Everton Rumours Archive August 09 2013

 

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09 Aug 2013 17:09:23
When will we get our season tickets?

Pecko

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Alot of peoples have already been delivered

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I got mine last week

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I got mine about a week ago

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Still waiting for mine

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Payed for kids up front there's came last week I done mine over 3months not come yet must be sending out in stages ste46

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Got mine last week over 24000 sold

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I got mine last week

TC

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I have to prove my age? why? I've been a season ticket holder since 05/06

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Heard that there has been an admin error, everyone who has received theirs are OK those who haven't may need to wait another 4 weeks! some bright spark in admin deleted the address mailing list last week!

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To the post on proving age it's probs because an awful lot of people lie. Especially with the special prices for under 16s etc at cup games.

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I spoke to a tickets sales person at Everton, on Thursday. She said all tickets will be out by end of the coming week.

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All tickets purchased via direct debit payments will be sent out next week

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10 Aug 2013 18:59:44
Thanx for the replies

Pecko

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09 Aug 2013 16:53:51
So Hull's owner thinks his club has a "lousy identity" and should be called Hull Tigers. Imagine BK selling up to some random billionaire who thinks Everton should be called something sexier, like Merseyside Marauders. It's always worth remembering the upside of having a chairman who's a genuine fan and knows the true value of the club.

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Honestly, I wouldn't mind what we were called as long as we were given the kind of money Chelsea and City have had to spend. I believe in success at all costs.

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Which is exactly why he approved the changing of our badge to the current monstrosity.

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What Football Club Do You support?

Dwells

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To the first replier: success at all costs?
So you'd lie and cheat and have players on performance-enhancing drugs and bribe match officials and fiddle the books?
Amazing that your reply begins with the word "honestly" and ends with the phrase "I believe in success at all costs"!
Everton is a proper football club and although I'd love us to have better finances, I dread getting trigger-happy owners like so many other clubs have endured.
Happy-Camper

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But look on the bright side, the S**** can be called "Liverpool Norwegians"

Andy The Chef

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09 Aug 2013 18:36:44
I agree entirely. I want to see good football, but not at the expense of the clubs heritage. City and Chelsea are a bad joke in my opinion, not "proper" clubs at all.

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O. P. I agree with you 100% The grass is not always greener on the other side, we should be grateful for what we have.

First replier. Are you sure you are on the right site? Or the right Planet for that matter?

Happy Camper. Bang on the button mate, we would all love unlimited finance but not if it means loosing our club.

Final thought. Wouldn't it be fun to convince John Henry that a name change a-la Hull is a great idea, I'm sure the "Liverpool Ladyboy's" would be a big hit for them!

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'something sexier' lol, whose taking ovhis seasoner? Hugh Hefner?

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Well done "Happy-Camper" for taking my reply completely out of context and twisting it. You'd make a great reporter.

Obviously, when I say "at all costs", I mean within legal and sportsmanlike bounds

"Proper football club" this, "Heart and soul" that. You sound like Kenwright. Watch him spew this exact kind of thing when we sell Fellaini for £15m to United. Don't hate him though, because "he loves the club and always has and it's a proper football club that isn't bought by money. "

I'm tired of the same story. I would love success for Everton and I believe in perusing it at all (legal) costs.

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Merseyside Marauders does have a catchy ring to it don't you think? No? Just me? I'll see myself out then.

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But Hull does have a lousy identity and probably would be improved by giving it a name like Hull Tigers - so he probably has a point

and at the end of the day if he owns it then its his decision

and before you reply that clubs belong to their fans - then my reply is that they should do but they mostly don't which is a shame

to my mind all football clubs should be owned by their fans in the form of share ownership where no one person can own more than 1% of the club for example

wouldnt it be nice if Kenwright said he was going to sell the club to its fans - at a discounted value of say 100m

then we'd know if he really wanted to sell it and had the club and its fans interest at heart rather than his own interests

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Look at cardiff, their owners made them switch from blue to red, what a joke

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I could live with the the 'Everton blues' or 'Everton toffees'. The hull guy hasn't really changed much IMO - they were known as the tigers anyway

