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19 Feb 2018 17:56:40
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18 Feb 2018 14:48:43
Rhino for Fleetwood job.
Really strong rumours from people up here.
Theres even talk that they've met up this morning.

Believable1 0Unbelievable

18 Feb 2018 19:42:16
Good luck to him if he gets it, will help him in the long run good guy.

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11 Feb 2018 11:33:39
Good to see some positive posts on here, Posts that actually encourage participation instead of the constant moaning and false information that has become the "norm" on here as of late.

Did anyone else notice a big change in Pickford yesterday? He seemed a lot more aggressive in his saves, he was no longer happy just parrying the ball with his saves he was determined to clear the ball away from the danger area, every save he made he was pushing the ball away, good keeping in my book.

Yesterday showed why SA is a manager and we are not. Had some of you been listened to then Martina would no longer be with us nor would Sigi, Theo would not of been signed, Rooney would of been dropped and been retired off. Sometimes in life we all make stupid demands but that does not make us stupid people, what does make us stupid is when we continuously make those stupid demands.

Since SA has taken over we have only conceded 6 goals at home, 2 of those have been penalties, that is a massive improvement over both DU and RK, in fact over the same time span SA has more than doubled the average points per game (home and away) than RK. Now you can hit me with a bat and a rusty nail if that is not an improvement.

A lot of you have all of a sudden over the last week, been saying how much you supported SA when he first joined, Now I know I'm an old grumpy git but my memory is not that bad, The sheer malice has been here from the day he signed, many if not most have never supported him in the slightest. Some of you in fairness have given him a chance but for every positive post they make it tends to get drowned out by so many negative posts that trawling through them becomes tedious.

It has never been a secret that I have supported SA from the very beginning nor is it a secret that I will continue to support him until he gets replaced, He is our manager and will remain so until the powers that be decide otherwise. The fact that I do support does not mean that he was my first choice nor does it mean that I feel he is our long term solution but I do think he is the right choice for stabilising the club and getting it ready for a better manager to take over in the future. That is going to take at the very least another season. It may not pleasant but neither are most medicines.

I had decided in my in-formate wisdom not to post here again for the rest of the season and to only show up in live chat (which really is good, more of you should pop in on match days we always have some great debates) . Smit666 and GB have convinced me to return here and I would like to thank both of them for doing so. Now you all know who to blame for my return.

Believable7 34Unbelievable

11 Feb 2018 12:05:38
Hi Grumpy mate agree with you there 100% your post above sums us up to a tee, we have to get behind whoever is in charge and give em our total support, if Big Sam is moved on in the summer and Mr Moshiri brings in Fonesca or whoever then we will get behind them the same, We are Everton and we are better than a lot of posters on here try to make us, great to have you on here mate good posts as always KEEP IT UP, cheers.

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11 Feb 2018 12:39:58
Thanks GB mate.

My take on it is if we support Everton then MUST include everyone from the owners to the toffee lady, From the stewards to the tea ladies, Form EITC to all of the back room staff. We may not like the tea the tea lady makes, but we will make do until another comes along and in the mean time we will support her, Why? because she is part of Everton.

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11 Feb 2018 12:54:47
Easy post after a good result and decent showing mate. I know what your saying, yes we need to show support to the whole club. But a lot of the things said on here are people letting off steam after abysmal displays which you can't blame them for. Plus people theorise what's gone wrong what could be better, there is no problem with that as that is our perogative as fans and is part of this site. This is a site were people can voice there opinions and negative opinions are opinions. I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others.

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11 Feb 2018 12:56:23
LOL WHAT
i swear to god i saw these same type of posts after the leeicester win yet after we got mauled at arsenal everyone turned the heat back on
one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season.

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11 Feb 2018 13:00:03
You are right there mate, put money on tho you will get some thumbs down lol.

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11 Feb 2018 13:17:16
BlueTit mate, can you not see the irony in what you said, " I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others. " yet it seems acceptable to push the negativity onto others. the current trend seems to be to accept negativity and not to be positive.

