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28 Nov 2016 10:40:32
In his Sharkopod the other day, Ed002 gave some interesting info on Everton's possible incoming and outgoing transfer activity. He gave caveats to these comments, not least because of the ongoing changes to Everton's scouting and recruitment setup.
He mentioned that Everton might listen to offers for David Henen, which isn't that surprising, as the player hasn't broken through to first-team reckoning. However, I was taken aback when it was suggested that the club might also listen to offers for Liam Walsh. If Ed002 meant a loan, then I could understand that, but it sounded to me that a permanent move was being mooted. As Ed002 is proven to be well-informed and well-connected, I am concerned that the club would consider permanently releasing one of our bright young talents. I hope I just misheard or misunderstood the comment.

Cowpat Sid 2

{Ed002's Note - The club would like to keep him but are aware of interest. If they can come up with a plan for him going forward for a couple of years that would help.}


1.) 28 Nov 2016 10:57:46
Ed002: thanks for clarifying this.


2.) 28 Nov 2016 18:40:36
I personally see Walsh and Davies as the future midfield pairing of efc. I hope we keep both of these.

{Ed025's Note - they still have a lot to prove but yes why not, i would like to see a bit more of our youngsters being given a chance fanatic..


3.) 28 Nov 2016 22:19:41
We have several other very promising U23/ U18 players, but it's vital that when (if? ) they get first-team opportunities that they deliver performances that convince RK they're worthy of a place in the first-team squad. If they don't continue working hard and productively at U23/ U18 level, they won't get first-team opportunities - and, even more importantly imho, if they don't do what RK wants when they're selected for the first-team, then RK will eventually bring in players who do. It's surely that simple?

{Ed025's Note - ron has never really been famous for bringing youth through to be honest sid, im hoping that its because the talent at other clubs has not been as strong as it is at everton but im guessing there mate..


4.) 28 Nov 2016 22:32:49
Ed025: if RK's three-year project is to make Everton European qualifiers, then he may well not want to risk that by blooding inexperienced U23/ U18 players.

{Ed025's Note - thats certainly a fair point sid but i would hope if the young guys are good enough they will be given a shot at least, otherwise having an academy would be pointless mate..


5.) 28 Nov 2016 23:00:24
Ed025: your point about the value of having an academy is one I raised in a post a few days ago - although I wasn't advocating its closure, but rather just seeking other fans' opinions.

{Ed025's Note - im a big fan of the academy system sid but there must be a means to an end, it does seem at times that we are developing players for the championship loan market and im not too happy about that, dont get me wrong i dont expect a wayne rooney every season but i would like to see one or two at least getting on the bench or maybe a run out in a league cup game, it must be soul destroying for these kids who work as hard as they can to make a career for themselves overlooked for a player who obviously has no future at the club (kone being a prime example).give these young guys a shot i say, if they are not good enough then fair enough but we wont know unless they are given a chance, im sure the majority of supporters would be in favour of a policy similar to that mate..


6.) 29 Nov 2016 17:25:25
The players are there and are good enough if givin the chance, just off the top of my he's mustafi dyer Baines all at efc at some point but released, and am sure there are many more, seems to me the prob is too impatient for them to develop. Maybe the prob is that they need a more competitive competition to regularly showcase there talant. I know the club try find this for the promising players but maybe not enough if these players keep slipping through yet obvs turn out to be very good pl players. Maybe a b team that can play against other professional teams not academy teams I dnt know if it is allowed or can be done bu isn't that what Barcelona do? I know they have a b team I don't know if they play in proper pro leagues like Barcelona or its just Spanish academy leagues. I might sound stupid sayin this Bu just a thought.

{Ed001's Note - they play in the Spanish league system and it has destroyed the lower leagues, to the point where they do not even have two full divisions of fully pro teams because of it. The answer is to have a proper academy that doesn't just buy players from around the world, but works on developing local players. Athletic Bilbao are the model to follow, not the government assisted cheats of Real Madrid and Barcelona.}


7.) 29 Nov 2016 18:10:50
A good point that Ed001 I didn't realise that it had damaged the lower leagues so badly, not a huge follower of Spanish football just the odd game here and there on Sky.
On the point of loaning players I think there have been a few examples of where this hasn't worked out well, loans cut short for lack of game time! For certain players surely the championship isn't a bad league for development, it's still a tough division.

