Everton Banter Archive September 21 2016

21 Sep 2016 19:08:25
How long are some of our fans going to say barkley and del boy are world class?

21 Sep 2016 21:13:41
I have yet to hear anyone, including our own fans, say they are world class.

21 Sep 2016 22:58:16
Bluey79 said it in a post and you agreed only just a few posts ago my friend nbtb.

22 Sep 2016 00:22:33
'Let's sell two of the best young talents in Europe; behave yourself'. Does not translate to the 2 players in question being world class my friend Skylark.

I'll point out some of the key words seeing you have trouble understanding it. 'best' 'young talents' and 'Europe'.

Let me see world class? Nope, not in there. You seem to have trouble reading between the lines Skylark. Also seem to be well able to exaggerate and twist what other people are saying.

So again, I have yet to see anyone in any way imply they are world class. Apart from you that is my friend.

22 Sep 2016 11:41:49
I knew you would say that nbtb; splitting hairs comes to mind. if you are saying he is one of the best young talents in Europe, to me that is just the same as as I thought European football was the best in the world, so I will say it again my friend; barkley is not one of the best young talents in Europe or they world stop making excuses for him every week.

he is not good enough and if some fans think he isn't they should be able to say it that's all part of football they are payed a very good salary and should stop sulking and show us what they are supposed to be able to do and I have yet to see it from him.

22 Sep 2016 14:46:37
Your entitied to your opinion. That's fine. Just don't be twisting what people say in posts to exaggerate their point so as it strengthens your own. That's not a proper debate. Try staying to the facts.

Incidentally BarkLey was among the best last season in his position in terms of goals and assists. The premeirship being one of the best leagues in Europe. That in a bad season for the team. Yet you want to sell him and take a chance on someone else. Who may never work out.

I'm not sticking up for Barkley. He definitely needs to improve. He gets constantly knocked and put down by the media and so called supporters it doesn't help. Yes they all get well paid that again, does not translate that anyone has the right to hurl abuse at him or any player. I don't think they play bad on purpose. Although the way some people react to their performances you'd swear they try to play bad.

I hope to God Barkley improves and plays out of his skin and makes you eat your words. Somehow I get the feeling you wouldn't be happy with that and want him to fail.

It's a long season and I suspect we will see plenty of goals and asissts from Barkley. Just like last season only with him playing a lot better. It will take time. Koeman has not got a magic wond. It won't happen instantly.

21 Sep 2016 18:09:25
Time to get rid of of our dead wood players lennon, del boy, gibson, an barkley tries to take the world on instead of passin to players who are in a better position to score enough of this we need another striker a cm a rb a lb an a keeper.

21 Sep 2016 19:01:01
2 centre miss I'd say mate. gibson and clev to be gone in jan.

21 Sep 2016 12:35:12
I would sell barkley and del boy in the window along with lennon and buy two players with a bit of composure who can pass and cross a ball at the right moments stop sticking up for them been waiting long enough for them to come good.

21 Sep 2016 16:57:09
Let's sell two of the best young talents in Europe; behave yourself.

21 Sep 2016 17:03:06
Agreed Bluey79!

21 Sep 2016 18:45:35
Agree Bluey, it was an off night that's all. Let's see how the lads react against Bournemouth and keep our knees in our jeans before then.

21 Sep 2016 23:23:25
Let's have a poll then to see if we think barkley is one of the best young talents in Europe
Yes or no.

{Ed033's Note - Barkley Poll

21 Sep 2016 23:26:58
These guys need our support some of the abuse hurled towards these kids is shocking.

22 Sep 2016 00:16:57
Again agreed Bluey79!

22 Sep 2016 00:24:41
Well done Skylark. That is the debate. No mention of world class in the thread. Only the one you started above.

22 Sep 2016 11:47:12
Let's see how we vote then.

22 Sep 2016 14:55:58
We all know how that's going to go at the moment Skylark. A lot of supporters turn their back on players at the first sight of them playing any way bad. Yes he's playing a few seasons now but for the first time he has a manager who knows what he's talking about.

Any chance we could have the same poll at the end of the season Ed? Just for comparison. We are after all only one month into the new season with a new manager. After having a clueless manager for the previous 3 years. I trust in Koeman. He said it will take time. Barkley is obviously down after the euros.

He should be judged at the end of the season. Not on 7 games.

