Everton Rumours Archive August 20 2013

 

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20 Aug 2013 23:46:01
People on here saying Baines and Fellaini aren't going unless we get 50m, we all know what BK is like, if Utd bid 40 he'll probably let them go. Really hope not but got a sneaky feeling.

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Can you remind me for how much Lescott left? I think you don't know what BK is like if you think that.

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Anything between 35-40mill and BK will start to wobble I guarantee it all this BAs about him being a true blue even if he is he's a businessman he know Utd won't pay more then that!

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35 million and they're as good as gone as the remaining little differences in value can be quickly sorted through long term add ons. "We'll give you 15 million for Baines now, and if we win the Premier League you can have your extra 3 million etc. "

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Less than that mate, if Utd come in with 30 mill they are both off. Definately. {Ed025's Note - if £28m is deemed derisory and insulting..how the hell will £30 be enough??...get a bleedin grip!

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20 Aug 2013 23:41:56
Next few days are crucial to us as a club, surely we can't roll over and sell ours assets cheap and not replace them? Can't help think that there may be a dramatic twist in this with Rooney and Evra coming to Goodison in exchange? Your thoughts please? {Ed025's Note - no way mate..

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20 Aug 2013 20:53:20
Qm I the only one who doesn't rate McCarthy?
I mean he's good but I wouldn't pay much more than say 8 Million for him, 15 million is ridiculous and 20 is just a joke. I mean if he was worth it qand was that good, would he still be at Wigan?
Diame looks a solid buy, for say 5 million max. Plus we could get Barry in on loan and Barton on a free.
And Gibson, Osman and Fellaini are all comfortable in the central roll (which if he stays, I think is where fellaini will play) but there are plenty of other options than McCarthy and I would be disappointed if he was signed, as so far, as much as I hate to say it Mart�nez has been lazy, he has only signed players he has already had, like him at United. neither of them are proving that they are stepping up if they keep going in and raiding their former club.
The more promising things that I have seen are that we where something like 2/1 favourites to sign Tom Ince, and 3/1 for Barry. I would be happy with those to for virtually peanuts.
Rant over. {Ed025's Note -

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So you would be happy to carry on filling the team with old men then. McCarthy is 22 and quality player! Would compliment Barkley perfectly. Nice is a brat who thinks he's better than he is. But hey let's buy cheap and hope for the best eh.

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Dave Whelan could sell ice to the Eskimos.

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Here's a good one. don't sell felli and don't sign mccarthy. Simples.

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People underrate him just because he plays for Wigan, I've watched the lad countless times and he's the real deal in midfield. He reads the game very well and can defend as well as attack and his vision for passing is superb.

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Mc carty is a very very good player. on a par with barkley. he has being playing premier games since 18 and rob claimed he was his first name on team sheet when he turned 19. just cause he's not English and hyped up by the media he goes under the radar. he is by far the best prospect for an irish international since roy keane. (not that we have world beaters!) 20 mill is too much granted. 12-15 is more in line. ps he battered English midfield in a friendly while back. rooney bounced off him in a challange

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He is a good player and has had some stand out performances (including in the fa cup last year) but iv seen him have several quiet games in the premiership aswell. He was lost in the charity sheild the other week against United, very quiet. i'm not comparing the two but Fellaini hardly ever has a quiet game wether he's being sent off or scoring the winner! He's class. I agree with the OP that surely we can spend the money more wisely. McCarthy's a good player but for that sort of money there's better out there.

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I agree with the original poster, may be a good prospect but not for £15M, by the end of it we would have given Whelan £20M plus the RM comp.leave the Wigan disaster signings at Kone and let that be it.

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Most people are suggesting McCarthy as a replacement to Fellaini which I don't agree with - they are completely different styles of players. I also agree with the OP that £15m is definitely overpriced for him. He would improve the squad if we do sign him though. However I think a better option - if Arsenal DO sign Cabaye - would be Aaron Ramsey who I think is better and we could potentially get for less than McCarthy (if Arsenal replace first), but neither are a fellaini replacements in the slightest!

The closest I can think to his style of play are Sandro at spurs (who I can't see leaving) and Nzonzi (who isn't really as good), so can't suggest a better target in that department unfortunately.

