Everton Banter Archive February 08 2018

08 Feb 2018 21:12:29
Got to love Allardyces pre match press conference. He praises Hodgson for palaces upturn in performances and in the same breath, points out that it's the same players he had playing for him. It's all about big Sam.

08 Feb 2018 22:02:47
yep Smit666 I got onto that as well ha ha not sure why you got a thumbs down though it seems the fraud still has his fans.

09 Feb 2018 10:38:39
Bigging himself up over a team languishing at the bottom, haha, yes that's great PR that Sam, how about you concentrate on getting the players you are paid handsomely to manage actually playing in a system that best utilises them.
Instead of watching Bisto adverts, try watching the players you have at your disposal and use them.

In case you don't get it that means play a number 10 as a number 10, play a LB in the LB position and play with 2 up top at home against so called lesser teams, too much to ask? Ok just play the same rubbish tactics and out of position players and see what happens.

08 Feb 2018 19:42:22
SA90 re your comment in my post a gage or 2 back. I didn't realise Koeman had only been with us 14 months. fair point. but that just supports what I am saying that managers are coming and going like the seasons when you get old. My point was the passion of Evertonians can be a really positive thing. but it can also be very negative. Allergy has come in to a quite terrible job and his first objective is to secure our Premiership place. Yet some fans are so hellbent on getting rid of him the pressure is mounting on the players. Like I said. when we win and play well, Goodison rocks. When we are losing and playing rubbish (as has happened often in the last couple of years) Goodison is a pit of hell. for our own players! We need to do what the word says. support! I know its a business these days. I also know Allergy is not everyone's cup of tea. but we need to make sure we are not part of the cause of any relegation. caused by infighting, lack of support (from supporters) and inexperience from kids who should not have such pressure on their young shoulders.

09 Feb 2018 09:56:05
degsyp I total we need to support the team and management at the moment, not create any additional negativity. I think the club made a mistake sacking Koeman when they did and the knee jerk reaction of getting SA in for a perceived relegation threat that if you look at the up and coming fixtures at the time may not have been warranted, Rhino was starting to get results and I think Koeman would have as well. However, we are where we are so as always the club gets my support 100%. I have seen plenty of crap football at Everton and to be honest with the exception of a couple of seasons the rest has been pretty mediocre. Unfortunately for me I am and will always be a blue so will suffer like the rest of us the ups and downs that is Everton Football Club.

09 Feb 2018 10:31:05
agree.

08 Feb 2018 15:55:50
just a quick queston eds, may be me being stupid or just not thinking right, how come every press conference the right questions are never asked? there's no pressure put on are they told before they come in these are the questions allowed to be asked? why then was there no question on why he persisted with three at the back which has never worked? why no questions about klaassen/ garbutt/ schneiderlin there's nothing coming from them really.

{Ed002's Note - Press conferences are organised to talk about matches, possibly injuries. Not to subjectively put pressure on the club staff. Everton are not forthcoming because of the previous toxic nature of the fans as has been previously explained - don't try to encourage it to degrade again.}

08 Feb 2018 17:56:41
I hate to admit it Ed002 but you are right about some of our toxic supporters. I can't believe what I read sometimes. I am Blue through and through. but sometimes I despair at what I read!

08 Feb 2018 16:42:00
Don't like players getting injured but relieved that Zaha won't be playing Saturday.

08 Feb 2018 18:10:14
Doesn't matter who they put out, they'll make mincemeat out of our left side, just like almost every other team if big Sam can't sort his selections out. Shame Zaha isn't playing, as I like to see good football even in opposing teams and the challenge of keeping him out would make for a good contest for a settled defence. Which we don't have. So I'm back to being glad he's out.

08 Feb 2018 12:42:59
So there seems to be a national team trend Martinez to Belgium, Koeman to Holland and Big Sam to Bonnie Scotland .?

TBH I thought Sam would sort us out short term but he's looking very bewildered in interviews . rabbit in the headlights .

08 Feb 2018 14:27:36
Some people would say big Sam to anywhere. I hear the Aussies need a new manager.

08 Feb 2018 17:23:49
At least he could follow his convictions.

{Ed025's Note - nice one glen..

08 Feb 2018 18:11:45
He'd probably put Cahill in goal and play with 10 defenders.

08 Feb 2018 21:23:35
No thanks Geof, the Socceroos have a manager now. He wasn't the first choice, but he will do fine. Actually the first choice, Graham Arnold might even be a good fit for us. Strategically very good, great team builder, not afraid of building and using youth. Tim Cahill is a big fan us his as well. Just no PL experience.

