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17 Sep 2017 21:23:28
We sit in 18th on 4 points played five won 1 but from us in 18th up to fifth place is only four points in it all on the same number of games so if a few other results go our way and we win a few games over the next five then we can fly up the table.

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17 Sep 2017 23:10:37
I totally agree with you.
I think we played better today gutted with the result give it time we will get there get behind manager and team yes we have had a rough ride lately to say the least. Be patient things will start to pick up now. This is the manager who will win us things this is the manager we wanted give him time fellow blues before we bully him out. COYB.

18 Sep 2017 09:52:45
If memory serves, and I am sure there are plenty on here that know better, 2016 season had we played the top 4 first we would have had 3 points. Spurs 1, Man City 1, Chelsea 0, and Man U 1.
So we have a 2 point deficit on 2016 which looks a lot worse due to them being in our first 5 fixtures. Yes we look disjointed with no pace and no target man, however we did look yesterday to have something about us.
Confidence is a major factor in winning games so hopefully if we can put on a show in our next 2 games and actually manage to score a goal or two, we will see the team regain a spirit fitting of our great club. Keep the faith.

{Ed025's Note - good post that chalkie..

18 Sep 2017 12:26:03
Brilliant post chalkie. What I've been trying to say with my posts lately. Yours sums it up better there. Puts a different spin on things. The next 5 games will tell a lot how the season will go imho.

18 Sep 2017 12:55:33
Out the first 5 league games 2 were at home, Stoke and Spuds. In the next 7 games 6 are at home. It will have to help, provided the crowd don't get on the players back too much. If the terrible start continues with all them games at home Koeman is a goner.

I'm one that is sticking up for him but in the next 7 games that have League cup, Europe games along with the Premiership games, if we don't get decent results and performances Koeman will be under serious pressure.

18 Sep 2017 20:12:28
Great post above.

17 Sep 2017 20:33:21
Dare I say it balotelli looked good on a free 😂😂 We need a presence up front Rooney turns back too many times and lost the ball far too much today think the team would be better without him in it.

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17 Sep 2017 21:55:52
Eddy Rooney was one of our best players today by far problem is he is turning back as there is nobody in front of him to play it into. In my opinion Rooney is best played just behind the striker benteke would have been an ideal target man for a season or two or giroud problem is we miss that target man and again today it showed.

{Ed025's Note - he gave the ball away too much for me keato and slowed the game down too much, it seems like everything goes through him and others are overlooked for his sake, just my opinion though mate..

17 Sep 2017 22:28:20
Rooney was one of our better players today, it's jags and williams that worried me today and it's nothing to do with there pace.

18 Sep 2017 07:00:00
martina and Williams are a major problem and should both be dropped but overall I thought we did well yesterday and not for the first time the scoreline flattered utd.

18 Sep 2017 20:19:12
Truebluemetz. You can't honestly say he was the best player for us. He lost the ball more than anybody else on the pitch! Take your Rooney goggles off!

17 Sep 2017 12:54:23
just been told koeman has been nicked with a brass gunna be in the papers tomorrow, if true he is making us a joke of a club its more like a soap than a football team at the minute everton.

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17 Sep 2017 13:33:19
I doubt it's true. If you google 'Koeman Ellesmere Port' (where it's supposed to have happened) there's another identical rumour from June last year. Just twitter nonsense until it's reported by reputable newspapers.

17 Sep 2017 13:53:29
Lee Carsley next manager anyone?

17 Sep 2017 20:23:56
Unsworth?

17 Sep 2017 20:38:16
Tuchell if anyone but calling for a new manager at this stage is a little ridiculous.

17 Sep 2017 20:48:07
yes Unsworth for me, and no, don't wait till January, no one up front, ?

17 Sep 2017 21:15:00
What about big dunc.

17 Sep 2017 22:29:45
Think he's to old to play up front now dog. 😀.

17 Sep 2017 23:14:00
Get big Dunc in now player manager I bet he could still put the fear into any befence😉.

17 Sep 2017 12:53:04
after today it looks like a decent run where we can charge up the league.

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17 Sep 2017 16:07:43
4 minutes in and 1 - 0 down already.

17 Sep 2017 16:53:46
No Niasse and Lookman no DCL starting game and side show bob in defence may as well go home now.

14 Sep 2017 19:59:03
We are in serious trouble. Our last three games combined. Everton 32 shots for 4 on target, opposition 52 shots for for 21 on target. 8 goals to Nil. Defending is shot, midfield is shot, and poor old Sandro and Dominic can't get into the game. We could have Messi up front and we would still. be putrid. No pace, no creativity, no game plan, no nothing. Did we just buy the Swansea sigurddson or the Tottenham one.

