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08 Jun 2016 22:08:53
Ed, was wondering or anyone else know, what contract have we offered koeman, i mean is it 2, 3, 4 year contract, . i hope to god he doesn't do the same to us for barca, or arsenal . thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I don't know any details but I would expect 3 years at least.}
08 Jun 2016 22:15:18
We need to appoint Koeman or whoever sooner rather than later. The media is stripping our club of our players AGAIN! Now it's Coleman to Man Utd, So that's stones, lukaku, Coleman, barkley, mirallas all off apparently with osman, Howard, Gibson, mcgeady, Hibbert, kone and I'm sure there's more end of contract!
Wow. we should enter a five a side league instead next year. We need a BIG statement of intent now to set the tone.
09 Jun 2016 01:59:22
The media do it all the time and for every other team too. Chill, it will be sorted when Moshiri is happy.
09 Jun 2016 07:27:02
Stop being dramatic big nose, jees. Happens every year with every club. Chill ya beans.
08 Jun 2016 21:48:32
There seems to be a new story everyday in the press about our club and the direction its moving into.
Its still really early days and I think once we have sat the players down after Euro 16 most players who we thought were going will probably stay.
08 Jun 2016 20:59:38
so the posts have started already that we are missing out on targets (Jansen), yet these are counter balanced with the pessimistic 'lower the expectations' posts. The fact is we are in the best financial situation in decades with a majority shareholder who knows what he wants n can back it up.
so there is nothing wrong with balanced optimism although I agree that instant success won't happen overnight. let's just enjoy where we are at . ffs we have waited long enough 😀 COYB
Mart.
08 Jun 2016 23:15:03
We may have missed out on Janssen, but to be fair we haven't even got a manager yet (and although it's virtually a done deal our next manager is on holiday) We are also said to be looking at the Director model, who would also have a say. 90% of transfers will be done after the Euros, so we need to be patient.
Koeman isn't going to sign on the dotted line then unveil new signings in a matter of days. There's no guarantee Janssen would be on his shopping list anyway.
08 Jun 2016 19:25:19
Anybody else get the feeling that lulaka will still be here next season? I don't know why but i can't see stones or barkley leaving either. I might be hopeful but really think we're building something special here and given time we will be regularly back amongst the best :)
08 Jun 2016 20:17:07
Eds, I understood that Koeman was in line to replace Wenger at Arsenal within the next 2 years. Did that situation change and if not why do you feel Koeman left Southampton after a successful season and with a relatively strong squad?
{Ed025's Note - £6m a year is the short answer mulam, he will also have a budget bigger than he has had before and the prestige of being at one of the great clubs and thats no offence to southampton but its true mate..
08 Jun 2016 20:51:43
Thanks for the swift response Ed025. Will be interesting to see if he can do as well for you guys as he did at Southampton. Seems to be a very highly regarded manager but I would have thought the Everton squad would require a lot of strengthening to make top 6. You seem to have a lot of good but older players along with your best young players quite possibly moving on
I wonder if Koeman is committed long term to Everton or whether he still expects to take over from Wenger.
{Ed025's Note - he has got re-building to do mulam but he will have a very healthy war chest to work with, who know what the future holds for any manager? im afraid loyalty in football is a thing of the past but we just have to try and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts mate..
08 Jun 2016 19:52:59
Hi Ed very interesting article in the Echo it states that our new investor is ready to smash our wage structure I think this sends out a message he is the real deal, have to say I am really looking forward to the summer transfer market we are in for some big surprises, many thanks Bill for finding us a GEM, GuernseyBlue.
{Ed025's Note - i just cant wait for the next chapter GB, im really looking moshiri dishes up next and wait with baited breath to hear the plans for the new stadium mate COYB..
08 Jun 2016 21:03:48
Hi Ed thanks for the reply I think the next few months is going to be nothing short of a miracle this man is the real deal, thankyou Bill, GuernseyBlue.
08 Jun 2016 21:31:17
did you read the comments to that article, all moaning because we will be spending too much money, questioning where his money is from and how much, like Ed 2 says we are best forgetting about the money side.
08 Jun 2016 20:47:01
Hi Ed definitely agree next step maybe a new stadium pinch me I can't believe this is happening remind me, it is Everton cheers mate GuernseyBlue.
