Everton Banter Archive July 13 2011
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13 Jul 2011 21:52:24
We need to offload the dead wood before moyes gets any money. We have to keep the core quality of the team the baines, heitinga, fellaini arteta etc of this world if we are going to stay in the top half of the table {Ed025's Note - i would be interested to hear your opinion of the dead wood....im sure we all have our own opinions!..
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Not hard to guess, Yak, Yobo, Anichebe {Ed025's Note - for me...they certainly come under the heading of...dutch elm..
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Their movement around the pitch echos a dutch elm
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You could possibly add heitinga to that list, he would have a good value in the transfer market. Thats unless moyes sees him as a long term replacement to distin
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13 Jul 2011 22:06:06
The only thing that is keeping us from slipping down the table is David Moyes. Kenwright is indebted to Moyes, without Moyes, every Everton fan would be after BK. I can understand the fact that he wont give us Man City money, but surely enough to buy 1 or 2 quality players (15mil would be the max) each window to add to the squad. But the fact we havent bought any significant first team player (Becks excluded) since 2009, of which was a result of the Lescott money, is ridiculous. {Ed025's Note - you said it mate..
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Just to add
What makes me even more sick is seeing worse clubs than us, like Wolves, Stoke & Sunderland spending plenty, yet we're surely getting more income than those clubs Its difficult to understand
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Moyes is magic, he has worked wonders at this club with his hands tied and he has stayed loyal as well.
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13 Jul 2011 22:05:36
we need players what do you think we should buy ed ? {Ed025's Note - a hitman...for our board of directors..
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Good shout ed
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13 Jul 2011 21:42:39
How, many fan, s think we will not , have the funds, to buy any decent player, maybe, get 1 or 2 loan signings, as we are skint {Ed025's Note - i am sitting here....with my hand in the air
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I agree, I think it's our total wage bill that cripples our transfer funds. Alot of fans always say "where is the money?" "what happened to the TV money and prize money for last season?"
Wages, wages, wages. It wasn't all that long ago when Beattie was our top earner on 40k a week. Arteta is on double that and many other players get paid easily over 40k a week. {Ed025's Note - its a fact of life ..im afraid...best players...get the best money......and if you pay peanuts.....you only get monkeys..
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Yeah but we didnt pay peanuts, he jumped ship to Spurs
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Something has got to change at the club, we belong in the top half and if we had investment we could challenge the top 4
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13 Jul 2011 21:27:28
what is the most worrying thing at present is that clubs like sunderland spend 20k + even wolves and stoke are spending 12.k + and DM had stated he wanted to do our business early but we are dependant on Yak and Yobo goin, the problem is yobo deal is current dead because of the turkish match fixing scandal and No one is in for yak, do we have no other funds? why not swap loan deal yak for scott parker and sell or swap deal yobo here maybe for Vela ? {Ed025's Note - i like your shout, over parker & vela...but we will do ok, even if we dont sign anyone!..
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13 Jul 2011 21:26:23
What some people need to understand is we would be lucky just to keep our hole squad together. We have talent not much pace on the wings but we can play some nice football too. Tams hate playing us.they know it won't be easy we have a good squad if we all fit..don't u agree ed? {Ed025's Note - i certainly do....on our day we can beat anybody....and money or no money...we will be up there at the end....and you can take that..to the bank
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13 Jul 2011 20:59:24
We all know that we need a striker, we all know that we need a wide player, considering current market values, Young, Downing, Henderson; even young players with potential such as Connor Wickham, we are probably looking at upwards of £30 million for two players.
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10 mill on a winger and a striker on loan is all we need.
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Im not even sure we need anything. Beckford will come good next season me thinks, and we also have forwards that can come on and make an impact. wideplayers. Gueye will hopefully be good on the left next season. I dont know about anyone else, but i think we need squad players. you know those who can cover when we get our yearly crasis we have players to cover. what do you think ed? {Ed025's Note - i would like a striker...we play some lovely stuff at times, but with no end result...becks will come good this season...and if we have a bit of quality along side him...we could be the surprise package..
