Everton Banter Archive January 09 2013

09 Jan 2013 22:26:31
Hey Eds, just looking at the sheer volume of posts coming in (and we can only see the posts that get published) and got round to wondering what happens to the posts once they fall off the end of the page? Do they get archived anywhere and are they retrievable for future reference if needed or do the just disappear into the ether?
Moody Blue {Ed025's Note - they are in the archives mate..

On that note Ed, out of curiosity, do you delete a considerable amount more than you actually post ? I would imagine you'd get some abuse from a few eejits. {Ed007's Note - Yes, there is probably more posts deleted than are posted, people do try and post some garbage and each Ed has a differing tolerance to it. I am one of the happy go lucky Eds along with Ed025 and the ever stunning and vivacious Ed002. Ed001 is about as much fun as a week in the jail, if you want to annoy him call him Sheldon....}

09 Jan 2013 22:03:46
All these wild rumours about Fellaini and buy out clauses are really pi***ng me off now. Whether he stays or goes is totally out of everyone's hands, including Evertons.
I really don't want him to go but if Felli and his entourage decide he's moving on then there's not a lot anyone at Everton can do; the players hold all the cards and contracts mean nothing apart from inflating the value of the player. And if we're honest it's not that long ago that we went to other clubs, flashed our cash and took their players.
If Felli goes then he goes, we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and move on, we're Everton, players come and players go but Everton will remain. Born a Blue, live a Blue, die a Blue. It's in the blood.
Moody Blue {Ed025's Note - good stuff moody..

09 Jan 2013 21:43:51
Most - if not all of us using this site IMHO - crave the gossip about our team's transfer comings and goings, even if the stories are sometimes mischievous wind-ups or just plain daft! As far as I'm concerned, I'll enjoy the craic, but always try to bear in mind what David Moyes, Robert Elstone and Bill Kenwright have put on public record: we only have a little money this transfer window - certainly not enough for a big fee; more likely is an incoming loan (or two) or a free/Bosman; we don't want any outgoing transfers this window, but might loan out one or two younger players to get competitive playing time and experience. The reality surely is that every player has his price - I'm sure DM has said so, but at the same time stressing that we demand and get top dollar for our players - but any outgoings will surely only be at the end of the season once the dust settles around the European places and the DM contract situation. Until then - and hopefully beyond - IMWT. Once a blue, always a blue!
Cowpat Sid {Ed025's Note - wise words sid..

09 Jan 2013 21:39:34
Ed--is there any truth in the rumour that Naismith has a £5.99 release clause in his contract--if so i would like to trigger it and send him packing {Ed025's Note - he will be a valuable squad player mate, mark my words..

09 Jan 2013 21:46:36
Give him time mate

Degsy

Pleeeerezzze av some respect the kid goals puts a shift in, I hate how we always have a hate figure, if your a blue, you will do for me irrespective of talent, let the outsiders give the stick, blues stay as one,,,,,, {Ed025's Note - i echo that mate..well said..

Naismith wiil come good need to understand his last two years no one can deny he's off the pace abit, but also no one can deny he always seems to get into scoring positions .for now I'm happy cus he dosent hide n puts a good shift in, the goals will follow with that attitude

Didn't we get Naismith as part of a 2-for-1 deal with Jelavic... you know, buy one, get one free... unfortunately, we expected two players scoring goals like Jelavic when he first joined :-)
C.A.Jones

He hasn't played football for 9 months, give him time, you proabaly said the same about Fellaini in the past few seasons but look how he turned out and Baines and jags... You can't expect a player to come back after an ACL and expect him to be at the top of his game, personally I think he has played well in the last few games...................

TC

You can't fault the lad for his commitment and hard work, but he is very limited technically, his first touch is abysmal, and I've not seen him pass the ball forward yet...but he deserves the benefit of the doubt after his injuries and coming to a new league, so I can't really judge him until he's had a good season or season and a half.

