Everton Rumours Archive February 05 2018

 

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05 Feb 2018 17:13:04
Ed 002 (especially) , please don't castigate me too greatly for speculating baselessly, but given what you all know of the mindset of the board and the key players, is there any possibility being given to dispensing with Allardyce and moving on Silva now, as opposed to the summer? (if indeed Silva remains well thought of) .

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{Ed002's Note - To the best of my knowledge the board are not looking to move SA and CS on at this time. As for Marco Silva, he is speaking to another English side right now so I would not hold your breath.}

05 Feb 2018 19:07:52
I don’t want Silva. He either got totally distracted by our interest or he completely lost the plot. Either way there’s something not right there.

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05 Feb 2018 20:03:40
Ed002.I have heard that SA is astonished at the mental strength of our first team, which requires addressing but surely the recruitment/ management of the purchases is a huge issue. Is to your knowledge Steve Welshe's position under review in anyway as he clearly is no DOF?

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{Ed002's Note - Honestly, I keep having to answer the same questions over and over - please read the posts, use the search engine.}

05 Feb 2018 22:19:20
Equally cursed and blessed then. Cheers Ed002, much obliged.

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05 Feb 2018 14:24:58
i know i picked fonseca, sarri or gallardo as my top 3 managers before but how about arteta? a lot of good things getting talked about him being a top coach.

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05 Feb 2018 16:13:50
Someone who knows the club snd is respected in the me. If Guardiola rates him as a coach, we could expect some classy football - not like the shower of s we’re watching now. Why not I say.

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05 Feb 2018 16:45:06
not for me we need someone who has managed at the top level.

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05 Feb 2018 19:11:00
I like the idea of Arteta. There’s definitely something about him for PG to use him. I’d be very interested to see what he could do if he came back as coach/ manager.

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05 Feb 2018 20:14:40
Im sure i read the other day that Man City blocked him from joining the Welsh national team as coach, as he is thought of very highly as a coach.

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05 Feb 2018 21:05:23
I think arteta could be a successful manager at a high level in the future, it is possible. POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE, being the most important words.

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06 Feb 2018 09:30:32
Arteta was a great player during his time for us, I can't question that. I do wonder why he is still lauded by a section of our fans for the way he dumped on us from a great height when he moved on. This was the man who wanted us to break the bank, back in those days of abject austerity, a man who took a pay cut to get his move.

A man who turned Arsenal down at tea time only to change his mind with an hour or two to spare on deadline day, giving us no chance of finding a replacement.
As much as I liked the player, I have lost respect for the man.

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06 Feb 2018 14:36:58
i don't think you can lose respect for a man who gave his all for us then a good career move came his way and he took it mate i think taking the pay cut is a reason to respect him he moved purely for football reasons and not financial gain.

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06 Feb 2018 16:37:19
It was more the way he went about things to be honest johny1989, he held us to ransom for a while over a new deal which would have smashed our wage structure at the time. So to take a pay cut in the 11th hour giving us no time to replace him is a bit naughty imo. It just goes to show how fickle fans can be. Rooney left to win trophies but was castigated for many years, Arteta does it and there is nothing really said!

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08 Feb 2018 18:36:54
I can't believe we loan out Lookman, what is sam doing ed? Can anyone not see that the future front 4 is Lookman, Henry oyenkuru, sigurson, an Walcott up centre dash that is a scary line up you can play 2 holding midfielders with them 4 as well, pace, direct, power, and goals from all of them. What do you think? .

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{Ed025's Note - i think your right don, sooner we get shut of this clown the better mate..

05 Feb 2018 01:26:29
Much as we love playing in European football - and however unlikely we are to scrape into the Europa League - surely we can do without the burden of pre-season qualifiers and Thursday night football next season? It's clearly ruined us this season.
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05 Feb 2018 10:30:41
A decent break and a good pr-season without having to worry about qualifying for the Europa League would undoubtedly be beneficial for the lads BobbyC, but there are other reasons why they have been so poor this season. The main ones are some of the players simply haven't been good enough and the tactics have, for the most part, been awful. We as fans can see what/ where the problems are. The pundits on TV and in the press can see them too. But for some inexplicable reason the club/ management appear to be blinkered. Playing in Europe can be taxing, but that's no excuse for the dross we have to watch week in/ out.