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13 Jul 2011 20:35:07
We are constantly rumored for signing defenders. I believe the papers are "ASSUMING" that we don't have money and we will sell Jag, Rodwell, Heitinga, and/or Baines to raise fund. Can the blind journalists write something better? We lack fund but it doesn't mean we will sell our best defenders to buy strikers. It is very annoying to read that. The quality of the papers is getting worse. {Ed025's Note - your right!!...you only have to look at the NOTW to see the standard of british newspapers!
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I think from the clubs point of view they are trying to hold on to our best players which is good as long as we can secure a quality striker on loan and blow whatever budget we have on a winger, the loan market might come good for us. We need to make goodison a fortress this season like it was in the second half of last season in the league {Ed025's Note - you talk a lot of sense my friend..
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13 Jul 2011 20:33:50
the silence on signings is deafening. is anyone at the club going to let us know whats going on?? {Ed025's Note - i doubt it
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13 Jul 2011 19:40:29
As an evertonian born and bred, I now live in glasgow, I've read the local press and heard the rumours about Mcgeady being shipped in and Billy being shipped out and I personnally don't think it would be a good exchange billy is a far far better player than Mcgeady, Mcgeady is pacey and likes to take on defenders but please take into account I have watched him play for celtic for a few years and his final ball into the box is woefull bearing in mind this was playing for celtic against so called inferior teams in the SPL, I just cannot see him crossing a decent ball in a far superior league against far superior players.....Billy is improving game by game and just needs to get in the team more frequently to improve his alround game, DM just doesn't take a gamble anymore coz he can't afford to take a gamble with the funds he has at his disposal so on recent purchases he has bought quality so why would he consider shipping out Billy, especially for someone who would be less than mediocre and isn't setting the russian league alight.....Stay clear of mcgeady I say he wouldn't improve our squad in my opinion. your comments would be welcome on this post. {Ed025's Note - thanks a lot for your views..iv got to say...im not the biggest billy fan, but i have seen mcgeady on a number of occasions, and i agree with you, i dont think he would fit into our team...he gives the ball away too much....i hope david sets his sights a bit higher than him, maybe...long...or sturridge on loan...here,s hoping...
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I agree ed about sturridge, he would score a lot at everton and he would finish off all the chances created by baines and arteta
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I agree mate. don't rate mcgeady, he's one of them players that does something in spurts like go on a mazy run and do something nice but then go missing for 30 minutes before doing something else for 5 minutes. Everton players especially under moyes have to be able to compete for 90 minutes
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Moyes won't put up with players that don't put 100% in for 90 minutes. I remember him giving beckford an earful after substituting him against wolves {Ed025's Note - i dont want to see any player...gracing the everton shirt..who is not giving his all...its our right as paying customers..
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13 Jul 2011 18:30:40
got message from a mate in london who is a gooner, he has stated that the Jags for arsenal rumours are spreading like wildfire, apparently Wenger is keen to sign him & a bid is likely, cant see EFC turning it down as we need the cash cos we are skint, I blame BK & I can see the reds coming in for Baines aswell cant really blame the lad if he wants to go cos it dont look good for us does it, lets face it there are clubs that finished below us have more financial clout than us, I can only see one way for us & thats down......
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Joe King {Ed025's Note - i cant see them going anywhere....under moysey...they have gone from obscurity....to regular england internationals.....and also my friend....the only way for us, is forward..
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We turned 15 mil down last season, i doubt the offer will get higher and i doubt Moyes will budge on his future captain. If anything, Moyes will sell a big player if he has to, and i would guess it would be Rodwell since the impact of him going would be felt as much as Jags, Baines, Felli (when fit) or Arteta (when on form)
SteveBiggert {Ed025's Note - its hard to argue with that..
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Jagelka will be everton caption one day and as for moving to the norwegians, i doubt it, jags likes taking points off the dirty reds in the derby too much to leave
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Agreed Ed, I live just outside of London with a few mates who are gooners and the only rumour being spread re this story is by the Metro, who incidently, rarely get a story right. I suspect our friend (above) has some Gooner mates who are pulling his chain (at least I hope they are) {Ed025's Note - me too..
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13 Jul 2011 18:10:50
For those constantly crying for new signings you are like a bunch of spoilt kids in a shopping mall needing something different just for the hell of it....you normally get something that you need. Quite frankly the way the current squad is shaping I cannot find room for any player the players we have plus the crop of young talent will be more than enough. Moyes not to sell the Yak he will thrive on a second lease and I am sure he knows whats good for him after his last snub... {Ed025's Note - i really admire your optimism..
