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10 May 2020 10:17:39
Hey Ed002,
Have you any inside info on what the situation is with Moise Kean, I know you already believe it was a bad move for him last summer, but more interested to know of there is any appetite from Carlo and Marcel to really try and make him settle down and realise his undoubted potential whilst he is with us, I get the feeling the kid was expecting to have played a lot more minutes than he has upto now, do you think his attitude may dropped because he feels guarantees haven't been met in regards to appearances?

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - The situation remains as I explained originally - Everton was only going to ever be a stepping stone. Moise Kean (S) wanted by Roma on loan with an obligation to buy or in exchange for Cengiz Under. I explained in the summer why Moise Kean was sold to Everton and he has the need for regular game time. He is expected to be pushed by Mino to fight for a way out of Everton and in to Roma - the interest of two other sides, Bologna and Lazio who both wanted him on loan with an option to buy, seems to have gone.}


1.) 10 May 2020 11:32:29
Do you think everton would push for a straight transfer fee with FFP issues on the horizon, or is Cengiz Under a player the club would like to bring in?

{Ed002's Note - I think it is unlikely that he would be easy to sell at the sort of fee the club would be looking at. Under at his best would be a player the club would like to bring in but he has not had the best of seasons. Cengiz Under (RW) was injured at the start of the season and has not performed well since - Roma wanted him moved on in January - Kluivert and Zaniola have proven to be adequate replacements although JK is really a LW and also on his way out. CU's agents are hawking him around having spoken with several English sides as they are expected to pay more. An option exists with Everton for an exchange involving Moise Kean (S).


2.) 10 May 2020 11:52:04
Nice one Ed!


3.) 10 May 2020 14:40:39
It would sort a problem position in RW provided Ancelotti could get the most out of Under.

{Ed002's Note - You are right.}


4.) 11 May 2020 12:45:38
Everton striker Moise Kean is “locked in talks” with Roma over a potential transfer, according to reports.

The Blues forward has struggled to settle in at Goodison Park since his move from Juventus last summer, scoring one goal in 23 Premier League appearances.

Moise #Kean could leave #Everton in the coming months. #Roma are interested in him for a loan with option to buy. #Toffees have asked info for Chris #Smalling, if Giallorossi will not buy him from #ManchesterUnited. #transfers #EFC.


 

 

29 Apr 2020 08:21:25
You Ed002,
Any inside track on the proposals to revamp the qualification rules for the Champions league from 2024 season onwards? It seems like the first foundation is being laid for a European super league, the death bell is starting to toll for the English domestic game as we know it .

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - There are several counter-proposals to the proposed pan-European breakaway that have been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the introduction of a lower-tier European competition again (which is happening regardless). Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have no interest in such a discussion but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves again. This has dragged on for three years and nothing has happened - and I doubt it will. Ross with the help of Liverpool owners FSG organised a meeting of a number of clubs in Paris during January 2020 including Arsenal, Bayern Munich, PSG, Atletico, Manchester United, Juventus, Liverpool in order to discuss expanding the pre-season International Champions Cup to a much larger event where clubs would be members of the tournament through a debenture type system but need to commit to playing their first team in all games. Ajax, Chelsea, both Milan sides, Borussia Dortmund, Monaco, Marseille, Real Madrid and Spurs refused invitations to attend. Ross wants UEFA to formally recognise the tournament (there has been a discussion already) which would be a money spinner but will add many more first team games to the annual schedule.

However, UEFA are still also considering a variant proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve into a parallel league, and of course eventually into a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions’ League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support - and that is where we are now.

The primary UEFA plans, which would come into force in 2024, state that the 32-team Champions League for the 2024/25 season would be chosen based on UEFAs domestic club rankings from the period between the 2020/21 and 2023/24 seasons, effectively shutting out clubs who are not doing well prior to 2024. What it does is make an early start for the Elite to move on (pre 2024) very unlikely. Timing wise, two very prominent clubs wanted it to happen as soon as possible (2021 was the most recently proposed date) and they have the support of a third club - but most are looking at 2023 to 2025 being a good option. A few clubs are looking at 2025 to 2028 and I suspect that could end up as the reality.

Right now, of the 21 clubs involved in the discussions, two have said they will not be in any breakaway league and three have said they may not compete. That will likely change by the time anything eventually happens and talks will continue. The other major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite". The general feeling from informal discussions over cocktails is that the "elite" would not want it on a league basis but could be open to including other sides in a some sort of expanded World Club – and that is where FIFA would come in.