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McCarthy is more of a holding midfield player, think we need more of a creative CM, similar playing style to pirlo but a bit of a hidden gem. Maybe look at la liga. One example of top of my would be Granit Xhaka.

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Although I rate McCarthy as a good prospect £15M is far to high. If he was rated that much he would have had other clubs looking at him I also think that RM would have put a bid in for him if he rated him that highly. IMO I would wait until either the winter transfer window or even next season and see how he gets on in the championship. If wigan don't do so well they may well be looking for funds to bolster their squad and we may have a chance of getting him at more appropriate cost. I personaly would not buy Ince as I don't think he has the correct temperament for EFC. I would definately try to loan Barry if we only had to pay a small percentage of his wages as I think he would be a good squad player.

SA90

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Very solid player but because he's does nothing spectacular he doesn't get noticed much. Has a bit of everything to his game and will only get better with age and impose himself on games more.
£15m is a bit steep at the moment but in years to come he'll be worth twice that so we'd be buying potential.
It's a shame we can't buy him to add to the squad without selling first as we'd be a lot more stable with him taking osman's place alongside Fellaini

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20 Aug 2013 19:47:35
It's very simple, both player are under long contracts, we just say no sale. Then we are in total control, the only way they leave, is if a club comes in with a massive offer, joke offer to be rejected out of hand.

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Most sense spoken yet, top man!

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But felli is for sale

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Says who, I've not heard the club make a statement saying their looking to sell him, rm was sayin the other week that he feels this is going to be a big season for felli

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The club have to say things like that or else players value wil drop, it is simple really, if right offer comes in for felli he wil be gone to balance books, its the everton way, always has been

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20 Aug 2013 19:04:52
Talk of Arsenal now in for Fellaini . let's hope so in a way as if he is off it'll up the price with a bidding war . Even better if he did decide to go to the Arse over Utd. ;-)

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Should drive the price up by a couple of quid (literally!) by the end of the window.

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I still thank Ramsey is a good player. 15 mil plus Ramsey for Felli.

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But by selling to Arsenal we'd be strenghening our rivals, we should be competing with them.

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Wenger is tighter than theEverton board. He will want to give about £12m. Ramsey would be good but still need a ball winner

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If felli must go then I would prefer him at the arsenal just to p£ss utd off

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20 Aug 2013 18:49:49
If bk is fibbing"martinez will walk!

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20 Aug 2013 18:30:40
We are looking at the young Kenya forward Ga Zebo. He will be our marquee signing this summer.

Mike {Ed025's Note - i like it mike.. :)

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Don't think we have the intent to get him :-) {Ed025's Note - nice one..

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You need to get out more lad, or get a bird. tell ya what just get out more

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I seem to have upset a delicate little (no-named) flower with my post. I apologise to all who I have offended and will be totally serious in future.

Mike {Ed025's Note - you do need to get out more mike.. :)

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Well our activity in the market will certainly need to be more intense

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I think I need to get out more! The penny didn't drop until I read Ed's reply. Andybluenose {Ed025's Note - take mike with you andy.. :)

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20 Aug 2013 20:42:47
He's a great player, bit too camp though
AJ {Ed025's Note - you should see his agent AJ...guy rope

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20 Aug 2013 17:39:02
any news when gibbo expected back? {Ed025's Note - hopefully soon..

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20 Aug 2013 17:27:29
Hi Ed, can u confirm if we have shown any interest in any possible signings. Hope we keep baines - he's world class. {Ed025's Note - we have made inquiries mate, but no definite offers yet..

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20 Aug 2013 17:25:08
The letter is fake look at the date of it 19th and we released at statement week rejected it sometime last week and it only got announced this week because they didn't want it to affect the squad for the opener

Wasy

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20 Aug 2013 17:20:34
OUT -
Fellaini - £25m
Gueye - Loan

IN -
McCarthy - £15m
Chantome - £10m
Barry - Loan

Can't argue with that.

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Felli 30m

McCarthy 15m
Nanniggolan 12m
Alderwied 3m +heitinga

Mines better

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Yeah you can Mike. We'll be wasting money if we spend 15m on McCarthy and we simply can't afford to do so + he won't get all of the money to spend if Fellaini goes. I still hope we keep him, he's a different class.

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You are underrating McCarthy, he will turn out to be a star in a few years time.