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I can see Yak doing well next season, i agree but maybe a few more young-ish and cheap signings just to rotate squad during injuries/fatigue plus Moyes always makes diamonds out of stones
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Our squad is good especially with the youngsters coming through, but we definitely need a stiker who can convert the chances we create, saha and beckford are great but we still need a proven goalscorer {Ed025's Note - i keep saying it...and so do most blues....so come on BK...get your friggin hand in your pocket!!
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The squad we currently have is more than capable of competing with the best, however, in order to break into the top four consistently we need a sizeable investment {Ed025's Note - tell me about it....
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13 Jul 2011 17:34:43
Just putting this out there to get peoples opinions.............. Evertonians have short memories it was only 3 seasons ago that the yak scored 24 goals in one season. The season after he scored 5 goals in the first 8 games then was injured for a year, when he came back in the 2009/2010 season he was unfit and needed matches which he didn't get, if you look at the stats though he scored 6 goals in 16 games that season. Last season i think something went on behind the scenes maybe his attitude in training or something ? He only got a chance in october and november last season where he started 5 games on the spin, scored one made 2 assists and got man of the match against liverpool in the goodison derby. Then when saha came back from injury the yak was back on the bench Killing his confidence and match sharpness again.
Then moyes put him out on loan to leicester, i know its only the championship but 11 goals from 19 games speaks for itself. I know he's not everyone's favourite player and i totally agree that he can be lazy but with games and a full pre season behind him for the first time in 2 years the yak will score goals
Were after a proven prem goal scorer who is not old yakubu is still 28 and can score goals, there you go We do need another striker definatly but the yak for me should be kept even if its just for one more season. We should have 4 strikers though..... the yak, beckford, saha and maybe shane long or someone in that price region. Don't know what everyone else thinks but just thought i would share
Paul EFC {Ed025's Note - paul...i respect your opinion and early on in his everton career,i thought he was great! but he seems to have developed an attitude.....everton supporters do not suffer fools gladly.....and wont take to a player, who they think is not giving 100%, we spend our hard earned cash following the blues, and anyting less than total commitment....just will not be tolerated...
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I agree the yak can score giving he has fitness and sharpness and a full pre season and he is still only 28
I think something did happen because he was in the team playing well at one point last season then all of a sudden he was benched and didn't even get on as a sub for ages then was loaned out.
He is a goalscorer and maybe with beckford or a shane long type player doing all the running for him he will score.
Also though i agree with ed his attitude in some games last season was dreadful and we expect total commitment even if things aren't going your way, look at the reception anichebe got against man city last season when we won 2-1 at goodison. Didn't play brillliant but his work rate and commitment was first class, thats all we want {Ed025's Note - you have it in 1....we blues appreciate endeavour, and commitment..and will settle for nothing less..
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It will be interesting to see if we use yak and yobo in the pre season games and what reception they got from the blues, both of them fell out of favour because of their attitude. {Ed025's Note - yobo will get a different reception to the yak..he has publicly trashed the name of the club...he will reap what he has sown...
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Rather have the yak than saha who always injured, anichebe is lazy, cant wait for season to start to see us competing for top 4 place..............
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Joe King {Ed025's Note - thanks for this post...mr....YAKUBU
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Looks like we wont be getting a top forward in so why not give him another go.can mind the game against liverpool last season and he was outstanding.hopefully he can knuckle down and start scoring goals for us again {Ed025's Note - never say never
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I have to say you make a good point. He didn't get a chance last season and i do remember him playing well for a few games and getting sharper then all of a sudden he was on the bench and wasn't even getting subbed in What we have to remember though is that moyes see's the players day in day out in training and he may have compared yakubu's attitude to saha's and thought saha deserves to start and then the yak ended up getting loaned out. Its a fact though that the yak knows where the net is and maybe just maybe if he gets a good pre season gets himself in shape and shows a good attitude he could be a valuable striker this season because your right he can score We still need another striker though regardless even if the yak stays we need 4 strikers if you look at the top clubs they all have 4 strikers......... id be happy if it was saha, beckford, the yak and long or defoe or just anyone ha ha. {Ed025's Note - i think we are all singing from the same hymn sheet..
