23 Oct 2016 23:13:43
Well then if burnley have not conceded more than one goal in 19 and Bournemouth are no push overs guess that makes it OK for us to get beat 2-1 then. not excaly setting the bar very high from a lit of our fans is it but we did play better than them and have more chances on goal.
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24 Oct 2016 08:05:18
Not at all, but to just expect us to just turn up and win games is disrespectful to the opposition and also just stupid. I expected us to beat both Burnley and Bournemouth but at Bournemouth we didn't turn up and they are a good side and against Burnley we were the better side just like City were against us and yet we didn't win. This is football and real life not FIFA 17! We are a team in transition adapting to a new way of playing a more disciplined way and it will take time, especially as there are still bad habits from the previous regime. I'm sorry I just can't fathom the constant criticism of a club you are meant to support. Even with the result at the weekend we are 6th and have only lost 2 league games oh and it's only October with 2/ 3 of the season remaining.
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24 Oct 2016 08:26:00
Having bee accused of being the "negative one", I understand how after RM came in there was a wave of optimism from some fans. Some of us were a bit more cautious and wanted to wait and see if he actually delivered. Then after his first season (presumably bassed on Moyes good defensive set up) everything seemed to be going well. The signing of Lukaku was something we never expected. But slowly as the wheels fell off we could see that our original thoughts on him were more accurate that the ones developed after that first season. However, some supporters developed almost a "head in the sand" approach and could not see we were sliding towards the Championsip. Our squad was becoming weaker all the time. I firmly believe that if Koeman had not come in, we would have made more poor signings and be struggling. These events created a divide amongst our supporters and although some (me included) can see that we are once again making progress, others are still in the negative mindset and will find it hard to see that we are making progress. Albeit slow progress. I expect this will be a season of ups and downs. I also expect that we will continue to strengthen the squad. The man from Leicester City came here for a reason! Koeman also came here for a reason. Kenright brought Moshiri for a reason. But none of it can happen overnight. During the next few seasons. with a bit of luck, we should continue climbing that table. adding one or two players each window. and yes we will lose one or two. maybe Lukaku? But Steve Walsh is here to do a job. remember that! I suspect in 2 or 3 seasons we will all be positive again. RM did a lot of damage, but it is slowly being repaired.
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24 Oct 2016 09:28:03
Well said Degsy and I was one of the posters who criticised your negativity not because you were wrong it was more the repetitiveness of the posts.
We have to be realistic in our expectations and not expect overnight success. We are building from the bottom so to speak by first laying a solid foundation with the DoF and Head Coach, rather than having a manager.
Remember this is the first time us as a club have had this, So no doubt Steve Walsh will be addressing what we can all see regarding needing a new striker and some creativity in midfield.
I'm always cautious of January signings but if we can build on the last window and bring in the type of player we need then I'm sure we will finish the season well.
Remain optimistic not pessimistic and also be realistic we are not the big drawer we used to be, but we are heading in the right direction.
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25 Oct 2016 08:49:39
I think Degsy has also highlighted a point when he mentions RM's first season relying on the defensive solidity of Moysee's team, and it shows how over time a new manager can change a teams style, I think that is relevant when of late we have let games slip where perhaps we have still not rid ourselves mentally of the RM style of play?
I have every confidence that over the season we will develop how RK wants us to play, if players cannot adapt they will go, he obviously suffers no fools as I'm sure Niasse will tell you.
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23 Oct 2016 20:21:08
After a positive start things have gone abit flat but I trust RK.
He is a no nonsense manager, if he wants to get rid of any current squad player (except Gana) I trust him. In the past I would be saying don't sell Ross, Jimmy mac, mirallas etc but now if he seems them not good enough then I'm excited as his standards are so high that can only be a good thing. Onwards and upwards!
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23 Oct 2016 18:29:32
I don't blame ross barkley for the way we r we need more attackive player he just has not got it i no he can be better but its not showing i don't no y a lot of people say let him develip as a player how long does he need he is the same age as lukaku an soon ad lukaku is playing bad everyones on his back lukaku has been up there with the top goal scores for the last 3 years so y is ross taking so long we can't eait any longer we are weak in the centre attacking mid we have no creativity at all me personaly i like ross he has talent but i think he needs a change and so do everton excuse my spelling to hahhaah.
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23 Oct 2016 18:22:22
Its going perhaps a little better than expected, these few months have given Ronald Koeman time to look at the squad in detail, as many have said we need at leat two more good transfer windows to really see a Koeman team . We are usually stronger towards the back end of the season and I expect the same this year. Re Niasse have watched him a lot this year and he hasn't impressed, despite a hat trick last week . As stated last transfer window I hope we can bring in some real talent and not have the embarrassment of waiting for Jim Whites mobile to give us the news.