{Ed001's Note - it has been a disaster for them, people here in Spain now only really care about Barca or Madrid, they have taken most of the following from the rest. It would be a disaster in the English leagues if that happened. We have the most professional clubs in the world, there is no way most could survive if this were to happen.}


 

 

20 Nov 2016 16:40:21
I can imagine that some transfers drag out to the end - or only arise at the end - of the window because sellers/ buyers want the best deals and are waiting to see who blinks first.
That and other deals in the chain may have to be in place.
Or it's last-minute panic buys.
Whatever the reason, Everton must NOT leave any January incoming transfers until the very end of the window.
We need cover for Gana and Bolasie from the start of January at the very least.
Money's no longer an issue - financial fair play notwithstanding - so although we'd like to negotiate good value, we have to stump up or forget about getting the right quality.
I want he deals in place now and those deals officially completed at the start of January.
Anyone really believe that will happen - or will Everton drag its heels as in the past?

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{Ed002's Note - January is a difficult time to do business as clubs don't want to sell and those players involved in Europe don't want to move. However, this January is going to see a number of the "leading" European clubs doing some significant business. It is fair to say that Everton will eb looking at making changes in January but they may not be able to bring in teh players they want and common sense dfictates waiting until the summer rather than buying for the sake of it. Certainly they have declared an interest in a number of players but that itself generally means little. So right now it is a little bit of a lottery and with the recent ins and outs on the scouting front there may yet be a change of direction.}


1.) 20 Nov 2016 17:01:00
Ed002: thanks for your insight - informative as always.

{Ed002's Note - Even with the typos Sid.}


2.) 21 Nov 2016 07:55:46
Ed, how are you getting on with the podcast thing about our transfer plans?

{Ed002's Note - If all goes well this morning it will be done this afternoon Cropper.}


3.) 21 Nov 2016 09:57:21
Brilliant, I look forward to it!


4.) 21 Nov 2016 18:02:51
Podcast thing? Is that something different to posting on here?

{Ed002's Note - The Everton Sharkopod is done and will soon be posted by Ed033 for you.}


5.) 21 Nov 2016 22:57:01
Thanks Ed.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome. I will do an update ST when things start taking shape - which may be late December or even in to January. I am travelling for a while now so need to prioritise some other Sharkopods first - then we will start looping around and pick up on updates - but only if you are all good and have credit cards available - I appreciate you are from Liverpool so it doesn't need to be your own credit card. We will have some Christmas gifts, standard stuff - #WonderDogSparky tee shirts, small bags of hair clippings from the soles of Ed007's feet packaged with some Rizlas, signed Ed025 photgraphs (landscape format) and my Anger Management video (Betamax).}


 

 

03 Oct 2016 23:47:26
I have a question for any of you that watch the Everton U23 matches. My understanding is that the following young players in our U23 squad will be classed as aged-over-21 next summer and will have to be included in the 25-man full squad in order to be eligible for Premier Legue fixtures: Byrne, Duffus C., Grant, Gray and Jones G.

My question is this:
based on what you've seen of these players, which of them do you think will get in our first team squad, which will be sent out on loan next season for more experience, which will be kept but only for our U23 side, and which will be released?

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1.) 04 Oct 2016 10:48:06
If I'm being honest I probably haven't seen enough to have a truly informed idea, but from what I do know, I would suggest that Gray and Byrne will not be kept on. Gray hasn't featured this season, and Byrne has been injured quite a bit. The rest will probably be kept on, but loaned out or just kept in the U23s. Gethin Jones is probably the closest to a first team squad slot, but there are a few youngsters in competition with him and he's unlikely to get a place.


 

 

03 Sep 2016 11:47:16
What's the real story (and that doesn't mean dubious social media gossip) about Everton taking out another financial loan?
The only loan definitely taken out by the club recently that has been officially reported is Enner Valencia from West Ham :-)

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1.) 04 Sep 2016 00:25:23
EFC remains in control of some ofshore entity.


2.) 04 Sep 2016 20:49:30
What's that even mean lance.


 

 

31 Aug 2016 22:24:27
Tottenham can offer Champions Legue football AND the bright lights of Lodon. That makes it a no-brainer for many players - especially foreign ones. C"est la vie.

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1.) 31 Aug 2016 22:28:50
Sid did we really want him or was it a last minute desperate move to appease the fans?


2.) 31 Aug 2016 22:30:57
Although I would have been happy with him it did look like a desperation move because we couldn't get any other targets.


3.) 31 Aug 2016 22:32:27
Disappointed that we've not signed any of the big names that have been thrown about recently but, at the same time, I'm not at all disappointed about Sissoko.

To me, this felt like a bit of a panic buy and doesn't seem the attitude of the player has improved from last season either.