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Yakubu and beckford could work. They didn't play upfront together at all last season. No harm in pre season in giving them a try {Ed025's Note - im sure david will give it a try...after all...if anyone can...moysey can..
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Some good points here about yakubu he is a proven goalscorer but he does need to show his commitment to the blue shirt, it's annoying because we all know what he is capable off.
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13 Jul 2011 16:53:24
That puppet Ross on talksport saying we invest every £ into the playing staff we get I will put the question to him where is the piennar and Vaughan cash ?? Try being commercial with your buisness everything sourced out kitbag matchday food efc They can't even build a shop at the end of the road without getting it wrong Puppets and phillip green is the puppet master
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At least people are now realising that evertonians are not happy and we need change. Having discussions like this on talksport puts pressure on the board. Evertnians won't settle for 7 th place and we have gone too long without silverware so we need action at the club {Ed025's Note - i agree mate...we are a big club..with big asperations, so come on everton..back moyesy, and lets bring back the glory days!!..
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You lot are deluded, you have never ever been a big club, the only thing I agree with in previous post is that you are not happy cos you lot are bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter
big fat nev {Ed025's Note - you sad sad person, go and crawl back under the rock, from whence you came,,
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Do we really need to sign a new 'worl class' striker? To me Yakubu is a proven premier league goal scorer. The yak, saha, anichabi and beckford. with Guaye coming up the ranks surely if we play two up front we will score goals. Buying a 'world class striker' and then putting him up front to battle four defenders on his own is not going to help. Have a formation that is actually designed to score more goals {Ed025's Note - i think we need a striker..to partner beckford..yak, may be sold...saha..is injury prone..anichebe..has not progressed....just my opinion
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Another sad and pathetic red nose coming on a everton site and posting comments There obsessed with us. I think they secretly want to be like us. We are loyal and treat our managers and players with respect and integrity, we do things properly and there all praying that we don't get investment because they all realise that if moyes had a bit of money we would over take them easily. We have finished 1 place behind them in the last 4 seasons and the last 2 seasons we have finished 3 points behind them. How much money have they spent in that time and how much money have we spent ?? LIVERPOOL ARE GETTING NERVOUS FOR THE DAY WE GET INVESTMENT HA HA HA {Ed025's Note - amen to that...nice post..
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Norwegians are getting all cocky again. A fool and his money are easily parted as kenny proved when he spent 35 mill on a pantomine horse {Ed025's Note - well said..
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HA HA HA i love that from the post above, so true......... LIVERPOOL ARE GETTING NERVOUS FOR THE DAY WE GET INVESTMENT its right if moyes a quarter of the money benitez and doglish have had we would win the league
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13 Jul 2011 16:13:48
why is it almost conpletely silent on the press front from everton at the end of the season moyes said he wanted to make early signings and yet not heard a word?? either were skint and there burying there heads in the sand or theres the other reason it could be the takeover rumours were true and maybe were going through the due dilligence stage?? {Ed025's Note - i dont think we have much money...so i think moyes is waiting for other clubs to set their stalls out in the hope of getting a player who is surplus to requirements at another club on the cheap....i dont like it...but we will have to live with it...
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Cos we aint got no money you fool, who in the right mind is gonna try & buy a second rate club like ours, grand-dad Bill is never gonna sell he is takin you down
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We won't go down especially as the mereyside derbies are a guaranteed six points. Kenny for the sack, avram grant in the anfield hotseat to put the norwegians in the championship. Spot the scouser on the kop
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13 Jul 2011 09:20:51
ed wat u think of the peoples group? are u involved {Ed025's Note - no im not involved...but i can see where they are coming from....but the problem is...BK wont listen to anyone, he is a very insular person..he has the welfare of the club at heart, but now the club has out-grown him,its time for him to stand aside. there are prospective buyers out there...so i ask him now for the betterment of our beloved club....please stand down.
