Everton Rumours Archive August 21 2013

21 Aug 2013 22:57:46
Baines and Fellaini double deal to Manchester United for 40m

Sign-
Kolarov-3-6m
Mcarthur 13m
St -20m
Alderwield for heitinga and 1m

Baines isn't leaving and we aren't signing James Mcarthur.

Baines ain't going and I wouldn't sell felli for less than 30 and I don't think BK would for less than 26m anyway McCarthy is overpriced.

Felli 30 m.
Bainsey 20 m.
no more negotiation.

IN
TA. 5 m.
Diame 5 m.
Promising Striker 20 m.

That seems a bit steep for Mcarthur, I wouldn't even pay that for McCarthy.

Listen to yourselves, moaning that utd have made an insulting offer for Baines and fellaini and then assuming we can sign alderweild for 5 million and kolarov for 3-6 million, the cheek of it. And what is st 20m? Does a price tag score goals? Let the obsession with money go, and stop valuing a 29 year old full back with a handful of caps at 20m, be realistic, we don't want him to go but that doesn't make the price the issue

Alderweireld has one year left on his contract so would be cheaper than he normally is, and Kolarov isn't fit to lace Baines' boots and only cost what he did because citteh bought him. Baines, had he been Kolarov's age should bring in at least £25m.
As it stands he's worth at least £15m (Baines)

The lack of caps is down to Ashley Cole being overplayed due to his involvement in Chelsea and past experience with England. He is undoubtedly the best LB in the PL. To be honest I can't see a LB in the world that is currently better than him.He is very good defensively, very good passer, attacking abilty is superb and does few that can cross a ball like Bainsey. Just look at how many goal scoring oppurtunities he created last season. He is easily worth 20m. For CURRENT ABILITY, he could go to any team in the world and improve it. Regardlessof hisage, he is irreplaceable, unique, and LB's of high quality are quite rare. He has fair few years in him so don't give me that rubbish. The simplefact is, if he was at a top club, people wouldnot be talking his price down. Oh ye, I forgot about his excellant fitness, stamina and the fact that he is one of the most consistant performers around.

Alderwield, Kolarov, McCarthy, Barry, Moses.

Baines is worth exactly what we think he is worth. If the club think he is worth 50 million then that will be his asking price, if they think 15 then it'll be that. No players are worth the ridiculous amounts of money these days but that's the nature of the beast. Baines value is priced on how important he is to the team and how much it would cot us to replace him with a player of similar quality/effect plus how badly the buying club want him. If the selling club does not want to sell, the price hoiks up significantly so it's not just the case of putting a value on him and sticking to it.

Also to the op, where do you suggest we arre getting the money to pay these players wages? They all look like they would command big contracts on plenty of money. I've already done the math once on here so times 70k by 4 (for the amount of players) x 52 (for the weeks in a year) then times that by 5 (for the contract length) and see what type of figure you arrive with over their wages alone.

So at 29 he is worth at least just 3m less than dani alves cost barcelona and a few million more than jordi alba cost them? be real, three years ago when he was 26 no-one gave him a mention and all of a sudden he is a world beater! where was he when whitakker crossed from the right for norwich to equalise? maybe good going forward but far from the best left back in the world {Ed030's Note - To a couple of the other posters regardless of departures Everton will under no circumstances be spending £20 million pounds on a promising striker or any striker. }

No one out and Mc Carthy in for €12-€15m.
EFC should under NO circumstances sell our best players to Manchester United or anyone else for that matter. Robert Martinez is now calling the shots so let him get on with it.
Ray

It doesn't matter what other teams paid for other players it is what baines is worth to us. Plus they would cost a lot more now. Secondly, yes, with age Baines has made a lot of progress. I remember last season when robin Van persie missed a sitter. Does that make him overated, and over-hyped. Things like that happen mate, its called football. He is very good defensively, just take a look at his stats. Combine the attributes found in earlier posts with how important he is to the club, how unique he is, and how hard a replacement wpuld be to find. I think a 20m price tag is justifiable. We don't want him to go, he hasn't handed ina transfer request, these are also factors. To be honest I would be dissapointed if he went for 20m.