{Ed025's Note - it certainly is GB..
08 Jun 2016 19:25:35
Guys chill out Koeman is on holiday, we know the deal is as good as complete. What difference does it make when we confirm it?
08 Jun 2016 19:16:09
Anyone else really happy that Sir Phillip Green never got involved in our club?
To think he could have been skimming the profits off us if the Kirby stadium had gone ahead!
08 Jun 2016 18:05:08
Very disappointed we have not made a move for the Dutch striker 12m seems a bargin and well suited to the prem spurs will have themselves a bargin there this is why we need the manager sorted or we will be missing out the young swiss lad will need help next year and time but looks good but with rom going we need another striker and like i say 12m is nothing these days i think we spent 13m on a donkey last year with a dodgy leg .
08 Jun 2016 23:07:18
He may be a good player but wouldn't it be better to get the new manager in first and then go about targeting new signings? RK, if he does come to us, will have an idea of what positions he'll need to strengthen so let's wait and see. It would be pointless bringing in a player that may not be a part of his plans.
Maybe Moshiri has set his sights higher than a lad from the dutch league, albeit one who scores goals, so don't get too down on who we may be missing out on.
09 Jun 2016 02:43:29
Koeman has been very shrewd in the transfer market with Southampton. He brought in Van Dyke, Mane, Tadic, Long and did he sign Forester. If we can bring in Monchi the pool for good young players will be huge as he uncovers lots of gems. We have 7/ 8 youth players ready to step in to the squad on a regular basis. Pennington, Holgate, Davies, Williams, Ledson, JJ Kenny, Garbutt, Connolly and maybe Sambou before the season ends. Glad we did not agree to a clause Southampton wanted to put in we could not sign any of there players. They have 6 players that have a bit of quality about them. Forester, Bertrand, Van Dyke, Mane, Long and Tadic. Taken we did not agree to that Koeman must be planning on signing a couple from there. So an interesting summer ahead.
09 Jun 2016 03:01:16
Sorry I forgot Dowell. With other young players like Stones, Barkley, Deulofeu, Galloway, Browning and Tarashaj not to mention Rom as I think he will leave for sure. Think we need about 4 or 5 signings and good days may not be far away.
08 Jun 2016 17:53:15
I love all the positivity. It was the same when Moyes left and Martinez was announced. We were soon going to be in the Champions League. People will say I am negative. However, I do not see the road to glory quite the way some of our fans on here do. Yes Koeman could come in and do a fantastic job. He could sign 5 or 6 new players with the 100 million and yes we could be challenging for Europe. Another scenario is that he comes in, sees the squad is painfully thin of attacking creativity.
Has a moody center forward who seems to be talking about leaving every 5 minutes and a base of midfielders (Barkley aside) who could not score goals against the Women's Institute over 60's team (sorry ladies I am sure you are good! ) . He could then be held to randsome by other clubs demanding ridiculous fees for their players because they all have the TV money anyway and are looking to spend silly themselves. He will also be competing against Leicester City, West Ham, Southampton as well as the usual top 4 (sorry 5 now) who seem to have even more money than sense.
So any "bargains" are going to be extremely difficult to find. The 3rd scenario is that as well as finding it tough to find new players, the moody center forward actually demands to leave or one of the top Euro clubs see Barkley and/ or Stones as a good aquisition. Then our goals have gone. So even if Koeman does sort the defence, he needs to find goals from somewhere. I am not saying the other 2 scenarios will happen. I am just saying all 3 scenarios are a big possibility. But keep up being positive fellow Blues. I am sure you are right.
08 Jun 2016 19:24:16
Ever the optimist Degsy. But you are beginning to sound like a stuck record with this constant no goals from midfield. Maybe just maybe that was because of the system we played the past 2 years. Although Ross did score 10 from midfield, Mirallas even though he didn't start as much as he should chipped in with goals, Lennon also got goals and Mori scored a few from the back.
The problem we had was not the scoring of goals it was the conceding. So in all honesty if you are looking for criticism to find a way to mention your Ginger crush then the lack of goals is the wrong idea. So please try and be positive and look forward to a new dawn at our great club and stop dragging up the past you sound like our neighbours acrosso the park.