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{Ed025's Note - i have to agree BigH..

05 Feb 2018 12:31:15
Best post I have seen for a long time, agree completely.

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05 Feb 2018 12:47:38
You can't blame playing in Europe for our poor season. If anything it should have helped us improve as a squad. Think about it. We looked poor in our preseason games, and even in the early rounds of the comp, struggling to beat teams I had never heard of.
The only way we will improve is to stay playing in Europe, being out of it just weakens us.

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05 Feb 2018 15:55:45
I think you can blame Europe to a point. The early start meant our usual pre-season was condensed. Lots of new players didn't get a chance to play together / bed in etc as competitive action started very early.
That said - there is no excuse for the garbage which has been served up. There are far too many bad apples in the squad who are not working for Fat Sam and hardly pulled trees up for Martinez, Koeman or Unsie.
Seamus in his first game in 12 months showed the entire squad the level of guts and effort that should be a given. Likes of Scneiderlin, Williams, Keane haven't shown that much effort all season.

Seamus has been a huge loss for us. Make him captain and bring in a similar sort at LB and maybe we will start to progress.

But having thought we finally had a squad to be proud of it is scandalous that we need to start riupping it up and starting over.

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{Ed001's Note - surely the early start to competitive football should have helped new players bed in? The only effect it should have is tiredness later in the season.}

05 Feb 2018 16:20:36
I would give anything to see us back in Europe next year. It has some obvious drawbacks by having to start the season so much earlier but that is our own fault for only scraping in by the very last spot. We can consider the qualifiers to be our pre season games so don't necessarily need to play any more matches than we would in any other pre season.
By being in Europe, albeit Europa rather than Champions League, we should be more enticing to players considering joining us. And the opportunity to play against some high quality continental competition is what i want to see at the club.
Also, yes we had a disaster this year, but if we did not play our Europa qualifier, we would never have identified and signed Vlasic. It's always worth looking for the bright moments and that for me is one of them.

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06 Feb 2018 08:41:23
Ed001 - my thoughts are that we weren't fit enough AND we hadnt sorted our team shape, best 11 etc etc. WE struggled from the off, confidence was hit and the likes of Sandro, Klaassen and later Vlasic have never had a proper chance.
I think with a settled side the early start may help. But we had so many new faces that they needed more 'pointless friendlies' to sort a shape and understanding.

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{Ed001's Note - not being fit enough would have quickly been sorted by playing matches, that is just an excuse. Building an understanding comes in training and playing together, you don't need to play pointless friendlies to do that either. Again more excuses for crap recruitment and management.

The manager is responsible for managing what he has and was utterly incapable of even making the effort to be a part of things, that was the biggest issue. The second biggest issue was the woeful recruitment that saw you pick up the wrong players.

Starting the season early should have been an advantage early on but the mess the club made of the summer meant it was not. Making excuses for mistakes is the way to go about making sure they are not rectified in the future.

Everton deserve better than a manager who thought he was too big and important to be managing Everton. Koeman was wrong, he was not good enough for Everton, not the other way around. But that problem has been fixed, though the choice of replacement shows the club still has not learnt lessons from the mistakes made picking him. You might want to make excuses for those failings but I would like to see Everton learn from them and find the right manager next time out, rather than yet another arrogant arse who thinks he is bigger than the club.}

06 Feb 2018 14:56:04
I second everything you say Ed001, but fear that without a major overhaul from Boardroom to bench we will slowly sleepwalk to relegation.