Pod

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Hull city are already nicknamed the tigers, and listening to what the fella has to say it makes a lot of sense. As for cardiff changing to red, I guarantee that particular change would not happen no matter who came in, that change, was based on the fact that red is the national colour of Wales and that its a popular colour in the far east. The fact cardiff has no real rival that plays in red helped. This crazy idea that bill is doing a good job because he hasn't switched our shirt colour or renamed us the Everton toffees or isn't venkys is ridiculous. If that stuff makes it ok by you that he has run this club into the ground, lying to fans and screwing up 2 ground moved (kings docks failure is far and away his worst crime) selling off our assets and letting shysters and nobodies ruin Everton while he sits in London alternatly crying and guffawing to sky cameras then fine. But if you don't mind I will take your playschool justification for keeping a board and chairman who have financially ruined our club and seem to have no real idea on a tangible way forward, and discard it in the nearest dog mess bin.

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09 Aug 2013 15:22:12
i do'nt mind felli going and I agree that baines is irreplacable, but I hope that we are prepared for losing both and do'nt wait untill its to late to replace either. i've got a feeling that bk wants to
wait until the end of the window so the
money comes in for other uses not for other players

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That's just plain stupid! the guy runs us and needs us to have atleast some success on the pitch. to do that would leave us exposed and we why would he want to leave us that vunerable, as a businessman or a fan!
What pisses me off is moyes knws we have little options in the transfer market so if he wants to business for our players if he had respect for our club then he should do it early to allow us to replace not play the games other managers did with him when he was in charge

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I see no problem in moyes trying to get the lads seemed to be inevitable to me. has martinez not done the same on wigan
as for bill i'm sure buisness comes first

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09 Aug 2013 18:43:19
Nah, you're talking pyar cod faeces there. Bill is, no matter what others would want you to believe, a decent man and a decent chairman -If it's good business he'll let 'em go, but never to screw the club over.

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Why is everyone slagging moyes for supposedly putting bids in for Fellaini & baines. Don't moan at him it's up to our board if we sell, blame them! At the end of the day if the rumour of 50 mil is true I think we would be stupid not to take it but only if it an be spent on top players coming in! A top striker and a center half! My worry is an I posted few wks back that they will be sold very last min an won't have time spend the money!

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I totally agree with another poster on here
bill should get up and say NO SALE end of story. this would show we mean to stop being the team that over achieve
last season most commentators said we were short 1 or 2 players for champions league spot. that team still exists now, why break it up?
with the existing team plus a peter reid type midfielder and a tony cottee type striker, top 3 finish plus trophy

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09 Aug 2013 13:55:00
Honda is oficially tone. Milan reserved him in jan.

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We were never getting Honda can't pay what he wanted in wages hope we sell victor and john hettigner not good enough to were a blue shirt

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09 Aug 2013 13:25:24
We should not let a double deal for feli and baines happen. Baines should not be for sale at any price and we should play hard ball over a move for fellaini. These players should be dealt with seperately. Baines is not replaceable, no LB in the world could replace Baines, I couldn't pick one.

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Look Baines is excellent but to say he is not replaceable is just madness. Think
long term for a minute, how long do you think Baines can maintain his performances at his current level? The truth is he can't go on for ever. If a big enough offer comes in it really does have to be given serious consideration. I know he has been our best performer and I don't want him to be sold but you have to look at our overall position objectively.

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I have to agree Baines is irreplaceable. I would sell Fellaini for 25m not a penny less as his buy-out clause has now expired so we can quote any price we like. Would also let Heitinga go for 2m Naismith 2.5m and Gueye 0.5m that's 30m total. We should then buy J. McCarthy 12m M. Diame 4m V. Moses 7.5m and T. Alderweireld 4.5m total 28m. How would this go down with my fellow blues and Ed?

Dero. {Ed025's Note - i think naisy will play a big part this season dero, other than that, i like your buys..