If the proposal for a breakaway goes ahead, there is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. Initially it could be that there is a single 16 team league with 2 or 3 EPL teams making the initial plunge. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league - but it won't be based on the UEFA rankings; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well - they don't want further issues but the troubles are not going to go away. I could also see many teams lose their professional status. I would think we are probably 10 years away from any significant move at this time.

I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially). Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again). Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done.

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the Liverpool supporters like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 10 to 12 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them?

It was thought that a possible option might have resulted from a potential landmark decision that UEFA were to make in June or July 2017 - and that could facilitate the ownership of lower-tier sides by the more senior sides and then work as a feeder club. However – the need to make that decision was avoided.}


1.) 29 Apr 2020 11:41:48
Can you just go through that again please?


2.) 29 Apr 2020 19:36:14
Fantastic insight Ed, thanks. I’ve read this site for a few years and never posted, seems the right time to now. I’m relatively young at 39, so I’ve missed out on all the beat years as a blue, I only remember losing the 89 final and winning the 95 fa cup, along with the near misses of relegation. I’ve become somewhat disallusioned with football over the past couple of years. I wasn’t a fan of bringing VAR in, and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. I much preferred human error, something to talk about after the game and a difference of opinion, rather than how many millimetres someone was offside. I’m of the opinion it’s ruining the game (although I can see why it was brought in) , slowing it down and it seems like were soon going to be watching a non contact sport. Money makes the world go around, but unfortunately it’s another thing ruining the game. Times change as with everything in life. Sadly the game, in my opinion is being ruined by money and greed. It’s a huge lucrative business and it’s ruining a lot of people’s enjoyment. The last couple of seasons I have started paying less and less attention to premier league football (I am a blue but also a fan (or was) of the game in general, and would watch any game available) . I have taken to watching lower league football a lot more, aswell as Everton. Whether it be Tranmere or the lads Sunday league, I have found it’s more interesting to me (no VAR, less money, etc) . With the proposals outlined by Ed, and what’s inevitably going to happen in the game, I’m starting to fall out of love with it and I’m sure, but hope I’m wrong thy a lot of others will to. The excitement isn’t going to be the same for me. Sadly the game that I knew has changed beyond recognition for me. Bit of a long winded post for a first time I know, the general gist of it tho is that the life is being sucked out of it for me and will be even more so with the proposals as outlined by Ed. Anyway, I hope you’re all safe and well with what’s going on right now and I apologise for the long post, and thanks for the insight Ed, fantastic as always.

{Ed002's Note - It is a natural progression I am afraid.}


3.) 29 Apr 2020 20:29:28
So it seems, unfortunately. Thanks.


4.) 29 Apr 2020 22:34:15
Wow what a detailed response, thanks for the info ed002, I must say I would be gutted to see the Premier League dispanded, but also would probably subscribe to watch this new super league if it were created. it would be a shame not to see all the best players at the world cup as well, but as you say, most if not all players would go for the money on offer.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome. It is not anticipated for a few years but something could happen from 2024.}


5.) 30 Apr 2020 11:50:51
Well Everton would not be included in this super League considering our lack of European success in recent times. Where would that leave us as a club? Assumption is we would wind up eventually then as TV would only be interested in the top competition. Football would essentially become the top 3/ 4 teams from the top euro leagues forming the super League meaning us Everton fans best start thinking of a new team to support really as even if there is a competition left, it would be one of little interest to anyone with no chance of being included in the super League as we are not a big enough club and the club's initially included will want it closed off so all the money is always with them.


6.) 30 Apr 2020 12:54:51
So what's the point in building the new stadium.


7.) 30 Apr 2020 15:56:38
I personally would not be interested in watching a European super league if my team was not in it - I’d imagine a lot of fans from all clubs would agree.

I realise it’s Potentially a big money spinner but a lot of the money comes from fans supporting the teams involved, buying tickets, merchandise, paying for subscriptions to watch the matches. If a fan has not got an interest in it as their team is not involved I’m not sure they’ll be keen to spend their hard earned on following it.

It’s a sad state of affairs when money above all is the motivating factor and the fans are forgotten about.

For instance The joy of the FA cup is in the giant killings and watching the so called top teams having to play at a pitch worse than their car park.

Football in its current state does need to change but for the benefit of the majority - these plans seem only aimed at the so called elite teams.

Will be interesting to see what teams don’t survive the current predicament and who has to sell to survive.

