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21 Jan 2019 15:22:53
martinez from a relegated club, silva from a relegated club and then one looking like they would go down, we buy a central defender 30m from a club fighting or on the fringe of relegation, we loan a central defender who has just spent the last season being relegated, a central mid-fielder who has a few good touches, then receives maximum sympathy when he's complete rubbish thereafter, another from a relegated club, when will we ever learn.

i admit that that could probably be our level these days, posters say as soon as we get a proven goalscorer we'll be fine, how's he going to stop us shipping goals? or score when the garbage behind him can't even string together two or three passes to a teammate, with one exception the players brought in are not performing or are not good enough, or is it poor management, silva and brandts and morishi supposed to be messiahs no chance, someone posted 10 points in the next 4 games i'd be happy with 10 points by may.

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1.) 21 Jan 2019 16:18:42
it was me who posted 10 points, listen mate its how u look at it, we signed 3 Barcelona players a chelsea player and young brazilian forward who has scored goal for us, and is it keane your talking about from a team fighting relegation? Burnley wer nowhere near relegation when he was at the club, glass half full for me.
what would u have us do mate sack silva sack brands and farhad sell up? yea that's a plan isn't it.
just give it time, too many of our fans want instant success well in reality that doesn't just happen it takes time.


2.) 21 Jan 2019 17:54:30
Very good reply Johny mate, OT over the top.


3.) 21 Jan 2019 19:30:07
Burnley in a lower league, bought Trevor Steven, Neville Southall from Bury, Graeme Sharp from Dumbarton, Kevin Sheedy who was playing for the reserves along with Alan Harper, Peter Reid from Bolton, Paul Bracewell from Sunderland.

None from a top class team, being a bit harsh on the players we bought old timer.


4.) 21 Jan 2019 19:09:46
GB. I have mentioned and suspected that Mr Moshri (not being a football man) takes advice from someone who judging by our recruitment (s) gives bad advice. Seemingly confirmed from one of the Eds. I along with many did not want Martinez, I applauded Koeman did not read his CV but based on his Southampton tenure, as it turns out I was wrong. Mr Silva is totally different, there is no logical reason based on his Premiership CV, why he should have been appointed. The only reason now why he should be kept to season end, is because there are worse teams below us.


5.) 21 Jan 2019 18:58:26
thanks GB just trying to remain level headed, yes wer playing poor but sacking the manager and blaming farhad and brands is a joke, some fans get me down there so eager to be negative that they can't see the positives wer riding the club ov the mistake buys and slowly replacing them with better, are zouma and mina better than williams and jags? yes, is richarlison better than niasse? yes, is bernard better than bolasie? yes, is gomes better than sniderlain? yes.
wer not in a position to sign top players wer not attractive to them so we have to just slowly improve each position and brands and silva are doing that.


6.) 21 Jan 2019 20:05:24
ducks u don't half waffle sometimes its like your first 3 quarters of every message are copy and paste, WE KNOW U didn't WANT SILVA but he's here so support him like we r ment to do as suppprters, the clue is in the name, let's sack everyone after 6 months before they have there own team in place, your beloved rafa wouldn't sort this out in 6 months, he just a Spanish allerdyce npw, he was good 10 years ago but times have moved on from him same a jose same as wenger times change silva is a new young manager who needs time please give him that time.


7.) 21 Jan 2019 18:58:26
thanks GB just trying to remain level headed, yes wer playing poor but sacking the manager and blaming farhad and brands is a joke, some fans get me down there so eager to be negative that they can't see the positives wer riding the club ov the mistake buys and slowly replacing them with better, are zouma and mina better than williams and jags? yes, is richarlison better than niasse? yes, is bernard better than bolasie? yes, is gomes better than sniderlain? yes.
wer not in a position to sign top players wer not attractive to them so we have to just slowly improve each position and brands and silva are doing that.


8.) 21 Jan 2019 21:27:20
Agree Johny some just can’t grasp it eh mate.


9.) 21 Jan 2019 23:10:11
A football supporter - a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular football team.

How about we do that lads and get behind the team, club and management!

Some of you don’t half moan, if it isn’t BK it’s Brands the. Silva then one or other player!
Let’s breath some positivity into the club this is a transition season.