^ to adjust to the pace and style of the EPL. If he doesn't make it he won't be the first or the last

Anyone slaging him as never played football to come back from them injuries is remarkeble will be a crowd fav no doubt tom efc

09 Jan 2013 21:18:36
Fellow bluenoses the big talk is welbeck coming on loan maybe some think to do with fell I moving to Manchester I think he says sick of birds chasing him even kenwright could come up with one better than that hope I'm wrong imwt coyb {Ed025's Note - i know how he feels.. :)

09 Jan 2013 21:13:13
Understand Fellaini has a buy out clause of around 25m pounds but can only be triggered by a team currently in the Champions League, as Chelski and Citeh are already out think we should be safe until the summer at lease. COYB

09 Jan 2013 20:16:07
Usually, when it comes to neutrals all you hear is Kompany this and Vidic and Collocini that, but someone who rarely gets much praise is Jagielka, he is my dads favourite player and I just wonder what's everyones thoughts on him, me personally I think he is one of the best and most consistent Centre Backs in the league. Phil, COYB!! {Ed001's Note - I thought he was great before joining Everton, he was outstanding for Sheffield United in a number of positions. Once he settled down as a centre back, he grew into one of the best and most under rated in the league. A quality player.}

09 Jan 2013 19:05:31
Can't see moyes ever selling to rafa"RYANFROMLEIC"

Moysey will have no say as to which club Felliani joins--once the release clause is triggered--its all about the money

Ed -Whilst i appreciate the fundamental principles of free speech and the dangers of censorship--do you have to publish this nonsense.Doris {Ed025's Note - i dont make the rules mate..well not all the time..

09 Jan 2013 18:52:59
I asked this question on the Man United rumours page the other day and I thought I'd now ask my fellow blues. If the opportunity presented itself, would you swap Baines and Fellaini for Rooney with no money involved? Personally I wouldn't and that's what most of the Man United fans said. They are two huge players for us and I just don't think Rooney could replace the gap left by them. Every United fan said Baines was the best lb in the world and I think they are all spot on.

I value Baines at £22-25m and Felli at £30-35m. I also value Rooney at £45-50m. It would interesting what you have to say too Ed.

BitterBlue {Ed025's Note - no way pedro!...maybe felli for rooney, which seems a fair swap..but not baines as well..unless they give us RVP, vidic, and kagawa on top..

No way for Wayne 'overrated' Rooney. I'd take Van Persie though.

Mike

09 Jan 2013 19:25:53
No way is Shrek worth 40 million mate

Degsy

09 Jan 2013 19:48:33
I always thought Shrek was over-rated too. I wouldn't swap him for Baines on his own.

Calm down everyone, the op mis printed, he meant that shrek is worth 4-5mil......evertonpaul

no way, absolute joke


wouldn't swap big vic for rooney !!

09 Jan 2013 21:19:02
What the f***! Are you all on about ? Felli n Baines at there peak v Rooney constantly injured no form and not playin ? I rest my case ! Blue Stu

Why are you having a go Blue stu? Did I not say I would not swap them as Rooney couldn't fill the gap that Felli and Baines would leave...

BitterBlue

I'm just going on the current market. The transfer market is at a stage where clubs are willing to pay £35m for a donkey who was worth £3m tops at the time. Therefore working off that basis I'd say Rooney is worth £45m. Although if the market wasn't so messed up he'd be worth £25m.

BitterBlue

09 Jan 2013 18:14:53
Sorry but I think I speak for most people on this site when I say 'can we not just put these Fellaini rumours behind us!?' The last 6 or 7 posts have been about Felli and his 'clause' and they are getting really boring and repetitive.

As far as I can see if he does leave it won't be until the end of the season. So cheer up lads, this is the best Everton side I've seen in years, we are destined for great things. Champions League and silverware methinks this season.Oh yea I almost forgot to mention we have one of the best managers in Europe who, with more backing from our board, can make us a dominant force in England once again! You certainly won't find me complaining. Bring on the Swans! I predict another 3-0 win.

BitterBlue

09 Jan 2013 16:37:10
I haven't posted for a while but have been reading posts daily and it's good to see all the regulars and eds are still making the site fun, enjoyable and informative.
I have a question though, has anybody actually confirmed that Felli has this release clause or are we all just getting worked up over pure speculation?

SydneyBlue {Ed025's Note - how anyone would know, except felli, his agent, the lawyers and everton staff, i dont know syd..

Thanks Ed I didn't think it would be the kind of information anyone could divulge without breaching some sort of privacy agreement. I guess we just do what us evertonians do best and wait till deadline day

SydneyBlue {Ed025's Note - either that syd...or get mystic meg on the payroll.. :)

If anyone can organize it mate it would be you :) Would be great to be a fly on the wall though.