08 Jun 2016 19:25:21
Anything could happen Degsy. What we have to look at is the big picture. We have rid ourselves of a manager who was taking us into the Championship, not the Champions League. We have a new owner who seems to be determined to stop the rot and improve the business side of the club and with a bit of luck get us a new stadium. We look as if we are going to get a Manager who did well with a Southampton side that yearly lost their best players and who definitely must improve the defensive side of the team.
We hopefully are going to get a Director of Football who can identify and recruit top prospects. We have some exciting youngsters who can get into the first team squad in the near future. Yes it is not going to be easy. We will have competition from other teams and it will not happen overnight, but their is no reason not to be optimistic that a change for the better is going to happen over the next few years.
08 Jun 2016 19:52:28
Heck of a read Degsy and if I can just find a service revolver and a nice dark room.
08 Jun 2016 22:22:57
Degs, Wife just left me, dog died this morning, cam belt just gone on car, TV just gone poof but I still got Everton!
08 Jun 2016 21:50:59
Wow, Degsy are you ok mate? Only asking because its the first time you've posted without mentioning Osman.
08 Jun 2016 23:18:37
Wow Degs, this is bad even by your standards mate! The obligatory name dropping of DM, check. The mention of lack of goals from midfield, check. Come on mate, this is the most stable our club has been since the 80's.
We have a new investor (hopefully soon to be owner) who is addressing everything about the club that has held us back in the premier league era. He's giving the new manager (hopefully RK) the biggest budget any man has been given in our history and he wants to sort out the new stadium. What more has he got to do to get you excited?
Obviously, there are risks and possible pitfalls but let's just enjoy a pre season where we have big changes, ones for the better at that, on the horizon.
The problem we had has now gone (RM) and, as you have said on these pages before, he was to blame for not getting the best out of this talented squad. The future is looking good mate so try and be a bit more optimistic.
09 Jun 2016 11:38:49
Guys, I admire the optimism. I really do! I am hopeful. if not optimistic. Like I said. there are 3 possible outcomes and the millions of Mike Ashly and Randy Learner at clubs of no less esteem than ours did them no favours. I think what I am trying to say is calm down a bit or you might just get over excited and the football might have to get worse to get better if that makes sense?
08 Jun 2016 17:31:39
HI ed what is happening with the manager situation. The silence is deafening yet again from the club. Thought this would all change with moshiri coming in. What is holding the announcement up. Thought the compo and his backroom staff were sorted and he's agreed to the contract on offer. It's unbelievable it really is.
{Ed002's Note - You simply have to wait. The club will introduce him to the press when the time is suitable and he is in the UK.}
08 Jun 2016 17:27:52
Hi ed's what's the hold up with koeman he was ment to be unveiled in the next 24 hours, 48 hours ago!
{Ed002's Note - There is no hold up.}
08 Jun 2016 15:30:06
Hi ED what players would you like to see RK bring in?
{Ed025's Note - i have answered that a few times blueboy, please use the search function mate..
08 Jun 2016 19:41:13
Come ed ye sound like ed002 now.
{Ed025's Note - i answered the same question this morning and again yesterday shakey..truth be known i cant remember who i said i wanted mate.. :)
08 Jun 2016 14:13:30
I'm pretty sure this is the longest 24 to 48 hours ever experienced. Think we are heading into day 6 now.
08 Jun 2016 14:09:48
Great article by Chris Bascombe in the
Telegraph on Everton and its standing. On another note, Southampton fans not happy about talk of Everton pinching their players.
Have to agree with them. there is something unsavoury about talking of taking players from a club after you have stolen their manager. we didn't like it over Baines and moyse at Manchester United and should remain consistent in our views now.
08 Jun 2016 15:54:32
If the players are under contract they can always say no like we did with Stones and Baines. If the players start to push for a move they have to decide if they want to keep an unhappy player. It's the way football is nowadays, contracts aren't really worth the paper they're written on and loyalty is non existent.
08 Jun 2016 16:53:32
I never had a problem with Moyes buying our players. However, it was the way he went about it.
First of all bidding for them on his last day of his contract with us!