The football landscape in the coming year will be very different to previous, hopefully some clubs will use the experience to improve their practice in relation to finances and start to live with in their means. Not sure if fans either will be spending as much as previous with the likely hardship the current predicament has gotten a lot of people in making them a bit more conscious of what they spend money on - the idiotic footballers flouting the lockdown rules are not making a good impression and wouldn’t be encouraging me to spend my cash to pay their wages.

{Ed002's Note - The "elite teams" (there are 21 of them at present) would generally (with the exception of two) it the likes of UEFA and FIFA would stop try and increase their hold over competitions. The "breakaway" is the plan of these "elite" sides to take back control. All of the other plans are from UEFA (or those trying to partner with UEFA) to profit themselves.}


8.) 30 Apr 2020 20:28:22
Let them have their super league, they will soon be brassed off with only one of those teams lifting the league.

All good and well dominating your own leagues, season on season, be a different kettle of fish facing the elite, week in week out.

If they break away, then the leagues without them will become more competative, we might even see the f a cup back to as it once was.

I personally think after a few seasons, they would miss us more than we would miss them.

{Ed002's Note - The leagues would need to be restructed and there will be fewer professional sides.}


9.) 30 Apr 2020 21:10:54
If you are losing 6 or 8 max from the Premier league, those slots could be filled, you look at the likes of Leeds, West Brom, Sheffield Weds, some more out their past big clubs that could surely regenerate the premier league.

With the elite in a European league, this could revamp the Premier league and make it more competitive.

I do not think it would be a huge loss, the Premier league as you say will be restructured and the leagues below them.

{Ed002's Note - You are missing the point that the money would be a lot less and the clubs would be of less interest to broadcasters.}


10.) 30 Apr 2020 23:10:50
I doubt the broadcasters being less interested in showing Premier league games, we get two games a week live from the lower divisions already, the money would be less, that should drive transfer fees and wages down.

There is only so many players, the elite clubs can sign, leaving plenty to go around the other major leagues.

It might actually get back to a spectator sport, where fans once again become a main source of income for clubs.

{Ed002's Note - Right, the 1950s.}


11.) 01 May 2020 06:51:23
What are evertons chances of being asked to join the european break away league Ed? If I understand rightly, would there be 2 divisions of Euro league? Surely EFC would be asked to join the second division?

{Ed002's Note - Sorry but no. Currently their are 21 sides (the "elite" sides so to speak) involved in the the discussions Danny of which one has already said they will not be involved and four remain undecided. The initial breakaway will come from this set of clubs and eventually they expect to be a second tier of perhaps 16 in each. Everton are currently ranked 87th in Europe so it is most unlikely even if the rankings were to come in to play.}


12.) 01 May 2020 13:30:28
Not going to happen there is no way the premier league brand would be broken up just to serve a European league it’s just to big it may suit fifa as other leagues don’t generate the money the prem does.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with FIFA.}


13.) 01 May 2020 13:35:19
The premier league is the brand it is because of the excitement it brings not just from the 4 or 5 teams at top it’s everything from relegation to seeing new clubs come up like Blackpool and Ipswich over the years we loving watching it because it does throw up everything, in other leagues they only want to watch games between the big clubs.

{Ed002's Note - Clearly you don't have any grasp of the game at all.}


14.) 01 May 2020 16:19:57
agree with ed 002 hate saying it we are not good enough to get an invite an on the record where not even consistent enough in the prem for top four or even the europe league places last trophy 1995 says it all if am honest.


15.) 01 May 2020 17:02:32
Well if it happens the way ed says it will, they have lost me as a football supporter I won't be going or watching any football again think I will be done with it all, the life has already been sucked out.

{Ed002's Note - You have a few years to go before it happens unless UEFA do something particularly stupid.}


16.) 01 May 2020 17:18:30
Well a humble evertonian can only hope the club uses the next 4 years as an opportunity to climb from 87th place in the rankings and hopefully be asked to attend the party, things are, to quote Mr Bowie ch. ch. ch. changing, time will tell if it's for the better or not, but I have to admit as an everton fan I am full of anxiety over the future, it's clear we are not an elite club, and time is running out for us to become one.


17.) 01 May 2020 19:12:24
I get the feeling your not very often wrong ed. But on this one I hope you are very wrong but I bought it.


