Everton banter 2

01 May 2024 22:13:46
Was listening to a podcast on the Blue Room today where they were discussing at length about our financial issues. Well worth a listen.
Anyway a question was asked about when Moshiri decided to pull the money and they felt it was around Ancelotti's time.
It got me thinking about the managers/ coaches we've had and who caused this issue. I know money is/ was a problem and we don't know the half of what was going on but it was the employment of Benitez when I felt it all started to crumble. He got rid of half our decent players, a lot of the backroom staff and our Director of football left. For me he is the major cause of the on field issues. What's everyone else's thoughts?

02 May 2024 07:20:47
I think it was Koeman when it all started to go down hill. The biggest mistake was selling Lukaku and not replacing him. All I can really remember of his signings was £50m for siggurdson £25m klassen and rooney. Not sure if he bought bolassie schnederlin keane Ramirez as well.
Regarding Benitez I think his hands were tied financially and he had to get rid of all the players otherwise we wouldve been in more crap and only signings I remember were mykelenko and Patterson after digne was sold. I think he was given a situation like sean dyche regarding finances just that we didn't know about it or want to believe it and us fans knew even less about FFP back then compared to the nothing we understand about it know.
Just my opinion going off what I remember which I'm sure I've forgotten some other key facts.

02 May 2024 07:52:57
We massively overspent on fees and wages from the time Koeman arrived, a scatter gun approach on whoever was available which created an unbalanced squad. Under Ancellotti, players like Rodriguez and Allan crippled our wage bill. We’ve never recovered. The opportunity was there to build a squad that could compete at the top end of the stadium, you’d have to say that recruitment has been woeful.

02 May 2024 10:40:33
Started to go wrong once the banners came out, get rid of Martinez. Basically (and we are all guilty of this) , dollar signs were seen and impatience was the theme. It took about 3/ 4 years for City to get going and their vault was never ending.

02 May 2024 11:29:39
I totally agree with that DFS. Martinez was ok for me. Just needed defensive help.

02 May 2024 12:18:54
Whereas Dyche just needs offensive help Nick.

02 May 2024 15:57:32
Short memories! Martinet deserved to go, we were shocking in his last season. If anything got him the sack it was his refusal to practice set pieces, his ineptitude at organising a defence and he is the man who bought Kone and Alvarez.
Those two signings could well be the reason FM wanted to go down the DoF route rather than trust a manager to buy his own players!

02 May 2024 16:17:15
BP but we were not going down! It was impatience and dollar signs in our eyes. Friends and neighbours like Moshiri listened to instead of football men were the other reason.

{Ed025's Note - very much so DFS..

02 May 2024 18:05:51
All I'm saying mate is that we were on a downwards trajectory under RM and I don't think he had it in him to arrest the slide. He had a great season with Wigan in the prem but they soon went the other way. His problem, like a lot of managers since (including our current manager) was that he was too stubborn to change. Nice fella but, imo, he's more suited to international football than he is club management.
At the time it was the right decision and you could make a case against any of the others too. The sackings were right for the most part, it was the new appointments that FM and Co never got right.

02 May 2024 22:08:35
Don’t forget that City may have taken 3-4 years but they may not have done it legally… my lawyer has asked I include the word allegedly in there somewhere just in case.

03 May 2024 09:45:43
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. But how many of us were disappointed when Moshiri came in, and then hired Koeman?
I like many thought this is it, this is the start of something big.
At the time I had no complaints about the players they were bringing in, and to be honest didn't care about what they were paying them.
Move to present day, and we now see were that has got us.

01 May 2024 15:57:03
When F/M Bought into Everton, we were told he was a billionaire. So now he has decided to get out, why the need to borrow 200m from 777, surely he is able to return their money, and get it back from a new buyer (which we're told they're are forming a queue).

Unless he never had the cash in the first place, and was just a fount for his Russian friend, bloody inconsiderate of Putin to go and start a war just when we were getting back on our feet.

01 May 2024 17:39:05
Just because he’s a billionaire doesn’t necessarily mean he has lots of cash - he could be a billionaire due to assets he has.

{Ed025's Note - i suspect it was Usmanov money all along Dan..

02 May 2024 04:37:06
Spot on Ed. And aren't 777 billionaire's in assets aswell All I can see off the pitch is more DOOM AND GLOOM. But I do hope I'm wrong. COYB'S.

