Everton Banter Archive August 09 2016

09 Aug 2016 22:25:46
So I have a theory on why it has taken time for us to dive into the market.

I think our targets all depended on either Lukaku or Stones going. If neither of these left the club we would have gone out and signed players but not of this calibre that we are looking at now and maybe not as many. We may even have not signed in all of these positions.

With the extra money from Stones we were able to aim at a level up and more EPL proven players which cuts out the risk of buying players yhat don't adapt to our league. Looking at what happened to Liverpool and Spurs when they went to town shopping we are hopefully learning a lesson.

I think that once these 3 or 4 are signed up and done there may well still be more in the bank for that statement making player.

Its only a theory but we don't look like stopping anytime soon and those moaning about delaying or waiting or whatever for players might just sit down on sep 1st and think what have we been worrying about.

COYB NSNO.

{Ed025's Note - im with you john.more to come i think mate.

10 Aug 2016 06:29:57
A keeper should be our priority. All the top teams have a great keeper - break the bank for Forster.

10 Aug 2016 06:51:20
Totally agree John, RK had a lot of assessing to do with the squad he inherited, coupled with waiting on Stones and city. Hopefully a few more added by the end of the week.
Agree with BB4 on we need a top class keeper but am I one of the few that doesn't rate FF? I'd rather throw money at Butland and, dare I say it, Hart! Both are miles better that Forster imo.

{Ed025's Note - i like butland spud and i also rate FF, but hart is an accident waiting to happen for me mate, far to pretty for a keeper..

10 Aug 2016 07:59:08
I'm not a fan of Hart. Too hype up in every sense of the word.

I do like the other two but FF would be my choice. I would have loved Schmichel though.

I'm not sure on Mata. He's a big name but I don't know if he's a big game player anymore and it would depend on the outlay on whether he would be worth it.

09 Aug 2016 21:27:09
What do you think of bolasie ed?

{Ed025's Note - i think hes very good adz, very direct and can frighten defenders to death mate...whats not to like? :)

09 Aug 2016 23:33:26
He reminds me of tino asprilla, just the rubber legs part, not the shooting guns bit lol.

09 Aug 2016 23:35:43
Not for me. Pace, yes. But about 140 games for palace (not all in the prem either) and I think 12 goals. 30 mill for a 28 (nearly 29) for an African going to their cup of nations soon.

10 Aug 2016 07:26:48
Bolasie has just turned 27.

10 Aug 2016 08:04:45
I think he's a good player with pace and directness. He's at his peak age wise. People get worried in spending big money on players over 22 years old but what you are buying is less risk. Players at this age are less risky and are usually established meaning they cost more.

Look at the Stones deal as an example. He's young and not fully developed and at this time needs a lot of work. There's nothing to say he won't get any better. Would you pay for a player £50mil what he is producing right now? I wouldn't. Stones is a huge gamble, this isn't so much.

09 Aug 2016 21:54:26
Don't want to be negative but the squad we have is small and overated if we sign bony etc and they go to the African nations in January then I feel we will be in relegation trouble and might not escape this time we need to strengthen the squad not fill it with players we can't use in january we have all this money and still can't sign anyone something feels not quite right.

09 Aug 2016 22:19:31
So the best squad since the 80s (according to most fans and was the main reason we demanded Martinez out for underachieving with them) minus Stones, Hibbert, Osman and Pienaar is now dead set for relegation?
My word. Fickle much?

09 Aug 2016 23:06:40
Your clearly a disillusioned Liverpool fan. We've got all the young guns, so do one kopite

09 Aug 2016 23:49:46
We had a bad squad last season but people for some reason believed the crap out of RM's mouth.

10 Aug 2016 06:57:09
So why were we upset with 11th and 2 semi finals, why did all the pundits and experts think that was underachieving as well? If the squad was poor last season and relegation fodder our achievements were fantastic.

09 Aug 2016 20:11:09
Hey eds do you still think it's unlikely that we will sign Kone from sland or is the deal closer now? I really like this lad I think he could be the best signing of the summer.

{Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}

09 Aug 2016 22:13:09
Yes I have read them I meant since then has there been any movement? Thanks anyway.

09 Aug 2016 20:59:55
If we finalise all current signings and manage to keep lukaku I will be made up. Luck and bony up front will be banging em in!

09 Aug 2016 20:13:55
Haha palace think there getting one over on us charging 30m for bolasie but wer having the last laugh if we send them niasse.

09 Aug 2016 19:59:18
A strange thing happens to me today.

I went to bed as normal on Monday night and woke up on transfer deadline day!