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13 Jul 2011 15:54:36
come on guys whats with all the doom and gloom here. ok so we have no money lets be realistic here we never have any money so there is no point in dwelling on it, remeber when we finished 4th our two main signings were tim cahill from division 2 milwall and marcus bent our team is much stronger now than it was back then. get off BK's back he is a die hard evertonian and is as frustrated as we are, the fingers need to be pointed to the board members with so much more money than bill who do nothing. the problem last season wasnt the lack of signings it was the poor form of the current players i think 4th is certainly asking too much of the boys but i think top six and a path back into europe would mean that bit more money for moyes to pull off bargain deals like he has with cahill arteta pienarr etc
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Moyes certainly knows a bargain (cahill, neville, arteta, beckford, jagielka etc ) He has always worked on a budget since his north end days. He is good at wheeling and dealing and getting the best out of his players, whoever we sign i expect us to be top 8 comfortable again, hopefully better {Ed025's Note - i agree with most of it...except the top 8 shout....we are a big club...and our aim should be europe..at least..
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I think part of our problem is aiming for 5-7th. Half of sport is psychological. We should start the season aiming to win the league. With our best 11 out we can beat anyone. Look at the team - good players from front to back. ManUtd go out each year aiming for the top - so when they have 10 minutes left on a game and only drawing or even losing they pull out everything to get a win becasue they know they need to win. If we go out aiming for 6th then we will onloy put in the effort to make 6th. Aim for the top and try - REALLY TRY - to win every game, the same as the other top clubs do.
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13 Jul 2011 15:44:51
Bill Kenwright has just announced you can catch up on all of Everton's transfers in next weeks News of the World.
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No point in getting annoyed till the transfer window closes on september the 1st. If nothing happens us evertonians will be on bills back next season. {Ed025's Note - and so we should..
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Surely cant keep going on like this without our league pos suffering, cahill 31, neville 33, distan 33, saha 32, osman 30, even hibbo is 30 all these players will need replaceing soon ish and unless we have good enough young players coming through season after season we will slip futher down the table. {Ed025's Note - another way of looking at it....is that we have one of the most experienced squads in the league...i prefer to say, the glass is half full...rather than half empty....be positive and keep the faith,,
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13 Jul 2011 15:18:35
Please if anyone out there now if we are going to sign someone soon
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Don't hold your breath. A good winger and a striker on loan. Kranjcar for 8 mill and wellbeck on loan, would be my bets. That would give us a chance of challenging for 6th place especially if the youngsters step up to the mark next season {Ed025's Note - i would settle for that..
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13 Jul 2011 14:21:51
ed at risk of causing murder if any half decent journalist wants to do a good report. oone man they need speak too as i have done his name is Keith Wyness former chief exexutive. I asked him who is the most influential person at everton ? bill Kenwright ? no David moyes ? no Robert earl ? no Lord Grantchester ? no.His answer staggered me he says Sir Phillip Green confirming it was actually green who fired him to replace him with Puppet Robert Elstone. Wyness had drunk a few drinks why telling me this but i truly belive he was being genuine, surely its time for our great club to be investigated. I dont want this i actually like bill but am becoming more concerned, The park end hospitality development, is the club actually up for sale or are they looking for just investment, what has robert earl brought to the club except sylvester stallone, 2 failed stadiums, The bbc report claiming everton have had 3 offers for the club. I love everton supporting our team Must come first but we also need answers.
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13 Jul 2011 10:45:13
The one player I'm personally disappointed we didn't go for was David Vaughan. Out of contract, low wages, Blackpool's key player last year.I've resorted to hoping the young players will step up big time... Gueye, Baxter, Vellios, Barkley etc...
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I agree about david vaughan but i think that their isn't much value for money at the moment. Is there anyone in particular that you would of liked which we could of attracted if we had the money? I can't think of anyone. There are a lot of average players going for over the top prices, i prefer we sign quality not quantity, otherwise stick with what we have got.
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13 Jul 2011 10:36:27
Nice to see we are finally been linked with someone who is good Scott Dann, young and British if slightly over inflated price of £12mil. Would be grreat to see interest in Shane Long actually materialise into something..... Will definately need to re-think our transfer policy if we cannot even sign Lonergan for £200k though....only competition being Leeds
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Scott dann is a very good player, but if there is not going to be a lot of transfer activity then we should just sign a striker. Could gueye or anichebe do a good job on the wing for us?