Koeman's bought very good players over the course of the summer, now let's see how the team does and then look to strengthen in January, if need be.


4.) 31 Aug 2016 22:41:34
No ones made a big signing today!


5.) 31 Aug 2016 22:42:53
Everton bought 2 good players early and I hope he does go and we get a good Manager like we should have in first place.


6.) 31 Aug 2016 22:51:20
Slimani? Luiz? Sissoko to Spurs? Wilshere? Alonso? Other than that your right.


7.) 01 Sep 2016 07:22:51
Slimani? Leicester have champions league to offer, we don't. Sissoko? Stitched us up like a kipper, turned his phone off and ran to the big smoke. Again, champs league for him at spurs. Luiz? haha really? Wilshire? Spends more time with the physio's, we would never be interested. Alonso? Big player? Not even worth a comment on him really.


8.) 31 Aug 2016 23:28:58
We've pulled out of the deal now according to sky.


 

 

 

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29 Dec 2016 01:47:38
Whether or not Barkley (or any other player come to that) has talent is not the question - he clearly is a talented footballer. The question is whether or not he can apply his talent to the pattern of play (formation, tactics, etc. ) that the current manger wants to use. One could apply this criterion to many of Everton's current squad.

We fans have our own particular favourites - which imho are often based on wishful thinking (looking through blue-tinted glasses) and enjoying occasional flashes of good play rather than seeing consistently effective and productive performances - and we partisan fans would hate to see our heroes leave our club.

However, we must surely accept that it's for RK make that decision - even if we think it's wrong to release (or retain or sign come to that! ) certain players
If some players don't fit, then they're not at fault or bad players, they just aren't the right player at the right time for the manager's team at that moment in time.
Even if a player does leave and is successful elsewhere, that doesn't mean he'd have been a success here if he'd stayed - be that under the current manager or under any future manager.

I really do think the secret (if there is any secret! ) of football management is about getting the right blend of individuals to become a team; to complement and balance each other's skills within the team-shape; to get them working hard as individuals and as a group; to motivate them so as to give them confidence and self-belief and trust in each other and their common purpose; to build a team-spirit, mental toughness, and winning attitude: and finally to have them enjoying being part of a successful team playing in front of devoted fans.

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1.) 29 Dec 2016 08:46:53
You do put some cracking posts on here Sid. I agree yet again wholeheartedly with all you say. And if you don't mind, I will remind people of a time when I was still up on the Wirral and watching every home game. We had a young lad called Steve McMahon who had just broken through to the first team. I can't remember if Howard Kendall had taken over, but Steve McMahon was a gritty hard tackling yet somewhat skillfull player. We really needed someone like him at the time.

But EFC in their wisdom decided to sell this promising kid to Aston Villa. I think the majority of fans were gobsmacked and upset. Of course the lad went on to have a wonderful career with our arch rivals. What we didn't know at the time was that fee was used to fund the purchase of one Trevor Steven. This lad went on to win 10 league titles, 8 cup competitions, 4 charity sheilds and if it had not been for the European ban would probably won more Euro cups.

Ok a lot of the titles were with Rangers, but which player can spout those sort of statistics in the modern game? Probably Ronaldo and Messi. So was it correct to sell McMahon? As it happens, McMahon won 3 titles, 2 FA Cups and 4 charity sheilds with you know who! So who can tell what will pan out?


2.) 29 Dec 2016 15:29:28
Howard Kendall was manager and Mcmahon wanted to go because he believed that Kendall did not know what he was doing, of course he was wrong as things turned out.


3.) 29 Dec 2016 22:41:30
I think you have missed my point Milom. Yes we lost McMahon. but we gained one of the best midfielders our club has ever seen. and Kendall actually stated that he sold McMahon to fund the Steven purchase. The point I was trying to make is that it is a double edged sword. Youcan look at it that we lost a geaat player. or you can look at it that we signed a great player that contributed to our greatest moments in history.


4.) 30 Dec 2016 18:07:32
Swapping Barkley for Sissoko would be like swapping a pound for a penny.

I'm all for improving the team and if we are going to get a better player then of course that is my priority. That goes for any player that has ever played or ever will play for Everton as I support the club before the player.


 

 

29 Dec 2016 00:54:31
If the Lookman transfer (or any other deal supposedly in the offing) doesn't happen, just watch the fragile morale of our fickle fans explode into a torrent of hysteria and abuse on social media.

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1.) 29 Dec 2016 01:19:31
We will get at least 3 players in, perhaps 5, I have every confidence in the new owner, the years of bill promising the moon, then failing to deliver, are, OVER.