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06 Feb 2018 15:01:46
I agree re Everton deserving better and also re the poor recruitment - that said we all thought we had recruited well at the time. Hindsight eh! But 3 no.10's, no decent forward and no cover at LB was scandalous.
Disagree re the fitness side. It is no coincidence that each side that has entered EL at the group stages have had a poor season. The hard graft in pre-season is what builds you up for the season. It should have far more intensity than a friendly match. And as i said earlier, once you start losing games confidence quickly erodes.
All that said, the nucleus of that team have failed for 4 managers now. Total lack of bottle, character and ability.
I see another pre-season of much change.

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{Ed001's Note - hindsight? I told you at the time you had recruited badly and got laughed at. I told you Mee was the defender at Burnley you should have got, not Keane. You didn't need hindsight to see that Rooney was finished years ago and should never have been brought back, plenty of others said the same thing. It also did not need hindsight to see you needed a genuine striker, which Sandro is not really.

I see what you are saying about the fitness but it is perfectly possible to get fit and play games, it is about managing it properly. It is also not true that each side that has entered the EL at the group stage has had a poor season. Though that is not related to early starts anyway, as the group stages are not that early in the season. I assume you mean the prelim rounds? In which case it is no different from Champs League sides having to pre-qualify and that doesn't present any real problems either.}

06 Feb 2018 17:25:14
I think Rooney was as much a commercial / profile raising signing as anything else. Totally agree re a CF as i said above and, whilst i didn't laugh at you, i certainly can't argue on the comments re Mee over Keane. Keane has been dire!

And yes i meant the prelims. My mistake.

PS - What you doing in the summer Ed 001. Hoping there is a vacancy going for a DoF!

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{Ed001's Note - I doubt Walsh will be given his marching orders just yet. Moshiri handpicked him, I think he will want to back his judgement call on that for a while yet.}

06 Feb 2018 20:33:56
Agree with most of what you say there Ed. Although, on the whole, I think Rooney has been a decent signing really. He’s played some good games for us and scored some important goals.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't see how he has been decent, he gets in the way in every move and is constantly anywhere but where you would want him to be. Yes he has scored some goals, but at what cost? I mean on the pitch cost, not wages etc. Would say Sigurdsson have scored and created more if he had played there? Would the team as a whole played better without a headless chicken running around brainlessly? If you are in midfield and looking to play a pass to him you have to search around to see where he is, because he could be anywhere. So you can't have an understanding built and just play a ball immediately, like you could with, for instance, Vardy up front. Which slows down your play and allows the opposition time to recover positions. That was especially a problem in the first part of the season when you had so little pace in the team to attack them with. You needed the ball to be moved around at pace but the players are unable to keep it moving one or two touch as they are spending 3 or 4 touches trying to figure out where he is.}

04 Feb 2018 23:15:52
Why is Schneiderlin playing so poorly this season - especially having shown good form when he first joined? He isn't a bad player, so something is clearly amiss.
Here's an opinion (out of left field) : when he joined, maybe he became the top earner, but the Summer signings have matched or bettered that and he's miffed about that. Anyone got a better explanation?

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05 Feb 2018 06:38:48
Maybe he is angry about the sacking of Koeman.

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05 Feb 2018 06:48:38
So reward him with pay rise?

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05 Feb 2018 10:36:47
He is one of the laziest players I have ever seen play for us and the quicker he's gone the better. Have you noticed how different/ better Idrissa plays without him? We need a clearout in the Summer but the problem is who is going to take our rubbish off us and more importantly who is going to want to come here. The future is definitely not bright at the moment.

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05 Feb 2018 12:52:30
High,
Players move for money mate, most don't give a toss what the team is like as long as you pay plenty.
As for Morgan he's getting paid loads so he won't move unless he gets a similar deal.
Player power!

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05 Feb 2018 15:58:20
without doubt he is the laziest and most gutless excuse for a footballer i have ever seen in a blue shirt. He jogs everywhere, gets 'near' to where he should be, but hardly ever actually makes a tackle and i have NEVER seen him throw his body on the line.
He is a central mid . That should be a given.

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05 Feb 2018 20:21:51
To answer your question Big H. David Moyes, that's who.

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