Everton Discussion posts

05 May 2024 12:17:40
Hey Mocker reading your post below on Sean difficult to know what's best, he did what was asked of him and kept us up bar the last few games it was awful football but it was never going to pretty stuff and needs must, he did it with 3 games left so he did well, as to keeping him not sure can argue both ways on that one, for me the guy from Coventry looks good but our Team will be unrecognisable next season from our present one so who knows just hope new owners can be brought in that have our Clubs interest at heart mate.

05 May 2024 12:01:34
Latest news Kevin Malone being reported as interested in Everton, was with the Dodgers apparently.

05 May 2024 08:36:10
Would anybody fancy a gamble on Brereton Diaz?

05 May 2024 09:54:43
Think we should stop gambling on players don’t you.

05 May 2024 11:03:17
Would rather have Sammy smozzicks from Blackburn watched him a few times this season and again yesterday 2 goals away at leister some player what we are missing.

05 May 2024 11:55:53
I would, I think he’s a good player. Bright, sharp, has looked dangerous this season.

05 May 2024 12:02:57
The couple up front for Luton looked half useful as well.

04 May 2024 08:38:47
Reading this morning we can get another 9 point deduction if we go int administration, we are 11 points clear of the bottom three, we win our game with Sheffield United can we take the points deduction now and start with a clean sheet next season.

{Ed002's Note - No, it doesn't work like that.}

04 May 2024 12:10:07
Does anyone know how this does work.

04 May 2024 12:51:09
I don’t think we get to choose when we get a points deduction. Judging by this season, getting screwed at the start of next season seems more likely.

{Ed002's Note - A club cannot enter Administration for a matter of convenience to them. And it is not something that can happen overnight.}

04 May 2024 14:22:50
As I said, I don’t think we can choose. How likely is administration?

04 May 2024 21:00:54
It honestly fries my brain that fans think administration is a good thing and it wipes the slate clean!

Administration for any club will be a disaster.

Majority of the staff will be let go, players will be sold, players will want out, ground and training facilities will be at risk of sale to pay those owed money - nobody benefits from administration.

Can anyone think of a single high street shop/ chain that has gone into administration and come out of it well the other side? No beccause it doesn’t happen.

05 May 2024 07:31:00
Who thinks admin is good Dan I certainly don’t.

05 May 2024 09:12:29
GB - it’s your post I’m commenting on.

“Can we take the points deduction now and start with a clean sheet next season”

This is a crazy comment as doesn’t factor in all the other issues that come with administration - job losses, player sales etc.

Administration isn’t a golden bullet that makes everything alright - it’s an absolute nightmare scenario which the club is highly unlikely to recover from.

05 May 2024 09:56:01
Go into administration and control of the club is taken out of your hands. Enter the asset strippers.

05 May 2024 12:05:09
Was a post purely on if it happens when does it have to be taken, not rocket science eh.

02 May 2024 16:14:26
Exactly JB I'm not wanting him sold either but as you say needs must, and my preference would be to sell Pickford and Onana before Branthwaite to settle our misdemeanours, but as always game of opinions mates.

02 May 2024 16:42:13
I suppose a lot will rest on who wants to go. If Branthwaite pushes for a move, it’d likely happen. I think we’d have to entertain any decent offers for any player.

02 May 2024 17:45:28
For sure mate, this summer will see massive changes at Everton.

03 May 2024 17:00:06
I would agree there GB, but which do you change first, manager and coaches, or players? They tend to go cap in hand with each others. One mans choice is another man's dislike. I would go manager first and players second. I do think Potter could do something with our squad and minimise the player turnaround.

03 May 2024 18:18:07
I still think when we get new owners whoever they are will want to make a first impression especially to us fans and that will be a new manager, whoever we get I will support as for Sean he was brought in to keep us up and he did it was far from pretty I will admit but he did it and our last few games have been excellent especially against our neighbours we actually out fought them and outplayed them, as for our present Team I would let most of them go bar two or three, it’s only my opinion mate and that’s what so good with this Forum with so many different views we will never agree buddy but it’s somewhere we can let off steam eh.