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And re baines, no one is irreplaceable. If they come in with big enough money for a 28 year old then so be it. He could step on that pitch first match and rip his knee ligaments. Step forward Bryan Oviedo! JP

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I'm with you Ed, he got a few good goals last year ghosting in similar to the way Cahill used to find space. I reckon he's an intelligent player if deployed correctly. So Davie stuck him on the right wing were he was useless. He can join a whole host of other forwards who Davie Moyes murdered. Naismith, Jelavic, Beckford, Saha, Yakubu, Johnson. He never had a clue/interest in how to set a team up to benefit its attackers abilities. The only forward who truly worked in Moysies system was Bent who did everything he was asked of. Shame he left really for Beattie. Another victim of the centre forward serial killer? RVP. Especially when Felli's taking the long balls.

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09 Aug 2013 12:45:27
As much as I love both Fellaini and Baines, if we get a £50m joint bid can we really afford to turn it down? I believe if we get £50m and use £40-45 to invest back into the squad we could get 3 or 4 top top quality players

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With 50m sign mcmanmoman. Jorginho. Marrone. Matri alderweireld.

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30m. from Felli enough. Marrone 7m. TA. 5.5m. Attacking MC. 10m. Total 22.5m. Isn't more than enough?

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That would be a sure fire way of wasting £50m with those players. Alderweireld excepted

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True, if we could get £30m+ for Fellaini we could split it between a striker and a Top quality Central midfielder and maybe buy a CB with the money we currently have (£5m of so) we would then have a very strong squad

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We all need to stop being so everton minded when it comes to how transfers work. You know how we would not want to sell Baines and Felli or say Mirallas other clubs and their fans don't want their players going. If what is happening in Russia is true that's the market to hit otherwise we are running out of time to complete transfers based on funds we might get in a week or so time. A transfer for money involving another club takes a long time now to complete unless there is mitigating circumstances like a player going on strike.

Svenny

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If we buy 4 quality players, we then have to pay quality wages for 4 players.

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So I take it everyone thinks fellaini is off then?

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Guys, what you have to remember is it's all well and good saying we have 50 mil so sign x why z for x why z pounds but we still have to pay their wages, agent fees and all the other add ons etc that comes with this kind of thing. It's not as simple as selling 2 players who are probably on 70-80k a week between them but then to bring 5 in on close to 150k or more than the first 2 we sold then it doesn't fit as a business model. In short, we couldn't afford it. {Ed025's Note - very true paddo..

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No way in a million years would Bill give RM 40-45mil out of 50. He'd be lucky to get 25 mil of that. If Bill sells both to the mancs that's me done. I've always backed Kenwright but I could never defend that.

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If we got £50m plus a good £20m would be paid back to the banks! Don't forget we have borrowed on money we haven't even got yet. , eg the sky money over next few years etc

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Easy to say reinvest the money but on who? Two quality players leave and five average ones come in. Keep Baines at all costs.

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Your argument lost all credibility with your second sentence and the "£40-45m to invest back into the squad" Where have you been during the Kenwright years? Marooned on a desert island? If Martinez got £15m of that figure it would be nothing short of a miracle as any blue worth their salt knows

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09 Aug 2013 23:15:13
you don't have to spend big to get good players and pay them big wages for example baines jags coleman mirrales didn't cost a fortune.

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09 Aug 2013 12:40:23
I honestly don't think Felli will suit the Martinez method (quick passing and movement) and apparently Felli has said the same himself - hence the transfer speculation and other clubs being interested

Moyes needs to grow up and get a grip - he's not penny pinching any more like he was with us - if he wants a player he should cough up the market price and move on - stop haggling moyes you prat

apparently Fergie did the same when he arrived from Aberdeen - and he said it took him a while to realise he did not have to do that scrimping and saving malarky an more - and then he just went and bought the players he needed and paid the money to get them

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09 Aug 2013 13:49:30
Is it common practice for managers to state how much they want to bid for a player?
Is it not more likely that the manager says who he wants, and the board set the amount bid?
I don't reckon Moyes had anything to do with the amount offered.