To an earlier poster blaming Baines for one of Norwich goals. There can't be very many good right backs about as Baines consistently delivers from the left. My point is that even the very best can't stop everything (IMO he is the best LB in the world atm) just as a goalkeeper can't d save every shot.

21 Aug 2013 22:08:53
Huge week in Everton's season coming up, if we tell Davy to do one and look elsewhere that sets out a huge statement of intent, incomings would be a bonus but keeping these two is essential.

Alot of fans seem to be happy to let Fellaini go, but for me he breaks up play well and he is a real asset from set pieces, a real unique premier league centre mid and someone I do believe we would struggle to replace.

Come on Bill, ignore any offers coming in, our season could hinge on his deicision. Sneaky feeling there could be some unhappy blues come september the 2nd.

Alex

Spot on. felli is top draw.

I agree. it will be difficult for Martinez if he is to lose feli or Baines, god forbid both. Fellaini is one of the best CM's in the PL. I don't understand how he has been talked down recently. When he was scoring, everybody buzzed off him, but the great thing about felli is that that he can occupy and role in the centre of midfield and sometimes that involves him playing deeper. He is a gift to a manager, a tactical dream.

At last a fellow blue speaks sense. we need to keep them both.

Agreed. can't understand some of those blues who want felli gone. moaning at him bout that wigan match. let's hear em when he gone an we have someone like g barry coming in. they'll be moaning then

Well said.To all those who would cash in on the big fella go to youtube and search for Fellani.
Have a good look at some of the compilations and then tell me you'd sell him!

Id think a lot of them are more resigned to losing him as he has publically stated before he wants to play champs league, there's no doubting felli is a good player but since christmas there's been games were his body language was all wrong and you suspect he wanted a move. were as baines has given a 100% week in week out and dosnt thing he's too big to play for the blues

MikeDeBlue

By the way if you support everton and go the match you don't need compiliations of hours upon hours of footage crambed into 5 mins were anyone can look good

21 Aug 2013 21:11:35
I don't care if he played for Liverpool I would happily take Raul Miereles at Everton

Nah he's crap

What's the point? Not good enough for them. Certainly ain't good enough for us

The bloke looks and plays like a clown!nooooo thanks

I would take him too! Great player!

Just because he has a Spanish name doesn't make him good. {Ed030's Note - To the second reply,Meireles was good enough for Liverpool,During his time with his he played very well and a lot of fans myself included didn't want him to leave. }

21 Aug 2013 20:34:11
Chantome has joined Toulouse on a season long loan, why didn't we go in for him instead of Barry on loan?

Every player were linked with seem to go to Tottenham!

He might have wanted to stay in France for all you know it's not all about us.

It says toulouse mate, well they do look the same, actually no really

I would prefer Barry. I would class him as a top signing, even on a loan deal.

21 Aug 2013 20:21:23
Hi Ed, I read that Milan are stating they're still in talks with Honda and nothing has been signed yet. Do you think he could still be on our radar? {Ed025's Note - i would love to think so phil, but im afraid that ship seems to sailed mate..

Shame, cracking player that boy, commercially it would have been a good deal too

We don't need Honda we've got Ross the boss! COYB

21 Aug 2013 16:59:57
Ed you say you get info off someone inside the club.what part is this person in the club? Player, former player, steward, boardroom, media, club shop, groundsman or his staff.

Have you heard anymore off this person on transfers? and how certain is he/she we will have few more in before transfer window is shut {Ed025's Note - lets just say an employee, who says there will be additions made..

Ed, why the wait for new editions? Keepin the money in the bank don't make sense once the season started. There is no money only buy to sell. {Ed025's Note - wait and see mate..

I do hope we get 1 or 2 more in.I'll stick by your word ed you seemed 100% ccertain with the naismith deal last time.

How often to you speak to this employee? {Ed025's Note - fairly regularly mate..

