Everton Banter Archive August 24 2016

24 Aug 2016 17:31:53
Vincent iborra from sevilla linked with Sunderland for 7m. Tall, strong good on the ball and can tackle. Can also play as a box to box. Would be awesome at efc and for only 7m would be a steal as much as idrissa. Hope ronny/ walsh is in for this fella as well.

24 Aug 2016 17:46:45
Or could help us getting Kone from Sunderland? Just maybe.

24 Aug 2016 18:43:26
Iborra is a midfielder mate and tbh is too good for Sunderland.

24 Aug 2016 19:21:54
Yes but you say he can play box to box. I know not directly a replacement for Kone but a help in that central area.

Just me clutching at straws. Would love Kone to come. CB sorted for a long time to come then. Rather strengthen other areas like striker but not many players being touted for a move that I'd rather more than Kone.

24 Aug 2016 20:26:51
I think kone will come. keeping him out of 1st team training, sell him deadline day, big profit but not match fit for buying club. just a thought.

24 Aug 2016 20:39:19
It'd be like moyes to do that .

24 Aug 2016 22:45:17
Prob giving him a fry up every day too lol.

24 Aug 2016 15:44:01
For anyone who's interested in the "grappling in the box" debate, here's what I understand from the FIFA Laws of the Game.

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
Kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
Trips or attempts to trip an opponent
Jumps at an opponent
Charges an opponent
Strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
Pushes an opponent
Tackles an opponent

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences:
Holds an opponent
Spits at an opponent
Handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)

A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play.

So, it would seem that the Shawcross penalty decision (holding an opponent) was absolutely correct.
As for the Sterling penalty decision (pushing an opponent) , the referee must have considered it careless, reckless or using excessive force. Hmmm - was it really?

Holding, spitting and deliberate handball are always free-kicks under the laws.
The other fouls (kicking, tripping, striking, pushing, etc. ) all have to be considered careless, reckless or excessive by the referee to be free-kicks. That's why physical contact is still permitted under the laws if the referee considers it not careless, not reckless and not excessive.

As long as all referees are consistent and honest in applying the laws, then I see no cause for complaint.

24 Aug 2016 17:27:08
Hope tackling an opponent is wrong. its not footie without a good old tackle.

24 Aug 2016 19:03:43
dentielad: if you read it, you'll see that tackling is only an offence if the referee considers it to be careless, reckless or using excessive force.

24 Aug 2016 19:38:28
The sterling penalty was given as the result of him not attempting to play the ball and only play the man. it is due to the fact that he stood facing away from the ball and didn't look at it once, he only tried to impede the player.

24 Aug 2016 20:28:07
blueray: so, according to the laws I've listed, was it for pushing and was it careless, orreckless, or with excessive force? If it was onbstruction, that's surely an indirect free kick offence.

24 Aug 2016 20:36:07
blueray: my bad! Just re-read the laws for 2016-2017 and I now agree with you that he was penalised for "impeding an opponent with contact" :-)

24 Aug 2016 21:57:35
Sorry sid. didn't read it properly.

24 Aug 2016 22:16:30
No problem Sid. i can't remember where i heard the law, think it was on sky sports ref watch on Monday morning. they basically explained that if you watch it, sterling had his back to the ball and was just trying to stop his opponent from getting it, rather than trying to win it himself. looked harsh enough because he didn't really obstruct shawcross but he definitely made no attempt to play the ball either.

25 Aug 2016 12:36:27
Does this have any effect a defender shielding the ball out? Who makes no attempt to play the ball.

24 Aug 2016 13:23:16
As it stands - and discounting McAleny, McGeady, Niasse and Rodriguez who weren't given squad numbers and therefore appear likely to be moved on (permanently or on loan) - we still have 23 aged-over--21 players:
Baines, Barkley, Barry, Besic, Bolasie, Browning, Cleverley, Coleman, Deulofeu, Funes Mori, Gibson, Gueye, Jagielka, Koné, Lennon, Lukaku, McCarthy, Mirallas, Oviedo, Pennington, Robles, Stekelenburg and Williams. (Other players like Holgate, Davies, Dowell, Tarashaj, etc., are still all under 21.)
At the end of this transfer window, we have to register our aged-over-21 squad for the Premier League and that squad is allowed a maximum of 25 players. (By the way, as I understand it, the fact that our U21 side is now playing in a revamped U23 competition doesn't affect the aged-over-21 squad rule for the Premier League. )
So, at present we have just 2 places for incoming aged-over-21 players.
Of course, some current players could be moved out to create room for more new players.
Also, if some players have long-term injuries and can't play for several months (e. g. Besic) , they could be omitted from the squad and named in it at the end of the next transfer window (January) if they've recovered.
It'll be interesting to see how many players we'll actually bring in and which (if necessary) of the current players will have to leave in order to keep us within the 25-player maximum.

