23 Jul 2021 11:38:19
I have to say. I was 100% against Rafa but his couple of weeks has been productive and with a huge helping hand from Brands has started to get rid of the absolute dross the previous managers inflicted on the club and more importantly the outrageous salaries.

He has walked into an absolute mess with the suspension of a first teamer, Delph putting more effort into attacking the club than he has across his entire Everton “playing career”, Tosun insisting on his final years contract in full in order to leave the club for NOTHING!
His hands are slightly tied with regards to spending and his pre-season tournament is now a farce.

If anyone wants to vent any anger or frustration at anyone then direct it at Martinez, Koeman, Allerdyce and the biggest person of all, Ancellotti. not forgetting Moshiri and his crooked advisors.
Give Benitez a chance and so Gray and Townsend. they are crucial to the “fresh start” we so desperately need!

1.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 14:14:09
Time will tell if he has done a good job or not.
I think the players we're talking about would have been leaving regardless of who the manager was. Bernard, Bolasie, Besic, Walcott alone must have been on 400k+ so it's good business from whoever is securing these moves.
Why would Tosun tear up a year's contract? I we forget that it's a job and that these guys have families.
Benitez will get a fair crack from me - but if the signings flop and we're bottom half after a dozen games, he'll have to face the music like everyone else.

2.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 15:24:08
Tosun isn't being asked to tear up a year's contract though is he JB. He has the opportunity to go and do his job in his home country for a bit less money. If we're allowing him to go for free, but he is only prepared to leave if he gets paid in full for his Everton contract AS WELL AS also getting paid by a new club for the same period of time, then it is very clear that he is interested only in money and not in playing football.

You concern for his family is touching though - hopefully the 9 million pounds or so we have paid him over the last 3 years will be enough for him to put some food on the table.

{Ed025's Note - love it davey..

3.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 17:26:00
Everton offered Tosun the contract, why should he leave and be worse off . These players have no loyalty to our club they are just employees . Surely a compromise is negotiable where we could supplement his salary as United did and in turn we did over Rooney .

4.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 18:09:45
He is within his rights to stay and be paid, you are correct. So he should stay. Playing clearly does not matter to him. Everton should not play the vast majority of his wages to go and play football somewhere else.
Finally we have a manager that looks as though he wants to operate within a budget and bring players to the club for reasons other than a massive paycheck.
Any player is entitled to ride out a contract. But it is a clear indication of the character, desire and ambition of the individual. If the man's sole interest is his wealth that's absolutely fine, but it's further evidence of how poor our recruitment was in the recent past that we can't identify those sorts of people before signing them (in addition it seems to not being able to identify players that can't get anywhere close to cutting the mustard in the prem) .

5.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 18:15:26
Doesn’t help that he’s been awful. Ok for Rooney - he broke Utd goal scoring record so doing a good turn not so bad.
I have no idea what I’d do in this situation- like to think I’d sign for free and move on but this is his last year on good money - he will be finished in a year or two given his injuries
Sandro, Naisse, Klasson, Williams, Iwobi, Walcott, Delph, Bolassi, Bernard (we don’t appear capable of learning lessons - maybe recent transfers suggest differently but let’s see what we pay next big signing in wages / length of contract)

6.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 18:47:03
Tosun is a modern footballer represented by an agent. Agents will not want their players losing money because they might lose too but more importantly it could be construed that the agent is weak. The agent will aim to ensure his client receives the best deal whether or not the player is overjoyed with the circumstances. I’m sure he has been told he’s entitled to his pay and whilst he’s not carrying skills in abundance he’s tried when he has played.

7.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 19:02:17
Davey, relax mate. It’s a lovely day.
I’d play for free, but it’s Tosun’s job.
He wasn’t a die hard fan when we signed him.
His agent, not him by the way, will be advising him to get the best exit deal possible, that’s what he’s paid for.
It says nothing at all about Tosun’s character - it’s just the reality of football, wages, contracts etc. He’s done nothing wrong - he talks about the club affectionately and I’m sure he’d like to have played more games. Not his fault we blew a load of cash on a hang average striker.