18.) 02 May 2020 05:10:39
I'm living in Thailand now. I'm only mentioning that as the 6-7 hour time difference between the UK and Thailand has affected my viewing patterns

I still watch all the Everton games. Everton is my team and I would want to watch them whatever league they are in, whether it be Premier, the Championship or even lower
Where my viewing has changed though is when I was in the UK I would watch any Premier game that was on the box but now, when it is being shown late evening or even early morning if it is a UK night match most times (even a top of the table clash) I can't be bothered to stay up. I think any cross time zone league would struggle for the same reason. Is there any other sport that has shown that such an arrangement works? How many supporters say they support their team but are not as bothered about their national side playing in the world cup or similar international tournaments

I'm also not interested in watching different leagues in different countries. I don't watch Barcelona even though Messi plays for them. I don't watch Juventus just to see Ronaldo. I want to watch Everton and the teams they play

I have 3 grown up sons in the UK - all of them deserters who don't support Everton. If I was a broadcaster the thing that would worry me is that they are all less interested in football than I am. It's a very, very small sample but I believe interest in football is on the wane. The gap between players and normal people is widening

I think the TV channels and the top sides can see this and so they are looking to develop new viewers but the new viewers they want are in the developing markets such as China, the US, India, Asia Pacific etc. Personally, I believe the new viewers they will attract will not be as big as they think due to time differences and will not compensate for the the viewers they will lose such as myself, other Evertonians, Newcastle, Wolves, Napoli, Schalke, other team supporters who want to support their team, not some team 100's. 1000's of miles away with no 'connection' to them.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all of that bw, i too have 2 sons who are deserters so i what you mean and i would not watch the breakaway league either mate if everton were not involved..


19.) 02 May 2020 09:46:26
Good valid points there BW.


20.) 02 May 2020 18:09:59
There's one other point I'd like to make. I think the days of mega money TV deals are beginning to come to an end. In Thailand I have an Android TV box, readily available from Amazon or any other internet selling site and here in Thailand, it is not illegal to stream live sporting events so I can get SKY, BT, BEIN Sports, NBCSN and a myriad of foreign sites showing the matches live without me paying any fees except standard internet access. I could also get these on any Android phone with the right APP. It's the same throughout Asia and the TV companies have tried but failed to stop this growing trend.

It's not legal to do this in the UK but it is done. I learnt how to do it whilst in the UK. There's been attempts to stop people doing it in the UK but it's being done more and more and, as I said it's common place in Thailand and all through Asia

TV companies are going to see revenues dropping because of this and the corona virus will compound it. Will pub landlords continue to pay £100's, £1000's to show football if they are half full due to social distancing. Will fans continue to pay high subscriptions that only widen the gap between themselves and the clubs/ players or will they move more and more onto streaming sites, legally or illegally

There will still be advertising revenues but will they be able to sustain their fees

I'd be very surprised if the revenue from games can be maintained long term

Also, has anyone thought about the travelling fans who go to away matches? How are they going to afford the increased costs or find the additional time away from family/ work, never mind the new restrictions to travel caused by Covid 19.


21.) 02 May 2020 19:09:18
In regards to your queries about fans travelling BW24, I think in terms the elite clubs in England Man united, Liverpool (grits teeth) , Arsenal, Spurs etc, I think they have a large majority of fans who travel from overseas just to attend their home games, so short haul flights to Spain, Germany, Italy and France etc will not be a huge problem, all jokes aside about Liverpool, but their Norwegian contingent pay absolute fortunes for black market tickets, they earn very good money over there, and England is far cheaper for Alcohol, Food and accommodation etc, the harsh fact is that football as a spectator sport is becoming unaffordable to the English working class, the clubs want out of town/ foreign fans because they spend more money.


22.) 03 May 2020 01:15:36
BlueDanny -You are right about fans from abroad travelling to home games and I'm totally unclear on the numbers but that is totally different to travelling to away games. The location of home games are the same every match so airlines can put extra flights into their scheduling and fans can also regularise their accomodation, For away games it is a different city every week. Flights won't be as plentiful so more expensive, accommodation will have to be arranged, possibly at a premium. Sure, a good travel agent can do most of this for you but how many of our away support drive or coach to matches, don't stay overnight and lose a day of their weekend, not all weekend.

I believe regular away supporters will decrease without any increase in fans going to home games from abroad - unless of course the new leagues are unsuccessful and there are therefore more seats available but, if they are unsuccessful, why would they want to go?

One thing we do agree upon is that the game is becoming unaffordable to the English working class. Long term that might be it's death-knell.


 

 

11 Apr 2020 08:37:01
It's in the news today that the premier league have (for obvious reasons) postponed an investigation into everton over the naming rights option agreement with USM, Ed002 is this investigation a routine carried by the PL on all deals between clubs and prospective commercial partners, or should we Evertonians be genuinely worried? Obviously we all know of the links between Moshiri and Usmanov, but if their is no actual proof on paper that Usmanov is funding everton then surely the deal will not be in contravention of the rules?