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Gareth Barry is a has been, and not even a very good one at that. He stands out just because he`s English, would not entertain him, not good enough.

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£10m for Chantome? I'm sorry but he's worth £5m tops.

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At best mccarty and barry or chantome and barry

we would never spend the lot never done business that way

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Sound mike so what about this season because were not wall to wall full of class cm

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20 Aug 2013 17:19:10
If and I say If we get a realistic offer of say £45 Mil for the two, if anyone thinks we will get good replacements for some of the figures I've seen on here, forget it the prices will double.

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20 Aug 2013 18:37:27
OR agree a fee for the replacements before you sell our two and you get them at the prices quoted on here. solution! I believe this is what happened with Fer in the last window. we were pricing around replacements in case felli was to leave, he didn't, then the fiasco of withdrawing the bid occured. CraigHuytonBlue

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20 Aug 2013 17:14:27
from irish blue
just a question to you all
what bullsh7t did bill tell martinez when he was offered the job
must have been good when martinez promised champions league
what do you think?

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From watching the initial press conference when RM was unveiled, his suprise at BK`s statement of "Champions League" football being linked and directly in comparison to moyes statement of "Staying up" was a complete bollox, That one moment of shock and terror on RM`s face led me to believe Bill was doing a drama one,

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I also don't think CL is guaranteed for this year I think RM meant in the future after he has had some time.

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Cl is definitely not guranteed unless your man u, man city or chelsea then you have 4 teams going for the other place, which by looking at spurs investment will also be way out of reach

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20 Aug 2013 16:28:24
whats going on at the moment behind the scenes there is someone among the staff who just want to make a laughing stock of our great club firstly last week we all got excited about a big announcement from godison park only to find out it was something to do with fifa 14 what a joke that is now I see the away kit is not available till the 1st September when it was originally the 22nd august so what's happened with that so the away shirt want be available to buy on sat in the club shops when 40000 fans will be going through there doors no wonder there is never money available some one needs sacking in marketing or even kitbag as this is not good enough

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Agree mate! And try getting a kit anywhere other than official outlet of club shops or web site direct - impossible! What happened to the good old days when you could walk into most sports shops around UK and buy one?

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Me and my dad always go mad I have been saying for over 15 years you should have the shirts out for the start of everyone's Sumer hols that way you sell lot of shirts to the fans going away clubs have there 3rd kit out and on sale before are home kit is out club is run by persons from top to bottom coling0151

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I have been trying to order the home kit for my boy and believe it or not there are no socks his size in stock already.

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The kit is available in jd sports in st helens and also all nike shops

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There was 2 people in the away kit at Norwich sat behind me

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Just to let everyone know it's still out on thursday

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Hows it out thursday its the 1st its on sale, and only threw everton or kitbag

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I would be suprised if they sell many of them anyway, being as they are changing the badge again next year?

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Also new kits are not even on the kitbag website very poor

boney Blue

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To the op - agree the FIFA thing was a complete balls up. However FYI it does not matter if we sell one shirt or a million we get the same amount of cash from Kitbag/Nike regardless. It is there problem if they don't sell many not ours. This obviously has positives and negatives and can be debated till the cows come home.

Svenny

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Everton official saying Barkley and jags meeting fans tomorrow AT AWAY KIT LAUNCH, your info is false

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20 Aug 2013 16:05:57
Sell Both Baines and Fellaini for £50 to £55 million.

Purchase all these players.

Steven Defour £8m DMC
Tranquillo Barnetta £3m Left Wing
Ivan Rakitic £13m AMC
Georginio Wijnaldum £6m AMC
Toby Alderweireld £8m or £3m with Heitinga cash & swap deal. DC

Total £33 million or £38 million

Oviedo moves to Left Back with Garbutt as back up.

The remaining transfer money and money before selling Baines & Fellaini goes to purchase new Striker and pay off some debt.

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Well we can safely say that will not happen man united won't pay any more then 35-40 million and those players there are all average plenty of players we can look for better than those if we do sell our two most precious players at everton

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First of all I don't think Oviedo/Garbutt suffice to replace Baines. I wouldn't sell him unless we had a quality LB lined up.

Secondly, it's not that easy to just go and buy 5/6 players with September fast approaching.

I would personally sell Fellaini (soon) and replace him with 1 midfielder and a utility player as cover for a few positions.