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14 Sep 2017 22:10:35
koeman is a flawed tactician there can be no doubt, he plays att formations when he should be more balanced and tinkers too much when he should play to his / players strengths. more over he makes the same mistakes in formations and personal week in week out. however let's be honest he isn't telling those players go out and sit deep and just let teams attack you. (well i hope not) this is the fault of the players not having a clear leader on the pitch and not having the drive or inspiration to make things happen. we are playing formations for whatever reason that our current squad can't play. so koeman needs to address that and quick and those players need to have a word with themselves cause it is just not good enough. don't think koemans job is under threat just yet.

{Ed025's Note - the play is far too slow floats and a lot of that seems to revolve around rooney, the sideways passing, then back, then a corner for us that ends up back to our keeper its dire to watch, im not blaming it all on wayne but united played like that last season, im not looking for a scapegoat here just looking for a reason why we are so poor mate..

15 Sep 2017 06:16:19
Maybe Wayne's problem with sideways passing is because he likes a bit on the side. I'll get my coat haha.

15 Sep 2017 00:36:09
Nail. Head. 025. Rooney is the reason I stopped watching England for that exact reason.

{Ed025's Note - its not just wayne though benny, there is no one grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck and we dont seem to have a leader, the players are just going through the motions and its up to koeman to get it sorted or we will have to find someone who will mate..

15 Sep 2017 08:54:34
There are good players there, RK simply needs to acknowledge that he can't play all his favourite individuals. Williams not good enough imo and should be dropped for jags or bring browning back. Kenny deserves a chance. Lookman and davies need a crack imo and I'd go 4-4-2 with Calvert- lewin along side Rooney or dare I say niasse or mirrallas. The benefit of playing Rooney imo is that he could drop back into midfield if necessary if we needed to shore up. plus he works harder than mirrallas and I think has more savvy than both other options. Where do we stand on bringing players like browning or dowell back?

{Ed025's Note - im not sure jcl but they are not the answer anyway, we can all see the problems which is all the players are too similar, we have a plethora of No 10,s who all have limited pace and no target man to hit, our defence is very static and lacks not only confidence but leadership and it leaves us with a scenario of a team who are shipping goals and not creating chances, the most worrying aspect for me is the lack of passion and how we are second best in challenges and koeman needs to step up to the plate, dropping rooney and schneiderlin would be a start as they tend to slow the play more than most imo but im sure other posters will have there own ideas on how to fix things mate..

15 Sep 2017 09:20:16
Ed, I agree with mist, simply trying to think of alternatives with squad available. for example this weekend I'd play 4-4-2. Starting at top, I'd play Calvert-lewin and Rooney ( purely because mirrallas never tracks back, and niasse would get slated if we got battered. wouldn't be fair to him) . In midfield I'd go with Gana and sigurdson with lookman and mirallas on flanks. Back four would be baines jags, Keane and Kenny (baptism of fire)

15 Sep 2017 10:09:49
We say no leadership and yet we have Man U and Englands captain, wales captain, Ajax captain as well as our own captain. So leadership is not something we should be lacking - but unfortunately, just like motivation, we are.
We need an injection of pace somewhere and last night, with Holgate and Baines we had zero forward movement. Even Baines has lost that ability to pass players and get crosses in - we constantly take easy option.

For me, and being a little radical because something different is clearly required, I would go 3-5-2

Baines, Keane, Holgate
Cuco, Davies, Gueye, Kenny
Sig
DCL. Sandro or Rooney

Bit more pace at back. Jags and Williams make everyone nervous so let Keane take responsibility. Baines not got the pace to get past people anymore but gives us balance with a left foot

And most of all we may get some enthusiasm

It won't happen, but,

15 Sep 2017 20:16:31
I don't get this obsession with 2 holding midfielders either, I'm sure Gueye is good enough to handle the role on his own. We could then play Sigurdsson/ Klassen/ Davies in a deep playmaking role, driving through the middle, with Rooney/ Sigurdsson behind the striker, then Lookman or Bolasie (on his return) on the left and Vlasic/ Mirallas on the right providing pace on the wings. Schneiderlin could rotate with Gueye. Can't be any worse than the last 2 games. We've shopped 6 goals in 2 games so it's not like the defence is any better with 2 midfielders in front of them.