10.) 21 Jan 2019 23:41:28
That’s why he has gone and got Brands to take care of all football aspects, I think silva needs time and so does Brands this was never a quick fix even though last 4 seasons have felt like it.
Brands needs a couple of seasons to build block by block getting rid of dead wood and bringing in the right players.


11.) 22 Jan 2019 06:56:31
So the OP hasn't realised that the Leicester team that won the Premier the other year was made up from a few players deemed not good enough by the previous employer, (Danny Simpson, Robert huth, Albrighton and a few more) a defender who had strength but no speed (Morgan) . A journeyman striker in Vardy and a couple of astute signings, N'kante, Mahrez and a couple more. It's about our players playing as a team and having the right balance. I think we will do ok.


12.) 22 Jan 2019 11:28:10
Reds fan here in peace chaps.

Just to point out our starting left back was bought from that same relegated Hull side. Fans favourite Gini Wijnaldum was brought in from a relegated Newcastle and one of the best value for money summer signings Shaq was brought in from relegated Stoke. All sit at the top of the table having played their part this season.

Coming from a relegated club doesn't make you a bad player.

{Ed025's Note - thats very true mate..


13.) 22 Jan 2019 12:19:44
A good manager improves players as Moyes did, as Kendall did etc.
It seems however that players are going backwards under Silva and his premier record is very very poor.
I am baffled as to how we not only appointed this man but Moshiri actively hunted him illegally, something is badly wrong at the top.
While I never boo at games I am 110% against this manager as many are becoming. Are owner knows nothing about football sadly. He is not the first successful business man to fail in football, Alan Sugar springs to mind at Spurs and he was a fan of the club.


14.) 22 Jan 2019 12:52:04
dark cloud what would your ideal be then? sack silva and farhad sell up?


15.) 22 Jan 2019 14:23:32
There really are some negative *&^"*s on here.
Anything to criticise.
It takes an LFC supporter (amongst others) to point out that just because a player comes from a relegated or struggling club doesn't make HIM a bad player. Youngsters have to start somewhere.
The same players you criticise as being from relegated / struggling clubs have played for their countries, have played for Man Utd or Chelsea. But that wouldn't suit your constant negativity would it.

It is about building a TEAM not 11 individuals.
The sum of the parts is what counts and often it just takes one or two things to click.

Look at us in 84 / 85.
Look at leicester City. If we had signed Wes Morgan or Danny Simpson or a striker from non league (Vardy) then imagine your moaning then.
They almost got relegated season before. Same players.
They had a phenomenal run to escape relegation. Carried the confidence gained over to the next season. Something just clicked and that is the difference between success and failure.
And confidence comes from positivity.
Just try it. You will be far happier.


16.) 22 Jan 2019 14:36:52
Good Question Johny.
Well I do not think there is any point sacking Silva till the end of the season as we will not go down so let's just see the season out.
As for Moshiri, well he is the owner so I hope he will see that his advisors are replaced with others and he realises that the way he profiles a manager does not work.
Of course there is no guerantee who ever you appoint will be a success but his present managers he recruits are failing badly.
My personal leaning at present is towards Arteta who was ignored last time even though he was interested. The reasons are firstly he knows Everton and he knows what the supporters look for and expect. As a coach he is working under a great manager at City and when you watch City you can see his passion from the bench, we need a passionate manager, both Koeman and Silva do not have this for me.
He worked as a player with Moyes and Wenger so he will have learned about different styles of football.
Ok so some may agree or disagree but this is my thinking.
Whatever we do we need a better plan to make Everton great again. I can wait 10 years if things seem to be going in the right direction look at Spurs but there is sadly no sign of that.


17.) 22 Jan 2019 15:50:26
whats worse is this has been taken from a kopites twitter oh my word. Martinez came closest to the champions league. as for the relegated players shout, shaqiri seems to have worked for them?


18.) 22 Jan 2019 18:54:51
dark clouds arteta would have been in my top 3 to take over aswell i agree with what u say about him completely but then he has no experience in actual management and could flop then everyone would say why did we appoint citys no2 do u see what am saying, our fans are to quick to kick off.


 

 

 

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22 Jan 2019 20:25:42
WB, great shout about Andy Carrol, we can whip in crosses to him, he's a great header.