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - No it would not normally be a problem but as we have discussed before, the issue is him effectively putting a deposit of £30M on future naming rights worth £20M a year. The questions that need to be answered is in regards to (a) if it is a "fair market value" and (b) can Usmanov could be considered independent of the club given he has joint business interests with Moshiri.

There is little doubt that the answer to both questions is no and this was an attempt to inject money in to the club to ease a very significant problem the club has with Financial Fair Play. The club will get a break over FFP and such issues and should take the time to get the finances straight - this effectively means significant sales to start bringing the debts down and the reduce the crippling wage bill. The use of very, very expensive advisors over purchases needs to end.

A further problem which the Everton fans seem to be ignoring is the growing debt with a third party that I have explained before. They have effectively mortgaged the the club. And of course the new debt associated with the stadium development will put the club in a very difficult position for years to come.}


1.) 11 Apr 2020 11:31:49
It’s not an investigation that just rubbish paper talk, as with all deals like this needs to be made sure it’s legit like Ed sats is it market value which is something that I don’t know how that works because value is only based on what one is willing to pay, if my house is worth 300k on market value but if someone offered 1million who can say No.


2.) 11 Apr 2020 14:40:47
Pulling numbers out of thin air leaves us open to scrutiny Trueblue mate . As the Premier League proves every time tv rights are up for sale sealed bids is the best way to go . Unlike an auction where you only need to make one more bid than your competitor to win, with sealed bids someone could potentially pay you that £1m for your £300k house .


3.) 11 Apr 2020 13:40:47
Yeah all deals need to be confirmed to be legit. so they investigate with aim of drawing a conclusion, if someone offered you 1 million pound for a house that was worth 300k then then it would raise serious questions wouldn't it?


4.) 11 Apr 2020 22:12:45
I am confused with the third party growing debt, is this money Everton have borrowed towards the new stadium.

Other than that, all other debts Everton had outstanding have been paid off, with Moshiri giving Everton an interest free loan to pay those debts off.

In theory Moshiri now owns those debts.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is debt borrowed with the club put up as collateral. Everton is losing money and in breach of FFP through mismanagement of the club.}


5.) 11 Apr 2020 22:51:54
This is what I cannot get my head round, other than future loans, For the new stadium, everything that was borrowed by Everton with the club as collateral has been cleared.

The majority shareholder had already pumped in £250m in the form of loans, which are treated as equity, to help fund transfers, new stadium plans and to tackle debt, for example.

But it has emerged that Moshiri injected an additional £50m during the last financial year, which covered a 13 month period from the end of May 2018 to the end of June 2019.

The billionaire has since topped that up by an extra £50m to bring his personal commitment to the club to eye-watering levels.

{Ed002's Note - No, Everton are calling down money from a third party - as I have explained over and over. The owner cannot simply pump money in to the club.}


6.) 12 Apr 2020 10:51:46
is the 3rd party usmanov?

{Ed002's Note - No of course not.}


7.) 12 Apr 2020 11:36:26
But then look at sandbanks house price jump over years that was not market value when it went boom.


 

 

05 Apr 2020 09:58:18
So LFC have decided to use the Govt furlough scheme to pay some of the non-playing staff, just been reading the comments on this story on the Liverpool echo, and there LFC fans actually trying to justify it, I would point that the same LFC fans were up in arms when it was mooted that Liverpool city council may enter a partnership with EFC to help them build a stadium at BMD, it was "a massive insult to the tax payer" and "tax payers money shouldn't be getting used to help billionaires build football stadiums" their hypocrisy knows no bounds. also any truth in the Bernard to Roma rumours Edward002.

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - I am aware the player is frustrated at Everton but I am not aware of anything involving Roma - maybe the rumour is because of Fonesca being coach - like all of the ridiculous Napoli links.}


1.) 05 Apr 2020 14:56:26
Is it that bad that they’re using Furlough to help pay their staff when there is no current income stream through no fault of their own? Football is a business that is affected by this pandemic as are retailers and other service providers. I have no issue with it personally. Regarding their complaint about the local funding of BMD, it’s just financial ignorance further complicated by their partisan ways. Supporting our clubs usually offers a degree of hypocrisy just listen to the songs from the stands. We all play our part.

{Ed002's Note - Yes it is bad but typical of the club.}


2.) 05 Apr 2020 17:04:02
My sentiments exactly Edward002!