I can reveal ed is . BK he'll deny it but that's how you know it's true {Ed025's Note - you got me quinny!.. :)

21 Aug 2013 15:51:25
So who's not looking forward to transfer deadline day I think it's going to be best yet it will explode and I have a sneaky feeling that we will be involved in a big deal we may loose baines or fellaini but expect the arrival of Rooney he air going to Chelsea that's a fact cause he walks into the champions if he does he wants to get away so get on 33/1 to go to everton on loan

I have something for you, mate. It consists of three words, one apostrophe, 16 letters and 2 spaces: ROONEY'S NOT COMING.

21 Aug 2013 19:57:25
Would be an absolute amazing piece of business if this happened, would not say no to Rooney and imagine how charged up he would be to be back with us he would be unplayable!

Why would Rooney go to Everton at the peak of his career?

Get a grip pal, he will stay at United. {Ed025's Note - because he hates your manager and your club?.....im warming to him now.. :)

He was at his peak bout 8 years ago, can't beat a man these days or you lot would be more interested in keeping him, to the mental fans that think we now can pay 250k a week to loan him ROONEY is not coming to everton il give u a 1000/1 because its easy money

MikeDeBlue

22 Aug 2013 11:55:36
MikedeBlue, If I get in touch with big Bill to put a Mill on that 1000/1 bet with you should be enough to cover rooney's wages. what do ya think? should cover rooneys wages for say. 5 years with change to spare to put into the transfer fund! CraigHuytonBlue

21 Aug 2013 14:57:15
What happened to offering baines a new deal?

Probably waiting for the transfer window to close because anything could happen even if he did sign a new contract.

Really if Everton want him to stay, the fans do, he should come out and say he wants to stay, and the club should give him a contract. I thought he loved the club, but you wouldn't blame him for going, he is not going to win anything at Everton.
Bluenose

Not going to win anything? How negative are you? Can you predict the future? Shocking statement from a so called blue.

21 Aug 2013 13:59:30
Baines would not want to go head to head with Evra due to a World Cup year he needs to be playing week in week out I don't think he'll go he's not much younger then Evra anyways if Utd get Ozil or Modric they will pull plug on both deals. BK has to be strong and not cave in at 35mill thou!

Yes, but if he goes to Utd he'll be guaranteed a place in the England squad because, well, he'll be playing for Utd.

How many players would get in the England squad if they didn't play for Utd? (i.e. Smalling, Zaha, Cleverly)

Very good point about United players. How may top season performances has Baines had to put in, just to get reckonised as a contender for England LB, Evra is very good, but Baines is the best at what he does. Evra would have no chance.

21 Aug 2013 14:11:35
no wonder all the other clubs are skint all sky seem to do is put the top teams on tv by Monday night man utd, Chelsea, man city and Liverpool I no the last team is not a top team would all have been on tv twice and its only the 2nd games shame on sky I for one have get rid of my tv because am fed of watching this crap

Some of those games will of been on Bt sport not sky

21 Aug 2013 18:21:38
Hold on don't throw it out the window yet, we are in twice it Sept. Its all done on picks but of course the top 4 plus LFC and Spurs get more games as this is where the numbers are. If not watch some come dine with me don't throw your telly in a skip!

I agree! Tv sucks! Read Shakespeare by candle light. {Ed007's Note - Isn't a Meatloaf song?}

21 Aug 2013 13:35:18
Ok, Ed. What is your opinion on these? (Simple yes or no):

Will Fellaini leave?

Will Baines leave?

If they, or just one, leaves, will we see it happen on deadline day?

Denial of whether they leave or not, will we still make a 'marquee' signing?

I'll be so happy when this is all over. Will you? {Ed025's Note - 50/50..no..probably..yes..yes..

Ed you would have lost in the yes/no game there! Mr Blue Sky {Ed025's Note - yes mate, err..no i mean.. :)

21 Aug 2013 12:34:29
Im hearing that Baines has secretly told Martinez that he fancies a new challenge with Utd, but he doesn't want to upset the fans with a transfer request.Everton are holding out for a bid in excess of 16m.Still not enough in my opinion but I think our hero may be off.