2.) 29 Dec 2016 01:19:31
We will get at least 3 players in, perhaps 5, I have every confidence in the new owner, the years of bill promising the moon, then failing to deliver, are, OVER.


3.) 29 Dec 2016 01:32:36
Agree Sid, hope to god we get a few players in because I'd have to stay away from the internet rather than listen to the doom and gloom merchants!
Even the first reply to your post says it all tbh. Don't remember BK promising anything. I do remember he had the balls to step up and raise the cash to get the club from the man who was ripping us off and taking us to the lower divisions though. If the rest of the board stepped up at that time then things may have been different. Not much a millionaire can do in a billionaires game tbf.


4.) 29 Dec 2016 10:46:12
Can only see us with 3 new faces Depay, Schneiderlin, Lookman I'll take that.


5.) 29 Dec 2016 12:35:52
I'd take that AB but would really like a creative midfielder like Banega and maybe Keane at the back if I'm being greedy. I hope we are but I don't think we are going for Schneiderlin.


 

 

24 Dec 2016 07:31:31
I expect Everton - and every other club - to be gathering information about many, many players, and to be regularly monitoring them via their scouting network, and to have "registered an interest" (whatever that might mean! ) in a select few of them, and even to be actively pursuing the possibility of an actual transfer.
I've little doubt that the various clubs' scouts and staff, the players' agents and representatives, the journalists and pundits, etc., know each other well and stories in the media will originate from some conversation or some sighting at a particular match or event.
I'd also imagine that there are plenty of stories with little or no factual evidence to back them up, but rather are speculation to fill column-inches in newspapers or be click-bait on websites.
As long as newspapers are being read and websites are getting hits, then the advertising revenue will keep coming -, and that's surely what the publishers want.
A real problem is that only a handful of transfer stories in the media are actually original (let alone "exclusive"! ) - most are repeated by websites, blogs, other journos, etc., that trawl the internet, etc., for any reference to a club or player.
The fact that the same story appears in many places does NOT make it any more true, . On the other hand, it doesn't mean that the story doesn't have some credibility. It's up to the fans to take these stories with a pinch of salt and try not to get too carried away.

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1.) 24 Dec 2016 08:32:21
It may also cause the creation of specific club banter page and rumour page web-sites Sid. So that the club's fans can share all this info and even create some new rumours that are based on "gut feel" and nothing much else!


2.) 24 Dec 2016 17:08:27
Snodgrass at Hull better than Barclay?


3.) 24 Dec 2016 19:44:43
Are you nutts?


 

 

24 Dec 2016 06:39:04
In our currently registered Premier League aged-over-21 squad, we have 25 (the maximum allowed ) players.
Of these, 13 are non-homegrown, while the remaining 12 are homegrown.
Some of our homegrown players might surprise you, but they qualify as such because of the time they spent at English (or Welsh) clubs before they turned 21.
The 13 non-homegrown players are: Besic, Bolasie, Coleman, Deulofeu, Funes Mori, Gana, Kone, Mirallas, Niasse, Oviedo, Robles, Stekelenburg and Valencia.
The 12 homegrown players are: Baines, Barkley, Barry, Browning, Cleverley, Gibson, Jagielka, Lennon, Lukaku, McCarthy, Pennington and Williams.
We also have 4 other aged-over-21 players who are not registered in our squad (they were either sent out on loan or just plain omitted) : 2 non-homegrown (McGeady and Rodriguez) and 2 homegrown (Garbutt and McAleny) . By the way, I never understood why Niasse was actually included in the squad, as RK was never going to select him to play.
Our younger players (Holgate, Calvert-Levin, Davies, etc. ) won't have to be named in the 25-man squad until they turn 21.
We are allowed no more than 17 non-homegrown players in the registered aged-over-21 squad, so we are comfortably within that at present. All other players in the squad must therefore (obviously! ) be homegrown.
For European competition squads (CL and EL) , the rules for registering homegrown players and aged-under-21 players are even stricter, but that's not relevant to Everton this season - and maybe not next!
It'll be interesting imho to see how the balance of the squad changes during the January (and then the Summer) transfer window.

