Everton Banter Archive February 09 2018

09 Feb 2018 18:31:09
oh and apparently jose baxter is contracted to us
amazing.

09 Feb 2018 18:16:15
apparently we're the only premier league club to have never been relegated and have not put in a consistent showing to challenge for the champions league places
i find this oddly amusing.

09 Feb 2018 21:35:33
We finished 4th in 2005 and went into 3rd qualifying round but lost to Villereal, who went on to the semi finals that year. Funny enough i seem to remember we spent the Rooney money not very wisely that summer and struggled for most of the season, very similar to this season, right?

09 Feb 2018 22:35:20
Not sure were you get this information from? Seven clubs have not been relegated since the premier league was started in 1992 and Everton were relegated in 1950-51 if you are talking about the top league.

10 Feb 2018 07:14:16
spurs liverpool united arsenal chelsea
everton
its just hinting at how little progress we've made in about 26 years.

10 Feb 2018 09:45:09
Swansea and Stoke have never been relegated from the prem league.

10 Feb 2018 15:51:59
Everton together with Arsenal are the longest serving clubs in the top tier of English football, that’s the old first division and current Premier league. Arsenal have never been relegated at all.
If last weeks result was hard to take, I remember a 10-4 defeat by Spurs many years ago.

09 Feb 2018 15:11:29
I am fed up of hearing certain players are not up to speed with prem football so the best way to deal with this is not to play them, get Klassen, Tosun in team now so they are ready for next season we ain't doing that great with players that are suppose to be ready.

09 Feb 2018 16:22:34
👏👏👏 well said mate.

09 Feb 2018 17:47:05
Agree.

09 Feb 2018 14:17:30
Just read that mori played 45 mins for u23 this week. Hope he back proper fit soon. Another body and one more in the way of Williams getting played.

09 Feb 2018 17:48:19
Er do you remember what he was like before he got injured?
We all had our hearts in our mouths when he was on the ball.

09 Feb 2018 18:03:59
Well he was good enough to play for Argentina, you know the team that has Messi. Why do players that seem to do well when playing for some other team seem to go to pieces when playing for us?

09 Feb 2018 18:05:18
True smit. think I'm maybe clutching at straws but anything to give me hope.

09 Feb 2018 18:22:34
Williams is the alternative Smit!

09 Feb 2018 19:38:39
Fair point Blue john.

10 Feb 2018 08:38:25
And he is left footed!

09 Feb 2018 10:43:40
i no i am in the minority here now but i still think sam will come good we will snatch 7th he will be here next season and we will challange top 4 next year, sam has bought in 3 players and i like them all they will improve us over time give him the summer aswell to correct ronalds wrongs and he will show us why not too long ago he was chosen to manage england.

{Ed0333's Note - I’m not sure if your being ironic. Are you? If not let me know I’ll give you the number of a stellar psychologist I know and she will try and cure you. You might need a few million though. Will prove costly but it will be worth it mate.

09 Feb 2018 10:49:57
Jesus john1989 have you been drinking frosty jacks and gold label and making a super snakebite that's the only explanation I can think off for you being so delirious.

09 Feb 2018 11:25:16
is 7th out of question really? its 5 points with very winnable games coming up, he has signed 3 players who have improved the squad? am i wrong? is tosun not an improvement on niasse? is theo not an improvement on mirrallas? is mangala not an improvment on williams? fixing our club right now is going to take longer than one window and i don't understand the hostility to a man who dragged us away from relegation to the point where 7th is realistic target?
has he made mistakes? yes obviously he has but if you was expecting miracles in 2 months then that's on you not on Sam.
hes working with what he has available and i have faith given the summer he will come good.

09 Feb 2018 12:12:26
Don't know about that Johnny. I think everyone knew how tough a job he had but it's the chopping and changing, not keeping settled team (as much as possible) and not knowing players best positions that people are moaning about.

Still on the fence for me.

09 Feb 2018 12:35:34
Sorry mate style of football is bloody awful. Tosun better than Niasse? Who knows he won’t play him. Mangala better than Williams, no there both bloody awful.

09 Feb 2018 12:37:52
am not saying he's the second coming here am just saying to jump on his back so soon when u consider the mess we was in is shocking. we was in a complete shambles and he has steadied us and improved the squad, time will tell if i am right but i don't think any manager in the world could have came in and turned us around in one window.

09 Feb 2018 12:53:30
woburn yes tosun is a better player than niasse i love niasse but let's be honest he's dreadful, tosun is just getting used to the league but let's give him a few weeks and mangala has had one game where the whole team played terrible give him a chance before we write him off completely ay.

09 Feb 2018 13:05:49
Maybe not Johnny but another manager may have had us fighting harder, playing better football and actually shooting at the white posts with the net on.