15 Sep 2017 22:31:35
Spot on gibbons. I think I'm there or there abouts with you on my selection. I think Gana is man for holding role along side sigurdson. and lookman HAS to be given a crack!

16 Sep 2017 01:29:22
Bad team that dave.

16 Sep 2017 08:48:02
Wouldn't disagree Dunc. Problem is we have tried virtually everything else and nothing works.
Trying to be positive, when we get Yannick, Mori and Seamus back maybe we have a 'first 11' because that is what we desperately need - some stability, a formation that suits US and not changing every week because of who we play. Let them worry about us

So once the three are back;

Pickford
Seamus Keane Mori Baines
Gueye
Vlasic. Sig. Bolasie
Ramirez. Rooney or DCL


Bench of Lookman, Holgate, Schneiderlin, klaasen, Niasse, Davies.

17 Sep 2017 01:29:04
We are missing a centre forward and 2 fast wingers yannicks not back till January, I'm afraid we will be mid table at best by then we are to mobile no1 from midfield runs at the opposition and creates chances we need Ross if you ask me.

17 Sep 2017 11:07:55
Koeman's insistance on Rooney must play causes problems. Rooney playing means other major signings are out of position. Siguurdson needs to play through the middle. My Team would be G/ K not bothered who, Holgate, Keane, Jags/ Williams (Funes when fit)
Kenny RWB, Baines LWB (need a replacement badly) , Gana, Mirralas Siguurdson Lookman, Sandro/ CLW/ Klaason.

14 Sep 2017 19:58:07
Sorry but I think he we I'll be gone by xmas after all those expectations we had.

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14 Sep 2017 20:52:09
Who will be gone? him us or you.

14 Sep 2017 22:11:05
Folks, if it carries on like this beyond the other side of Christmas and we are say out of the League Cup I really can see us looking for a new manger. This is Drivel, pure boring, slow, Drivel. We need a jump start but I just can't see where on earth it's coming from? Can you?

{Ed025's Note - no mate..

15 Sep 2017 06:21:39
We have both Lookman and Vlasic who have pace, add to that Mirrallas yet these 3 can't get a game. The obsession with holding midfielders and number 10's out of position needs to go. A straight forward midfield 4 of Lookman, Gana, Davies, Vlasic with Sigs playing behind Mirrallas as forward or I don't believe I'm actually suggesting it Niasse up top. We have been torn apart due to the managers narrow mindness and narrow formation, we have 2 young wingers with pace, let's use them. I would even use Aaron Lennon as a fullback ahead of Baines atm too.

15 Sep 2017 08:24:15
I can't disagree with the posts above, If you look at arsenal last night losing at HT and Wenger changes from back 4 to 3, reactive tactics that worked. Atalanta are no Milan, but they had pace and a big man up front that held the ball up and ran at defenders!
Vlasic looks useful but we keep playing back 4 with 2 holding and it is NOT working, he must find the right blend and quickly! Personally I feel Sniederlein is well off the pace and possibly needs leaving out of a couple of games with a more attacking player coming in.
At this moment we are devoid of any confidence no a good frame of mind going to old Trafford this weekend!

{Ed025's Note - all eyes will be on us sunday wakka and i believe it will tell us a lot about where we are, if we get a good hiding then people will rightly be asking questions about the direction we are going in, its a very worrying time for us at the moment mate..

15 Sep 2017 14:04:52
Bluegrey87 for next manager, what's the odds.

15 Sep 2017 15:30:44
Totally agree Ed025 what is so frustrating is that a huge spend in the last window has not improved us over our normal lower key cautious purchases!

{Ed025's Note - its the low key performances rater than purchases that is my big concern wakka mate..

13 Sep 2017 23:52:05
Striker a must in January then! Bas Dost from Sporting is the man for me. Great scoring record. Is there any solid links for January with anyone ed?

{Ed001's Note - not yet, bit early for most clubs, very few make plans for January transfers.}

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12 Sep 2017 00:12:21
Any update on bolasie? Also do you think we may play him up top? Big man quick?

{Ed001's Note - he is not expected back before January.}

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13 Sep 2017 13:49:24
Might be quick but can't find net.

14 Sep 2017 10:05:52
I'm looking forward to having him back, but I don't see him playing up top for us. Let's face it, we don't have an abundance of pace so I think we need him playing where he is best, on the wing.

07 Sep 2017 17:53:12
Niasse has been brought back in to to the squad hope he proves us all wwrong.

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07 Sep 2017 18:55:58
I would be made up if he came good. His attitude was perfect last season. Good luck Oumar!