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13 Jul 2011 09:52:11
Lewis holtby is defo a bluenose, was interviewed a few mths ago saying that it would be a dream of his to play for everton someday Goal scoring midy playing for scalke I think. Moved to germany with his dad in the forces Check him on u tube Coyb
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13 Jul 2011 08:58:30
radio city sport reporting were intrested in signing scott dann, why???? yes he is a good player but we dont need defensive cover, unless is a right or left back, we need a striker, also where do they think were getting the money from because i imagine birmingham would want at least £8m
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Apparently its 12m :o
Overpriced yes, but many say him getting injured was the reason for Birminghams downfall last season
I disagree about the defensive cover mind, we need a quality CB if there's an injury, also Distin will be 34 soon
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I think we would only buy him if jags went anywhere, which i don't think will happen.This is just another one of the daft rumours that fly about. If we are going to sign someone for defensive cover it is likely to be someone like onohua from city, who is a good player but more affordable
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In case Arsenal sign Jags, I have heard Bad news
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This story is being run in the Metro (check out the BBC gossip column). They claim he is being lined up to replace Jags who is wanted by Arsenal. It seems like their top target Gary Cahill may be going to Chelsea instead to replace the outgoing Alex. Dann, according to the Metro is valued at £12M. I'd personally prefer Roger Johnson for a lot less but is enroute to Wolves...
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13 Jul 2011 05:07:10
it could be the case that we have the money to spend but moyes isn't letting on he has any money at all?
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I think we will sign someone for defensive cover for under 5 mill, a stirker on loan and the rest of whatever budget we have on a winger, maybe kranjcar. I really don't think we have the budget to do anything else
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13 Jul 2011 02:52:20
The soon as one more player is sold moyes will become active in the transfer market. He was expecting yobo to be sold in june, thats why there has been no signings yet. Eagles from burnley will more than likely be the first signing, followed by a loan move for a striker. {Ed025's Note - we just need a lift
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Yak and yobo need offloading, if not there could possibly be only loan signings this summer
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13 Jul 2011 02:29:27
about time yobo showed some respect and gratitude. not only is he very well paid, but when his brother was kidknapped everton moved mountains to help him, time off, and cash advance and hostage negotator and private investigator. well jo, it's pay back time, either mend your fences with moyes, or agree a move that will help the club, time to man up. p.s your remarks about playing for a competative team, now seem a bit odd if they bought there title. {Ed025's Note - well said....great post..
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Great post mate, so often football players forget their role and who put them there
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13 Jul 2011 00:40:03
You know the sad thing about everton is we only need 3 new players 1mid 1winger and a striker if we had the money to get them players I'm telling u we could challenge The sad thing is we ain't got the money. Every year we have to sell to buy A team like everton should not be doing that we have been a top flyt team longer than any team in english football but we still have to sell to buy it's a joke I don't want to sell anymore of r best players and just think off the players we could off bought the team we could off had I don't want to finish 8 or 7 every year and think it's ok that's the best we can do it's only everton Things have to change if this summer finishes like last year then I think every everton fan have to get on the boards backs we as a club have stopped... {Ed025's Note - great post mate...you speak for all of us i think
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12 Jul 2011 22:10:02
Ok boys heres the story Nzogbia will sign for about 13 mil followed by 2 more big signings that are being worked on I dont know who the other 2 are but nzogbia is defo going to happen {Ed025's Note - lets hope so
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Ye ye ye look there's a big flyin
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How do u know this??
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I think he probably woke up with a good feeling, thats where most these rumours come from. I keep on trying to say we only need a forward and left back cover. If we keep coleman at right mid for the start and play Gueye on the left we will be fine. Or like people have been saying arteta could play on the right
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12 Jul 2011 23:08:00
I watched a lot of n'zogbia last season. He's similar to Ashley young in his style of play and has a great shot on him Wigan's best player by a mile I hope this ones a goer as he would be a fantastic addition to the squad. {Ed025's Note - im with you there mate..
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N'zogbia has Pace and acceleration and he runs past people like they are standing still, he would be perfect for us, the more clubs are linked with him though the more his fee goes up, so that might rule us out. I have a sneaky feeling we might get kranjcar instead. {Ed025's Note - that would do for me
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12 Jul 2011 22:51:10
Why are we posting rumours of buying players when we clearly have no money ?? We are on a downward spiral if we cannot get investment into our club...... its very worrying when there is only silence from an ineffective board..... P Lyons {Ed025's Note - you obviously...have your head screwed on...but have faith, in the messiah......we,ll do ok..
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