Secondly saying in a press conference on Sky that he would let Baines and Fellani go if he was still manager to further their careers.
As long as we do it right and in the same manner as we normally buy players then I don't see a problem with it. They can always say no like we have done.
08 Jun 2016 17:03:19
I do agree Oscar. What's the saying though? What goes around comes around! We have had our fair share of dire years.
Unfortunately the way the game has gone money talks. We're in the fortunate position now that we are attracting people who have even said they were happy somewhere else. Namely Koeman.
Time will tell if that translates into players doing the same. I can't really see just because Koeman has become our manager that we all of a sudden can't sign Southampton players.
Its an open market. If we bid for a player it doesn't automatically mean we get the player. Why should we not be able to sign players just because we got a manager off the same club?
I know if I was a Southampton supporter I would be thick and saying all sorts about Everton. Unfortunately that's the way it has gone. Not Everton F. C. 's fault.
Have to just put up with it. God knows we had to before. Look at other players that left Everton, not only Felliani, Arteta, Lescott and Pienaar. That's the transfer market. Every player is for sale. If the club are willing to take the price. Sometimes even when they don't want to sell.
08 Jun 2016 17:29:40
Would just like to point out that zero players followed MoPo to Spurs when he left. Usually agreement between clubs to avoid this for an agreed period and I suspect this has been part of the long discussions (not just compensation) .
Secondly, RoKo did a good job at Saints but some players will not be unhappy to see him leave.
We will see one or two leave, but I suspect not to Everton (no disrespect but suspect they just have different ambitions. )
All this assumes we now recruit a new manager that the players are happy with! (But the club should be aware of that. )
Don't think that many of us have any problem with Everton. We just don't like people we help fund to enjoy a certain life style telling us porkies. Doesn't gel with the Southampton Way.
08 Jun 2016 20:54:29
'no disrespect but suspect they just have different ambitions'. Care to elaborate on that.
I appreciate Koeman shouldn't of said he had no interest. It looks bad now that he said he wasn't interested and then done a complete u-turn. I'd be cheesed if our manager done that.
Southampton seem to be a well run club. I think Koeman leaving won't even be a blip in time to come for Southampton.
08 Jun 2016 12:43:29
Eds, can you shed any light on how our transfer dealings are likely to change with koeman coming in? Any new targets? Or does it depend on who comes in as DoF?
I think we need 5-7 new players depending on who leaves (in order of importance) :
ST - Need someone to replace goals of Lukaku when he goes.
DM - Top class DM to break up play and stop our reliance on Barry
LW - Been crying out for one since Peanut started his decline
GK - either back-up to Joel or No1
ST - Back-up striker as not convinced by Niasse
AM/ WG - Versatile attacking mid, alternatively could put faith in Tarashaj?
CB - Think we're OK with what we have, but should replace Mori if a decent bid comes in for him.
As to who we should get I think Jansen would be good, though it looks like we could be missing out on this one. Milik a potential alternative?
Not sure on DM but history shows me might not need to break the bank on this (Kante, Makelele, Casemiro) .
Left winger I would love Brahimi from Porto - top class player and rumours Porot may have to sell on the cheap for FFP reasons. Chelsea heavily linked and probably wants Champo League so this one is very ambitious. Boufal potential alternative
GK, disappointed we've missed out on Karius and Zieler who have both gone for very cheap. Wouldn't want to spend ridiculous money on one,
{Ed002's Note - Everton are looking to a deal for Monchi that would have far more impact over how transfers will be undertaken than a change of manager. I have explained this in some detail already.
Brahimi won't be sold "on the cheap". Brahimi won't be moving to Everton. Boufal won't be moving to Everton. Everton did not "miss out" on Karius. Everton did not "miss out" on Zieler. Kante won't be moving to Everton. Casemiro won't be moving to Everton. Makelele could be available, but at 43 I doubt Everton will want to offer him more than a 3 year contract.}
08 Jun 2016 13:30:21
Thanks for the quick reply Ed.
As mentioned in my post I know that Brahimi won't be moving to us just a player that I would love to have. As with the comment that he may be sold "on the cheap" I am purely going from what I have read regarding the current financial situation at Porto with regards to FFP and the implications this could have.