8.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 19:13:50
Not sure how many of us would walk away from a few million quid in all honesty! Can't really blame Tosun, he signed a contract after negotiations with the club, they agreed on the wage. If anyone is to blame, it's the people who sanctioned it in the first place.

With Delph, his playing Time or effort he puts in has nothing to do with being wrongly accused of being a paedophile. Can hardly blame him for speaking out over that really.

9.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 20:02:31
I'm pretty chilled thanks JB and have enjoyed the weather.
I am merely stating that if the reports are true and tosun is interested in money not football, then I think we should pay him not to play football. I do not think we should pay him to get paid by someone else to play football.

10.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 20:27:22
He has a contract that was signed in good faith. That’s all there is to it.
Glad you’ve had a good day mate 👍🏻
Let’s hope we have a few more once the season starts.

11.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 21:58:14
I could understand paying the shortfall, but like the Koeman debacle where we made up the rest of his salary for the period he had left on the top of his Netherlands little salary
But I don’t think he should get double bubble.

12.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 22:24:30
JB, I’d agree, it’s not Tosun’s fault he is where he is. To be fair, in my opinion, he’s not the worst and I also think if it wasn’t for agents he’d be more approachable. As you say someone spent too much but Tosun isn’t alone with that label.

13.) 23 Jul 2021
23 Jul 2021 22:40:17
Davey you're seeing the Tosun situation as a fan . Would anyone leave Vauxhalls on £600 pw for Ford's on £400 . The Dave Hickson's of this world sadly don't exist anymore.

14.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 00:09:19
Bernard left for less money to play elsewhere, never heard Bernard demanding we pay his final years salary.

I would personally keep hold of Tosun, if we are going to pay his final years salary, then let him remain at Everton, than get a nice signing on fee, at another club, and a top up salary by the club, offering Tosun a contract.

I am with Toffeedavey on this one, if a player is moving to another club, then why should Everton have to stump up a years salary, when he will be employed elsewhere and paid as well.

Shame the likes of John Moore’s is no longer around, he would have Tosun, turning out for the stiffs, on a cold wet Tuesday evening, down Grimsby, rather than pay him off, knowing he would be signing for another club.

15.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 04:06:40
If you want to blame anybody blame the recruitment people who thought he was good enough, blame the legal people who gave him the contract.

Sure - I'm a bit angry when we've looked after him when he was injured but even that was what we were contractually obliged to do

None of us know what negotiations have taken place so stop having a go at the player. We signed the contract too.

16.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 07:22:07
Not sure either myself or Bignev had a go at the player? We stated the very obvious that money matters to Cenk tosun, playing football does not. That is fine and absolutely up to him - as you all say he signed a contract. Part of that contract is paying him about 10 times what he's worth, and the other part is that he works for us and nobody else. All we are saying that if he wants the first half to be honoured then we should ensure the second half is also honoured. I know we've supported him through injury after injury but he's still entitled to ask for a few more million from us to leave - I just happen to think that the answer should be no!

17.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 08:18:18
Hes injured until December and can sign a pre contract in January so why would he go?

18.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 09:42:06
Ah didn't realise he was still out for that long! Might as well stay then for sure. He can just hope someone will take the risk on a pre contract agreement with his injury record. Can spend second half of season getting some match fitness under his belt with the under 23s and hope he doesn't pick up yet another injury!

19.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 14:12:25
I'm sure if he and the rest of the players ever read these posts they would appreciate the support shown by some supporters

Thank goodness it's highly unlikely.

20.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 15:03:32
Eh? The consensus from the posts is that he is choosing money over playing football but that he is perfectly entitled to do so. If he came on here he would surely just think "yep they are all correct. "?
Until joining this site I hadn't realised that supporting a football team means never criticising any element, and that you have to think everyone ever associated with the club is perfect in every way otherwise you're not supporting them properly - but I'm a big believer that you're never too old to learn so I'm grateful to you for educating me in that sense buddy.