3.) 05 Apr 2020 22:18:02
Toffeace - do you think it’s alright for these clubs (Newcastle, spurs, Liverpool and Norwich) to use tax payers money to pay their staff?

The lowest paid staff should be the ones the club and players are supporting.

These clubs usually have billionaire owners and take in millions from tv and sponsorship deals, why aren’t they covering the wages?

Spurs 8th richest team in world apparently and levy took £7mil home last season.

Liverpool made £42mil profit pre tax last season and have a billionaire owner.

To me it stinks, regardless of which team you support.

The actions of these teams is taking all the attention away from all the good teams and players have been doing.

Really hoping the fans take note of these actions once footie resumes and the fans make the club aware of what they feel if these actions.


4.) 06 Apr 2020 08:06:57
Have to agree, despite most being owned by billionaires I must say I’m also disappointed in the players being up in arms about a pay cut, given the money they are on, even them each dropping one weeks wage would easily pay for all the non paying staff, and prevent them having to go onto furlough and use government funds.


5.) 06 Apr 2020 11:18:10
I do agree most fans are partisan but I was disgusted to hear Spurs had taken advantage of the scheme. It didn't surprise me when news broke Liverpool were taking advantage too . The old saying seems apt " where's there's a scheme there's a schemer ". I'm not knocking the players, they are in a impossible position, but if they are to take a 30% pay cut one weeks donation ( from a top earner ) would pay a non playing staff member for a year . Norwich and Bournemouth might well teed to furlough their staff but until the players and executives are too the public will have no sympathy . As usual the media are hammering the players . Most players do a lot of charity work . During our winter break Yerry Mina went home to Colombia to work with his charity
Something the mainstream media didn't pick up .

{Ed025's Note - bournemouth are actually owned by a billionaire megsy so they are no better than the rest of these scum bags taking advantage of this desperate situation mate, lets hope they see the light and make amends..stay safe guys..


6.) 06 Apr 2020 13:13:46
Cheers Ed wasn't aware . While the players and executives are being paid no club should furlough any staff .

{Ed025's Note - im with you megsy, thank god we have a club who act morally and we can be proud of mate..


7.) 06 Apr 2020 14:31:44
Too right Ed025 . The good work our great club does in the community is something we should all be proud of .

{Ed025's Note - i think we all are megsy..


8.) 06 Apr 2020 15:23:33
Yeah fair enough. I get your meaning when measured against playing staff (what was I thinking) . I’m a bit reluctant to start shouting hypocrisy though as if we’re honest with ourselves we all have moments where we expect a standard that we will fall below ourselves.


9.) 06 Apr 2020 20:12:48
Obviously we are all biased towards our teams but it's how far you're prepared to take it . I like most blues was surprised and disappointed by our decision to partner with Sportpesa and we rightly criticised Everton for it. Something we have gladly sorted . Don't forget Brian Labones quote " 1 Evertonian's worth 10 Liverpudlian's ". That's as true today as it was when he said it.


 

 

21 Mar 2020 10:49:17
Ed002, have you heard of any real plans for Everton to look at the goalkeeping position? It seems Pickford is is fast becoming a polarizing player at the club at least in the eyes of the fans, as he seems to be going backwards since the last world cup, do you think there are any real prospects of the player and club agreeing that a fresh start may be best for both parties? I personally think he would be fine, but just needs the right goalkeeping coach for his personality and unquestionable ability, goalkeeping coaches seem to be in afterthought when a new manager comes in, I've never heard of one sort of being headhunted.

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - Everton have Lossl to return but have not, as far as I know, agreed a new deal with Maarten Stekelenburg. So one way or another they will be looking for a GK. I would not rule out Jeroen Zoet being considered as he will be available in the summer and is well known to Marcel Brands - althouth there has already been a discussion with another side.

I think, but am not certain, that Alan Kelly is still the goalkeeping coach.}


1.) 21 Mar 2020 11:56:50
Merci beaucoup Ed!

{Ed002's Note - I think we will hear more in the coming weeks. There is plenty going on still in respect of transfers.}


2.) 21 Mar 2020 12:23:36
Do you think the transfer window could be extended beyond current Sept 1st closure date Ed? Also with uncertainty over when the pandemic will abate, will the cost of insuring players be affected? because although you fancy a young athlete to make a full recovery from the virus, I have heard that in severe cases the lungs can be damaged permanently, obviously affecting an athlete's ability to perform.