One thing i noticed was Del boy was left out of the poll. Why? When the statement in question inclused him. Proves the point people go out of their way to target Barkley.

21 Sep 2016 08:22:58
Last nights performance showed me that my last season's neegativity was somewhat justified. The fringe players are just not good enough. ie the ones given a chance last night. Thank god we have someone who immediately came in and started to make changes. We can see we need more. let's hope we get one ot two more in in January. And not too many injuries and suspensions in between. Having said all that some of the regulars had an off night last night. let's hope it is a wake up call.

21 Sep 2016 09:22:40
Yes it was disappointing and some players need a kick up the arse. But are we all guilty of what we accuse the younger generation of today? We all claim they want instant success and have no patience.

That was one game. We are better than that. I wouldn't start completely writing players off based on one game. The best of players can have bad games.

Koeman did say it will take 2 years to get to where he wants. He is still learning about players at his disposal. Some haven't played in many games yet.

I'll guarantee one thing there will be more results like last night throughout the season. It reminded me of last season. The cobwebs still need to be properly shook off imho.

{Ed025's Note - i know it happens NBTB but i was hoping for a better showing against a norwich reserve side, but its over now and its onwards and upwards, its ok to not be happy with your team 100% of the time though it shows you care mate..

21 Sep 2016 09:32:40
Absolutely Ed025.

21 Sep 2016 09:58:58
The other way of looking at it was that Norwich reserve players were playing to make the first Team where as I would suggest those from Everton, such as Cleverly know they are Squad players and ergo nothing to prove.

21 Sep 2016 12:35:42
I was particularly surprised at the poor performances by Barkley and Mirallas when he came on. Both of whom had impressed me with their reactions to the new manager. But more dissappointing was the performances of Cleverly and Lennon. This was their opportunity to stake a claim in the first team with good performances. Mori too. By the way, someone posted about being out the FA Cup. this one is the League cup.

21 Sep 2016 15:35:36
You could add Del boy as well. Very disappointed in him. He should be running rings around the likes of last nights opponents.

21 Sep 2016 02:50:59
I've been reading comments on here for a few years and thought it about time I plucked up the courage and take the virgin post plunge.
I know quite a number of supporters are a little disappointed by the Norwich result, but to some extent we as supporters are to blame.
I've never known home team support jeer, ridicule, denounce and boo our own team in such a despicable manner in which we do.
The jeering of Barkley is simply criminal. Not only does it put Ross off his stride but it affects the performance of the team as well.
If I was a player and was likely to get taunted for trying something different I'd soon curtail my ideas and take the easy way out and pass the ball to someone else.
It's about time, as supporters, we stop heckling our team and support them.
Last year the abuse John Stones had to endure from our own supporters was downright disgusting.
Damn it. I promised myself a quick, quirky and light hearted post. Just look what the Neanderthals have done to me.

21 Sep 2016 07:40:23
Hesitate to come across as an old whinger but it is the new breed of supporter being brought up to expect everything now and social media/ mobile phone communication doesn't help (I have been in computers since 1974 i ncidentally) To be fair though I was there last night and the voiced criticism appears to come from the same group and area of the ground.

{Ed001's Note - I think you are spot on in this, as it happens amongst every set of fans. Every team has a target for boo boys that gets abuse week in, week out, and it is getting worse as they now have new ways to give out abuse for everyone to see. It really is not limited to Everton at all.}

21 Sep 2016 08:18:40
I too am disgusted at it. These guys need to read up the definition of "supporter".

{Ed025's Note - listen guys i get your point to a certain extent and as for booing our own players then im totally with you on that...but..and im not just picking on ross here, but when a player like him gives the ball away 5 times out of 6 like he did in the sunderland game then what do you expect them to say?."hard luck old chap, better luck next time"..no you hear sighs that mean a professional footballer should be achieving a higher standard, this is not a kids U12 game its the dog eat dog world of professional football, our supporters are very loyal and have stuck by the club for many years even though they have been barren ones for a long time, have you ever thought it might be these over hyped over paid prima-donnas that may be te fault and not the regular joe or josephine that pays hard earned money to follow this club all over the country?...rant over..

21 Sep 2016 10:59:21
Barkley needs to level his game out as it stands it's bi-polar!

PL clubs demands are more about consistancy, other wise he will fall by the wayside and end up being sold off .