{Ed025's Note - its always something with us RON, we beat the cheats who stole our points, then against all odds we staved off relegation with a thread bare squad, then the worry of if the ground would be finished...now its possible administration!, is there any more crap they can fling at us mate?...its a good job we are EVERTON, COYB, UTFT..

03 May 2024 09:49:06
If it hadn't been for that loony Putin then an awful lot of this many never have happened.
Moshiri being the face of this mob means that he cops all the flack. When in reality he was probably doing what he was told allegedly :)

01 May 2024 13:54:29
It is no secret to any of us that we have to sell our assets this summer, most likely, Onana and Jared. But we also have a Mr Jordan Pickford on the books.

Through all his own doing, he has built a reputation over the years for being a bit of a loose cannon with his decision making and having a howler in him. However, I think these are characteristics of his past and in the last 2-3 seasons now, I can't think of many mistakes that he has made. His level of consistency has gone up and so has his maturity. He has almost single-handily kept this club in the PL more than once.

The lad is sitting 2 clean sheets off the golden glove and is comfortably England's no.1, where he has barely put a foot wrong in the major tournaments. He has just shy of 300 PL appearances to his name and 60 for his country.

Taking the above into account and the fact we paid £25 million for him back in 2017, I think it takes the absolute proverbial that he is priced constantly at around 30m.

Arsenal paid £24 million for Ramsdale, after back to back relegations a few years back. Onana cost United over £40 million. Granted the lad played in a Champions League final but Pickford has played in just as big a game in the Euro's/ World Cup and has clearly out-performed him in the league this season.

If we are 'forced' to let Jordan go this summer, we should be asking for top dollar and nothing less. It is time we start acting in the same way that other clubs do when teams start coming for their players.

02 May 2024 16:08:02
I agree that he is worth more than what has been quoted but the transfer market is a different animal since both us and Forest were docked points. In January, no team wanted to spend for fear of reprisals if they sailed too close to the ffp wind. I think clubs will be watching what they spend over the next few windows which could even see transfer fees dropping considerably.
We are also ripe for the vultures to swoop in, all knowing we need the cash quickly. It's a mess but, on the bright side, it's only upwards from here.

01 May 2024 07:31:20
The var discussions, OK the first 1 I don't think is, the handball is one that could be given, depending on opinions, but the 3rd. ?. OK I know it worked in our favour but wtf are they seeing that most fans can't! We dodged a bullet but, I'd rather these things be correct. If only so we don't receive a dodgy decision!

02 May 2024 10:48:11
Many have gone against us and many others have suffered the same fate. VAR has strayed from its' original intention. The Premier League and its' 'improvements' has also deteriorated the product.

30 Apr 2024 09:33:37
See 777 airline has gone into administration. That's a little worrying don't you think.

30 Apr 2024 11:24:31
That's a Bonza of a story there mate :-) Maybe if we sell the whole team we can bail them out.

30 Apr 2024 11:35:27
Yeah could have a knock on effect.

30 Apr 2024 11:56:24
Can't see it taking off!

{Ed025's Note - love it cookie..

30 Apr 2024 12:01:19
I wonder if Bonza’s fleet was made up of Boeing 777’s? ……


…. I’ll get my coat and quietly shut the door behind me.

30 Apr 2024 13:16:04
Always hoped the 777 take over wouldn't make it off the ground.

30 Apr 2024 08:53:22
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, West Ham United v Liverpool - A Quick Liverpool Perspective

30 Apr 2024 08:17:43
See Man U have put their whole Team up for sale, wouldn't mind if most of ours went.

30 Apr 2024 08:56:29
Dont worry GB we will be loosing 8 out of contract players and probably Onana who we will need to sell be left with:

GK- Pickford Vaginia
Def Patterson Godfrey Keane Tarky Branthwiate Myko
Mid Garner McNiel Doucoure Onyango
For- DCL Beto Chimiti Dobbiin

With Vaginia Keane Godfrey Doucoure Onyango Dobbin DCL contracts expiring in 2025 so we may well sell some early.

30 Apr 2024 10:12:03
Add Branthwaite to the list of exits too I reckon.

30 Apr 2024 11:27:06
That side is frightening and not in a good way.

Time for Kev to earn his quiche.

29 Apr 2024 08:26:25
Any truth in the report this morning I've read that 777 have been given a deadline of the end April by Everton.

Apparently a new bidder is ready and waiting! I'm assuming now we are safe things can start to move one way or another.