Sean Grannell

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What about the wages for said players, an obstacle often overlooked. And you can bet your bottom dollar that if we sell on our terms clubs will up their prices for players we would look to as replacement, so £6m for x suddenly becomes £8-9m.

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Bender and Kolarov for Baines and Fellaini replacements. Bender 16m, Kolarov loan. Will give Martinez a chance to assess Oviedo over a period of time, as he could become very good. Barry on loan and a swap deal: Heitinga +3/4m for Alderwield. At this point in time there is little point tring to spend the money from Baines and Feli this transfer window. 45-50m should be the price. Would have 25-30 m left. Sround 10m to pay off some debt and 15-20m for the next window.

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Even if we sell them both, there is no guarantee any half decent player would want to come to Everton. I say keep them both, or sell Fellaini, as he is the one that wants to go. But please do not sell Bainsey.
Bluenose

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Dear me football manager certainly dominates some people's lives

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The players available and the figures given are based upon reports on tv regarding clubs valuations of their players. And yes swap deals are difficult to negotiate but Ajax seems the only plausible option to offload Heitinga, if not, then cash would be available. Therefere don't criticise, and don't toss around that tiring cliche just because people speculate. The point is, that there are replacements and further potential acquisitions within a modest price range.

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You've cracked it mate, well done. Nothing can stop us now with your master plan.

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What about the wages! No chance.

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Someone's definitely been on the funny ciggies again! No way in a thousand years they are going for over 40 mill! If Moyes valued Felli at 23.5 mill he'd be at United now. Baines is 29 in December, I can't see him going for 20 mill. I think BK will accept 35. I hope I'm wrong like, but we've been here before.

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20 Aug 2013 15:48:44
Martinez has said "I don't believe in getting involved in the transfer window when games are underway" does that mean no more signings? I'll be worried if so.

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Are squad is good. why would you be worried?

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We need a creative midfielder, Fellaini in an attacking role will not suit Martinez's style, we need someone better than Osman with a bit of pace who can play in the hole, either that or a winger and move pienaar inside. Everyone who will be in the top 8 has added real quality to their squads, we have bought Kone, that's just not enough first team players.

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I agree we need a central mid before the window close or we could be in big trouble if 2 get injured

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20 Aug 2013 14:54:57
Hi ed why do u think we haven't bought anyone for decent money. Were has all the sky money gone because it seems to me we have to buy before we sell {Ed025's Note - as far as i am aware john, we still have money, i still expect to see the squad added to mate..

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20 Aug 2013 14:52:46
Would you rather have barry or barton. i'd have barton. Paulefc

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If forced to choose one it would have to be Barry for me. For no other reason that we can do without the Joey Barton Flying Circus around the club.

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You sir are drunk. Barry is a class player, and would be a big signing for us, loan or not. More class, better attitude, and has more experience (eg in CL and winning PL) than Barton. There is no comparison. Barry isn't the most exciting player, but what he does is very important and he does it to a high quality, like Carrick for example. His passing abilty and tackling will beenift the team massively and will aso benefit the playing style.

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Barton for his passion and mobility.Barry is about as fast as cold treacle

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Neither end of.

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20 Aug 2013 14:47:33
Bore off with the Rooney, Donovan & McCarthy talk. Sell Fellaini & bring in diame if he is available. Watched him last week. What a player. Looks strong got pace is young & more importantly wants to play! We need to bring young players in not the likes of Donovan! Did a job for us but come on guys we can do better?

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If Donovan is on a free after his MLS contract expires he is a good addition. Good competition for places. He more than did a job for us, he was one of our better performers while he was here.

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20 Aug 2013 14:09:28
Everton drew their Premier League opener 2-2 at Norwich and Martinez says the club's sole focus is now on this Saturday's fixture against West Brom.

"I don't believe in getting involved in the transfer window when the games are underway and we are in a very, very important moment of our season, " said Martinez.




So we can rule out any ins.

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And hopefully we can rule out any outs.

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It would be very disappointing if that is correct, we need another CM on top of what we already have, even if we keep LB and MF.

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He will have given the board targets and work will be going on to bring 2 more in before the window ends even if the other 2 stay. what Robbie means is that he is totally focussed on planning for west brom.