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09 Aug 2013 12:12:31
despite bill kenwright stating there will be money for martinez ( I know he has spent 6million, but what about the 12 we had I january?) but we will not sign anybody else unless baines or fellaini are sold. once again he let's us fans down

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That's what I want to know. what happened to the Leroy fer cash (at the time the bid was 8.6 million)and the negredo bid plus sky money and the savings of wages from hitz, nev and jan. surely we must have at least another 15 million to play with this summer. I just hope bill doesn't do another arteta and sell a player on the last day of the window cause if he does he will have to come out and tell the fans what is happening

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I don't believe he has let the fans down, we have made 4 signings, all be it one of them on loan. If we keep Baines and Felli (which I believe we will) I for one will be happy with the summer dealings as I think we have a decent squad I would only ask that we give youth a chance this season and mix it up a bit.

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Mate give us chance its over 3 weeks untill end of the transfer window yet. don't get me wrong I will be the first to be chastising the board come 2nd September if we ain't signed a couple more players
Cheeks

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WE DIDN'T HAVE MONEY IN JANUARY HENCE NO SIGNINGS!

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We might have another 15m, he might just be waiting to see if fellaini, or Baines goes, because that could affect how he would spend the money. Either way, the signings we have made are not good enough to end our transfer activity. We need 2 quality players.

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09 Aug 2013 13:50:50
Sound business acumen for Bill not to overspend in my opinion.

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My point is, that kenwright promised money, we MAY make more signings but I don't believe it will be untill we sell.
Kenwright has a track record of doing this. i. e the arteta money suddenly vanished, and the supposed 12million we bid for negrado in january?.
yes we may have signed 4players 3 of whom if we are all honest we wouldn't have down as big signings. and let's be honest we were all looking forward to players such as leroy fer, honda etc. I just don't believe we will sign anybody else unless we sell first.
This begs the question, where is the money goin?

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Give RM real time with squad before he decides were he needs to strengthen, I never expected big signing till after return from USA, there is just under month left of window, plenty time for signings.

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09 Aug 2013 14:28:58
25 days to go chill out

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Now that the US tour is over, I'm expecting more incomings. RM said weeks ago, he wanted to see what he already had to work with. Now he has a better idea of where improvements could be made, I'm expecting at least a couple more signings, regardless of the Baines/Fellaini situation.

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Lay off BK ffs! He said there is money to spend, we have spent some. The window is still open but the little matters of the manager wanting a certain player, that player wanting to come to us and their club actually letting them go for what they are worth and not a hugely over inflated price have a big part to play, having the cash to spend is not the be all and end all of it.

Give Robbie a chance and if we don't sign anyone else have this conversation after the window closes if you must.

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We have more money to spend regardless of sales. Buying players is not easy. Some of you think we are the only club in the world with players we would not want to lose and fans that would get annoyed if players were sold. It's very hard these days to complete signings unless the player himself forces it or is seen as surplus to requirements elsewhere which equates to being not very good.

Svenny

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I'm sure I read somewhere that the board have given RM £15 million to spend, but every penny raised through sales would ALL be given to him to rebuild if he wanted. still early days, nothing usually moves till the last few days, so c'mon guys lay off for now eh!

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Where has this been said. The actual words that "nobody is coming in unless Felliani or Baines are sold" Am I missing something here??

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Oh and well said Svenny

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Jesus BK just can't win with some of you. We 've signed 3 plus a loanee, that's more business in one window we've done for a while. If there are to be other signings then great but please be patient because we still have a tight budget and also need to take into consideration who we sell as that will dictate our next move. we may wait till last few days of window when prices are more realistic

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Guys the man promised us the money for new players so why have we got to wait until we sell players, which will happen, by which time the targets have got fed up waiting and moved to Swansea or Southampton leaving the Blues to feed on the scraps again. At times I can not understand when people come out and defend this Billy liar. How many times is this going to happen.

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Fellow Blues yes we have signed 3 plus a loanee, but we have let people go and loaned people out which in my books equals same size squad and we are again thin in terms of players available.