29 Apr 2024 10:04:32
Also our street cred has risen, no going down so must be worth more.

29 Apr 2024 11:45:44
Secure spot in the Prem for next year, state of the art stadium on the horizon, some of the best training facilities in the country. Yes, we need to continue to address the wage bill and reset our approach to spending over the next couple of years, but you’d still think that this is an attractive proposition for investors.

29 Apr 2024 12:34:32
Not sure we are worth more, if someone else comes in they need to pay an extra £200m to clear the debt to 777 I suspect??‍♂️.

29 Apr 2024 13:08:58
Not sure clearing the debt to 777 is the highest priority - numerous reports suggest they are way down the list of creditors.

29 Apr 2024 15:25:22
We’d have lost a lot more than 200 million languishing in the Championship for however long it would take us to get back up.

{Ed002's Note - The critical date will be mid-May when the MSP debt needs to be repaid.}

29 Apr 2024 15:50:00
A new bidder waiting. Will they be any better than 777? Do we know who they could be?

29 Apr 2024 18:41:58
Well it’s a good opportunity for someone to come in and do a bit of asset stripping to make a tidy profit.

29 Apr 2024 03:56:56
Looks like the possible sale of Braithwaite is the most likely way of balancing the books.
ManUtd are sniffing around so what would be the sensible price?
I have a horrible feeling that we will see Maguire in Royal Blue next season as part of a player plus cash deal.

29 Apr 2024 08:13:57
I don't see Maguire taking a big enough pay cut to sign for us and I wouldn't want him anyway

Branthwaite - I wouldn't take less than 75m and would hope an auction takes it higher.

29 Apr 2024 08:15:12
Whatever they very rarely pay the full amount up front anyway, so would hope the club try to keep him. Onana would be my first preference to sell, lads hardly played anyway.

29 Apr 2024 09:02:24
I can also confirm utd have been making enquiries for branthwaite, hopefully don't end up with any of utds deadwood and don't end up getting are trolleys pulled down on price.

29 Apr 2024 10:10:35
The club have the 4th best goals against in the Premiership this season. Credit to Pickford, Tarkowski, Branthwaite and a mix of fullbacks. I feel it’s best to continue that into next season if possible. I know finances will take priority but the club should try and hang on to Branthwaite for as long as possible, but if he has to go then demand maximum money they can get. Any replacement for him will probably less quality.

It looks like a new RB may be required as Patterson doesn’t seem to fit the managers needs

Any money they have to spend on players needs to go in midfield and attack. Onana has offered nothing in my eyes and Doucoure is questionable as some of his efforts on goal this season have been shocking to say the least.

Wonder if they can find a new Kendall, Ball and Harvey trio types of player somewhere that would solve a lot of issues.

I sit on the fence regarding Dyche continuing to move the club forward and new owners may have their own ideas as to who they want. Some posters have offered suggestions like Led Carsley, who would be a good shout. Although lacking club management experience he will have a good knowledge of all good young players coming up.

Would anyone consider Moyes coming in to replace Thelwall, as Thelwall has questions about his recruitment so far.

29 Apr 2024 11:39:59
It’s not all Dyche fault he’s inherited most of that team, plus the points deduction on top and mismanagement of the club from above him.

29 Apr 2024 13:21:21
If we take anything less than £75 million for Jared, to me it just shows that we are still operating in the same old way and nothing has changed.

All this talk of us having to accept a lesser offer because of our predicament is bull. It doesn't and shouldn't change the value of the player that is on the market. If a team wants him, then they should pay what we value him at, especially a team as diabolical as United, who clearly NEED a lad of his talent and scope. The lad is 21 years of age and is already one of the best CB's in the toughest league in the world. It is unlikely that he plays at the Euro's because Southgate is a melt but if he does, his value will only increase or knowing our luck he will get injured and be out for a season haha!

Before anyone comes back with an argument that we are dreaming to ask for such an amount for Jared. Wesley Fofana was sold by Leicester to Chelsea for £75 million in 2022. Fofana had played 20 games in the French league with St Etienne and then 1 full-is season in the PL with Leicester. He broke his leg after that and played a handful of games for them before playing for Chelsea and getting a season-long injury again, having scored 1 goal in his 40+ Prem appearances. He has won the FA Cup with Leicester.

In comparison Jared has gained experience in 4 different leagues already, some in the physically demanding lower leagues of English football. He is 6ft 5 and left-footed, which already makes him a rare commodity in the game. He has scored 4 PL goals in 40+ appearances, won the Dutch Cup with PSV and the European Cup with England U21's.