And we're have u heard this football manager 2014 get a grip


Sinnott1878

Well, we don't care what you think. We only care about what actually happens.

Bye-bye, possible red.

How secret was it? You appear to know . marks out of 10 for bringing this to the attention of all Blue supporters NIL .

This is quite simply untrue, he does not wish to go, and, on a personal note there is no love lost between him & moyes.

If Baines has secretly told Martinez he want's to go then how would you or anybody else know? You do know the meaning of the word secret don't you?

If it was done secretly how do you know

21 Aug 2013 05:35:20
It's like we have a new signing in Barkley, he is going to do well and take pl by storm. I do think Roberto will have 2 more targets

Jv

Saw the first part of that opening sentence. You are Bill Kenwright and I claim my prize.

21 Aug 2013 12:52:57
Better than a new signing. He has not been given the chance he should have, maybe that is a positive that DM didn't give any of the homegrown lads much of a chance.

For the 2nd poster claiming his prize get down to machinemart they do loads of tools

21 Aug 2013 18:26:55
Although well hacked off with DM and what is going on he did give home grown a chance, Rodwell, Rooney Barkley got a few games, Victor, Ossie and Hibbo, Vaughn until injuries curtailed it. There others he bought in like Stones, Green plus more. Coleman. Don't thinkk you can say he didn't give home grown a chance really.

21 Aug 2013 02:29:48
I believe James McCarthy has already agreed a deal with us and this will be concluded the minute Fellaini leaves, wether its Manchester United or arsenal he goes to, personally I would'nt have anymore dealings with Manchester United the way there showing a lack of respect towards OUR club, the moyes dealing and now there LOW offers for players.
Mr Blue Sky

I doubt a deal has been sorted for McCarthy as everyone's favourite chairman Whealan has not come out and told us where McCarthy is going as is the norm for him!
Also, I'm struggling with this whole agenda against Moyes. I think it's great our players are linked with teams such as united however I doubt it's Moyes putting in the transfer prices! Just like when we buy we will buy for the best possible price and not go in with an audaious overthetop price, united will be trying their hand at that too. Just because we are everton shouldn't mean we should expect over the odds bids for our players!

So you value Baines &Fellaini at 28m for the pair? Moyes knows the financial situation at our club just like he knew he was going to be Manchester United manager way before BK found out, why didn't Moyes sign his contract at Everton? Because he was told he was in line for the man u job, Moyes was shafted Everton imo and he's had an input on the transfer effort to get Baines & Fellaini. So for me Moyes has p!$$€d on his chips with Everton.

Mr Blue Sky

There is a pecking order in football, sadly a club like Everton are dining at the middle table. I am a red from Salford and don't like the way things are done now, however we have to be relaistic. If you worked in your local corner shop selling fruit and veg for £300 a week and Tesco said, sell ours for £3000, where are you going to be working? This is all that Moyes has done, moved on to bigger and better. {Ed025's Note - its called ...selling your soul for 40 pieces of silver..

I accept he's moved on to a bigger club but the way it was done was VERY UNDERHANDED by united and moyes and for that reason I have lost all respect for moyes!
Weve moved on, we've got a manager who won't be negative or bottle it in the big games.
For what its worth I don't see moyes lasting 3 years at united.
Mr Blue Sky

Moyes did not bottle it in big games, the players were simply not good enough. Do you think Preston fans were happy when you took Moyes in the first place? Do you think Wigan fans think Everton were underhanded in the way you took their manager? Its life and it happens. Its not selling your soul either, I don't know one person who would not leave there current job if they were asked to go to a better place paying more money, and Ed 25 that includes you and all reporters. {Ed025's Note - but we paid compensation to wigan...its called having scruples!..

Good debate non the less and ed 25, thanks for your comments. I spend more time on Everton's page than United at min, if I read one more comment about Ron "coming home" I may smash my computer! Good luck for the season Everton.