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20 Aug 2013 13:58:39
persons saying Kenwright doesn't do smoke screens Leroy Fer fails at us goes to euros with u21 finishes 2nd half of the season then signs for norwich for 4m instead of our touted 8.5m :-/ this vadis from club brugge was signed and that didn't go through but then we hear nothing about him? sort the dramatics out! Get a CM need a natural ball winner ossie too lightweight tell utd no to baines 30m for felli end of discussion

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Fer injured at the mo just saying

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20 Aug 2013 18:19:14
And given he failed his medical with us would explain the reduced fee

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What's to say the new manager doesn't rate vadis

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Yeah gibson injured at the mo as well? so how can gibbo pass a fitness test but this kid cant? I've heard it was something off the pitch but its everton same story as oh we put in a bid for negredo, shearer, messi, every year this b******* comes out! and martinez might not like vadis but moyes had 3 transfer windows after that happened to sign that kid and all of a sudden he doesn't want him? smoke screens mate BK is a thespian producer of course he loves the dramatics

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20 Aug 2013 13:55:50
According to the Guardian, Stephen M'Bia is available on a free and would like to stay in England.

He could step into Felli's size 12's I reckon, if the price was right with United. Don't know about his wages though, they'd be high I'd imagine.

Would hate to see Baines leave. Any replacement would be nowhere near as influential. He put in more crosses than anyone in the Prem last season and the season before.

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20 Aug 2013 13:52:03
Martinez statig today that he isn't a fan of transfer window being open after season starts seems to me as though e is saying there won't be any more incoming to Goodison this summer

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Very naive if u believe that!

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Martinez interview on radio merseyside saying he is concentrating on wba game as he has no interest concerning the utd saga also he is no fan of the transfer window whilst the season has began but is looking to add to the already excellent squad he has inherited

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20 Aug 2013 13:52:02
Fellow blue it saddens me to say this but knowing our club I personally think its only a matter of time before they are both sold to the mancs. The only fear I have and won't be surprised one bit is that both are sold on final day of transfer window leaving us high and dry yet again. Negative comments but would anyone be really shocked if it happened??.

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Been saying this all summer! It's so predictable! If we do sell both & don't replace I reall fear for us!

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From irish blue
my point exactly bill will get as much as he can for baines and felli on the final day knowing that its to late to replace either with decent players
sometimes 1+1 does equal 2 {Ed025's Note - can you tell me the lotto numbers for next week?...

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Irish blue
wish I could ed
seriously this situation regarding our players is making us look like the feeder club for the macs

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Just for Irish Blue.United have made a bid for two of our players.The last player we sold them was Rooney, ten years ago.How the hell does that make us look like a feeder club?Stop the paranoia.

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20 Aug 2013 13:36:27
Here's one to debate!

IF ( and that's IF ) .Baines and Fellaini were to go to Utd, what about a swap deal for Rooney + £20m our way .

The wages of both and some of the £20m would go a good way to Rooney's pay, especially if he was to take a cut, or Utd financed it a bit etc . Also there would be a few £M to buy a decent holding midfielder .

Not forgetting EFC'S claim that there is money in the coffers to sign soemone ( or is that usual bull?)

debate .

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It's not quite that simple, I'm afraid.

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How highly do you value then two? Man U value Rooney at above £35m. They clearly don't value Fellaini above £20m otherwise they'd have activated his release clause, and considering both offers for Baines have been the same, they value him at £12m. There is NO CHANCE they will offer Rooney AND £20m. That's beyond delusional.

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Plus the new holding midfielder would want paying I expect so we couldn't really use Baines and Felli's wages to pay Rooney.

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Let the lad dream. Some negative nellys on here need to.

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20 Aug 2013 13:25:10
Its simple sell felli for 25mil and bring in james mccarthy, luca marrone and toby alderweireld. Still pissed that we are selling to buy again. This sky money was supposed to be nearly 30 mil and we have spent 6mil. If the end of year report if we have made another loss there is something majorly wrong.

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Everton don't need to sell to buy, but it seems you're all too ready to!

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20 Aug 2013 13:18:29
all this Baines / Fellaini / tranfers in and out debate .

no one has mentioned the Banks! They will have the ultimate say on all this . EFC have just refinanced a deal with Barclays and its all been hush-hush on the agreement etc .