08 Feb 2018 12:06:16
Eddie Howe for me, young experienced at this level, straight talker and not defensive minded . Maybe he's waiting for the Arsenal job which has been mentioned previously in the press .

{Ed002's Note - He will not be a consideration for Arsenal - they have others in mind.}

08 Feb 2018 16:16:30
I like Eddie Howe, he has principles and a philosophy that he sticks to, something we're crying out for to be able to actually know what the plan is on the pitch and something we can get behind. He's young and a blue so I think he'd be a good long term project, Bournemouth play good football with exciting young players so I'd be happy with him. However, I think he still has a lot to learn and is a bit tactically naive. Him, Fornesca and Silva would be my targets.

08 Feb 2018 18:35:59
I have convinced myself that our next manager will be Paulo Fonseca, as he was considered but Shaktar were doing amazingly in Champions League, he wants to come to PL and has a style that would suit our ambitions and he's out of contract in the summer, which I'm sure is tempting to a board who have spent loads on convincing managers to join us over the last 18 months.

08 Feb 2018 09:20:51
can any EDs explain to us blues about just how much power does Steve Walsh have at goodison as I'm led to believe from what I have read is he pushed for the Sam . he has had a massive say in who we sign and he always seems to be bulletproof when it comes to blame so I'm guessing my question is just how has it come to be that a chief scout at Leicster now seems to have a lot of power at Everton can someone explain it to me.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained all of this over and over. Try the search engine.}

08 Feb 2018 09:35:29
cheers ED02 I must of missed it I will have a look now.

08 Feb 2018 09:48:09
again ED02 I have gone back as far as Nov 21st and I can't see anything that explains how Steve Walsh seems to have gained so much power from being chief scout at Leicester to DOF at Everton who seems to be able to tell Moshiri who to appoint I'm baffled how our clubs looks to being run from the outside.

{Ed002's Note - I explained all the way through the selection process who wanted whom as manager/coach. And to be fair SW is a footballing guy, Kenwright is some sort of circus ringmaster and Moshiri is a business man who lives in Monaco. FRom the outside few will care how Everton are run. The Directors of Football/Sporting Directors are influential at clubs as you would expect.}

08 Feb 2018 12:15:00
cheers ED02 as much as I love kenwright it seems he is finding it hard to give up his share although he has been here a long time and as a Evertonion it will be a sad day when he steps aside just one more question is it normal for a DOF to be so influential in the hiring of managers and in your view should he be removed from that role and made chief scout as that's the role he excelled in at Leicster.

{Ed002's Note - IBK not giving up his share is not having any impact on the club. It is perfectly normal for a DoF to be very influential. I would doubt he would accept a demotion.}

08 Feb 2018 13:13:26
Maybe Walsh will live by the sword and die by the sword.
If Sam goes in the summer because he hasn't been deemed good enough, Walsh will surely have to shoulder some of the blame, and considering the player recruitment fiasco, surely his role will be untenable and he will have to go too.

08 Feb 2018 16:06:24
If SW as DOF or whatever his official title is, has been the one that has initiated the scouting and recruitment of Klassen, Sandro, Lookman, Vlasic, Keane, Martina and Williams, surely he needs to answer to someone as it appears the last two managers are unable to get acceptable performances from them?

08 Feb 2018 16:17:12
cheers ED02 can't believe what a mess our club is in I appreciate your take on it.

08 Feb 2018 06:18:22
Just read a post on another site, Anthony Condron aged 29, the man murdered in Liverpool last weekend was an Evertonian. His family and friends would like as a show of respect, us fans attending Saturdays game to give a minutes applause at 29 minutes.
This is from an unofficial site but they are looking to spread the word. Let's show are respect on Saturday and show why we as Evertonians never forget our family.

08 Feb 2018 04:06:45
Sorry, I know this is just a silly thought bubble and I am happy for one of the Eds to tell me to pull my head in, could the true reason Du is staying be that Big Sam is on his was out the door?

Posting a bit lately, sorry about that. Work is a little quiet so I am a little bored and frustrated.