Evertonthings you are right " one game doesn't cover up for what's been happening this whole season " and the key here is that is has been happening all season (your words not mine) , The problems we have were already here before SA joined us. Facts do not lie, at home we are far better under SA than we were under both RK and DU for the same amount of games. So I am sure that even the most ardent SA hater will have to agree that we are 50% there.

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11 Feb 2018 13:52:40
Of course they were here Grumpy mate before Big Sam ever set foot in the doors of Everton, some posters just will not grasp and accept it shame really, but you know the old saying the truth always hurts mate.

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11 Feb 2018 15:33:26
Opinions are opinions, posters are posters, eds are eds and we are all blues. Nothing will change and I love the input on here from everyone whether I think it is right or wrong. These posts make me think in other ways sometimes and I like that.
Welcome back Grumpy.

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11 Feb 2018 15:45:57
Thanks Smit mate you are exactly right. There are no right or wrong opinions but there are many that are different to how we perceive things.

None of my posts are intended to upset others, but I do try and give an alternative view on things and will always try and get people to think outside the box a little.

The biggest change in the club that has happened is the fan base, maybe it is time for us old farts to move aside, because sadly we do not really fit in anymore.

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11 Feb 2018 15:50:41
Too right mate good banter is good for everyone.

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11 Feb 2018 17:59:55
You will always got in grumpy.

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11 Feb 2018 19:20:19
You know I disagree with you Grumpy mate, but I love your post, it would be boring if we all think the same.

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11 Feb 2018 19:25:17
opinions are the best thing mate.

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11 Feb 2018 20:46:38
Cheers Stig mate, missed you in live chat yesterday, hope all is well your end mate.

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11 Feb 2018 22:13:53
Brilliant original post Grumpy. Totally agree with everything you said.

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12 Feb 2018 10:47:12
Thanks NBTB mate.

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12 Feb 2018 12:15:10
Honestley mate, I see no irony whatsoever in what i said.

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12 Feb 2018 15:50:25
Sorry Blue-tit mate you're right I meant hypocrisy, no idea why I said irony sorry.

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13 Feb 2018 07:42:49
Grumpy you keep mentioning about "preparing the club for a better manager. What is it you mean by this exactly? Do you think all clubs should use a prep manager? because when most clubs sack a manager it's because things aren't going well so is everyone else missing a trick in not using a prep manager to get the club ready to appoint a good manager?

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13 Feb 2018 09:42:37
Lets not be pedantic Toffeewavey you Know exactly what I mean.

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13 Feb 2018 15:27:27
Nor do i see any hypocrisy.

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13 Feb 2018 17:11:55
Let me explain.

You seem to find it ok to put negative views regarding SA onto people yet at the same time tell people who are putting positives views onto people they are wrong for doing it.

That Sir is hypocrisy.

" I like and admire the positivity but you can't push that onto others. " (your words mate not mine)

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13 Feb 2018 17:43:14
Grumpy I think you are fighting a losing battle on this one, but I completely agree with you. Everton fans are a fickle bunch.
We had a manager that loved to play attacking football so much so that he never closed a game out in Martinez, the fans moaned and we got rid.
We then got in a "Future Barcelona" manager and that turned to crap.
Now we have a manager that is practical, and taken us from bottom 3 to 2 points from 7th and that is not good enough.
I just wish fans would make up their minds what they want.

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13 Feb 2018 18:57:20
I think you're right Sidneytheblue I am fighting an un - winnable battle but I have enjoyed the fight.

Got to think of something for next week now mate.

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13 Feb 2018 22:43:14
I didn't push negative views onto anybody. I just made a comment and your being pissy about it because its wasnt fully agreeing with your opinion. that's sir is being a pretentous srcastic little boy (or girl) .

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14 Feb 2018 08:59:23
Here we go.

Blue-tit here is another fact for you. When any kind of debate reaches the stage that one of the parties strays away from the original subject matter and resorts to personal attacks, that person has run out of anything constructive to say.

Debate is now closed for me.