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Lets all be ho est nobody wanted kone and nobody wanted alcarez. people are only defending tbese signings because yes admittedly we have signed them. its just strange isn't it that we get linked with players such as negredo riquelme and they never seem to arrive. don't get me wrong kone and alcarez are everton players now so ill support them as much as anybody, but they're hardly marquee signings are they? kenwright, some of you forget makes these "there is money to spend" statements practically every year and every year that money comes from sales of players

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We have spent much more than 6 mil, think about wages for 4 players on average of 40k per week, probly 8 million in extra wages + 2 mill joel and 6 mill Kone, give Kenwright his due he runs the club better than any of use could ever do.
Trueblue.

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Kenwright has run the club into the ground and turned net assets of £20m+ into net debts if £49m yet he's doing a good job? Wow, unbelievable!

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Wages do not come into transfer budgets, otherwise how much should we have in the kitty considering yak arteta saha rodwell neville jan mucha erc who have all left

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09 Aug 2013 12:07:04
reports saying the mancs have bid 50mil for both baines and the big wig!

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Would have to take that, if it was all re-invested in the squad we could get in 4-5 high quality players. what's your thoughts Ed?
Cheeks {Ed025's Note - i dont want to lose them cheeks, slippery slope that for me mate..

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£50,000,000 is a lot of money for a club like us. are we really in a position to turn it down? I'd love to think we are but I think bill's eyes would light up at this and he'd accept without a seconds hesitation! This could be are chance to prove were not a selling club and tell UTD an Moyes to jog on. here's to hopin! COYB. IMWT

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09 Aug 2013 11:05:23
Martinez needs to come out and say that a couple of teams have bid for felliani to start a bidding war. he dosent want to stay anyway

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Problem is mate, fellianis agent will know that only man u are in for him so moyes will also know. The same with Rooney and bale. And this is why the RS are holding the ugly one to ransom. No one besides arsenal is in for him.

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Bidding wars don't really happen anymore. Normally, the club agrees a fee, then other clubs match it, and it all depends on the players choice and wages.

If we get anything north of 25mil for Fellaini, would grab it and run. Felli isn't a 25mil rated player in Martinez's system, not mobile enough and not comfortable enough on the ball in my opinion.

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No bidding war. Two words- release clause!

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It really is astonishing and unfathomable how people cannot grasp the concept of a release clause.

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So Fellaini told you he wants to go did he? Strange he had not told anyone else that

Svenny

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His release clause has expired since the 31st of July, its astonishing no 1 can grasp that eh.

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10 Aug 2013 13:11:54
Have you seen his contract and gone over it with a lawyer to know his release clause has expired? Or do you just believe everything you read in the papers?

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09 Aug 2013 10:16:57
Ed I was just wondering if you could clear something up for me mate. A few months ago there were rumours on here of us receiving 25% of Rooney's sale if he goes above £30 million. Is that 25% of the whole sale, i. e. if he went for £40 mil, we'd get £10 mil or is it that we get 25% of any money over the £30 mil mark? So if he was sold for £40 mil, we'd get £2.5 mil? Cheers Ed.

BitterBlue {Ed025's Note - 25% of the profit, so your last figure would be near the mark mate..

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Thats awful negotiating by us, we should have put a clause in that would have got us a lot more money than that especially considering Rooney's potential at the time.

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To be honest if he goes for 40million then pocketing 2.5m for a player that left 10 years ago for 25m+ is great at the time the chances of him leaving utd was not even thought about so it will be a bonus look at Southampton they won't get a penny if he goes to Madrid and they choose to take 1.5m instead of % of future sales they could of been looking at 10m+

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The final payment on the rooney deal was performance related on trophies achieved at Man U and ended a couple of seasons ago. We receive nothing else from now on.

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09 Aug 2013 09:14:18
CSKA will deny Milan for Honda every price.

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09 Aug 2013 02:55:17
everton to hold talks with juventus star marrone

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I have a feeling we will go for Cabaye if we sell Fellaini, not been mentioned and I think we can get either him or McCarthy for 15 big ones. Defo see the bigan going unfortunately.

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08 Aug 2013 23:50:10
Shane Duffy is set to join Leicester City on a season long loan deal. But he has other clubs to choose from so will be down to him.
AlexSmithEFC

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