Ask yourselves with all the extra Sky money etc - why no major signings? why no investment in the ground? even the likes of Southampton, Fulham, Sunderland have spent much more than us pre season .

its because we are SKINT! and need the revenue of a major SALE to keep the Banks happy and head above water!

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The banks have absolutly no say in the sale of players! As long as we keep up with payments and don't default we are left to run our own finances.
If you have a mortgage a bank won't turn around to you and block you from buying something to improve it if your finances are in order but if you default on your repayment plan then they are allowed to intervene into your daily accounts
Its the same with our club, we will decide if or when to sell

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We need players to get us in champ league and there either playing there or want to join clubs that are its difficult to bring in someone better than what we have with out going to 15/20+ we can sell baines and fellaini for 30/40million and bring in 3 or 4 players but won't improve on what we have now so why sell I believe our squad is better than arsenals and on par with Liverpool and spurs I thought spurs look average without bale

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EFC just last month refinanced with the Banks ( Barclays I believe ) and the outcome has not been made public!

the agreed debt may of been £40m last time but who's to say the Banks are now asking for a reduced amount of debt, and/or that debt has increased above the agreed £40m?

Think I'm right in saying Bill had already financed on the next few years of Sky tv money last time negotiated so that's not there for discussion!

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Once again 'The banks will have their say. No they won't unless we have defaulted on the payments.
We have just re-negotiated the overdraft. so the banks now let every one know everyone else's business, or those in the position within the club to speak with the banks also run their mouths off to all and sundry. Never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who claim to be privy to such confidential information.

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How the hell does anyone know the deal done with Barclays?Furthermore how can anyone say at this early juncture what's happened to the Sky money?Stop fantasising

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20 Aug 2013 12:58:13
If you google "baines" a story was posted minutes ago that he's waiting for assurances from man u that he's guaranteed first team football before he signs! Don't want to lose baines, hope he stays

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Utter rubbish nobody would guarantee anyone a game & any player worth their salt (Baines is by the way) would not want it.

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20 Aug 2013 12:32:58
Hi ed what's the word on this leaked letter from everton to united? Do you think it's real? If so then it's basically saying "we are not selling our best players end of story"
Which is Obvisouly a good thing!
What are your thoughts on the whe saga? Thanks ed {Ed025's Note - there are spelling mistakes in it mate, which tends to suggest forgery, but i really dont know..

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20 Aug 2013 12:31:12
Anyone see Landon Donovan hinted he may pursue a challenge outside of the US when his contract with LA Galaxy expires come the end of the MLS season? Would be a class addition to the squad and for free as well, Robbie needs to snap him up on a pre contract IMO!

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He's too old. He missed his chance of a permanent move

Pod

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20 Aug 2013 18:22:21
He also said a while ago he would contemplate leaving football altogether to pursue other interests and travel.

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20 Aug 2013 12:21:11
Heard this is a smoke screen, all the panic of both players leaving and at the end only felli goes, relief baines has stayed let's bill slip the money in his back pocket whilst felli sneaks out the back door and we cheer baines is staying

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Utter fkn dross.
i BK wasnt here where would we be yes 1st div agent johnson, 1 game into season yet numpts like you filling pages full of crap, ed just delete them #sick of it

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I agree! Why is all this BK's fault? If these 2 players leave (if) then £28m isn't enough their not on buy one get one free. Bluenose Will

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Don't think it's anything to do with Bill lining pockets, but if they sell and aren't allowed to reinvest the entire pot of money (Barclays demands) they know they will have a huge backlash on their hands. So they need to manage the press and the fans, regardless of the commercial reality.

No one has still answered the question, why would Everton submit a public response unless they wanted everyone to know about the bid. And while we are at it, why was there 'relief' from Martinez passing the 23mn clause deadline if we then only demand 25 mn for him (if press reports are true).

Anyway, we will all just have to wait and see. To be honest, if we keep Baines and can invest half the money we get from Felli, I am happy.

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As if Kenwright "slips the money into his back pocket" You can't hide that amount of money disappearing from a companies accounts or appearing in private accounts without inland revenue noticing
All these conspiricy theories are getting kind of boring now

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Agree. People forget what a shambles Johnson made of things. Yes it would be great if Bill had some spare cash, but he doesn't, and until someone comes in to buy the club at a fair price, why should he sell? As I've said before, if anyone out there has got a few hundred million quid flying around, let's have it, but don't keep harping on at Bill to give us money he doesn't have!