09 Aug 2016 19:51:15
Lost stones but we knew that was coming and joe hart can kiss my swingers, as stones confessed he tapped him up. On the plus side Williams is quality, Bolasie is better than we have so positive and really hope we get kone as he would be the jewel. Would love ziechly and slimani. Save the rest of our war chest for January, what a difference a few signings make to the whole blue army!

09 Aug 2016 19:03:13
Got to say fair play to the men at the top for not being bullied by city and sticking to their guns on the valuation placed on Stones. I wish John well but he is now in the past and it's time to look forward. There were a few knee jerk posts from certain posters who just wanted signings for the sake of it, but in reality our targets probably weren't available until their clubs had replacements lined up. I don't know what our squad looks like with regards to how many places are available, that one is for Cowpat sid. I reckon we will see players moved on also, maybe on loan or permanently. Obviously the players without squad numbers are surplus but could we also add the likes of Cleverly to that and maybe Mccarthy if rumoured Stoke interest is to be believed. I like Jimmy and I'm not saying get shut but I can't see him being a starter with Gueye coming in. The reshape is beginning and the balance of right and left may finally be solved with Yannick. Hopefully we get these across the line and make a strong start to the season and maybe silence the negative posts too. COYB.

09 Aug 2016 19:51:35
I second that bluegray87! Fantastic post!

09 Aug 2016 18:35:36
If we sign bony kone and bollaise along with Gueye all 4 will be on African nations duty come January.

09 Aug 2016 19:10:01
I was only thinking that mate 🙈.

09 Aug 2016 19:58:40
True, that's when other players will have to step up. Hopefully we'll have a competitive squad so their absence won't be felt as much.

09 Aug 2016 20:01:54
it happens looks like koeman wants to add strength so we become more physical and imposing for other teams and I couldn't agree more. These are the players available that can do that so it is what it is.

09 Aug 2016 18:25:31
Good luck to stones 47.5mil lol an williams a brilliant replacement good buisness by koeman kone next then bony what a back 4 and what a attack id s##t myself if i was a cb with bony an rom commin at me and bolasie of course another great signing here we go boys all together now the school of sience is on its way back coybs.

09 Aug 2016 18:08:26
What a day of signings for everton, is it christmas.

09 Aug 2016 18:02:43
Have to be careful on our replacements remember. If (and it's a big if) we are wanting Kone, Bony, Bolassie and thus napoli cb, we'll lose half our team for the African nations. Just a thought.

09 Aug 2016 17:34:35
rumours on news now saying palace have accepted 25 mil for bolasie from us hope this is true.

09 Aug 2016 16:12:12
Will Koeman make Williams captain?

I would as Jags isn't commanding enough in my opinion.

09 Aug 2016 16:24:39
Well it all seems to be happening now. Supposedly in advanced talks for Bony and Bolasi is to undergo a medical. Wouldn't mind any of the four players supposedly on their way to us.

The media are going to go crazy with now linking us to every man and his dog.

09 Aug 2016 16:53:50
You sure blue John, can't find either story.

09 Aug 2016 16:54:51
I'm happy but still need a cretive cm and a box to box.

09 Aug 2016 16:59:09
If and it's a big if, as when I've Googled the stories are coming from twitter. Then I would be happy with our new look attack and defence going into the new season. Granted we still need a keeper but to add bolasie and Bony to Rom and Delboy and Mirallas then we have goals in us.

09 Aug 2016 17:05:20
apparently Bony was talked about same time as the Stones deal was concluded however I don't think he will be a cheap buy.

09 Aug 2016 15:51:31
I can see Mata signing for us on deadline day just a feeling I have, Need another striker and a winger as well also another centre half and I think we will be complete but if we don't get those positions filled I think we will still do well this season because Koeman comes with more than a plan A really have a good feeling about this guy very happy to have him really looking forward to this season. But on the transfer front none of us really know who the club are putting bids in for but for some strange reason I think we will get Mata but I could be completely wrong but you never know.

09 Aug 2016 16:04:21
Still need a cm or twould, no creativity or goal threat in the middle of the park.

09 Aug 2016 16:22:12
Agree Stef, still would like a goalkeeper signed as much as any other position.

09 Aug 2016 16:30:35
Forgot about that NBTB we could do with a solid number one.

09 Aug 2016 16:11:01
Mata mate that's who I hope we get creative midfield player who also bags a goal or two.

09 Aug 2016 15:38:06
Good luck to Stones. He's a nice lad and is an example to people like Lukaku on how to conduct yourself in these matters.

For us we can move on over what seems to have gone forever. Williams seems like a good fit and happy we have got someone in with experience. If Kone is also going to come then we will be getting another good young CB. I think there is likely to be much more coming in over the final few weeks as well.

Not sure I want to see Jags go but he does seem to be injured quite a bit and how he fits into Koemans team i'm not sure with Williams here now.