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23 Oct 2016 12:34:45
Anybody see Adama Traore for Boro yesterday? Absolutely ran Bellerin ragged. He is everything Delboy isn't, he is direct has pace but doesn't do stupid step overs. Didn't show much at Villa last season but he is only young and has the ability. We were linked when he left Barcelona but went for Delboy. One to keep an eye on as the season progresses to see how he develops.
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23 Oct 2016 08:50:30
This might set the cat amongst the pidgeons. I have been one of Lukaku's biggest admirers and his goalscoring achievements have surpassed everyone before him. Even Messi and Ronaldo had scored fewer goals at his age. But I am beginning towonder if his overall contribution to the team is not enough. I get so frustrated watching him stroll around not closing down defenders. Then I see him watch a clearence float over his head and makeno attempt to challenge. He is a brute but plays like a whimp at times. Sometimes I see him get the ball caught between his feet and surrounded by the opposition and lose possession. I don't know if all his goals are worth losing what we would get with a harder working center forward? Like I say. I don't know. So don't have a go at me for asking the question!
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23 Oct 2016 11:13:05
Completely agree. We've never had a player I feel more conflicted over. Week in, week out he seems to play terribly, miscontrolling every touch, standing on the ball and missing chances, yet somehow his goal scoring record is brilliant. It's almost like Rooney for England in the way you watch him and wonder why people think he's good, then hear he's actually scored 10 in 10 even though you barely remember a positive contribution.
I would say I'd prefer a player with a more rounded game, but our scouts history of striker choices is disasterous, and he's clearly the best we've had in decades, so I guess we'll just have to shut up and take the good with the bad.
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23 Oct 2016 11:35:17
It's ok looks like bayern Munich are after him for 65m.
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23 Oct 2016 11:48:31
I saw that this morning. my only issue is where will efc get abother 20 goal a season striker from.
Two names mentioned in the press though strootman and semedo are centre mid and centre back. I have seen us linked, confirmed by edoo2 with a strike called federico santander. but is he as good as the lake, who for all his perceived faults, know where the net is.
Cheeky swap deal for lewandowski anyone 😀.
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23 Oct 2016 12:01:06
I don't see Messi or Ronaldo closing down defenders. In Lukaku defence his Everton career he always plays lone striker. His touch is not the bests but he is the best striker we had for decades but I feel he is not let say taking to heart by fans because he seem to be using Everton as a stepping stone to the top clubs in Europe. In the last 3 years he been our only threat. I do agreed our other strikers we have bought have been very poor.
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23 Oct 2016 12:01:19
Bring Niasse in.
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23 Oct 2016 11:27:24
I agree. Martinez excepted this atitude, hopefully koeman can bring a more alround striker out of him, i would prefer him to share the goals with another forward possibly like sharp and heath done and more before them. he doesn't have to play as the only scorer as we struggle when he's out of the game.
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23 Oct 2016 12:41:11
Be careful what you ask for. We had Straq a grafter, but no goal scorer. Agree Rom can be a lazy bugger, but you can't blame him for teams problems. We have no creativity in midfield, if we did he would score more goals. Defenders were getting the ball yesterday but having nobody to give it to, as our midfielders were walking around doing nothing. I would suggest Ross goes and plays for the under 23s, and gets some pace back into his game. Can't keep making excuses for him.
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23 Oct 2016 13:13:21
To say Messi and Ronaldo do not close down defenders is just plain wrong. They are 2 of the most industrious players around. Both work really hard for the team. Ronaldo is superb at defending and especially in the air on set pieces. I just wonder if a 15 goal a season striker would be better if he worked hard to create things for others? The likes of Pelle who was at Southampton. He never scored as many but was always bringing others into the game. Shane Long too. There are a few about. Yes Lukaku scores 20 a season. Some are quite outstanding individual efforts. others are tap ins. But yesterdays assist to Bolasie was a mistake and how often do you see him holding the ball up to lay it off for someone else to score. Not often that's for sure.
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23 Oct 2016 14:20:06
I was comparing them to closing down defenders not their over all play. Which to me is 1 aspect of the game. To me some fans will never like Lukaku.
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23 Oct 2016 16:41:30
I suggested Shane Long in the summer and had some posters saying we should be aiming for a higher calibre of player. I would still likea to see Long at Everton as he is the type of player we need to play with there back to goal to help Lukaku.
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24 Oct 2016 08:32:07
Blue1959 I am one of Lukaku's biggest supporters. I was delighted when we got him. We have not had a 20 a year striker for some time. But my question was a question. I do see him looking like a lazy arsed whump of a giant when he could be a brute. We all know that he scores goals. but my questio was what else does he bring to the team? And would we be better off with a forward that linked with other players better. It is no coincideence that Mirallas who has scored goals for fun throughout the whole of his career is struggling now. There may be other reasons for that but I just don't see Lukaku creating goals for anyone else. I do see other center forwards in other teams and past ones at Everton scoring less but contributing more assists to the team.
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