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Another cretin BK basher.Remember what he's done for the club and, be greatful he stepped into the breech when he did!

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20 Aug 2013 11:23:28
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league/30472-man-utd-news-everton-transfer-fury-deepens.php

That's more like it 42 million for both, cash no players in exchange.

Wellzee

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Can anyone tell me why only Man U are the only team to bid for the best left back in Europe he could fit in any team I'm smelling a rat hope I'm wrong but I think this is all sorted before moyes left

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They offered 28 mil for both and let's say they value both Fellaini and baines at 14 million each. Why would we want to lose 1 mill on Fellaini when he is a better player than when we signed him, surely moyes knows that.

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20 Aug 2013 11:09:11
personally I think that the "united double bid" is a bigger michael take than the governments VAT tax, but I think that its more important to keep baines than fellani. baines is irreplaceable,

but on the other hand there are several players who could replace the big man, mccarthy ( wigan) Holtby (spurs) poli(sampdoria) or if your being ambitious, Bender (dortmund) Erikissen(ajax),


Thats before you start lookig at under 21 players.

in roberto I trust, let's give baines a new contract and vice captain imo

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If you think fellaini is easy to replace I say to you wait and see when we sell him it's I told you so he can't be replaced by those players there are not many like fellaini he is different to what's out there be careful what you wish for believe me we would miss him

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McCarthy is too expensive, Holtby is unlikely to be sold, Poli has just joined Milan, Bender won't move to us and Erikson couldn't be a more different player to fellaini - no replacement at all.

Baines has already been offered a contract which he is yet to sign.

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If we would be prepared to pay 15 for McCarthy, I would rather take Bender for an extra 1 or 2m

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While I would hate Baines to go, nobody is irreplaceable.
blueimp

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20 Aug 2013 09:54:11
Anybody reckon spurs will come in with a cheeky 30 mil bid? They have got rid of 4 midfielders and brought in 2.

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For fellaini.

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If any team thought fellaini was worth 30m they would have paid 24m last month, wake up and smell the coffee

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Spurs won't be able to afford it untill they sell bale they all ready spent way over they weight all ready

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Spurs need to claw back the £80m they've just shelled out

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Spurs are one of the most financially sound clubs in the prem and all the signings so far haven't been reliant on the sale of bale according to one of the eds!

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20 Aug 2013 09:13:50
We have paid a total of £17.5m for Fellaini. We also owe 20% of any profit from a future sale to his former club.

With this in mind, do you really think we will sell for less than the old £23m release clause? No. We'd make so little profit that it would be a waste of time.

Think back to Arteta, Lescott and Rooney. When a player is in demand, we always make sure that we get at least double what we paid for them.

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20 Aug 2013 08:54:02
Ha just saw headline in 'news now'
Two words that wrecked the Fellani, Baines offer.
(Sadly they were not the two that immediately came to mind!)

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20 Aug 2013 08:07:54
Tell you united 30m for felli and 20m for baines all upfront plus bonuses if they win things give them till the end of the week to reply then refuse all later bids out of hand

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20 Aug 2013 08:42:46
Think more like £30M for Fellaini and £35M-£40M for Baines as realised prices. Sick of or players being hyped up and up all season in the case of Baines for then their value only to be then talked down. Its nonsense if and its a big if they come back juust tell them they are not for sale. If they want to buy Fellaini its £30M take it or leave it its non negotiable. Personal view Utd clearly don't have clearance from the top to spend more than £30M-£35M, its all being down on the sly but think this new chief exec's remit is to only spend within that sort of budget. Remember they spent £28M on Van Persie who was supposed to complete the jigsaw which he did as they won the title and he scored a load of goals. They won't spend more than £30M-£35M unless they sell first. that's my personal view. Quite fnny really, Moyes goes there believing he has got a load of money to spend but all he is being asked to do is keep it within a certain budget and try and se the clubs name and the fact they are in the ECL to get players for less than they are truely worth, certainly in this case. He is banking on unsettling them with the lure of ECL and doing it on the cheap. Out of order Moyes.