{Ed025's Note - good idea..

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17 Feb 2018 13:17:15
My original post was made in soft manner. You called me hypocrtitical in a pretentious manner. I called that out. You were being 'pissy' I called it out. You can't be abraisive and act like the response is out of turn. Now, its closed for me.

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17 Feb 2018 17:31:20
It's like being back in the school playground on here sometimes. 🙃😋.

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11 Feb 2018 10:04:28
Hi ed002 in the summer could are Everton considering Fonseca and Chelsea doing the same with Marco Silva thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any recent approach from Everton to Shakhtar for PF but he was the coach originally advised to Moshiri.}

Believable0 0Unbelievable

11 Feb 2018 13:05:53
Cheers ed our club is a mess behind the scenes with the board divided into two sides and it’s affecting the club right the way through it it’s not good.

{Ed002's Note - I don’t know what you mean.}

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11 Feb 2018 13:25:32
Bill and farhad are let’s say in a tug of war and there people are not talking between them sleeves and each side haven’t got a clue what’s been said to let’s say a players agent.

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11 Feb 2018 14:41:23
The truth is that big Sam has taken on average 1.5 points a game since being announced (inc the West Ham game) , on this form had he been in charge from the start of the season we would be 7th 3 points behind Arsenal! He’s exactly what we need right now and poor football or not we’re harder to beat and winning the games we should be with the odd exception. Under RK and DU we took 1.08 points per game, Based on that we’d be 2 points at best from the bottom 3! Support Sam, support the team and save the moaning for when it’s really needed!

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11 Feb 2018 15:39:28
Are you on the board eddy?

{Ed002's Note - You understood what he meant then? Are your people talking to his people. And this agent?}

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11 Feb 2018 16:00:17
Good post Toffeehead.

I thought RK and DU was o.68 points average per game but I am more than happy to accept your figures.

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11 Feb 2018 16:43:55
Not a clue ed! But it sounds like he personally knows bill and farhad and there both confiding in him that there not talking to eachother and he must no an agent or two who are telling him that bill says one thing and farhad says another?!?!?!

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11 Feb 2018 19:11:17
Hey GT happy to admit the 1.08 is an error, they got 12 points from 13, with Sam we have 22 from 14!

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12 Feb 2018 19:15:41
so let me get this right eddy has a view about what's happening in our club and I have also heard the same thing when Sam was being looked at (Walsh wanted him Moshiri didnt) which I'm sure was mentioned on this very site and now he has brought it up people want to have a little dig at him how pathetic.

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12 Feb 2018 22:06:03
It's nothing Bluey79 compared to the digs people get if they have any positive opinions regarding SA. Not nice is it?

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11 Feb 2018 00:17:12
3 our of the next 4 games away, don’t get carried away with this 7th place talk. We’re rubbish away, However if SA plays attacking footballs we’ll have a chance. Try parking the bus we’re dead in the water. Are you listening SAM?

Believable2 7Unbelievable

11 Feb 2018 14:18:01
actually, our fixtures away aren't that difficult, watford have just come back off a defeat, i think we have good chances to get at least a draw there, burnley have really stagnated for some reason and i can actually see us getting a win there, brighton at home should be a win, and stoke again are really struggling, especially considering that paul lambert has typically had a poor home record with the clubs he's managed because of his counter attacking style of football (i think it was at villa where i got this stat, my memory might be wrong and quite frankly i'm too lazy to look it up, if i'm wrong then please point it out) all in all i'd say the next few games are quite good for us.

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11 Feb 2018 14:27:21
just for fun i'll be predicting our results for the fixtures after that
we should lose against man city, i think we might nick something from liverpool (not sure if its a win or not) , i think swansea will beat us, i can't really see us beating newcastle at home because i just don't think sam is good enough of a manager to break down a defence set up by rafa benetiz even with a squad with inferior talent such as newcastle, huddersfield, ehh, they'll probably be fighting for their lives so i'll say we lose there, southampton should already be relegated by then so i think we'll win at home against them and a draw at west ham.