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21 Dec 2016 04:42:18
Losing the derby was a blow - especially to such a late, late goal - and suffering the taunts of the darkside fans yet again is an all too familiar and painful experience, BUT we must not lose sight of where we're coming from and what we're aiming for.
It'd be great to defeat them AND to finish above them AND to be immediately challenging for the top six (let alone the top four! ) , BUT our energies should be focussed on catching up as a club (both on and off the field) with ALL of the clubs that have overtaken us in the past 30 years.
For the first time since Sir John Moores, we have an owner in Mr Moshiri who has the personal funds - and clear intention - to deliver a new stadium and improved commercial deals, and a recruitment staff led by a proven talent finder, and a first-team manager who's a winner and was a great player, and an U23/ U18 setup that has promising players with talent and winning mentalities.
Add in the loyal supporters (who have shown their true spirit and voices in the two latest home fixtures) and we might be on the gradual path to where we'd like to be.
It'll be a hard slog to turn around all those years of fear, uncertainty and doubt and to instil a true winning mentality (not arrogance) throughout the club - all while staying true to the ethos of the "people's club" and its crucial role in the community.
Let's make Howard Kendall, Dixie Dean, Alan Ball, Brian Labone and every one of the great Evertonians, past and present. proud of what we are carrying on in their wonderful Royal Blue Schhol of Science tradition.
Nil satis nisi optimum.

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1.) 21 Dec 2016 07:26:01
Ditto Sid. Excellent post.


2.) 21 Dec 2016 07:36:37
That sums up my view on things too Sid. We were left behind. but now it is time for the process of doing things right for the future. That alone is comfort to me after a few years of anguish.


3.) 21 Dec 2016 10:43:34
Well said, Sid.


4.) 21 Dec 2016 11:10:12
Thing is Sid, they are not that great and we are only a couple of players short of competing with them.
The difference i found was they are a well drilled well organised side and each player knows there role and as much as it hurts the are a team who look like they have unity on all fronts, something we lack.
Hopefully next season will be the season we see ourselves as a team with the right personell to adapt to the high press style of play the ager wants.


 

 

 

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29 Dec 2016 02:03:21
Don't you just love predictive text and auto-correction - "any efc INTESTINAL in roque mesa".
I've lost count of the number of times I've been caught out - embarrassingly so!

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29 Dec 2016 01:02:40
Just like there are "lies, damned lies, and statistics", there are 'transfer rumours, damned transfer rumours, and Everton banter'.

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24 Dec 2016 12:26:11
Whatever the fans may say - and they're free to do so and they may be proven right - it's down to RK to decide who's in his team and if that means Sissoko rather than Barkley then so be it.

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24 Dec 2016 06:50:46
This is just the media presenting a pretty obvious speculation imho.
I posed this very issue a few days ago in order to gauge the opinions of our posters - not only about the possibility of losing Barkley, but also (more importantly) about the prospect of bringing in Sissoko, especially after the way he reportedly behaved towards us during the Summer transfer window.

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21 Dec 2016 07:10:41
Twoold2: ho-ho-ho.

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24 Dec 2016 12:34:21
If Geri doesn't fit into RK's plans, then better to move the player on and bring in others that will.

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24 Dec 2016 12:31:31
The sign at Finch Farm reads something like: Hard work will beat talent if talent doesn't work hard.
It's a cliche, but it holds true in football in my experience.

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24 Dec 2016 10:53:54
Barkley has surely had better players around him when selected for England (although I accept that's questionable! ) and he's not set the world alight, so it's still a moot point imho regarding his true effectiveness.

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24 Dec 2016 08:05:27
All this media chat by pundits about whether or not Barkley should leave Everton for the sake of HIS career is irrelevant imho. It's the needs of Everton Football Club that must surely come first in this situation.
The club employs Ronald Koeman as manager and its up to him to select the player (s) he wants in his team and squad. If any player is not part of his plans, then the club should imho move that player out asap. If the club start dictating who can and who cannot be transferred in and out (subject to finance of course! ) , then the manager's position becomes untenable. At Everton, we've seen previous mangers (Kendall and Royle) resign on this principle.
Of course, I don't wish any ill will on Barkley - and he deserves the best career he can have - but if, at 23, he's not producing what the manager wants, then replace him with a player that hopefully will.
There are no absolute guarantees that a new player joining us would be an improvement, and a player leaving us might indeed flourish elsewhere, BUT there comes a point with every player when the time (or the price! ) is right and he should move on.
It's such a pity when so much obvious talent hasn't delivered consistent performances - just occasional flashes of brilliance and all too frequent instances of frustration and poor decision making. If I knew the answer, I'd be a manager earning millions and winning trophies, but I don't and so I'm just an opinionated fan hoping to enjoy a successful Everton.

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21 Dec 2016 07:40:11
Ed025: I thought you'd pooh-pooh the idea of keeping Geri. I think that's enough scatalogical humour before breakfast!

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{Ed025's Note - me too sid..