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Lets sell Fellani for 30m and Baines 20m to united then we can sign marrone jorginho. Moses alderweireld. Also get rid of heitinga. Perhaps buy a 15 m striker with the heitinga thrown into that

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Kolarov(loan), Bender(16m), Barry(loan), Alderwield(Heitinga+ 3m). Moses(Loan, view:permanent), Jackson Martinez.(22)

41- Which is roughly what we would recieve back of Feli and Baines after profit to Standard. Money with have already got to deal with agent fees ect. Loan big Vic and Naismith out, or sell to get funds if we have to. Sell or loan Geuye out. I know it is optimistic with Matinez and Bender, but optimism pays off sometimes.

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20 Aug 2013 07:38:03
Club statement in response to utd offer factually correct regards derisory, it didn't day players not for sale. We released statement claiming big fella clause expired now price has gone up. We are simply haggling about his fee. Wish we would at least put a minimum price for the curly one if he is to be sold and declare Baines not for sale. Wish for some clarity in our policy. Garreth Barry would be a shrewd addition to our squadron bolster midfield regardless of fellaini stays or not. Paul c

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20 Aug 2013 06:37:23
Just thought I'd share this comparison with you blues.

6 months before Brendan Rogers left Swansea for Liverpool he agreed a new contract and made it public that he had asked for a large compensation clause in case a top club came in for him. 7 million.

Once he became Liverpools manager he came back for their young talent Joe Allen, and offered to pay his true value to Swansea of 15 million. (this was allens get out clause)

David moyes decides to leave everton with no possibility of compensation due to his refusing to sign a new contract

He then comes back in for 2 of our players, waits until get out clauses have expired so that a cheaper bid can be offered. Utterly disconcerned with what their value is to the club that he served and the fans that aided his rise to the manager he is now.

It saddens me to say that the current Liverpool manager has more class in the way he deals with his previous employers and their fans than our previous manager of 11 years.

Gutted

Toffee ace

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Great post, I was never Moyes biggest fan and the semi defeat against RS was the nail in the coffin for me but what you've highlighted shows 2 very different ways of going about things.

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Davie moyes did a lot of great things in his time at everton like turned us from relegation contenders into a top 7 team every year with no budget.towards the end he lost the plot in big games eg the semi against Liverpool but overall he done a fantastic job and left with my respect.now since he has left he has shown what type of person he is.he has no respect for everton or the fans.i have lost every ounce of respect I have for that man and I hope he gets found out at man u.

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Very sad but also very true. Moyes has fit right in to the arrogant Fergie mould at Man Utd. Thought he was better than that.

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He's doing what every other manager does - tries to recruit players by spending as little as possible. Moyes, like Wenger, balks at the inflated prices.

There's so much revisionist hatred of Moyes on this board, almost like a mob mentality. A little perspective is needed.

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Moyes might not be the one bidding hell probably tell united he wants felli and baines and they will price the bid

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20 Aug 2013 06:17:58
Man u will make 2 seperate offers, for fellaini and baines.

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20 Aug 2013 05:59:01
Think baines wants 2 go, otherwise he would av signed the new deal by now.unless he's waitin 2 c what happens durin the twndow.if by then united don't meet our valution an he's got 2 stay he may sign on hopefully, but gut feelin he's goin.hope RM will b able 2 use the money 2 buy top quality if this is the case, bluejack.

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Baines has personally come out and said that he doesn't want to leave unless we ask him to. As for the contract still we don't want him to leave he should be signing a 5 year contract to keep him at the club until 2018.

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Why hasn't he signed it then, an put 2 bed man rubbish rumours!

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20 Aug 2013 03:01:23
lads LCAB is adamant baines and feli are going.
Has been for a while.
Ed you know the lid doesn't chat balls.
I am worried.
Jon B {Ed025's Note - im worried as well jon, but to be fair, the club have dismissed the bid out of hand...i would still like a "NOT FOR SALE" statement but im sure the club know the consequences of selling your soul to the red devils mate..

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In this case he is chatting balls. One or the other will go but on out terms not moyes's feeble, pathetic valuations.
It's also interesting to note not one tv, radio, paper journalist has implied ed Woodward made the bids, all have stated categorically Moyes's fingerprints are all over it.
Who'd have known the Man U manager would have had anything to do with bids for Everton players, eh?

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