24 Aug 2016 14:05:45
Fantastic post mate and so informative. It seems we are still after a few.

24 Aug 2016 14:13:23
If Koeman is after the Southampton right-back I'd assume that one or both of Pennington and Browning will leave on loan - Galloway is more first team ready than either of those, I'd say, and they let him go on loan. The only other possibility would be Gibson, surely McCarthy will stay, unless used as a makeweight for Kone (Sunderland) .

24 Aug 2016 14:37:41
rich150: Browning and Pennington are both out injured and it seems doubtful that they'll be fit by the end of the transfer window. My understanding is that there are new rules about loan transfers (perhaps one of the Eds can clarify) and loan deals for those players would have to be agreed before the transfer window closes and would have to be at least until the January transfer window. As I said, I'd welcome clarification fron the Eds.
If I'm right, that leaves us aIn a bit of a quandary regarding those players and our registered squad.

{Ed002's Note - (a) There is nothing new about the rules. (b) The rules are different if they are to be loaned to lower league clubs.}

24 Aug 2016 15:30:22
Sid, Am I correct in believing that the under 21 rule is that a player should be under 21 on January 1st of a season. That means for example that Tarashaj who was 21 in February is not required to be included in the 25 man squad.

{Ed002's Note - 21 or under.}

24 Aug 2016 16:05:58
Ed002: are shorter-term loans (other than emergency goalkeeper loans) still allowed for periods in between transfer windows OR do loans now have to be from one transfer window to another (be it a full season or a half-season) ?
For example, Everton have this month loaned out a few players - some for the whole season and some just until January - whereas in the past the past Everton youngsters were often sent out on loan for the odd month now and again throughout the season.
Also, with a season-long loan, can the recall only be invoked when the January transfer window opens?
Finally, can loanees appear for their patent club in non-first-team fixtures even while officially on loan elsewhere?

{Ed002's Note - It depends where the loan is to - a lower-tier club and the FA will allow players to play for lower-tier clubs on a short-term (e.g. month-by-month) but they would be excluded from returning to play for the first team of the loaning club during the window ((Sept-Jan) and Feb-May)) and could potentiall (the FA haven't tested this) kill any opportunity for the player to ever be loaned abroad).}

24 Aug 2016 16:19:42
Ed002: thanks - it's a minefield and no-one is sure where to step!

24 Aug 2016 08:05:19
So David Moyes tells his Centre Back that he's going no where.
Sure I heard exactly the same a few years ago!

24 Aug 2016 13:44:02
If Moyes believes that Sunderland are in for a relegation battle, why won't he let ambitious players leave to further their careers at clubs likely to be more successful? He was all for that when at Everton - and he'll get good money for the player (s) just like he did at Goodison.

{Ed002's Note - But only if they can be replaced.}

24 Aug 2016 15:39:17
He's basically saying you can only have him if Jags comes the other way.

24 Aug 2016 07:58:23
I'll always respect Moyes for what he did in his time here but I think he's had an awful start at Sunderland and they're in real trouble. I think the last 3 years might have had a really damaging effect.
Firstly, to publically say they are in a relegation fight is odd.
Secondly, to say yesterday "This club will attract a certain type of player and until we're in a much higher league position, only then we can attract much better" and then:
"The quality of the players that Sunderland can get at the moment are probably not what I've been buying in the last six years, or what I've had in the Premier League - not anywhere close to it. "
Unless misquoted, I think those statements should be a grave concern to Sunderland fans. He also started doing that weird referring to himself in the third person *cough cough Breakdown cough cough*
Parky_1982 is concerned. Ah well, can we have Kone please and stop messin about.