{Ed001's Note - no, he just wasn't getting the job at Oxford. They decided against him.}

08 Feb 2018 08:28:14
Thanks Ed, thought that was the case.

{Ed001's Note - I doubt he will get a job outside of the area as a first step to be honest. Who is going to believe he would be as committed as you need to be when they know his missus is never going to want the move? It was a long time ago, but people in football do not forget the quick jump from Villa to go home!}

08 Feb 2018 10:27:37
Ed001: wasn’t it a move back north from West Ham that he wanted (because his wife hadn’t settled in London) and their manager (Harry Redknapp) couldn’t believe it when he went to Aston Villa! Unsy quickly (without ever playing for Villa? ) then moved back to Everton.

{Ed001's Note - yes. He was at Villa for just 4 days if I remember correctly. He only went to Villa because Everton showed no interest prior to him moving. Probably just a miscommunication or an attempt to drive down the price on Everton's part which saw him just take the closest club he could get to home. It really was the most bizarre and surreal set of transfers.}

08 Feb 2018 00:11:17
For a moment, just put tactics, formations, selections, etc., to one side.
Instead, consider how the players have underperformed, how confidence has nosedived, and how the players are not "carrying out instructions".
There is a clearly a lack of effective leadership from above - and players need/ want that direction, especially a genuine trust/ belief (not just meaningless soundbites) in what the manager is doing.
Our players lack mental strength - they have a "loser's mentality" - and Allardyce is the latest Everton manager that hasn't shown the man-management skills to improve that in the players.
I don't think anyone would suggest that David Moyes (for all his faults) - and certainly Howard Kendall (despite his problems just before the successful years) - didn't build team spirit or didn't work at overcoming setbacks. Their players, by and large, all bought into what they were doing. I haven't seen that under Martinez, Koeman or Allardyce.

08 Feb 2018 08:33:27
I agree 100% BobbyC1878. However, Martinez had enough time to change the squad and add his ownplayers in. Koeman also had sufficient years to change the squad round. Both these managers then seem to"lose" the dressing room. When Allergy came in, some fans had a pre-conceived idea of how he would manage. There was talk about "hoof it" football. I believe that was a bit unfair on the bloke. I am not a huge fan and nor do I really think that tag is fair. But I do know that the ink isn't dry on his contract yet. Added to which, he inherited a squad that in my view was crumbling. Koeman had spent a load of money, but created a squad that was unbalanced. ie only onenatural left footed player and missing players in their prime age group. between say 23 to 28. Yes there are some brilliant kids. Yes there are still great players coming to the end of their careers. But the ones Koeman signed within their prime. have just not performed. There have also been lengthy injuries to certain key players who would have made a difference. Bolasie, Coleman and Mori and McCarthy have all been out a long time and McCarthy is out again. We all saw what a difference Coleman made. I guess what I am saying is that I agree with what you say but my view on it is that Allergy inherited something that was already doomed due to many factors and he is trying to turn things round. Unfortunately there seems to be some supporters who just don't want him here. Evertonians are a proud bunch and loyal to the club. However, sometimes I look at what is going on and despair a bit at how impatient they are. How critical of certain people within the club. For years Kenwright was accused of taking money out of the club. That he was doing it for selfish reasons. But anyone who has ever spoken with him and listened to him talk will know like I do that when he bleeds, it is blue blood that comes out. His appointment of Moshiri and the stadium and funding in general show that he just wants what all Evertonians want. I do wonder if our own passion is sometimes so big that it puts added pressure on players rather than helping the situation. My 8 year old Grandson went for the 1st time this season and he was scared by the anger and shouting that some Evertonians were displaying (Arsenal at home) . I remember that same feeling as a kid. The noise of hatred and abuse shouted at players and manager alike can sometimes be overwhelming at Goodison. When we are winning and looking good it is a great atmosphere. But when we look poor and players lose confidence, it is vicious and quite horrible. This is the atmosphere that Allergy has inherited and he has only been here a handful of games. Still has other managers players and has managed to scrape a few wins. but the squad he has is from previous managers and I don't believe there is a manager in the world who would have got that squad to gel and perform in a different way. Reality check is that it is a very poor, unbalanced squad with few players in their prime.

08 Feb 2018 09:15:00
How did Koeman have sufficient years to change the squad around he was only at the club 14 months?

08 Feb 2018 09:38:39
Got to love degsyp calling him Allergy, I'm certainly allergic to the dross he passes off as football.

08 Feb 2018 10:17:24
degsyp: good reply.