{Ed002's Note - There are no plans to extend the transfer window beyond September 1. Currently the plan is to have everything complete by June 30 which would allow the window to open on June 1 - giving two months. However clubs are working had in advance of that. I can't answer about the insurance from a health perspective.}


3.) 22 Mar 2020 13:38:35
Would Virginia not be 3rd choice keeper? Or will he go back out on loan?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea who that is Chris.}


4.) 23 Mar 2020 19:39:30
Hes our youth keeper Ed002.signed him from arsenal and had him on loan at reading last season.


 

 

 

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31 May 2020 07:13:12
Ed002, what is the likelihood of the Newcastle takeover being concluded, they seem a very murky bunch these Saudis!

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - My understanding is that the decision has yet to be taken - but will be soon. The buyers are confident it will go through according to one of their advisors. We'll see.}


 

 

14 Apr 2020 14:06:40
Ed002, there is definitely no clear end in sight of the lockdown, so has the days roll on is there becoming any real possibility of the season being voided? I know lots people seem to think that it would cost premier league clubs too much money, but the whole covid-19 event has basically caused everyone in the country to lose out financially, should football really be afforded any leeway simply because of the money they may lose by cancelling the remaining fixtures for all clubs?

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - Right now the Premier League want to find a way to complete the season and that is their focus still. They considering whether it would be possible to play out the season behind closed doors - but that has problems (one of which they are not prepared to discuss). There are of course aware of options available if they can't which include drawing a line across and taking two promoted teams and then relegating four sides for each of the next two seasons and voiding the season. I agree that the finances should not be driving decisions.}


1.) 14 Apr 2020 15:26:40
The decision makers really are going to have to face difficult decisions. I can see court cases taking place regardless of what's decided . Someone is going to feel hard done to . Personally I hope its Liverpool 🙄.

{Ed002's Note - Court cases involving whom and about what?}


2.) 14 Apr 2020 16:17:16
Players and contracts . When players transferring can play for their new teams . If the top two teams in championship are promoted teams in play off positions won't be happy . The only options are to complete the season without any time frame, or to scrap it as supported by Graeme Sharp in tonight Echo .

{Ed002's Note - I really am not sure what you think will happen about "players and contracts" and who you expect to be taking legal action and whom. And who would the clubs in the play off positions would be taking legal action against? And the only options are not as you say. I don't think you are really grasping the situation.}


3.) 14 Apr 2020 17:16:42
I think their biggest problem will be getting adequate medical coverage.
Even if they play behind closed doors will it be right to have an ambulance and medics on standby just in case there is an injury?
Surely the ambulance and medics would be better utilised by the already stretched nhs.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, another for the "cons" column.}


4.) 14 Apr 2020 17:32:06
Can you honestly see any change in how world football deals with the immense money it attracts after all this Ed? It seems like a very small window of opportunity to bring about transfer fee caps and wages etc, although I know the bigger clubs will find ways around that in order to attract the better players. even thinking about it now any new caps on wages and transfer fees and anything like that will probably just consolidate the established elite anyway do you think?

{Ed002's Note - To be honest the problem is that "world football" does not attract vast amounts of money. The PL does and leading clubs in a number of countries do - the rest are not in good shape. caps on transfer fees and wages cannot be made where there is no level playing field. If you take a club equivalent to Everton in another league (Braga in Portugal, Bologna in Italy, etc.) they would have nothing like the level of turnover that Everton does. FFP is seen as a leveller to some extent.}


5.) 14 Apr 2020 17:52:25
Surely all teams with a chance of winning titles or promotion should be given that chance . Deciding leagues 2/ 3 the way through would open the door for litigation against either the Premier league or the football league . The two ends of each division must be ruled the same way . Champions league and Europa qualification would be another nightmare . Players signing new contracts with clubs ( if a club could be found ) then being unable to play as the previous season is still ongoing. All players should be given the chance to earn a living. Lower league players don't have vast sums of money to live off and must earn . Most footballers aren't wealthy.


6.) 15 Apr 2020 18:16:20
The amount of people required just to televise a game is a stumbling block for any behind closed doors scenario. Then add to that 36 players and a similar number in officials, physios and managers.
That must be close to 200 people for one game plus medical staff.
Were going to have to be a lot further down the road to recovery for that to work or even be agreed to.

{Ed025's Note - i agree smit, mainly though it will be the unavailabilty of medical staff , ambulances etc, i imagine it will be quite a while before games are played mate..


 

 

 

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10 May 2020 11:52:04
Nice one Ed!

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10 May 2020 11:32:29
Do you think everton would push for a straight transfer fee with FFP issues on the horizon, or is Cengiz Under a player the club would like to bring in?