03 May 2024 22:09:17
All good debate GB.

04 May 2024 07:22:34
Yep good stuff mate I love it.

05 May 2024 09:11:28
Whereas I Nick don't think Potter would do much better with this group as totally not his type of fit, nor as Potter been linked to us and Dyche won't be going anywhere.

If and it is a big IF Dyche was to go the incoming manager would be very limited in player turnaround both in outgoings and incomings.

Dyche wether we like his style of play or not has done a solid job this season and clearly since the Chelsea debacle where many including myself thought he had lost the players retains the backing of the group.

Dyche won't be backed in terms of finance this summer but I do believe the fans need to give the bloke a chance and the support, after all that is what we are SUPPORTERS!

30 Apr 2024 22:17:40
Ed, is it possible and plausible for Everton FC to sue Moshiri for gross mismanagement of our great club during his tenure here when all of this takoever and financial mess is finally sorted and over? This man surely has to be held accountable just like you and I would be in our day to day jobs and running of companies! We are in such a mess financially that words fail me right now and Moshiri is to blame right?

{Ed002's Note - No, that is not an option. Everton's plight is down to various matters - Moshiri should not have used his neighbour as an advisor, others involved with the club should have looked to stop the level of spending on wages that is the source of the issues, the club knew they were going to face problems and failed to sell players to cover themselves, and unless they do something before June 30 there will be a further charge. Getting in to bed with 777 Partners was a mistake. I said originally that "Everton should run a mile from 777 partners for two reasons - they are being investigated over investments in two low cost airlines that have seen reposesessions and, if Everton and Standard Liege were to both qualify for the same European competition, then Everton would be excluded". THis is now degrading further. MSP offered to buy 25% of the club from Moshiri and that offer should have been taken up - now the loans from MSP need to be repaid by mid May and it is impossible to see where the money is coming from. The transfer of money owed to MSP and 777 Partners in to equity will effectively mean giving away the new stadium - where the money is not available to finish it.}

01 May 2024 14:13:13
What is 777's goal with footie clubs? Take over sinking ships turn them around and sell for a profit?

It wouldn't make sense for them to make a mess of it, but I can't help but think that's exactly what would happen.

I also wonder what is Moshiri's angle in all of this, does he just want to give the club to whoever and get out? Obviously if he gave one shxt about the club and us fans he would communicate.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of 777 Partners turning clubs around and selling. Thy have controllig or minority stakes in a nuber of sides.}

01 May 2024 16:33:04
Maybe they are just intent on pissing off as many fan bases as possible. I haven't read anything to indicate they are in the slightest bit competent.

02 May 2024 13:55:34
Surely selling the stadium is suicide? The whole point of the project was to generate revenue and to ensure we can compete is club financially?

02 May 2024 14:43:36
Maybe a case of MSP acquiring a percentage of EFC including the Stadium by default. Would MSP having a measure of influence/ control in EFC be a bad thing? Much preferable to 777.

30 Apr 2024 20:23:48
We just lurch from disaster to disaster off the pitch. A primary school pupil could have run our finances better than the so called experts we employ.

Unpopular opinion but I would get to the end of the season and then go into administration. We'd start next season with a nine point deduction but hopefully that would be the end of it.

UTFT NSNO.

{Ed025's Note - i know what you are saying WT but do we really want to start with a 9 point deficit and fighting an uphill battle again?, we need to allow as much time as possible to get a resolution to avoid that mate, now whether it is possible i really dont know..

30 Apr 2024 20:48:46
It's just so fecking frustrating Ed.

{Ed025's Note - it really is WT but its a case of waiting and hoping for the best im afraid mate..

30 Apr 2024 20:57:48
I honestly can’t believe people think administration is a good thing.

It’s not a magic bullet which means we just carry on with a 9pt deduction.

It’s an absolute disaster for everyone at the club - the backroom staff will be cut, players will be sold, the ground will potentially be sold not one person associated with the club wins if we go into administration.

30 Apr 2024 22:57:16
Absolutely good I agree, crazy and must be avoided at all costs.

01 May 2024 08:28:53
Administration leads to asset stripping. Would include ground, players and staff. The vultures would be circling then.