09 Feb 2018 13:10:04
johhny I applaude your optimism mate and we all hope your right but it's his style of play his constant picking very underperforming players his public dressing down of players who only want to play now transfer windows or not he has international players who went 3 games without shooting and 45 minutes against arsenal with only 3 tackles made and it's for these reasons we want him gone asap if not sooner.

09 Feb 2018 13:42:30
watch him on the touchline mate the man screams at them to get forward the players confidence is shot to bits and us as fans need to take some responsibility for that there scared to lose, if we as a whole get behind them they will improve. are fans are the best around sometimes but when things aren't going exactly how we want they turn into massive children stamping there feet and spitting out dummys.
lets back the team AND the manager and see what happens instead of heading to the ground with the attitude oh here we go and jumping on the backs of players first mistake, positive attitude breeds positive results.

09 Feb 2018 14:53:24
And I thought I'd been optimistic in some of my posts 😂😂 Seriously though, we don't know how good Tosun and Mangella are at the moment and won't until they have had a few games. Let's hope they do well when/ if given the chance to and let's hope the rest of the squad buck their ideas up. As for Sam, regardless of the position we finish in I don't think he's the right guy to take us forward and I don't see him being in charge next season. In fact if we lose the next 3 or 4 games he may be gone even sooner.

09 Feb 2018 16:21:45
johny1989 I agree with all you said. Unfortunately since Moyes has left our supporters have caught up with the rest of the countries fans in terms of patience. We had Moyes for over a decade while most other clubs went through managers like hot cakes. Fans being big contributory factors to this.

I thought our fans were different. Seems not. We have just as many microwave supporters as any other club. As you say johny1989 I'm not saying Sam is our saviour but I'll give him every chance to get on the right path. Which he can do imo. If he's given the chance. 7th is within us as I voted in the poll. Talk about pessimistic. Most votes were between 13th and 17th and some even for relegation!

Get behind the team and manager for gods sake. Otherwise what's the point?

09 Feb 2018 17:54:50
Sam's major issue is he contradicts himself almost weekly, mentions palace almost weekly, shirks the blame weekly.
Apart from that though he ain't too bad.

09 Feb 2018 18:01:48
So part from being a moaner he ain't too bad Smit666. Same as the whole country really.

09 Feb 2018 18:39:14
I think if you put a poll up and voted if you thought we good football it would be 100% no.

That's enough. If you would vote yes you must know absolutely nothing about football.

The football now is worse than at the start of the season. I don't know how much longer I can sit through a match with 1 shot if I'm lucky on target.

Koeman 6w 5d 6l Sam 5w 4d 5l. Koeman had much the worse fixtures as well. Hardly turned a corner!

09 Feb 2018 19:31:52
Johny1989 there is an Asteroid passing earth tonight that will come within 43,000 miles. that's nearer to 7th place than SA will get us mate :-)

09 Feb 2018 20:36:41
If that's correct Blue john, that's not good reading.
Didn't realise they were so close with the results.

09 Feb 2018 23:13:12
BlueJohnUns this season Koeman got 4 wins. 2 of which were in the premier league.

09 Feb 2018 23:30:48
Smit I knew they were close, hadn't actually looked it up but was sure Sam was worse than Koeman. The problem we have now is the Club setting their all on Allardyce will be in a right state if we lose to Crystal Palace or even draw.

10 Feb 2018 08:21:13
What's worse is the best win during Sam's reign was against limassol which Shakespeare was in charge of! So scratch one off for Sam!

10 Feb 2018 09:27:58
NBTB my stats are based on all competitive matches they've managed this season excluding friendlies.

09 Feb 2018 08:25:20
I don't know if I'm moaning just because I really dislike our manager and think he was the biggest mistake our club has made since we signed klodrup but does anyone else think he doesn't keep himself updated with ongoings at the club a few examples
1 he was asked about Garbutt at the beginning of January he replied I don't know he doesn't train with the first team
2 he was asked if mangala had a buy Claus he replied I don't know I might find out later today or next week
3 are you glad unsworth turned down the Oxford job he replied I don't know anything about it that has nothing to do with me that's down to the board and David now surely these are the things he should know about surely he should of had a report on Garbutt as we had no fit Left Backs surely he should of known if a new loan signing had a Claus to buy and surely he should of spoken to unsworth as first team manger I'm not sure what this man does on a day to day basis as if it's training the first team reg tactics he isn't doing a very good job is he.

{Ed002's Note - Managers of the first team will not have a detailed knowledge of the other sides, the kids, the women etc.. That is perfectly normal. Managers of the first team will not be involved in contract negotiations nor be party to their detailed contents. The manager of the first team does not discuss job opportunities that other members of the staff may have.