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11 Feb 2018 16:10:15
Some good forecasts Evertonthings.

Sadly I have to disagree with the Liverpool one I think they will beat us, I do think it will be a very tight game and would be happy if we drew. 0 - 0 or 0 - 1 against Huddersfield.

I think a lot of results will be dependant on how we fare against Watford and Burnley. If we win those two games it will alter the rest of the season for us and how we play, the most important thing is we keep clean sheets in open play.

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11 Feb 2018 00:12:36
So now press saying we're in for Fonseca. another change? Ed002 any info? This scattergun approach is diabolical, that's unless there's a plan. I'd prefer stability, a plan with the right people in the right jobs making sensible decisions. For Everton to make progress it's going to take some time. we're miles and miles behind yet we seem to be going backwards with the current approach.

Believable0 5Unbelievable

11 Feb 2018 09:14:24
So you would stick with Big Sam then mate, no chance.

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11 Feb 2018 09:57:00
They have to fill the papers with something boys. Wouldn’t pay too much attention to rumours of new managers. Sam is already planning for next season! We wouldn’t have been happy if he’d played open, expansive football and got us relegated. In a tight league, he’s managed the fixtures and it’s worked. We all had higher expectations for the season but the bad start never gave us a chance. Get the youngsters back in, work out who can go (Martina, Williams. ) and who we need to have the squad to push on next season.

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07 Feb 2018 20:42:05
Glenn Hoddle for DoF anybody. The bloke knows his stuff.

Believable13 6Unbelievable

07 Feb 2018 22:06:18
I think Hoddle would be a great shout! Can you have a word with him.

{Ed002's Note - he would but he is not an option.}

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07 Feb 2018 23:34:39
Ed002: Why?

{Ed002's Note - He has no interest and is concentrating his efforts on somethhing else outside of England.}

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08 Feb 2018 10:11:16
Ed002: thanks for the info.

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08 Feb 2018 10:24:22
He got his soccer academy. Think it's in Spain? One of his graduates pla6ed for Newport last night.

{Ed002's Note - Right.}

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08 Feb 2018 11:18:59
at this moment i'd take him as manager.

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08 Feb 2018 22:01:37
at this minute I would take ED01 as our manager.

{Ed001's Note - thanks, I think.}

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09 Feb 2018 12:08:29
and Ed002 as DOF, what a combination.

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11 Feb 2018 10:06:57
Can we have a think about that one? Think Ed002 would make Peter Jonson look like an Evertonian.

{Ed002's Note - Fonseca would be a good option and as I explained before he was the advise Moshiri was given originally. I am not aware of any recent approach by Everton to Shakhtar.}

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11 Feb 2018 14:18:55
Totally agree and i think Fonseca a great option. If we can't get him i'd still be happy with Silva though.
We need someone young, progressive and wanting to make a name and build a dymasty.
Not a Sam Allardyce who wants to increase his bank balance.

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07 Feb 2018 00:55:42
We've enquired about Evra LB.
Hes NOT banned for PL games only European
However West Ham United also interested.

Believable1 1Unbelievable

07 Feb 2018 01:08:05
It’s come to this?

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07 Feb 2018 03:22:58
Hopefully West Ham sign him.

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07 Feb 2018 06:45:47
He prefers London not sure why t hey want a LB though they have Cresswell and the spitter.

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07 Feb 2018 19:46:34
So manno you would prefer Martina?

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07 Feb 2018 21:13:17
Eds say that the Club does read these HYS. It is not mere coincidence that after a few comments yesterday with regards to Evra and what our current DoF is doing, stories surfaced that Everton was also interested in him (Evra) . Then there is the other titbit that Mr Walsh is being sent to Germany to keep tabs on Lookman. A personal opinion only but why springs to mind, after Mr Walshes record since being appointed DoF!

{Ed025's Note - i can only guess mate..

