Everton Banter Archive May 09 2018

09 May 2018 21:11:51
Is it just me or is keeping Allardyce for a little longer something that makes sense.

Its a no brainer that his style of football is NOT what we want, absolutely no arguments there from me, but he is a wizard when it comes to player recruitment. Throughout his career he seems to attract players that wouldn't generally consider his club under any other manager.

i know it is initial instability at the start of the season but i honestly think that we should keep him until the end of the summer transfer window and then pull the trigger. With a decent budget to spend, i think he will bring in some real high class players, big names and give us all optimism for a succesful season. Contentious idea i know, but if we bring in more players like Theo and Tosun, it can only be a good thing. He clearly has big ideas, Wasn't he pushing hard for Giroud too?

Again, i agree that the football style is horrid to watch but he does excite me in the transfer market.

09 May 2018 21:23:37
don't be daft so he does the recruitment then we sack him a new manager comes in and does not like the players Sam brought in so he them wants to buy new players yep can't see that working.

09 May 2018 21:49:25
And Marcel brands can just twiddle his fingers till January?

09 May 2018 21:51:55
So if SA does the recruitment why do we have a DOF?

09 May 2018 21:44:49
Did anyone else bother with the 2nd paragraph? Sorry mate but to open with that is asking for trouble;)

10 May 2018 01:20:04
As far as I am concerned Worcester you are completely on your own

No other comment needed.

10 May 2018 07:01:15
Is this the player recruitment sat in hotel rooms being caught by undercover reporters for dodgy dealings? 🤔.

10 May 2018 08:38:34
terrible terrible shout that, if to go along with that plan, say the players he signs are p****d off then because they signed for a manager who is then to be booted before even kicking a ball? how does that make us look?

10 May 2018 13:56:05
I take it you were rotten drunk when you posted that Worcester mate, makes no sense whatsover.

10 May 2018 19:14:01
I am not sure about keeping him to sign players and then sacking him? I think that is a daft idea. but I know what you mean about his attracting top players. Walcott and Tosun are top players. Ones he signed at Bolton were top players. If we had more top players, we would have a better team and be higher in the league. Simples.

09 May 2018 19:19:43
Well folks this is it, our last game this Sat will it be Big Sams last game as well for Everton, I really hope so, c'mon Mr Moshiri please listen to us fans.

09 May 2018 21:55:31
Will be waiting for that final whistle GB then the statement he's gone.

09 May 2018 13:28:51
These rumours of new managers I wish they'd stop. I'm just hoping we push for Fonseca.

09 May 2018 08:54:09
So apparently today we are willing to match Wenger's £8 million a year contract or we are going for Conceicao from Porto we are willing to double his £1.7 million contract and pay his release clause. I think Wenger would do well for us and give us stability don't know anything about Conceicao other than he's just taken Porto to their first Championship in 4 years.

09 May 2018 09:31:22
Wenger has been a great manager but I emphasise has. I'm not convinced he is the man to lead Everton for the next 3-5 years. He is how old? He hasn't proven he can work with a young second in charge. Vierra, Henry and Arteta all had to leave Arsenal.

To me, it is a thanks but no thanks

The other, never heard of him.

{Ed025's Note - im with you bw..

09 May 2018 10:26:17
Agree with you BW I know Wenger would give us stability but it's not a long term plan due to his age I think it's his premiership experience that everyone is going to get hooked on. I think moving forward we need to look at the likes of Fonseca or Conceicao and give them time to put their mark the team but we will have to wait and see who knows Sam maybe here for another season 😔.

09 May 2018 12:01:57
I would accept a younger Manager as well Lee mate, but with so many fickle fans on here. Not sure they would accept a period of time, some want instant success mate, but as we know mate that's not going to happen.

09 May 2018 12:21:30
bring wenger in with arteta, that would be an ambitious move.

09 May 2018 12:33:32
I know GB we need to give someone time I just think with all the uncertainty at the club at the moment it's getting to us fans so much, let's get a manager who excites us give him time to put his mark on the club and and get behind him, of course we will have bad games (not as many as this season I hope) but fingers crossed the future will get sorted after the last game.

09 May 2018 12:56:35
Same as. that Lee mate hope it's Big SAMs last game for us on Sat fingers and everything else crossed mate.

09 May 2018 14:02:26
GuernseyBlue, I think you are right that some of our fans would not accept a perion of time "developing" the club. However, I would add that my "limited" experience in football tells me that very rarely does a team come together and have success. It usually takes years of planning and a whole lot of luck. I also can see the weaknesses of our squad that I have pointed out many times. My conclusion is that there are going to be a lot of angry disappointed Bluess over the next couple of seasons unless we have a huge great chunk of luck. Maybe in 4 or 5 seasons we could achieve something. built over years as Spurs are doing. but even Leicester City could not sustain the one off season they had. and we need the slower Spurs style of growth.