Is it just ignorance of the way football and football clubs work. This whining is getting rather embarrassing.}

09 Feb 2018 08:42:58
question then ED02 as a new manager coming into a club and knowing your LB is injured doesn't it make sense to get a report on any LB in the u23 squad that you might be able to use does it not make sense that when he signs a player on loan to find out if we have the option to buy does it not make sense that if your u23 manager might be leaving to have a chat with him as you might have your own idea as to make the u23 manager if he leaves you say the whining is embarrassing it's not whining it's pointing out things this man should be more interested in you need to understand fans love their clubs you look at it from the outside Everton has been in our life since I was born if we win we look forward to buying 3 or 4 newspapers we watch match of the day sat then sun morning we watch the extended highlights on the Everton page we watch goals on Sunday but if we lose we go home and we don't watch any football for about 3 or 4 days so when you say the whining is embarrassing it's not it's that our club is family you need to understand that.

{Ed002's Note - Managers will utilise the experienced players in the first instance. If the kid is not already training with the first team squad then his coaches at Under 23 or whatever don't see him as ready. Managers do not get involved in contracts. I guess you just don't get how professional clubs are run.}

09 Feb 2018 09:02:17
i don't know how professional clubs are run I'm just a fan but ED02 your wrong on this instance Garbutt is 24 and was highly rated a few years back I watch every Everton game and a lot of u23 games and Martina isn't a LB so surely if your struggling to bring one in you get that kid up to the first team at the beginning of January and see for yourself as he has been playing well he has now been training with the first team which should of been done much earlier and you talk about how professional clubs are run can you seriously tell me Everton are being professionally run we are shocking at the minute Sam was a panic appointment Sam hasn't a clue what is going on outside the first team I'm sorry ED but a manager needs to know what's happening at all levels he should be having meetings discussing players that might be ready then again this is a man who talks a good game but can't implement it.

{Ed002's Note - If Garbutt is so highly rated and fit then why did Unsworth not push him up to the first team squad when he could? You can't blame Allardyce for that. Managers do not need to know what is happening at all levels - that is not their role and that is particularly true at clubs like Everton who have someone specifically employed to perform that role.

Your problem stems from you clear dislike of somone who has been at the club a few weeks and your problem is both irrational and unfounded.}

09 Feb 2018 09:16:58
Good post Bluey. Manager is a plantpot. No mention of Garbutt? Every team in the prem will expose down the right side as per usual. Just don't get it! Why not try Kenny at left back? Just hope we can get the necessary points to stay in the prem. If we do stay, the board will have to get a manager in that will get us playing attractive football. All the other managers that have taken over prem teams since Alladyce was appointed are playing better football than us. It does make you wonder what goes on at the training ground?

09 Feb 2018 09:51:35
Ed002 it would appear that some fans are hellbent on not wanting Allerdyce at our club. Perhaps because of his reputation? Perhaps because of recent performances and decisions he has made re formation? Even Ed 025 is on the side of Allergy out. However, there are plenty of Evertonians on here with a realistic view and see things like I do. that harmwas done by previous managers and Allergy has come in to try and stop a rot that is deep seated. I would also suggest that mant Evertonians have (myself included) have been let down in the past by this club and are suspicious of many decisions. and after all this is a banter site and if everyone had the same view, there would not be much to debate. and that is part of banter is it not? So whilst I understand why you say we have too much whinging going on. maybe what I have said explains why? If you are continually promised something and it never materialises, you do become somewhat negative. Keep up the good work and try not to get too negative about negative EVERTONIANS IS MY TIP!

{Ed002's Note - They problem remains that everyone will perform to their best if the fans are onside - right now they are not and are seemingly heading back to being toxic. It is recent history repeating itself.}

09 Feb 2018 09:54:11
see again your wrong ED02 yes I never wanted Sam but when he came in I gave him time and he has proved me correct he isn't the man for the job and regarding Garbutt he wasn't registered so unsworth couldn't play him when he was in charge I love the input you give and I respect what you say but you also have to give respect as well just because you want to defend someone all you have done is called me a whiner and said I'm irrational and my post is unfounded which I totaly disagree with and cheers shamrock I thought the same he keeps persisting with Martina who isn't good enough that's not his fault he can only do his best Sam is banking on home wins to keep us up my guess is he will continue to change the team away from home and he will play what he sees as his strongest team at home.

{Ed002's Note - It is a lost cause for people like you. I fully understand why the club are reluctant to share information with the fans.}

09 Feb 2018 10:01:34
Ed. Just on garbutt. He was not in the named squad so couldn't be played by unsworth until January when Sam was in charge.
Also I remember Ferguson at utd (I think) had total control of the club and watched the kids and reserves play. I know football has changed immensely in recent years but if we have a massive injury crisis surely he should know what back up he has or if any of them can be brought through to the first team?