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07 Feb 2018 23:24:02
Sorry wakka. While I am not overly happy with Martina, I would prefer him over Evra. I would have preferred Garbutt and Galloway to be given the opportunity to fight it out, the competition between the two may have brought out the best in both players, but we will never know. Big Sam is too scared to experiment too much, and I can not blame him for that. He was hired to keep us in the PL, nothing more and nothing less.

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08 Feb 2018 08:31:45
Not sure what has happened to Garbutt a couple of seasons ago he looked good in Europa matches? but Galloway is not good enough for me.

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10 Feb 2018 18:47:46
Big Sam afraid to experiment too much? From what i have seen he experiments and changes the team every game. No consistency whatsoeve. That i believe is why we are so hit and miss (mainly miss) this season.

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11 Feb 2018 02:02:25
Noooo. Weve been linked in the press with Fonseca since Koeman went. I believe we approached him but his CL involvement scuppered that.
He has stated himself that the PL interests him. let's get it done and get it done early. he's young, likes attacking football, could well lay down a dynasty here and his attributes as a coach has been acknowledged by Guadiola himself.
Just do it!

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11 Feb 2018 10:10:17
There is an obsession with 'anyone but Martina'. He has had some poor games but also some good ones - yesterday being one of them.
People who have never seen Garbutt play - or at least not in years - shouting for him. He hardly got picked at Fulham. Ditto Galloway at both WBA and Sunderland. Do you think all these people get it wrong but they be great in an Everton shirt?

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11 Feb 2018 13:20:14
Dave1878: you make a good point, mate.

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05 Feb 2018 17:13:04
Ed 002 (especially) , please don't castigate me too greatly for speculating baselessly, but given what you all know of the mindset of the board and the key players, is there any possibility being given to dispensing with Allardyce and moving on Silva now, as opposed to the summer? (if indeed Silva remains well thought of) .

{Ed002's Note - To the best of my knowledge the board are not looking to move SA and CS on at this time. As for Marco Silva, he is speaking to another English side right now so I would not hold your breath.}

Believable0 0Unbelievable

05 Feb 2018 19:07:52
I don’t want Silva. He either got totally distracted by our interest or he completely lost the plot. Either way there’s something not right there.

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05 Feb 2018 20:03:40
Ed002.I have heard that SA is astonished at the mental strength of our first team, which requires addressing but surely the recruitment/ management of the purchases is a huge issue. Is to your knowledge Steve Welshe's position under review in anyway as he clearly is no DOF?

{Ed002's Note - Honestly, I keep having to answer the same questions over and over - please read the posts, use the search engine.}

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05 Feb 2018 22:19:20
Equally cursed and blessed then. Cheers Ed002, much obliged.

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05 Feb 2018 14:24:58
i know i picked fonseca, sarri or gallardo as my top 3 managers before but how about arteta? a lot of good things getting talked about him being a top coach.

Believable4 4Unbelievable

05 Feb 2018 16:13:50
Someone who knows the club snd is respected in the me. If Guardiola rates him as a coach, we could expect some classy football - not like the shower of s we’re watching now. Why not I say.

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05 Feb 2018 16:45:06
not for me we need someone who has managed at the top level.

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05 Feb 2018 19:11:00
I like the idea of Arteta. There’s definitely something about him for PG to use him. I’d be very interested to see what he could do if he came back as coach/ manager.

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05 Feb 2018 20:14:40
Im sure i read the other day that Man City blocked him from joining the Welsh national team as coach, as he is thought of very highly as a coach.

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05 Feb 2018 21:05:23
I think arteta could be a successful manager at a high level in the future, it is possible. POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE, being the most important words.

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06 Feb 2018 09:30:32
Arteta was a great player during his time for us, I can't question that. I do wonder why he is still lauded by a section of our fans for the way he dumped on us from a great height when he moved on. This was the man who wanted us to break the bank, back in those days of abject austerity, a man who took a pay cut to get his move.

A man who turned Arsenal down at tea time only to change his mind with an hour or two to spare on deadline day, giving us no chance of finding a replacement.
As much as I liked the player, I have lost respect for the man.