I will also remind you of your quote a month ago "There is no chance Koeman will be moving to Everton. "
Also it is obvious that I wasn't suggesting we sign Makelele, these are all clearly past examples of top quality defensive midfielders that didn't cost huge amounts of money (that's what the phrase "as history suggests" tends to mean) .
By your point that we didn't "miss out" on Karius and Zieler I assume you mean that we were never in for them in the first place. Fine, I don't pretend to be ITK but I still feel we "missed out on them" by not looking at them in the first place as they both look like they were good value for money.
I'm not ITK at all and will never confess to be. I am just a football fan like many others reads a lot about the game, watches some matches and sees good players and thinks "Oo I'd like him at Everton! "
I am also not one of "stupid ignorant football fans" who you seem to tarnish all posters with so please don't treat everyone like they are.
{Ed002's Note - Clearly from your original post you are one of the "stupid ignorant football fans" (your words and not mine). You certainly don't understand the situation with Brahimi - nor how his "ownership" is structured.}
08 Jun 2016 14:12:14
My understanding of the Brahimi ownership is that a large portion of his rights are owned by a third party and therefore any deal anyone wants to make to sign him will be a complex one driven largely by securing this portion of his rights and not just with Porto.
But you're right, I don't have a full breakdown of all of the contracts held by an Algerian winger based in Portugal and if that's your criteria for being an ignorant fan then yes I suppose I am.
I also don't personally know him so have no idea what his wishes and desires are. I never claimed to. In fact all I said is that I'd love him at Everton. In a similar way to the fact that I'd love to be able to spend all summer on a beach in the Caribbean. Very unlikely to happen but still doesn't stop me dreaming.
And don't worry, I'll soon stop thinking about ways I'd like to see my team improve.
{Ed002's Note - Yes ST - his ownership is pretty ugly. I did not mention anything about "stupid ignorant football fans", you did.}
08 Jun 2016 12:55:03
Great article by Chris Bascombe of the 'Telegraph'
Heres some snippets . . .
''Ronald Koeman appointment will be seen as day Everton banished undignified notion of being plucky outsider ''
''In luring Ronald Koeman from Southampton - confirmation is anticipated over the next 24 hours - Everton could not have made a more forceful statement reaffirming their standing as one of the Premier League's aristocracy. Those querying this are in a state of denial. ''
I like Chris . . .
08 Jun 2016 14:01:07
Just read that article, made me feel like we are going places!
08 Jun 2016 13:04:13
Just beat me posting about that article Blue, really good read, hope the Saints fans read it.
08 Jun 2016 17:27:35
Yeah just read this. I'll be honest and say it gave me a slight erection.
08 Jun 2016 12:48:06
After the last few days of feeling great about next season I have read something today that instills dread in me. Paul Merson has said we could challenge for the title next season now bear with me that looks like a good thing but its PAUL MERSON its like a manager getting a vote of confidence you just know something is going to go wrong course I'm just poking fun at Merse but seems to be a difference of opinion between the sky pundits on the merit of Koeman moving to us you know the totally impartial Matt le Tissier saying he doesn't think he will have a better chance to win things at Everton to the bloke who sits next to him every Saturday saying we could be the best in England just a thought next time anyone want to listen to ex pros giving betting tips lol.
08 Jun 2016 13:28:05
Le Tiss is just pissed at us for taking his manager and he sounds a bit spiteful to honest.
As for Merson he's just pissed.
08 Jun 2016 14:23:02
Apart from his martinez outburst on soccer Saturday, merson has always been banging on about us in a positive light. When billionaires were looking at buying lower league teams, merse was always asking what we had to do to get a billionaire. He knows what we are capable of as a club.
08 Jun 2016 12:29:30
The Lukaku price seems to be one for debate. So for arguments sake let's start by what we paid which was £28m supposedly so 2 seasons later would you say he has doubled his value with his performances? I would have to say no myself personally. His first touch is poor, his heading ability is questionable and he gets bullied quite a lot by defenders for a fellow his size. So when setting a price we should be happy to get our £28m we paid plus wages paid back and be shot of him. So maybe £35-40m maximum. I don't claim to be an expert just my opinion.