21.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 15:17:08
I presume by the way that most of you are astounded to see Bernard leave and are not expecting anyone else to leave this summer? None of the players people on here talk about wanting rid of would be able to get their wages matched elsewhere so if its so unreasonable to think that someone might want to go and play the game somewhere for 2m a year instead of 3m a year to do nothing (for example) then the only way our situation will improve will be as people's contracts expire.

22.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 15:32:27
TD You really don't know wtf you are talking about. You said in a previous post that you didn't think you were having a go at Tosun yet in the previous posts post you openly questioned his character, desire and ambition
When did he get this latest injury? When he was out on loan so I presume Everton were getting a loan fee and some of his wages paid? He hadn't sat around just taking the money - he wanted to play. He was doing exactly what you are accusing him of not doing now

Get your facts straight - you're an embarrassment.

23.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 16:16:28
I admit I easily get wound up in some of my posts by obnoxious twits like you BW. You call me an embarrassment - and you say that primarily because I sometimes have views that differ to yours. You are the embarrassment in my eyes pal.

You say that "he was doing exactly what you are accusing him of not doing now". Is that the case? Engage your brain for just a moment before you answer that - and please bear in mind that you yourself made reference to the fact that the other club would have paid some of his wages. This is the key fact buddy - he was receiving his wages in full so I would suggest you give that some careful thought and then come back to me on whether it is exactly the same!

24.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 16:22:39
And to clarify. You say I questioned his character, desire and ambition. I said that choosing money over playing is a clear indication of his character, desire and ambition and I meant this in the footballing sense. The vast majority on here agree that he is doing the right thing so think that the character, desire and ambition shown is spot on. There's no way of knowing what each of us would do in same situation to be fair. If I'd been earning £3m a year for 3 years and there was an option to play but maybe it'd take me two years to earn that amount I too might be inclined not to bother.
My personal view is that there are still footballers who want to achieve things on the pitch and are prepared to take pay cuts (whilst still earning large amounts and already being set for life) at times if it means playing the game and having the opportunity to achieve but I accept I could be wrong about that.

25.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 16:43:03
TD He is contracted to Everton so he gets the wages he is contracted to get. This shouldn't be hard for you to understand as it is the same for every person on a contract.

Do yourself a favour and shut up before you make a bigger fool of yourself. We agreed his contract. End of

Why you think EFC can renege on contracts because we made a mistake is complete madness.

{Ed0666's Note - this getting tiresome people can we just finish this debate now please

26.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 16:54:57
TD I say you're an embarrassment because quite simply you are. You're not obnoxious. You're just an embarrassment to rational thinking fans

What are you saying now? Tosun should have said 'hey Everton - I never deserved the contract you offered me. Please take back while I am on loan'

Get a life.

{Ed0666's Note - TD & BW anymore tit for tat bollox and you’re both getting banned. This is a banter site if you want to personally attack each other take it elsewhere!

27.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 17:00:31
Yea no problem Ed. BW think there's been some confusion - I haven't intended to suggest that we should renege on the contract. I thought the original post was about us allowing him to leave to sign another contract with another club but him only being prepared to do it if we paid his contract up in full. Whilst he is at the club of course we should honour the contract. And I think he should stay at the club for the next 12 months, rather than us pay him the exact same amount to leave as I think that would be entirely pointless.

{Ed0666's Note - there you go mate it’s not so hard to give each other a belly rub and be rational is it?

28.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 17:01:09
I agree Ed but I'm tired of idiots slagging off players on unfounded gossip in the papers.

{Ed0666's Note - TD is not an idiot he’s just a very naughty boy 😍

29.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 17:03:48
OK = point taken.

{Ed0666's Note - love conquers all mate ❤️

30.) 24 Jul 2021
24 Jul 2021 17:06:19
I don't know how to do a kiss kiss emoji.

{Ed0666's Note - 🍆🍆🍆 there you go mate 😂