SydneyBlue

Everyone was ITK about Demba Ba contract.

Information about release clauses are only ever divulged by agents looking to move players

09 Jan 2013 15:47:20
Chelsea cannot sign Fellaini in January as only a side in the Champions League can activate it. They have been knocked out already.

This element of the contract seems quite murky to me. Come the next transfer window it becomes self explanatory but right now if Chelsea are to bid they seem to find themselves in a grey area. Not sure if the whole 'top 4' thing is 100% as of yet. Can look it at in a positive light that it could see him stay till summer. I have fears regarding Sir Alex' mob... What a signing he would prove to be for them in Jan to mount a CL push and secure the league..

09 Jan 2013 17:06:30
Perhaps they'll get the fa to change the rules for them as they are last years champions league winners. Maybe that only works for one club.

They signed Ba who also had same buy out clause

09 Jan 2013 15:24:17
the way i see thing is if felli wants to go then fine, let him go and moyes can use the money to unearth 3-4 more gems like he always does, nobody is bigger or better than the club, its a shame when good players go but it happens, anyway we have been just fine without him in the games that he has missed so far this season

I don't think Felli's commitment is an issue mate. I've mentioned on this site plenty of times, once a player becomes as valuable as he is right now, the writing is on the wall. Totally agree with the positivity regarding moving on and putting a few quid behind DM to find the next batch though. Has to be done quickly and efficiently though!

09 Jan 2013 15:17:31
Groningen defender Virgil van Dijk says Everton interested but club deny any formal approach.

09 Jan 2013 15:04:10
I've been hearing that if Chelsea get Fellini they'll have to shell out 25mill and wed want obi mikel in return. And if we get rid of anichibe I'd be shocked. He'd start ahead of jela if I was manager. Rated him for years. {Ed025's Note - vic has done very well this season, but im very happy that you are not our manager..

Main reasons ed, vics workrate. He gets the crowd going and jela seems to love fluffing chances

I feel like vic could be the next tony hibbert. Fan favourite, loyal hard working and always does a job. I hope to be seeing his testimonial in years to come.

Vic is a donkey. A few super sub appearances won't change that. He still falls over in a gentle breeze! {Ed025's Note - while he wears the royal blue shirt, with the pride he is showing at the moment..im behind him..

09 Jan 2013 14:59:05
Seems we're all caught up in this Fellaini saga. I am led to believe (via local & national journos), that Felli has a release clause of 25m. Been considering the situation since this broke and as a realist have come to terms with the fact that it's very unlikely he will be an Everton player next term. I love MF and there's no doubting he is our talisman, but clubs who aren't frequent visitors to the champions league group stage have to accept that once a player finds himself with a 25m + pricetag, he's toast. Having accepted defeat, it's vital we don't lose him on the final day of the window with no replacement and the money therefore straight into the predatory jaws of the bank manager. I'd be happy for us to hold onto him till the summer and over the next 6 months ensure we have a ready made replacement on the cards with the inevitable circling of sharks (Messrs Ferguson, Abramovich & Mancini - providing city don't ditch him....becuase that is certainly on the horizon)
Whilst i'm here, rumours of interest in Virgil Van Dijk have raised my spirits this morning. Watched him on a couple of occasions and he is most certainly promising. Lofty, commited, young centre half who isn't so sluggish across the ground. The latter giving him a clear edge over Forren!

Good sensible observation,

Haha class! Not seen much of Forren but Van Dijk is a good signing in my book.

09 Jan 2013 14:32:51
Hi eds,

Do you know when Super Kev Mirallas is back??

Cheers,

Skeet {Ed025's Note - i hear that he is close...

09 Jan 2013 14:15:45
fellaini won't be going anywhere its just the press all the time trying to convince teams to make a bid so they have some story to write about.

moyes has said no players will be leaving this month.moyes will walk if felli goes simple, moyes will walk if baines goes.every player been great this season but the superstars are baines and fellaini.

but we all remember the rooney rumours in the press they were correct.BK even went live on tv and said rooney won't be going nowhere what a load of bull**** that was.but as the saying goes MONEY talks.