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - I think it is unlikely that he would be easy to sell at the sort of fee the club would be looking at. Under at his best would be a player the club would like to bring in but he has not had the best of seasons. Cengiz Under (RW) was injured at the start of the season and has not performed well since - Roma wanted him moved on in January - Kluivert and Zaniola have proven to be adequate replacements although JK is really a LW and also on his way out. CU's agents are hawking him around having spoken with several English sides as they are expected to pay more. An option exists with Everton for an exchange involving Moise Kean (S).


 

 

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02 May 2020 19:09:18
In regards to your queries about fans travelling BW24, I think in terms the elite clubs in England Man united, Liverpool (grits teeth) , Arsenal, Spurs etc, I think they have a large majority of fans who travel from overseas just to attend their home games, so short haul flights to Spain, Germany, Italy and France etc will not be a huge problem, all jokes aside about Liverpool, but their Norwegian contingent pay absolute fortunes for black market tickets, they earn very good money over there, and England is far cheaper for Alcohol, Food and accommodation etc, the harsh fact is that football as a spectator sport is becoming unaffordable to the English working class, the clubs want out of town/ foreign fans because they spend more money.

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01 May 2020 17:18:30
Well a humble evertonian can only hope the club uses the next 4 years as an opportunity to climb from 87th place in the rankings and hopefully be asked to attend the party, things are, to quote Mr Bowie ch. ch. ch. changing, time will tell if it's for the better or not, but I have to admit as an everton fan I am full of anxiety over the future, it's clear we are not an elite club, and time is running out for us to become one.

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01 May 2020 06:51:23
What are evertons chances of being asked to join the european break away league Ed? If I understand rightly, would there be 2 divisions of Euro league? Surely EFC would be asked to join the second division?

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - Sorry but no. Currently their are 21 sides (the "elite" sides so to speak) involved in the the discussions Danny of which one has already said they will not be involved and four remain undecided. The initial breakaway will come from this set of clubs and eventually they expect to be a second tier of perhaps 16 in each. Everton are currently ranked 87th in Europe so it is most unlikely even if the rankings were to come in to play.}


 

 

 

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24 May 2020 18:18:15
As much as it pains me to say, I think the club will bring JJK back purely for fiscal reasons, I have watched him numerous times in his campaign with Schalke, and of course witnessed him start for us a few times in the 2017/ 18 season, he was novice then I accept, but I don't think he what it takes to be starting a right back in a top six team, I know we are currently not a top six side, far from it, but honestly I don't see JJK being a long term right back for Everton, I would happily be proved wrong, but honestly don't see him reaching another level, if he wasnt an evertonian I don't think many fans would even be that concerned with what happened with him. better defensively that Sidibe though!

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20 May 2020 17:59:45
I think Edward002 might be on to something with his stab in the dark, haha.

Bluedanny1982

{Ed001's Note - might be worth having a look at the Rangers kits from this season, they were made by Hummel and might be an idea how they would go.}


 

 

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14 Apr 2020 17:32:06
Can you honestly see any change in how world football deals with the immense money it attracts after all this Ed? It seems like a very small window of opportunity to bring about transfer fee caps and wages etc, although I know the bigger clubs will find ways around that in order to attract the better players. even thinking about it now any new caps on wages and transfer fees and anything like that will probably just consolidate the established elite anyway do you think?

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - To be honest the problem is that "world football" does not attract vast amounts of money. The PL does and leading clubs in a number of countries do - the rest are not in good shape. caps on transfer fees and wages cannot be made where there is no level playing field. If you take a club equivalent to Everton in another league (Braga in Portugal, Bologna in Italy, etc.) they would have nothing like the level of turnover that Everton does. FFP is seen as a leveller to some extent.}


 

 

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21 Mar 2020 11:01:10
I was at the Newcastle game, opening day of 96/ 97, been at other games that had far more riding on them (Wimbledon&Coventry) but that day has always stood out for me, Alan Shearer was all the papers were talking about since his record at the time move from Blackburn (15mill) obviously Newcastle would have been one of the favs for the league aswell. we battered them, never seen Dunc have a better game, Kanchelskis was flying, and Gary Speed. brilliant! If things had turned out differently with injuries that season, I believe we definitely could have achieved something. alas it wasn't to be. again! Haha.

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18 Jan 2020 08:38:45
What is likely to be Evertons course of action to get the finances looking more healthy Ed002?

Bluedanny1982

{Ed002's Note - There is a thought amongst certain parties that right now that they might continue spending money they don’t have, take any punishment and then sort it out. I can’t see that as being a viable way forward. But it is a real mess.}