Anyway onwards and upwards.

COYB NSNO.

09 Aug 2016 16:31:31
Didn't he stick a Transfer Request in last season? Is that how you conduct yourself? When I believe Lukaku hasn't done that? I think it's mostly the media mate to be honest. Seems to me they are trying to portray your club as a selling club. Which I don't think you are by the way.

09 Aug 2016 16:45:37
Not sure about him being a nice guy BlueJohn. He has obviously wanted out for the past year, has not performed as well as he is capable and every photograph of him has shown a sulky face. The first time I have seen him smile is this morning when he signed for City. His statement that he has been following City in the pre-season says it all. I would not be surprised if he is on the City scrap heap in a few years. A talented player but one we can do without. If players do not want to play for us then they should go especially at the present inflated transfer prices and that goes for Lukaku as well. He has been crap since ten games back in last season, missed a penalty against United and generally looks as if he does not care. If we give him an increased wage then he better put more effort in otherwise it will be better to take the money.
I know this is a business these days and the time when players sweat blood for the club have long gone but I want to see players who give their all for the club that are paying their massive wages. Sulky players who think that they are better than Everton Football Club we can do without.

09 Aug 2016 16:09:28
Hope your right B. J. U.

09 Aug 2016 14:04:56
Am happy stones has gone, nothing personal with him and I don't blame him for going I just personally rate him that highly I no am going to get called all kinds ov bitter here but I don't I think out ov our current cbs under 23 he is behind Pennington and on par with holgate so to get that price for him and replace him with Ashley Williams is an absolute masterstroke that's just my opinion am not saying stones doesn't have potential but we cnt afford to wait and hope right now we need proven top class like Williams.

09 Aug 2016 13:22:01
Good luck to Stones happy with Williams pity we didn't get him a couple of years ago but 2 good seasons from him I'd say given his age ah well just to get rid of Lukaku now and then we will have a full squad of players that actually want to play for us.

09 Aug 2016 12:43:53
Good luck to Stones - wish him all the best. Has the potential to be world class in a year or 2, but realistically he was never going to reach that level with us so good luck to him. Under Guardiola and with a team who will defend less and where he will therefore be under less pressure I think he will thrive. Although the fee is massive I think it is a good deal for all parties.

Williams is a fantastic signing - a leader and exactly what we need. Would be delighted with him and Indi.

Don't need Kone as well, 18mil is far too much. Between Jags, Funes, Williams, Indi, Holgate and Pennington we have CB covered. Also think Galloway on loan makes a lot of sense to give him 1st team football with a strong squad. Also points to Holgate being given a bigger role to play.

Pleased with the business starting to be done!

09 Aug 2016 13:09:45
Kone would be a great signing. Had a good season with Sunderland and is a powerhouse.

09 Aug 2016 13:57:37
Jagielka has had his day I'm afraid. Don't be surprised if he went in this window. You'd want Williams as a Captain and I wouldn't be surprised if that was a part of him coming. Funes Mori needs more time out of the first 11 so Kone would be my preffered with PL experience.

09 Aug 2016 13:57:51
stevie - can't say I saw much of him other than when he scored twice against us. I know he is highly rated in Sunderland. My opinion is mostly based on the fact that I had never heard of him before he joined for 5mil just 7 months ago! Probably a fairly ignorant view haha

Happy to put all my trust in those in charge as they clearly have more knowledge on the player than me. And if he does join then I hope he adds steel to the defence.

Also the more I think about it - having pushed the Stones price up to almost 50mil, we can hardly complain about being pushed up to 18mil by other teams!

09 Aug 2016 12:28:27
Just had a laugh with my lad. He pointed out that united introduced pogba in a glitzy video with him wearing the club shirt and a new hair do; while city introduce stones wearing the grounds mans spare waterproof jacket.

09 Aug 2016 12:16:26
Can't understand why Stones wouldn't want at least a year under the greatest ball playing defenders to ever play the game. Good riddance I suppose.

Ed, any idea if Koulibaly might still be on the cards?

{Ed002's Note - You should have more respect for Everton players - leaving or not. I have answered repeatedly about KK.}

09 Aug 2016 13:07:56
Agree with ed. he hasn't gone shouting his mouth like lukaku supposedly has. we all knew last summit that we would have the season with him then he would be gone. good luck to the lad, apart from playing against us.

09 Aug 2016 13:16:36
People have a right to opinions ed even if no one agrees with them.

{Ed002's Note - As I have previously explained the septic support given in the recent past by Everton supports is the reason why the club are reluctant to engage. I am sure you also no doubt see all Everton players as a waste of space and unwanted deadwood - that is typical of the modern fuck-witted supporter.}

09 Aug 2016 14:03:22
I'm happy for the lad, but sad to see him leave - it certainly isn't good riddance! And why would he want to stay when supporters have that attitude toward him?

