regardless of wether Sam stays or not the most important position that needs addressing IMHO is the one Walsh presently occupies. Our recruitment over the last two years has been a disaster. I am not saying that we have not brought in some good players but we have brought in a lot who play in the same position, a lot we just do not play at all, ones who are just not good enough and we have failed to address some of the glaring needs that even us stupid supporters can identify. I know that the managers are partly to blame also but Walsh was brought in to provide guidance and he has failed. The buck stops at the top and he needs to be replaced and now.
Having been a supporter of this club for 72 years I believe that this is a pivotal year in our history. If Moshiri fails to act I have serious doubts about our ability to progress further than what we are now, a mid-table side at best.
1.) 28 Apr 2018 11:53:09
No one listens to us old sods mate, lol, but i do think Sam is not the only problem at our club, do you think he will go for a draw? again? a BIG yes.
2.) 28 Apr 2018 12:02:54
It's not inconceivable that Moshiri has asked Walsh and Sam to go to london to present him with their visions for next season so he can assess their suitability to take us forward next season.
A bit like a job interview for next season.
Moshiri can then size that up against any other options he may have for their roles.
It would make sense then to have the board meeting the day after.
14 Apr 2018 19:19:18
After supporting and watching Everton for 72 years I hate to admit that I enjoy watching almost any other team playing including Liverpool. We have to be the most boring team in the premiership. No passion, no desire, no interest, no talent, no plan, no strategy, no anything unless getting a point from the likes of Swansea is a plan. I know that it is important to retain our position in the top flight (just look at Leeds) but this is an entertainment business, their has to be some balance between the two needs. Moshiri has to make changes otherwise I fear for our future, lose the supporters and the way back is going to be difficult. The fact that we are now second best to Burnley who are now best of the rest, says it all.
1.) 14 Apr 2018 19:33:29
I feel exactly the same Mike. Don't see any identity what so ever. I miss overlapping full backs and forward runs from midfield to support the striker. One can wish.
13 Apr 2018 12:48:26
Dear Tony,
As you haver seen from the many posts your Dad Grumpy was a great friend of many on here. Yes we did have our minor differences but all, especially your Dad, are fervent Evertonians. Some of us were born to be Evertonians, my Dad took me to my first game When I was six, one year after came home from the war as a soldier. Others of us for, whatever reason, ended up supporting Everton rather than some other team
Talking about those days your Dad was 75, I am 78 so we are both war babies, born at a difficult time for our parents who had no idea whether we would end up being overrun by the Germans or beating the crap out of them. Football at that time was the furthest from anyones mind. However the war had one positive aspect in that banter between football supporters was much more friendly, never nasty but just good old fashioned banter. Your Dad had very definite opinions and he made sure we all knew what they were but I did not need to be told what age he was, nor the era he came from, he was a gentleman.
All of us are united in our passion for Football and most but not all, are passionate Evertonians even one of the Ed's. Non of us knows details of any other member of this forum and rightly so. However your Dad, Grumpy was such an integral part of our daily life as an Everton supporter I would hate for him to leave without knowing little of his past. We don't need to know personal details but were he was born for example, how he became an Evertonian, his first game and so on. I know you are grieving right now and busy with personal thinks but sometime in the future if you could give us a little background on your Dad it would be appreciated.
Mike a friend of your Dad's.
08 Apr 2018 12:09:26
I missed the derby match live because I chose to play golf. I watched the game last night and was glad I played golf. How any supporter can defend this dross is beyond me. We used to be best of the rest, now we are not as good as Burnley. We are only 9th because there are so many poor teams. The gulf between us and the top teams is more massive than it has ever been.
On commentator stated that Everton seemed to lack energy. I would say it is more like lethargy (lack of energy and enthusiasm) . Against the top team we have no game plan apart from booting the ball up field. We lose possession on a regular basis and have very little enthusiasm to get it back. We are constantly overrun in mid-field and our attacking runs are limited to say the least.
Then we have the final 15 minutes. What happens, is a switch all of a sudden turned on? It just shows what we are capable of doing but we have to ask why it is not like that for 90 minutes?
We have a lot to do to get back to even being best of the rest and a new manager is a must and the sooner the better. We need a manager who can motivate the players to replicate the final 15 minutes for the whole game.
1.) 08 Apr 2018 13:35:40
So I take it you are not happy with a draw?
They were playing with 12 of the 19 players who beat City 3 - 0. I hate saying this but Liverpool are in free flow at the moment and as such we should be over the moon we got something from the game. Many a team have tried to play attacking football against them only to get hammered and punished on the counter attack.