It is evident which of the two is better PL defender based on the eye-test alone. In todays market with the likes of Caceido, Fernandez, Fofana, Antony, Gvardiol, Maguire, Nunez, Sancho, Cucurella and many more going for stupid fees. 75 m for big Jazza is a steal. That is the absolute minimum that we should take but I would be asking for a lot more to test the mettle of the sides who claim to want him.

29 Apr 2024 13:47:46
Braithwaite needs to stay at everton if he goes to say man utd with an 80 million price tag their toxic fans will ruin his career same as sancho there's no better place for Jared.

29 Apr 2024 16:24:01
For the record Branthwaite is two footed and so is comfortable playing right or left.

29 Apr 2024 18:44:49
Oh and we also have to pay his old club Carlisle a percentage fee for any sell on.

28 Apr 2024 17:15:53
Not a fan of Dyche, but, think we all owe him a debt of thanks, he has, under the most extreme difficulties, saved our club from
disaster.
Is he the man to take us forward,? I don't know, but if he wants to, and is able to do so, without his hands being tired behind his back in a financial seance, then I think he has earned the chance.

28 Apr 2024 18:09:18
Spot on intheblue. Echoed those sentiments myself. ?.

28 Apr 2024 18:17:41
Add to that intheblue. Majority on here asked for stability at the beginning of the season, now they want to rock the boat further after the guy has done his remit. Not pretty no, effective yes.

2nd most clean sheets in league, decent top4-10 XG all season and fought off the PTS deductions we would have been challenging 12th-10th finish.

Next season could potentially be worse for charges and squad strength yet people think we are going to be a attractive proposition for any up and coming manager or player, throw them in deep end hey.

Think patience and reality check very much needed at times, we are far out of the woods as a club, stability was asked for, stability is needed imo.

28 Apr 2024 18:41:06
The fact that we are safe in April having had 8 points deducted is quite something and they way the team have responded since Chelsea is very pleasing indeed - SD clearly had the players behind him.

The problem is that it’s not great to watch and when we’re bad we’re awful and the team are clearly a form team, some dreadful runs followed by some exceptional ones.

We will probably be much weaker next year if Branthwaite and Onana go and there’s no guarantee of any money to replace them.

It’s tough being an Evertonian, but it’s great!

28 Apr 2024 18:49:13
We would be insane to let dyche go nobody else would get that current team playing and winning our last 3 young upcoming managers are why we are where we are . imagine lampard silva or kooman still here we would be well gone by now Tracky Dyche is the man.

28 Apr 2024 19:01:55
I absolutely appreciate what he has done. Of course until our financial state is stablised we are not attractive. Stadium is key. Get that and takeover sorted, then we can (if still muted) address do we need a Dyche to lead us forward.

28 Apr 2024 19:10:45
You know three games ago everyone was for binning Dyche, how times change ?.

28 Apr 2024 20:38:45
I still am ?.

28 Apr 2024 20:42:02
He implied recently that the job he was sold hasn’t really been the same as what has happened. I read into that the transfer choices and all the finances malarkey that has resulted in point deductions. He’s done well with what he has and it could get a lot worse than better in the next 12 months. His style of football is not our future but until we can afford to get in better, we are stuck with Dycheball for at least another season. Let’s hope he can get us finishing higher than 15th.

29 Apr 2024 08:21:17
So he’s saying he wouldn’t have signed that massive contract and taken the job on if he’d known different. Yea because clubs were queuing up for him weren’t they.

29 Apr 2024 08:43:00
I think he's saying exactly what the majority of managers that went before him have also alluded to. That the job description was different to the actual reality of the situation.
Now that safety is assured, let's hope the club is sold very soon so we don't have to put up with FM too much longer. I'm hoping 777 get sacked off and other interested parties can come to the table. Not too much to ask!

29 Apr 2024 09:23:28
On reflection emotion (plus major surgery) played a huge part in criticism of players and Sean Dyche. I don't think any of us fully understand the pressures the staff have been and continue to be under. Certainly we don't fully understand the financial pressures and mess caused by those supposedly having the best interests of the Club at heart. So I apologise for some of my rants and do actually think Sean Dyche deserves to stay, still a huge huge job to do in prep for next season with a massive exodus of players envisaged, we are having to trust in our youth.

30 Apr 2024 09:32:08
Not for me. Take away our last three wins and think how long did we go without a win?
This guy had a preseason and a full season with these players, and we’re measuring them on the last three games.
We stayed up because three teams below us are shocking, that might not happen next season.

28 Apr 2024 17:07:53
Don't even have to cheer on Man City today, happy days.