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06 Feb 2018 14:36:58
i don't think you can lose respect for a man who gave his all for us then a good career move came his way and he took it mate i think taking the pay cut is a reason to respect him he moved purely for football reasons and not financial gain.

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06 Feb 2018 16:37:19
It was more the way he went about things to be honest johny1989, he held us to ransom for a while over a new deal which would have smashed our wage structure at the time. So to take a pay cut in the 11th hour giving us no time to replace him is a bit naughty imo. It just goes to show how fickle fans can be. Rooney left to win trophies but was castigated for many years, Arteta does it and there is nothing really said!

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08 Feb 2018 18:36:54
I can't believe we loan out Lookman, what is sam doing ed? Can anyone not see that the future front 4 is Lookman, Henry oyenkuru, sigurson, an Walcott up centre dash that is a scary line up you can play 2 holding midfielders with them 4 as well, pace, direct, power, and goals from all of them. What do you think? .

{Ed025's Note - i think your right don, sooner we get shut of this clown the better mate..

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05 Feb 2018 01:26:29
Much as we love playing in European football - and however unlikely we are to scrape into the Europa League - surely we can do without the burden of pre-season qualifiers and Thursday night football next season? It's clearly ruined us this season.
:- (.

Believable8 2Unbelievable

05 Feb 2018 10:30:41
A decent break and a good pr-season without having to worry about qualifying for the Europa League would undoubtedly be beneficial for the lads BobbyC, but there are other reasons why they have been so poor this season. The main ones are some of the players simply haven't been good enough and the tactics have, for the most part, been awful. We as fans can see what/ where the problems are. The pundits on TV and in the press can see them too. But for some inexplicable reason the club/ management appear to be blinkered. Playing in Europe can be taxing, but that's no excuse for the dross we have to watch week in/ out.

{Ed025's Note - i have to agree BigH..

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05 Feb 2018 12:31:15
Best post I have seen for a long time, agree completely.

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05 Feb 2018 12:47:38
You can't blame playing in Europe for our poor season. If anything it should have helped us improve as a squad. Think about it. We looked poor in our preseason games, and even in the early rounds of the comp, struggling to beat teams I had never heard of.
The only way we will improve is to stay playing in Europe, being out of it just weakens us.

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05 Feb 2018 15:55:45
I think you can blame Europe to a point. The early start meant our usual pre-season was condensed. Lots of new players didn't get a chance to play together / bed in etc as competitive action started very early.
That said - there is no excuse for the garbage which has been served up. There are far too many bad apples in the squad who are not working for Fat Sam and hardly pulled trees up for Martinez, Koeman or Unsie.
Seamus in his first game in 12 months showed the entire squad the level of guts and effort that should be a given. Likes of Scneiderlin, Williams, Keane haven't shown that much effort all season.

Seamus has been a huge loss for us. Make him captain and bring in a similar sort at LB and maybe we will start to progress.

But having thought we finally had a squad to be proud of it is scandalous that we need to start riupping it up and starting over.

{Ed001's Note - surely the early start to competitive football should have helped new players bed in? The only effect it should have is tiredness later in the season.}

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05 Feb 2018 16:20:36
I would give anything to see us back in Europe next year. It has some obvious drawbacks by having to start the season so much earlier but that is our own fault for only scraping in by the very last spot. We can consider the qualifiers to be our pre season games so don't necessarily need to play any more matches than we would in any other pre season.
By being in Europe, albeit Europa rather than Champions League, we should be more enticing to players considering joining us. And the opportunity to play against some high quality continental competition is what i want to see at the club.
Also, yes we had a disaster this year, but if we did not play our Europa qualifier, we would never have identified and signed Vlasic. It's always worth looking for the bright moments and that for me is one of them.

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06 Feb 2018 08:41:23
Ed001 - my thoughts are that we weren't fit enough AND we hadnt sorted our team shape, best 11 etc etc. WE struggled from the off, confidence was hit and the likes of Sandro, Klaassen and later Vlasic have never had a proper chance.
I think with a settled side the early start may help. But we had so many new faces that they needed more 'pointless friendlies' to sort a shape and understanding.