Against these top sides (and they are a top side) we need to do what we can to stifle their play, if that means it's boring to look at then that's tough. I would be happy taking a point from all of the top teams, I certainly would not say we are rubbish because we did not win.
Be happy we stopped those across the park from doing the double over us, Non of us would of expected a win or a draw during the week, certainly the bookies didn't. They have amongst others slated us all season saying how crap we are yet they can only manage a draw. let's all shout at them about that instead of saying we are so bad we only got a draw against Liverpool.
2.) 08 Apr 2018 13:37:35
I agree with you Mike except we have a game plan. It's don't lose
We used the same plan against West Brom and made them look good. We used it against Arsenal, Man UTD and Man City and got stuffed. We used it at Burnley. We use it every game because that's all Sam knows.
I think we (our players) go into every game with the least expectations of any other Premier club. It's 10 men behind the ball, get one chance if we are lucky and god help the player if he misses it because they will be Sam's scapegoat at the final whistle.
3.) 08 Apr 2018 13:49:26
good post Mike Sam in his press conference the day before said his tactics will be to stop Liverpool scoring and it's terrible to watch I can't wait for the season to end so we can release Sam and get a manager in who knows how to play football let's hope we have learnt from our mistakes.
4.) 08 Apr 2018 14:15:30
Sorry Grumpy, just can't agree with you. Our football was terrible for 75 minutes, just not good enough. We need to be entertained and we were not. If you are happy with this dross good for you but I am not.
5.) 08 Apr 2018 14:28:32
We cannot be accepting mediocrity. A draw at home against our neighbours is never good enough.
If they had fielded a full strength squad and played us off the park for 90 minutes then some people may have an argument for accepting a draw.
We will not have a better opportunity to beat them for quite a while I suspect and we should have taken it.
6.) 08 Apr 2018 14:37:32
Right now there is no joy in watching Everton. I might just might be able to swallow that. It's the fact that there is precious little prospect of joy that depresses me.
7.) 08 Apr 2018 15:00:45
Sometimes Mike we have to do what is best with the tools we have. Now in this case regardless of how pretty it looked we did better than any of us could of wished for.
What the last 15 minutes does actually hi-lite is that our players are capable of turning it on when it suits them, why is that? They were dross with RK, DU, SA. If the players have decided it is them that hold the power and we are willing to accept that, then as a club we are doomed mate, simple as that. Did SA do anything to make those players suddenly start performing and playing like they should do in every game? No, the players themselves decided to do it. They played the exact same tactics as given to them, they just decided to up the tempo.
8.) 08 Apr 2018 16:09:29
Actually Sam made some substitutions that affected the game. He brought on the younger enthusiastic and faster kids. It very nearly paid off. I am not sure if they were on for the whole game whether we would have been able to play the whole game in that manner? I am not a professional manager like the rest of our supporters. (sarcasm lads) . laugh!
9.) 08 Apr 2018 16:10:59
What it shows is the players will not play for this manager. Of course players have the power over the manager, this is not a new phenomena.
When the game started paying the players more than the managers, that is when the players started to have the control. Like it or not it is the way it is now. They will get a manager sacked without even blinking if they don't believe in him.
Maybe they are just sick of being called out in interviews, playing defensive rubbish, embarrassed by the amount of possesion they have in matches. Sick of making excuses for the lack of chances they have because of the tactics, and have downed tools. Who knows. But I surely would be.
10.) 08 Apr 2018 16:34:37
The change happened when DCL came on and Yannick came off. He put a few good tackles in and made the left side for us better with the ball.
Grumpy there is no excuse for Sam's tactics. It's not based on 20 odd games with us. He's always had teams play like this. It's also fine for him to prefer playing like that. However, for us that is not what I want or expect. Why don't you want Everton to play better football and why can't you understand why we do?
11.) 08 Apr 2018 16:42:07
The problem with it Smit mate is when the players have 3 managers sacked then something is wrong. It looks certain SA will be the third, Not all 3 managers were the same in interviews, in fact I would say they were all different from each other. I'm just a little worried that these players may not like the next one we get or the one after.
If this had only happened with our present manager then I would have no choice but to agree that it is 100% the manager. Nobody will agree with that as people see that as supporting SA but I am only saying it as I see it.
players not playing well for a manager = Fault of manager.
Players not playing well for 3 managers = Something very wrong.
{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that grumpy..
12.) 08 Apr 2018 17:06:15
I just can't agree. Who picks the players to sign? (OK maybe with Walsh) . Who trains the players? Who picks the team? Who dictates the strategy. Are you telling me that if Pip was manager he would end up being fired?