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1.) 22 Jan 2019 20:53:38
we have calvert lewin for that and he's not a drunk with injury problems.


2.) 22 Jan 2019 21:25:44
If we're looking at Carroll then we really are struggling.


3.) 22 Jan 2019 22:04:21
Would not want him any where near us.


4.) 23 Jan 2019 12:28:10
I'd rather have Andy Pandy ;-p.


 

 

22 Jan 2019 20:24:03
big nev, i take your point about previous signings in the 80's from so called lower clubs, and i'm not having a go at you, but to the best of my knowledge all those players could pass the ball on their debut, mostly to a team mate, just don't think some posters have actually watched recent performances, unfortunately we have now become one of those so called lower clubs, left so far behind with only wild hopes, not expectations, the view that we "will" challenge the current top four or five under this regime is in my opinion (which, i am perfectly entitled to) is ludicrous sorry to be so blunt, incidentally sell Guye who can't pass to bring in Mcarthy for his cameo before his next injury utter madness.

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1.) 22 Jan 2019 21:02:08
McCarthy was relatively injury free and pur best cm untill he broke his leg making a tackle sniderlain should have made 10 yards previously also we have beni who looks capable. if your refering to me as one of the posters who must not have seen recent performances i can assure u i havnt missed a home game in years and i go as many aways aa possible and if i dnt go i watch it on tv. and what i can see is the foundations of a strong team forming, pickford is 5 years away from his prime and already englands no1, keane and mina have potential to be cb pair for next 10 years with lucas on the left and yest coleman needs a long term successor but i have faith in kenny the boy has captained england to a euros win and played in the 21 wc win he's a top player in the future, then u look further forward with the likes of richarlison 21 brazilian international, bernard 25 and only just getting used to the league after around 6 months of inactivity but has a great touch and defenders are scared of him, lookman has all the makings to be the stirling and calvert lewin just been names england u21 player of the year with 5 goals in 7 games.
the future is wer we should be looking not the right now, wer not in a bad spot in my eyes.


2.) 22 Jan 2019 21:28:18
All these players could pass 2 months ago, and pretty effectively. To say they have lost that in 2 months is a little short sighted.
It's not their quality that is the issue.


3.) 22 Jan 2019 22:07:27
Johnny1989, I agree but it just goes to prove my point that Judging on the stagnation in these talented players since Mr Silva's arrival, he is obviously not the person to take them forward and was a silly appointment in the first place. Yet another that is going to cost this Club millions in compensation and wages paid for seasons to come.


4.) 22 Jan 2019 22:34:55
just try and have some faith ducks, i no your a proper blue mate who is disillusioned with the club but i think we will come good by end of season, if am wrong feel free to slap me down and say told ya so but of am right and wer doing ok just be happy mate.


5.) 22 Jan 2019 22:39:12
I assume you mean the stagnation of Richarlison (better than last season) , Keane (better than last season) , siggurdson (better than last season) , DCL (better than last season) Digne and Gomes, didn't see them much but I predict better than last season. Gana (same, if not better than last season)
Zouma (better than last seaaon)
Unless you are judging on 8 games out of the 22 or so we've played?


6.) 23 Jan 2019 09:46:04
Smit666. Stagnation of thought, tactical know how, same stubborness as Martinez in as much as sticking with a system that posters say that after 23 games the 'professional' players after endless hours of training and game time since August 11th, have still to get used to. Richarlison went off at the end of Nov last Season under the same Coach funny that! Gomez! There is a good player there but badly needs a rest. Mina! I honestly have no idea if he will come good or not, Bernard a No 10 for me! Digne, Zouma good players. We don't need a striker, just give DCL, Tosun a good run in the side it isn't rocket science.


7.) 23 Jan 2019 14:41:29
Agree with most of that DFS although Richarlison had played 18 months without a break before his dip last season. The other manager at Watford couldn't get him to perform any better last season, so we can't just point the blame at Silva.
He was probably just knackered, he is only 21 after all.

Silva is a young manager not a wisened old hand like Alla.


8.) 23 Jan 2019 16:14:02
Yes but this is his third go. Do we really have to wait akin to Pardew for him to be found out.