{Ed001's Note - not being fit enough would have quickly been sorted by playing matches, that is just an excuse. Building an understanding comes in training and playing together, you don't need to play pointless friendlies to do that either. Again more excuses for crap recruitment and management.

The manager is responsible for managing what he has and was utterly incapable of even making the effort to be a part of things, that was the biggest issue. The second biggest issue was the woeful recruitment that saw you pick up the wrong players.

Starting the season early should have been an advantage early on but the mess the club made of the summer meant it was not. Making excuses for mistakes is the way to go about making sure they are not rectified in the future.

Everton deserve better than a manager who thought he was too big and important to be managing Everton. Koeman was wrong, he was not good enough for Everton, not the other way around. But that problem has been fixed, though the choice of replacement shows the club still has not learnt lessons from the mistakes made picking him. You might want to make excuses for those failings but I would like to see Everton learn from them and find the right manager next time out, rather than yet another arrogant arse who thinks he is bigger than the club.}

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06 Feb 2018 14:56:04
I second everything you say Ed001, but fear that without a major overhaul from Boardroom to bench we will slowly sleepwalk to relegation.

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06 Feb 2018 15:01:46
I agree re Everton deserving better and also re the poor recruitment - that said we all thought we had recruited well at the time. Hindsight eh! But 3 no.10's, no decent forward and no cover at LB was scandalous.
Disagree re the fitness side. It is no coincidence that each side that has entered EL at the group stages have had a poor season. The hard graft in pre-season is what builds you up for the season. It should have far more intensity than a friendly match. And as i said earlier, once you start losing games confidence quickly erodes.
All that said, the nucleus of that team have failed for 4 managers now. Total lack of bottle, character and ability.
I see another pre-season of much change.

{Ed001's Note - hindsight? I told you at the time you had recruited badly and got laughed at. I told you Mee was the defender at Burnley you should have got, not Keane. You didn't need hindsight to see that Rooney was finished years ago and should never have been brought back, plenty of others said the same thing. It also did not need hindsight to see you needed a genuine striker, which Sandro is not really.

I see what you are saying about the fitness but it is perfectly possible to get fit and play games, it is about managing it properly. It is also not true that each side that has entered the EL at the group stage has had a poor season. Though that is not related to early starts anyway, as the group stages are not that early in the season. I assume you mean the prelim rounds? In which case it is no different from Champs League sides having to pre-qualify and that doesn't present any real problems either.}

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06 Feb 2018 17:25:14
I think Rooney was as much a commercial / profile raising signing as anything else. Totally agree re a CF as i said above and, whilst i didn't laugh at you, i certainly can't argue on the comments re Mee over Keane. Keane has been dire!

And yes i meant the prelims. My mistake.

PS - What you doing in the summer Ed 001. Hoping there is a vacancy going for a DoF!

{Ed001's Note - I doubt Walsh will be given his marching orders just yet. Moshiri handpicked him, I think he will want to back his judgement call on that for a while yet.}

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06 Feb 2018 20:33:56
Agree with most of what you say there Ed. Although, on the whole, I think Rooney has been a decent signing really. He’s played some good games for us and scored some important goals.

{Ed001's Note - I don't see how he has been decent, he gets in the way in every move and is constantly anywhere but where you would want him to be. Yes he has scored some goals, but at what cost? I mean on the pitch cost, not wages etc. Would say Sigurdsson have scored and created more if he had played there? Would the team as a whole played better without a headless chicken running around brainlessly? If you are in midfield and looking to play a pass to him you have to search around to see where he is, because he could be anywhere. So you can't have an understanding built and just play a ball immediately, like you could with, for instance, Vardy up front. Which slows down your play and allows the opposition time to recover positions. That was especially a problem in the first part of the season when you had so little pace in the team to attack them with. You needed the ball to be moved around at pace but the players are unable to keep it moving one or two touch as they are spending 3 or 4 touches trying to figure out where he is.}

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