30 Apr 2024 13:36:35
Insolvency advisors being brought in on our protracted takeover saga.

{Ed002's Note - Mid May as I have explained.}

30 Apr 2024 16:59:08
They also specialise in refinancing debt so it could be they are just looking to refinance the current debt to a more sustainable level.

30 Apr 2024 12:54:53
Ed002

Question how come it taking so long with takeover it clearly looks like they don't have enough money to buy us.

{Ed002's Note - They are having to raise funds and the PL want the money in ESCROW before OKing the move.}

30 Apr 2024 16:08:51
Ed do you believe they will be able to provide that?

We’re 8 months down the line and we appear no further along with this takeover and more and more negative stories coming out regards 777.

The majority of us would feel based on the timeframe and lack of progress that we should step away from 777 - however are there any realistic alternative bidders that would be interested and be a decent fit for the club?

{Ed002's Note - The critical issue at the moment is finding a way to delay the mid May for at least a couple weeks.

30 Apr 2024 17:10:15
Ginger the club could put out statements to curb some of our concerns but it doesn't which is not helpful. Take overs can take a considerable time and the media are running with a narrative that sells their product which will always err towards negativity. There will be a small group of people that know what's going on and its highly unlikely that they are providing the media with information. In my opinion the media talk is speculation based on links to articles published in the media regarding 777 operations in the US. I'm not that worried as I believe EFC a good prospect for investment to be allowed to fail.

30 Apr 2024 18:28:54
sa90 I wish I shared your optimism.

Whilst we are a premier league club with a big fan base and a new stadium on the horizon I don’t believe currently we are a good prospect for investment.

We have mountains of debt, an ageing squad with players on ridiculous contracts, continually flirt with relegation, have PSR issues hanging over us which will also affect next season and are genuinely facing the potential of administration.

In our current state we should fail as it’s unlikely anyone with any sense would not see it’s going to take a massive injection of cash to rectify the issues we face. Which to me shows why there are no other concrete options available.


Even if we are taken over nobody can just throw money at the problem as that will cause more PSR issues.

Dont know the full ins and outs of it but there is the potential that the new rules regarding expenditure related to earnings will also severely impact us and potentially be worse for us than current PSR rules.

Agree takeovers take time - however 8 months down the line and 777 have not proven they have the funds to complete it. Regardless of speculation there’s no smoke without fire and there’s enough to suggest 777 won’t be able to complete the takeover.

Its looking more and more likely that if we fail and go into administration then we will become a better prospect for a takeover as majority of debts will be written off, however it will be a disaster for everyone currently involved with the club.

Genuinely hope we have a positive outcome but no longer holding my breath.

30 Apr 2024 20:58:54
Thanks for info Ed002 much appreciated.

30 Apr 2024 12:07:43
Just read that the Airline (Bonza) which is owned by 777 partner has gone into administration.

30 Apr 2024 20:16:15
Premiership will probably give us a nine point penalty now:)

29 Apr 2024 19:00:37
Hi Ed’s, I’m not interested in the finance side of this capping on spending based on tv revenue malarkey however will it affect the changes we undoubtedly would face on the 3 year rolling accounts as I believe we would be in the triple jeopardy situation. Also how would that affect Cities, Chelsea, etc situations
Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - Everton are at risk of being charged again as it moves in to a different period. Chelsea need to raise something like £106M in sales before the end of June this year - which they sould be able to do. Manchester City are in a different situation as the charges are not directly related to the same issue. They have a problem with a huge amount of noise in the charges that can be settled or removed, but a handful of very serious charges.}

30 Apr 2024 01:40:18
When you say we are at risk Ed, is this something to do with the £85 million losses? If we were to raise this by player sales, would we be clear of another charge?

If the charge is 6-10 points deduction again, I think we would be better off taking it than selling the our saleable assets at knockdown prices like we MAY have been forced to do with Richarlison.

{Ed002's Note - Everton are at risk of a further charge(s) regarding the interest payments that had to be paid, and/or if this season provides a further significant loss - and taht could be offset by selling players before June 30.}

30 Apr 2024 08:55:12
Cheers ed.