 

 

22 Jan 2019 09:41:16
So i maybe over the top and harsh on the players we bought, well forgive me but, has anyone of you who claim progress been watching recent performances? they 're professional footballers, christ they train together every day, match days they perform like they hate the job, and each other.

players arguing between themselves, a goalkeeper who blames all and sundry for his errors, no team spirit. i don't advocate his return but the only one who could get this lot to perform is SA. he can get the best out of deadwood. at least his agricultural style resembled a plan and they had some fight.

and by the way they have now had over twenty games, surely some kind of understanding between players must now exist. i don't expect a miracle just some sort of cohesion and desire. signings from Barcelona don't in themselves guarantee a success. there's a reason why they left, i stand by my comments, we continually bring in poor quality in. if you recruit from relegated sides you get relegation quality, about time some took a reality check. club and supporters alike.

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{Ed033's Note - Just think what could have happened if SA had implemented an aggressive style instead of the "agricultural style".


1.) 22 Jan 2019 10:42:07
To do that would have meant him having a little faith in the players Ed033 which he clearly didn't.


2.) 22 Jan 2019 11:20:58
Oldtimer so would u like to still have sam?


3.) 22 Jan 2019 12:23:48
We would have been a better team under Allerdyce I am certain, his record proves that over many years. Bolton where very good to watch and West Ham where not bad either, but he did a job which was all he was appointed to do not given a chance by directors or fans.
He was paid a lot to keep us in the prem good luck to him.


4.) 22 Jan 2019 12:54:10
we wer never going down we wer midtable when he took over this sam saved us talk is nonsense.


5.) 22 Jan 2019 16:28:42
Nobody said he saved us. He fulfilled his brief though and had us finish a respectable 8th. What position will we finish under Mr Silva, unless he changes tac.


6.) 22 Jan 2019 16:53:28
I think people are quick to forget. Big Sam had us playing every game like we have played the last few.
And when he tried to change it (Spurs) it was horrendous.


West Ham were not bad to watch? get yourself over to the West Ham page and use the search, they watched it every week and couldn't wait to see the back of him.
I spend quite a bit of time reading the West Ham pages and i can tell you there is no love on that site for Big Sam.

He is only ever a short term option for anyone and would have taken us sleep walking to 7th/ 8th.
Silva can do the same but with at least some kind of attacking football.
We need to remember that last season we were fighting with Leicester and a freak Burnley for 7th. This season everyone has upped their game and spent some money.
Leicester, West ham, Wolves, Bournemouth and Watford have all come to the party this season. We can still finish 7th, the difference this year is, we will have to fight to get there rather than just out perform one of two teams.


7.) 22 Jan 2019 17:44:20
ducks if u read dark cloud said he kept us up we wernt going down.


8.) 22 Jan 2019 22:23:10
Thats dark clouds opinion Johny1989, not mine.


 

 

 

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28 Jan 2019 10:09:58
take your point Bunnyman, only suggested Guye infront of Siggy to try to stop opponents building attacks in midfield, gives just a bit more aggression. he can then knock it short to Siggy.

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27 Jan 2019 13:58:44
Football evolves, we all know that, in the 60's the fashion was for a sweeper, like Beckenbaur act, who was their best player, most sweepers were. today basically the sweeper is now a defensive midfielder, why do we persist in playing our worst passer in that position this surely should be Siggurdson, if the Eds will indulge me i suggest this line up
Pickford

Coleman Keane Zooma Digne
Siggurdson

Davies Guye
Richarlason
Lookman Calvert Lewin
until the crisis is over.

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27 Jan 2019 13:44:19
dfs, as you say we have been around, but this is not the worst Everton side I have ever seen skill wise, there is skill in the side somewhere, but I have to say, this is the worst performing Everton side i have seen. even worse than under SA. he at least created some desire and fight, the silky football was missing, but that never bothered us in times of crisis, take for instance Big Joe's "Dogs of War". But realistically we don't have any player who could get into a top four side. forget the flicks just get them playing aggressive football.

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22 Jan 2019 20:23:33
johny1989, why is it when anyone mentions SA you default to the "you was happy to keep fat sam", now i'm no lover of SA but his big talent was to recognise the quality/ limitations of his squad and, play to them read silver's comments he doesn't seem to have a clue about his squad.

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