13.) 08 Apr 2018 17:20:29
I don't actually recall EVER saying I do not want Everton to play better football BJU. Would you be so kind as to show me where I have as I must be doing it in my sleep. I'm at the doctors this week so I will mention it to him.
14.) 08 Apr 2018 17:27:49
Hope the Doctor gives you a clean bill of health Grumpy.
15.) 08 Apr 2018 17:33:25
My assumption Grumpy is in the fact you seem steadfast in supporting Sam and the football we are producing. Additionally, you've now become expectant in not even getting a draw against our neighbours and yet want to defend the football that produces those results.
If I was you I'd forget the doctors and think about a trip to the opticians!
16.) 08 Apr 2018 18:13:38
I missed the game BlueMike because at the last minute I had no choice. You chose to miss the game to play Golf. Your choice.
17.) 08 Apr 2018 18:29:06
The players didn't down tools for Koeman. He just introduced too many out of position and not up to speed players. The only players which have downed tools for most of the season are schneids and possibly Williams.
18.) 08 Apr 2018 18:38:21
I'd agree with that Smit. Add to the fact our confidence had taken a knock due to the fixtures earlier in the season.
01 Apr 2018 16:15:59
I guess that I have to agree with Ed002 although I would call the supporters "frustrated" rather than "toxic". In my day the old lady rocked, of course the attendance was normally much higher and the football was much better regardless of whether we were winning or not.
City of course have better players but they also play as a team (which we do not) . They keep possession (which we do not) . The players run into free space so that the player with the ball has options (ours do not) . When they do not have the ball their players make every effort to get the ball back (ours just back off) . Pep has them playing to a system which involves triangular moves between players (if ours have a system it is boot the ball up field as soon as we are under any pressure) .
If we could put Pep in charge of our existing squad without any additions or reductions in staff and put Big Sam as manager of City with the same restrictions does any one believe that in the fixtures next year we would see the same display. We have players who were good with their last clubs and Pep would have them playing like a team. They might not be good enough to win anything but I would bet that they would be entertaining and a lot better than we are at present.
Obviously there are not many Pep's around but their must be better ones than Big Sam. I want to see Goodison rocking again so please Moshiri get us in a Manager that will make us proud again.
1.) 01 Apr 2018 18:30:29
We have been for a long time in the so called 'second division' of the premiership that accepted, my problem with the management and some of the players this and last season is the towel seems to get thrown in very quickly . even before a knockout blow has been received!
What the fans want is endeavour and that seems to have been lost in the wind that blows towards the Bramley Moore Dock, bring back some blood and guts and fight for every ball, a few showed that yesterday Jags, Coleman but they were overshadowed by the average and below .
We need a young manager with ideas this is so Bolton c2000’s . I’m not being toxic. but never mind City being so good . as they are . we didn’t compete that's the problem.
{Ed025's Note - very much so jonno..
18 May 2018 12:14:21
Not sure why it would take a couple of weeks. Silva has been out of work and the club must have known Sam was leaving. Let's get it done and the team working on recruitment.
17 Apr 2018 16:33:00
Great information Ed002 as usual. I would suspect Walsh would be leaving regardless of Brands coming or not. He must be aware of the situation and know his time is limited. I am surprised that Moshiri does not have a Plan B. What do you think?
{Ed002's Note - They will take their time. Not a thing to be rushed.}
12 Apr 2018 21:29:08
Lance, Any info on Walsh?
04 Apr 2018 20:54:03
Well Walsh might well end up as head scout, why not? He would not necessarily get a pay reduction and he is well compensated.
01 Apr 2018 13:55:13
I give up if you thought Schniederlin put in more tackles than the rest. The rest were not very good but Schneiderlin was woeful. For the first two goals he was way behind the City players and for the rest of the time he just wandered around the pitch at half pace.
24 Feb 2020 12:51:23
Yes we should have won but we didn't. The problem is the midfield, no threat going forward and no help in defense for 75% of the game. I would bring Kenny back and if we sign Sidibe play him in midfield. The major problem for the summer is that we will not have much money to spend on new players.
12 Jun 2018 11:24:31
If Everton went any of their players they should negotiate a fee. Waiting until the court case is not beneficial to any of the parties.
11 Jun 2018 01:53:40
Welcome Tony. Your Dad was born about the same time as myself. It was always great to debate all things Everton with him. He is missed by all us old farts,
Mike.
04 May 2018 05:52:58
I think a lot of Evertonians come from a mixed marriage. My Mother's side are Red and my father's Blue. For my late Mother I hope Liverpool crush them.
02 May 2018 10:44:01
We will not be a top six club until we can win against the top clubs. Our record against them is dismal and will only continue that way under Allardyce.