07 Sep 2017 20:29:39
I think most of us would live him to do well with how he has acted in a very difficult situation. Embarrasses lukaku and Barkley in my opinion.

07 Sep 2017 23:09:29
Mentioned this the other Day, glad Ronnie has done a uturn and prepared to give the guy another chance, might see us through to January, maybe even longer depending on the outcome, I think the guy was harshly treated but never whinged once, he got stuck into the u23 team, went out to Hull and got great praise from Unsworth, I really hope it works out for the guy.

08 Sep 2017 11:20:36
Not landing a striker has forced Ronnie hand, I remember last January when he didn't get the players he wanted and stuck Tom Davies in which at the time I thought he's done it to prove a point to the board, let's hope Niasse can do the same, though whether it was a lack of striker that forced the u turn, or the Barkley and Rooney episodes has made him back down on the player who knows, but glad the guy has got a chance to prove himself.

{Ed025's Note - i think it stinks of desperation myself baz..

08 Sep 2017 13:41:40
Desperate time call for desperate measures unfortunately. We can only hope he can pull it off.

08 Sep 2017 14:17:12
Maybe his confidence will improve now that Koeman has accepted him into the team. I hope so 'cause i would love for him to show his talents. After all he can score goals, under23's and Hull. Just needs a run of games not 5 mins here and there.

08 Sep 2017 12:54:53
Could be Ed, trying to make a point for the January window, I would like to think with the Barkley and then Rooney he has looked at Niasse and his attitude and prepared to give the guy a chance, let's not forget Ronnie judged the guy after a pre season, since then he's bedded in, played for a premier league team and I think given the chance he will knock a few in for us., then he will refuse to sign a new contract and go to Spurs on a free luck we have.

{Ed025's Note - love it baz..

09 Sep 2017 12:26:23
Too be honest I don't think he was ever given a first chance but what a decent guy, all the talk on how others treated our club and we gave them everything, this guy basically had everything taken away from him and here he is just wanting to play football. I hope he gets a good career with or without us.

{Ed002's Note - His problem has been settling and nothing more. Clubs were willing to give him a chance and the likes of Chelsea, Lille, Spurs, Manchester United and Newcastle all looked before Everton bit. If Everton can get him settled then they do indeed have a very good squad players on their hands.}

11 Sep 2017 00:08:31
Another 2 goals for Niasse today, mark my words in a year or so Unsworth will be the next Everton manager, he gets the players playing for him and seems to have a system set up we crave for in the first team rather than the unbalanced shite Ronnie keeps sticking to.

06 Sep 2017 21:33:28
Does anybody else think that barkley has done this on purpose so that he can get a bigger signing on fee wherever he goes. he has stuck his two fingers up at everybody connected to our great football club.

{Ed025's Note - im not sure what his game is alan, but i cant see him ever wearing our famous shirt ever again mate..

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06 Sep 2017 23:02:52
Do you know what really annoys me. We sold Rooney to UTD and I'm sure some of that fee went towards the development of Barkley in some way or form. I'm not saying that he should go somewhere that he is not happy at but at least make sure the club he supports and was developed by is looked after. Rooney went to UTD and won the lot, I actually hope his career flops.

{Ed025's Note - sadly im getting that way myself cosh..

07 Sep 2017 09:58:44
He may well have done. If he's decided he's off he's going to trying to get as much as possible out of it.

07 Sep 2017 10:36:38
If that is the case and his only motivation is his own financial gain he's showing a total lack of respect for the club that nurtured him and stood by him during his terrible injuries.

07 Sep 2017 11:08:29
I've said it before and I know it would cost us but I would keep him for the whole year. Play him if we need him, mainly as a sub.

07 Sep 2017 12:01:24
I personally believe he has been asked to wait til jan by spurs they save wages and buy him at a fraction of the 35 million we could of got (we all know spurs are tight) and they will give him a higher signing on fee for waiting so he uses our facilities to get himself fit while picking up a nice wage packet If I was koeman I would banish him from the 1st team.

07 Sep 2017 14:15:28
Sadly this is a typical example of player power. The boy will end up screwing the club he supports. When Rooney left we got a really good fee for a boy his age although it then went on to be a bargain for united, we needed the money so it was win win.

Barkley's departure will be very different and will vilify him to a point that unlike Rooney it will be very difficult to accept him back. Then once spurs chew him up and spit him out as they usually do, he will end up at West Ham or Palace looking up the table at Everton wondering what went wrong.