08 Jun 2016 13:21:09
if martial goes for 36 million lukaku has to be atleast breaking the 50 million barrier imo.
08 Jun 2016 13:46:04
This sort of debate always gets me. It is totally stupid. It is all to do with the length of his contract. ie if he has 6 months left. we might cash in and accept a silly offer. If he has just signed a 5 year deal. then we can hold on to him for any silly amount of money. Unless he goes on strike or disrupts the squad. a bit like the WBA kid last season. So the actual quality of player does not dictate the fee. at least not totally. Lukaku could go for anything between 24 and 60 million depending on how much someone else wants him. How much we want to hold on to him. How disruptive he becomes. An how long is left on his contract.
08 Jun 2016 12:18:40
And still no announcemention. What the hell is going on. Everton take an age to do anything. Any other club it would have been signed sealed and delivered days ago.
08 Jun 2016 11:07:55
Out of all the players out of contract this season and presumably leaving our club. I will be the most saddened by hibbo leaving. A true professional. Good luck in whatever you do. NSNO.
08 Jun 2016 15:41:24
Think he should be give a back room job with the club somewhere the guy is top class would probably empty the bins at Everton that's how much he love us. Personally don't see him playing much if at all for us and it depends if he still got the fire in his belly to play for another team but you get him teaching the kids about being Everton player and how to keep your head down work hard and stay out of trouble then hibbo is a great man for the job.
08 Jun 2016 08:05:06
Believe the fixtures are out next week. Southampton first game would be interesting.
08 Jun 2016 08:13:13
Bloody hell Ted! in that case I hope it's a home game lol.
08 Jun 2016 07:42:40
Morning eds
Been reading that juve are linked with lukaku again and hasn't ruled himself out of a move.
Would you sell him to them or take players. I mean he's worth 50 to 65m. could get zaza, perreyra and any change put towards bonnuci.
{Ed001's Note - not convinced he is worth anything like that much personally. I would expect a 20m player to be able to control the ball, let alone a 50-65m player, but that is besides the point. What tells you that any of those players would want to join Everton? Not saying they won't, but aren't you just exchanging one player seeing the club as a stopgap for more of them? Just inviting problems for the future if you ask me.}
08 Jun 2016 07:59:59
Yeah true. was just using those as examples really. didn't think of it like that. Only one I've heard is the west ham are after perreyra. so he may fancy coming to england.
{Ed001's Note - Zaza they chased as well. The issue then is wages, what if they want too much to join, even saying they want to? Or want release clauses? Or Juve values them much higher than Everton do? Better to target the players the club really wants and buy them, rather than being limited by who you can swap for.}
08 Jun 2016 10:02:25
Ed001, Have to agree with your assessment of Lukaku's price tag luckily we are not the ones setting the price, the market does, so his price tag will be inflated as with most. His goal ratio is high 78 in 136 starts. If he does move on then I would expect he goes for a very significant price. After all he up there with the best for his age with only Ronaldo, Raul, Messi and Aguero above him in the goals scored before your 23rd birthday category. If you want a proven goal scorer then he is your man.
08 Jun 2016 10:57:20
Ed would Juve have the finances to pay for his transfer?
Even if we sold him for 50 million, below the current value being thrown around (which I think is too high) , my impression was that very few clubs have the money to pay that sort of transfer fee.
{Ed002's Note - JUventus could afford him if they wanted him - but they don't.}
07 Jun 2016 23:09:51
What players would you like to see koeman bring in ED?
{Ed025's Note - a keeper would be good blueboy and forster would do fine, a CB if stones goes, van dijk would do and janssen up front, i would also like a midfielder but now im getting greedy mate..
08 Jun 2016 08:55:02
A good safe keeper is paramount for us imo the first priority addition.
08 Jun 2016 06:32:06
After koemans appointment, the fume will start all over about monchi, and given the fact no one knew who he was till we mentioned we was after him it is funny.
I mean we have never had a dof, and because we gone after him, so paper and media say, if we don't get him it will be the end of the world. But in reality no one knew who he was.
So let's not build are hopes up on something and someone we didn't know existed a few weeks ago.
Then we get to players hahaha, I seriously can't wait for transfers to start looking forward to this one.