09 Jan 2013 13:02:38
There is a buy-out clause in Fellaini's contract “ placed there at the request of his representatives “ but the trigger fee is higher than the £22m reported.

Really hate r board, kenwright talks about finding the right investment, he found Robert earl, when gregg challenged him .can anyone tell me how Robert earl has been good for Everton, good for bill kenwright, .its criminal how every transfer window the fans r made to feel so pessimistic about pushing on especially now when we're so close to challenging .kenwright says he loves Everton n he probably does, but he loves being chairman of Everton more n makes decision so he can stay in that position rather than what's best for Everton big difference .u take moyes out of Everton kenwright will be laid bare .anyone who can name how we evolved under bill as in sponsorships ground anythink please let me know .back him for once ideal position to push on {Ed025's Note - we would all love some big money to spend mate, but the reality is that investment in football clubs is in a trough..i think the guy is doing his best in this financial climate..

To the OP, well done, you can read a newspaper, do you believe everything you read in the papers?

My argument is about forward planning n being abit dynamic about generating cash n revenue .he brought earl in n gave him an important percentage of shares at such an important time when we were crying out for a person with financial clout n great connections for commercial gain .we were in recession before the recession it's a crime an organisation which has great support n a great base to build on ie r manager, is run by people who hide n by bill whose actions tell me he's a good blagger n that's about it {Ed025's Note - i will concede that the rest of the board are a waste of space, and should be doing a hell of a lot more..

They all sit in positions that r comfortable within the group kenwright can't question earl about his input because he got gregg out of the club when pressure was on bill, it's like a gentlemans club who only listen to each other .its a joke n will fall apart eventually I'm sick of pundits n media sayin moyes Felliani Baines should move on, that's the legacy kenwright will leave a stepping stone or a great underdog story when the tragedy is Everton r under achieving in the boardroom no were else .rant over up the toffees

09 Jan 2013 12:56:17
Why is this a ridiculous post? Op has only put down a report they have read in the paper, didn't say it was spot on, just passing something they had read in. Settle down lad.
Yorkshire blue

09 Jan 2013 11:51:27
I said Fellaini will not be leaving and i stand by it.I believe in the release clause it states only a team playing in the Champions League can activate it so that rules Chelsea out at least til the end of the season. Also Man Utd are being linked with other players, City are not intrested, and Arsenal will not pay the money so trust me guys he will not be moving in this transfer window. Stef the blue.

Hope your right but the news coming out of France is a 27 million euros deal has been agreed, the source lequipe newspaper, and there usually spot on, there saying marouane Fellini to join chelsea by the end of the week, now if he is going to leave in this window get it done early and bring in replacements

I'm with you there. Fellaini seems to be having the time of his life at the moment, the spirit and togetherness of this team is amazing and they all seem like they get on great with each other. He wouldn't find this bond at any other club and will stay until the summer at least

Very true mate and when Arteta left he said he left the best dressing room in the world behind and he only left because of his age if he was still 25 he would never of left especially now .Stef the blue

To the first post after the original post, are you for real? you are seriously believing a french paper, a story that has nothing to do with a french team and is in a currency we don't use

So if ronaldo joins p.s.g, are papers won't report it, ....it called a newspaper, the clues in the name, and yes most of what the print is rubbish but this particular paper is well respected

09 Jan 2013 11:36:49
i believe we should be gettin butland from birmingham and also huddlestone and naughton from spurs on loan deals

Did you pluck these out of thin air?

I can rest assured that you're not in charge of transfer policy at EFC.

Huddle stone has as little personality to his game as Rodwell. We need players with genuine passion as well as skill. Not just to look pretty

Spurs won't sell 2 CL rivals

09 Jan 2013 10:19:28
Guys - it's mad to say "the money from Rodwell (or anyone else) can be used to buy so and so" - all the money comes and goes into the big pot that is the bank account / overdraft and is just used on a daily basis to run the club.
Transfer money is not put into a separate account to be used for buying and selling players - it all goes into the wash - and as we just learnt the club made a loss of 9m last year - so that basically means we've got 9m less than we had a year ago to spend

No, the accounts are always a year behind. Plus, we will get a bumper pay day from new tv deal

09 Jan 2013 08:45:03
Scott parker seriously"hope not another injury prone midfielder"we need consitant players if we want CL football"RYANFROMLEIC"