{Ed002's Note - As I said, if he had not been pushed in to the first team squad then it was because the coaches did not see him as ready.}

09 Feb 2018 10:54:27
by fans like me do you mean fans who live and breath Everton fans who spend a lot of money on watching my beloved club fans like me who only want what's best for our club I asked 3 questions and you called me a whiner and irrational so thanks for that enjoy your weekend ED02 I'm sure you will have a lot more irrational unfounded posts by whiners as you put it from now til the end of the season.

{Ed002's Note - Fans who whine and are clearly not supportive and behind the players, the staff and the team. The toxics did a lot of damage before and there appears to be a return. Vast numbers of the Everton fans somehow convinced themselves about the £200M Moshiri was going to give the club to spend on players every window to provide instant results, were delusional about the likes of Diego Simeone joining as coach and are now bitching because Sam Allardyce has not got the cluyb in to the top for after a few weeks in the job. It is founded on a gross lack of understanding about how the game, the finances and the clubs work.}

09 Feb 2018 11:33:26
Pretty sure Garbutt was on the bench against Leicester? Didn't feature against Arsenal. Is Alladyce too scared to give him a go? I think fans are being realistic on here and have every right to moan, especially when you're paying good money to watch them!

{Ed002's Note - If all you want to do is whine and moan and bleat about the manager there will be better sites than this for that.}

09 Feb 2018 11:57:25
well that's where your wrong I never expected instant success I didn't expect Moshiri to come in and do what city's owners did because I understand that wages ffp play a big part in what we can spend and I'm bitching because first of all Sam was a panic appointment and he should never ever be considered for a club like Everton due to him twice being caught being very shady to line his own pockets and secondly he is all about himself his tatics are from 20 years ago come on ed we didn't have a shot on target this year until jonjoe kenny had a shot v WBA then in our next game when spurs battered us and again we had no shots on target he comes out and says we went too attacking and we will have to be more boring surely even you can see why fans are turning against him and Steve Walsh.

{Ed002's Note - Allardyce was not a panic decision, they took their time. Quite frankly you can moan all you want about him but this is not the place. Take it to the official club website.}

09 Feb 2018 12:50:36
Allardyce was not first choice and I have it on good authority he was not everyone’s choice, and that the board were split on this. Hence the short contract.

{Ed002's Note - I explained the situation at the time. You might want to read the posts.}

09 Feb 2018 16:26:45
Don't need too.

09 Feb 2018 18:18:09
Not to detract from the ongoing discussion, I would just like to say, this is the funniest discussion this year.

09 Feb 2018 01:38:56
Defending Sam right now, my not be that popular, the weekends result and performance was indeed woful, however, I think it should be remembered that prior to his arivel, such performances and results had become the norm,
I know we are still not safe, but that was the mans remite when he was brought in, and I think there is every chance he will keep us up, the situation was so bad at the time of his appointment that had we gone for the watford manager we would not just be in the bottom 3, but tailed off last, and if he does keep us up he deserves at least one full season to see what he can do, before the vultures sweep in and attack him on style.

{Ed001's Note - are you sure about that? Only I seem to remember Unsworth was beginning to pick up results even before Allardyce came in.}

09 Feb 2018 07:35:12
Good post that Mr Allardyce, can I please have a quarter of what your smoking. Silva had Watford playing football and had midfield runners running in behind the striker when he holds the ball up, our striker is that isolated he might as well be on an Arctic expedition! Then again when you persist on playing 2 defense minded midfielders and your most creative midfielder out of position, how do you expect to have these runners from midfield. Attack is the best form of defense, yet our attack is so blunt it couldn't cut butter! I bet you we don't play 2 strikers tomorrow, at home to the bottom side, then come back and laud over the gravy boat.

09 Feb 2018 08:16:26
I'm baffled how people can still defend him we play the worst football in the league and he comes out with comments such as it's there fault the players have not done what we asked he is a shocking manager.

09 Feb 2018 07:46:19
Agreed Ed001. He wasn’t needed then and he most definitely isn’t needed now. Paddington Bear could tactically do a better job. Unfortunately DU wasn’t given enough time as manager as the squad 100% wanted to play for the guy. He would have picked up more points than the fraud to date that’s for sure. Say it once and I’ll say it again whoever pointed Sam in the first place needs to give they’re head a wobble. Such a lame panic appointment. Sam Allardyce Out! Let’s at least give these players more marmalade sandwiches to chew on.

{Ed001's Note - that's what I don't understand, Allardyce felt like a panic appointment but you were not in a position for that to be time to panic. It is bizarre.}

09 Feb 2018 08:15:04
I am with Ed, I thought Unsworth was progressing and soughting the team out.