09 May 2018 14:39:59
Hear you on that degsy!

We set up a team three years ago which was our old squad from when we were kids, 10 years since we last played together.

First season we didn’t get relegated only due to our goal difference being slightly better than the two teams below.

Second season together, same team, same gaffer, same ground, we won the league and dropped 4 points all season!

Football is a weird and wonderful thing.

09 May 2018 17:23:23
Yeah JDE. I remember us dominating in 1984 and for the next 3 years! We were pretty inconsistent in the 3 years prior to 84.yet with the same team more or less. We tended to start seasons slow and then build up steam. But even in 84 this was true. But we climbed the table, won the FA Cup and then the following season were like a train from the first game. Weird.

09 May 2018 17:29:29
I want a european manager first choice, but to be fair learning the EPL can take time. I would take Wenger for 12 months as a guiding hand for a new manager.

If not european, then someone like Dyche or Howe who has the EPL experience but, needs his skills honing to top 6 mentality. Again Wenger for 12 months as a guiding hand would be ok for me.

I myself would offer to be a guiding hand. to help Sam and his boys on their way out :-)

09 May 2018 17:35:38
100% correct there degsy mate.

09 May 2018 18:26:17
All the top 6 teams average a manager every 2 seasons over the last 10 years.
Chelsea 11
Man city 5
Man u 5
Liverpool 4
Tottenham 5
Arsenal 1

Chelsea average a manager every 0.9 seasons but have still managed to win 3 prem titles, 3 fa cups, 1 champions league, 1 Europa cup and 1 league cup.

Arsenal average 1 manager every 20 years and have won 3 FA cups in the last 10 years.

Chelsea have a technical director which keeps the recruitment going whoever is in charge. Why can't we with the right DOF.

09 May 2018 20:42:29
It does appear that the short term manager syndrome delivers the most productive results Smitt. I have said for a long time now, develop your system and get people in to work it, get players in who fit the system. The least disruption gives the most efficient output. We don't want a long term manager here. We want winners who are greedy for success, come in and work the system, win trophies and then move on. If they are a success then we are a success. Managers like to go where success is. Next manager please.

09 May 2018 21:46:22
I agree to a point but we've got to stop talking "long term" it doesn't excist much beyond 2 years. So with that said why not? He's big enough shoulders to put up with our crap, he will not hit his own high level but the level he'd hit is much higher than ours currently.

In 2 or 3 years he can step away with us banging around the top6 or more realistically, hitting 65+ pts.
Perfect for the big name we are too small to attract today. He would also beat BS in attracting players.

Sure he's been in decline but a lot of that has been boardroom as much as him. He still plays a much better brand of football.

Basically it all seems to hinge, for fans, on long term plans. We know the long term plan. It's stadium and top 4. There! That's it. I've said it before, once Wenger leaves next week, Howe will be the longest serving Prem manager. In a decade people will be amazed at a coach who makes 5 years. The length if the appointment is immaterial so long as the direction is right.


A he won't come up north.
B doubt he'd take another Prem job.
So all pointless really.
Stop being greedy.

09 May 2018 07:52:45
Hate to say it but rooney has been crap this season apart from a half a doz games maybe. Only Pickford, Coleman, Jags, Benny, Walcott, Gueye Niasse and Tossun and maybe Dom CL can take any credit this year?

09 May 2018 08:40:37
Have you seen his stats pre/ post Allardyce? Night and day!

09 May 2018 09:36:39
I think that this is a little harsh on some and tells only half the story.
There are many players who have shown ability but, for various reasons, have no shown it consistently. The most obvious example would be Sigurdsson who has looked a player when played in his correct position. For me, other examples who have shown enough to indicate that there is a real player somewhere in there if given the opportunity are Klaasen who, before he was banished to the outer darkness, showed bits and pieces that indicated that, given the right context he can play a bit. Keane is another who, for me, has shown that he can play but has floundered and lost confidence in our team.
More concerning is what has gone on with the young players. A number of them seem to have had their development set back. Holgate, who showed a mixture of promise and rashness, seems to have been abducted by aliens. I would not be surprised to learn that Kenny and Davies are undergoing counselling after the trauma that they have been put through. Vlasic is another who has ability and no opportunity to develop it. Then there is Lookman. He makes some poor decisions but the guy can play. Poor lad has had to flee abroad and it wasn't Brexit related.

09 May 2018 19:17:58
There was a thread on here when he first came back to us and the general consensus was it would be a good season for WR if he could score around 10 goals this season. He got there by December and, without the points that his goals gave us, we would be 8 points down. As of today, I think that would place us 13th in the league and a few quid down on what we receive from the prize pool.
He hasn't been consistent but that could be said of every squad member this season, they have all struggled at some point. If he stays another year then I would expect him to be on the bench a lot more than this year.