07 Sep 2017 14:24:02
Bluey79 I'm not sure how you can call Spurs tight. They seen he was injured and knew he wouldn't play again this year and could get him for a fraction of a price in Jan. I'd call that good business. Would you pay triple the price for something you can use until January?

07 Sep 2017 15:56:37
Basically Spurs can't pay him the wages he would want due to there structure when they move into the new ground it will change but as I said before 12 months in football is a long time and Spurs will need to do something this season to keep players like Alli Kane there top 4 is not certain and I think they will not make it this year due to Wembley factor, I know it gets talked about but there home form was excellent last season and I don't see them getting same points at Wembley this season.

07 Sep 2017 18:01:00
Ryan1988 spurs and Levy are renowned for being tight why do you think they always leave it late to buy players it's because they save on wages and if Chelsea were willing to pay the 35 million so should spurs of been instead they will prob get him for 10 million and before you say it's clever 1 ask the spurs fans they constantly complain how tight spurs are and 2 ask the players who will mostly be looking to leave as they won't get payed the going rate that's why I can call them tight mate.

07 Sep 2017 19:56:34
Spurs just show they are not as big as they think. For ages I was hoping Barkley stayed now I am changing my mind. If he goes to Spurs then so be it Pochetino will probably get snapped up by someone else soon Dele Ali will likely leave, and all will be a big Barkley mess.

07 Sep 2017 20:26:28
Hes not done us any favours, but he's sabotaging himself as well. I lobed Barkley as a player, he could have become a legend, now I don't give a monkeys uncle what he does or where he ends up.

07 Sep 2017 23:20:02
Said it myself as a poster above, keep him at Everton until July, but I would not give the guy game time to benefit his next club or slim chance of the World Cup, Spurs can stick their £10 Million offer up their arse, make sure the guy is not match fit for when he leaves. May be throwing £10 Million plus the rest of his wages down the shitter but would sooner lose out to a fee than gifting him in January, he's an Everton player until July and I would not be surprised if Moshi uses his power to lower Barkleys player power, specially after the deadline fiasco Mossi had to deal with live on sky sports.

08 Sep 2017 09:04:43
send him home, don't give him access to our training/ physio facilities, don't let him train and ban him from training with any other club. Strip him of all club benefits and freeze him out of our club for Ever including any images and videos.

{Ed025's Note - your a very harsh guy SDS, im not saying you are wrong though but hung drawing and quartering a player is outlawed..pity that..

08 Sep 2017 13:04:45
Spurs spent within the means of the club whilst currently building a state of the art stadium. Levy seen that Barkley was injured and wasn't going to take a chance and wanted to wait to see the developments. Maybe Spurs will lose players but even the biggest clubs in the world (Barcelona) lose stars all the time. It seems a bit bitter Bluey you are attacking a club because they didn't buy an injured player from you.

08 Sep 2017 13:47:18
He's had a good living so far for a young lad without really paying it back on the field. Did feel sorry for him as I thought he could be suffering some kind of breakdown, however it now looks more and more like it's all about him and what he can get out of a deal. Starting to agree with scousedownsouth.

08 Sep 2017 12:43:20
a contract is both ways, he has a right to be at efc's training facitlity. whether we like it or not. i mean if barkley is playing this out as going to spurs, then he has already lowered his own player power cause he has left himself open to whatever whim levy wants to throw at him regarding a contract. it is forgone conclusion that he will never get back the player power he is giving up. cause who would take him now after what he did to chelsea and what he is about to do to efc. a players power rely's upon the value a team place upon you and your attitude towards the game and whether your an outstanding player, sadly ross has failed to see the obvious by behaving in such a way he has stripped himself of any value to his current club and to spurs, and as such has givin up willingly it must be said any power he might of once had as a player. would not be surprised if spurs no longer needed him. by no means is this guy anywhere near as good as he thinks he is, its kind of sad really. who advises these guys on how to behave, he has taken himself from a first 11 starter to a squad player for spurs at best worse is spurs have a kid who comes thru this year and then decide nah we don't want you he will be f.

{Ed025's Note - im on boad with all of that floats mate..

11 Sep 2017 00:13:49
The more I look at it, the more I think it is down to our manager, never thought I would say that but he's losing the dressing room and I'm bloody grey with the system he keeps playing, publically chastising Barkley, the treatment of Niasse, if things do not pick up quick and before people say need time to gel I would not lose any sleep if we brought Unsworth in to fix our sinking ship.

 


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