09 Aug 2016 15:24:21
To many small minded individuals on here, I personally will miss Stones and indeed would have liked to see him alongside Williams who I'm sure will be a great defensive stalwart for us. Stones is the most versatile defender in the premier and could easily sat in front of a back four or perfect with three CB's.
I wish him all the best he has had a rough ride from a lot of so called supporters over the last year!

{Ed001's Note - it is not small minded to not rate a player mate. He has been woeful for you, despite all the hype. It was ridiculous for such a poor defender. You should just be glad Citeh's scouting is so utterly useless when it comes to finding players in recent years, or they might have signed a defender, rather than a youngster who thinks he is the reincarnation of Beckenbauer but has not even learnt to do the basics yet.}

09 Aug 2016 16:00:06
He has youth on his side and you are never to old to learn, its just the right manager and defensive coach getting the best from him. Unfortunately like so many other its to much to young!

09 Aug 2016 11:38:02
Pretty sad to see Stones go, he will be world class one day and I wish him well. Williams is a good replacement in the short term, but can't help think we will never replace Stones. But, life goes on and we've lost great players before today and done ok.

09 Aug 2016 12:11:59
Ped I think we got another in this Holgate.

09 Aug 2016 11:59:26
We leaked so many goals with him at the back, he made so many mistakes so either he isn't as good as we thought or he was playing for a move. Either way we will carry on without him. But can't blame him for wanting to go he was never a blue in my eyes we were always a stepping stone.

09 Aug 2016 14:01:10
Definitely BeStyrne, he looks a class act.

He's not the finished article and has not been coached correctly IMO Dunc. A top top player who we should be really sad to see go.

09 Aug 2016 11:16:29
So that's stones away finally I for one will be glad to see the saga draw to conclusion.
Would be happy with Williams or the lad from Sunderland kone at the back. Heard rumours about suspected interest in bolasie which think would be a good shout aswell but feel we need a decent striker up front even if we keep Lukaku. I'd like someone like Shane long not the most prolific of strikers granted but what he lacks in that dept he makes up in his overall play. Are there any rumours of any new attacking options coming in?

09 Aug 2016 12:51:57
One of the eds said were in for ante coric and we will get another striker. id wager bony.

{Ed002's Note - Ante Coric of Dinamo Zagreb is destined for an excellent career if he doesn't move too early - but Chelsea, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Spurs and Manchester City are very keen. His club are aware of this interest and the tentative interest of other sides, such as Liverpool and West Ham. I have no knowledge of any bid from Liverpool but it has been made clear that the player would not join other interested sides just yet as he knew he would not be getting game time - so perhaps a move to a club where he is guaranteed to play regularly is an option. Liverpool certainly have interest, as do West Ham, but were not one of the five clubs Zagreb had said they had spoken to. Manchester City has approached his agent again recently and a number of other sides have made general enquiries with his agent about availability, these include Udinese, Crystal Palace, Everton and Ajax.}

09 Aug 2016 10:49:40
Stones off to city next 24hrs hope bony comes our way plus 50 mil its going to be a very busy week i think and we could get bolasie and kone and a few more i know we have had a quiet summer in transfers but this next 2weeks going to be crazy.

09 Aug 2016 10:06:11
uefa saying stones must be signed to be on man citys champions league list.

09 Aug 2016 09:34:49
Stones gone to city. Confirmed by UEFA. What a mess that is.

09 Aug 2016 10:33:49
Don't think it's a mess John, looks like we tried doing our business on the QT and a journalist has finally done some real investigative work for once.

09 Aug 2016 00:33:31
Naismith, friend went to see Blackburn and Norwich on Saturday, despite being dropped last season by the Canaries apparently Nassie was motm , cheeky bid anyone?
lol.

08 Aug 2016 21:51:03
What if we do worse and finish lower does that mean RM was not as bad as we thought and it's the team that's not good enough ? just a thought?

09 Aug 2016 00:39:08
I think we have to cut our new manager some slack, imo, martinez left our club in one hell of a mess, it could take 12 mounths just to put us back on an even keel.

09 Aug 2016 06:56:52
He left ronny with an imbalanced squad that's not suited to the way he plays. Could be a work in progress this season mate with a cup run or qis lifting for Europe the goal.

09 Aug 2016 07:16:48
Unbalanced squad? Mmmn I have heard that said before somewhere.

09 Aug 2016 10:37:12
SkyLark, whatever the Squad Roberto Martinez has the weakness will always be there and that is his inability to accept advice and lack of anything other than Plan A. It showed at Wigan, then us and believe me it will show with Belgium.