Everton Banter Archive April 08 2018

08 Apr 2018 19:52:12
The law of averages states that no one person can be wrong 100% of the time.

Shame that was written before I started posting on here as I seem to be the exception with my posts. Or am I wrong?

08 Apr 2018 20:08:55
A lot of people can see the same thing, yet make their own minds up what they see, some will see it different, some will agree Grumpy, in our own minds we say what we see, I have lost count the number of times I have seen things, but others have a difference of opinions, it does not make one right and the other wrong, what is important is to say what you yourself believe.

I would not worry too much if other people’s views differ, if we all agreed, it would become a very boring site.

We could build one hell of a new stadium, yet some will knock the ground, we could get a player in and as you know, within minutes, you will get, too old, too slow, too small, on his last big pay Day.

Whoever comes in or linked as player or manager, rest assured he will be shot down before he even comes to us

So do not worry too much mate, you keep posting and do not let the knockers get you down.

{Ed025's Note - thats right mate..

08 Apr 2018 20:35:39
Cheers Nev, I needed that mate. ( going through tough times with health lately and find I been venting on here )

08 Apr 2018 20:47:00
Keep your chin up mate we need you on here with you honest views cheers.

08 Apr 2018 20:55:05
As you have an unwavering opinion on Sam which is against the majority of Evertonians. It is going to feel like that. However, it doesn't make you wrong.

There's no right or wrong on here. Just opinions. I think that's what some people forget.

08 Apr 2018 21:04:23
We need to let off steam, things infuriate us with the team/ new stadium, whatever it is some will never be happy, others will think a step forward, swings and roundabouts, but never worry about what you post, get it off your chest, I know it makes me feel better, regardless if others agree or not, it’s your own views that is important to the ongoing debates on this great site, keep your chin up Grumpy and just continue posting what you think.

08 Apr 2018 21:14:29
We all LOVE Everton mate.

08 Apr 2018 21:31:56
I'm right all the time, my opinion is always correct, ( to me lol) same as everyone's else opinion is correct to themselves, just some people take it a little to far in response.
I help manage a kids footy team in Cornwall, but what I see to what the other coach sees when we have a match are to different things, I watch the players and see there passing and weather they move, the other coach looks for players who take players on, I'm critical of greedy players, my point is, when watching players, managers, we all see different things different, doesn't mean that I'm right or wrong same as the next guy.

08 Apr 2018 21:42:28
As you say mate game of opinions.

08 Apr 2018 23:11:13
Grumpy I haven't posted much lately but it wasn't consciously. I'm not just saying it but my view is almost identical to your posts. I 100% get where your coming from with everything you say. I feel your frustration with the way other people disregard things and are fixated on things.

Your posts imho are very good and look at the broad or big picture. Very realistic and practical. Unfortunately a lot people get caught up in the imaginary monopoly game they think the football league is. Good job we are all different I guess.

Sorry to hear about the health. Keep positive. Its 100% of the battle there! If your looking for alternative therapy you could do a lot worse than Reiki if you ever heard of it.

09 Apr 2018 00:34:10
Get better soon Grumpy, not many of us old timers left.

09 Apr 2018 07:11:38
I obviously missed something yesterday. But Grumpy mate, you can see the affection people have for you on here. I think both you and I know we have rattled a few feathers on here a few times. I am genuinely sorry to hear you are suffering at the moment and maybe you should have a little break off here if your emotions are getting the better of you? that's a decision only you can make. I myself have started to do more tongue in cheek stuff. eg the poster who said I had been on the juice. I did reply but the Ed's obviously never saw the funny side. I did a reply which basically said "hic" not me or something similar! You decide what you need to do. but understand that you are indeed very very well respected for your views by most posters on here. Some might disagree. but they are only other people giving their opinions from their perspectives. and their perspectives might be different to ours! Hope you have a great day. DegsyP.

{Ed025's Note - i think we all echo that degsy..

09 Apr 2018 11:59:03
That’s spot on Degsy, no poster should have to worry about their comments, unless it gets personal towards another poster, I can honestly say I enjoy reading yours and Grumpy posts along with other posts, if I read something and have a difference of opinion, I will put my personal view across, that’s not having a go at a poster, but just saying what I feel, we need posters like you and Grumpy on here along with the other posters, the only thing I will say is do not take it personally if someone puts a different view on any comments, they are not having a go at the poster, but at the player/ manager, board member, performance, or whatever.

09 Apr 2018 12:19:58
Chin up Grumpy. Don't let the B's grind you down 🙃.

08 Apr 2018 15:27:31
Hi Ed 025 what's your take on this management merry go round mate re Big Sam, some rags saying today we are interested in Fonesca and also Marco Silva as second choice as our new manager and other papers saying Big Sam is planning on bringing in new players for next season, several of em saying most fans want Big Sam gone and Mr Moshiri will be buying out the remaining part of his £6 million contract, surely the writing is on the wall for Big Sam and he cannot possibly stay as things are, cheers mate.

{Ed025's Note - im not so sure you know GB, i would like either fonseca or silva but sam seems to think he is staying put, hopefully we will know in a few weeks where we stand but at the moment things are up in the air mate..

08 Apr 2018 15:40:57
Thanks Ed.

{Ed025's Note - anytime mate..

08 Apr 2018 15:49:28
Meant to say Ed also with the rumours growing on Marcel Brands joining us that would also seal Big Sams fate.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope so mate..

08 Apr 2018 16:04:38
I'd love Fonseca and I wouldn't mind Silva but I feel if a man can get so easily turned by another clubs interest, would he do the same in a similar position with us. Think I'd rather have Howe.

08 Apr 2018 16:21:04
See where you are coming from mate we just need to get this right eh.

08 Apr 2018 17:56:24
Can you pick a right or a wrong that easily though?
It's like meeting a girl and finding out she doesn't like football, so you ditch her and go and find one who does, only to realise she doesn't like fish and chips. You're f**ked. Do you settle for watching footy with her and going home to eat a Caesar salad? Or go for the holy grail, get rid and find one who likes both?

08 Apr 2018 19:06:49
We can't have a man in charge making plans with only 12 months left on his contract, the fact there is no sign of an extension should highlight the fact he will be relieved of his duties along with his backroom staff and our current DoF in the summer, fingers crossed.

08 Apr 2018 19:40:42
Hope you are right bluegray mate.

09 Apr 2018 04:22:38
Whatever the decision (and I hope it's not Big Sam staying) it needs to made and communicated as soon as possible.
One, so whoever is manager can start assembling the squad he wants before the World Cup and
Two so that we can all stop worrying/ arguing about it and get behind the new guy (I so so hope it's a new guy)
We can't have the delays we had when Koeman left.

09 Apr 2018 10:27:39
Smitt666 keep the girl that dosen't like football and just take her to the old lady every home match very little football being played there at the moment so it shouldn't be a problem. You can always dump her when we the team start playing some decent foot ball but you may well be on your 25th wedding anniversary by then.

08 Apr 2018 14:19:55
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Everton v Liverpool - A Liverpool Perspective

08 Apr 2018 12:09:26
I missed the derby match live because I chose to play golf. I watched the game last night and was glad I played golf. How any supporter can defend this dross is beyond me. We used to be best of the rest, now we are not as good as Burnley. We are only 9th because there are so many poor teams. The gulf between us and the top teams is more massive than it has ever been.
On commentator stated that Everton seemed to lack energy. I would say it is more like lethargy (lack of energy and enthusiasm) . Against the top team we have no game plan apart from booting the ball up field. We lose possession on a regular basis and have very little enthusiasm to get it back. We are constantly overrun in mid-field and our attacking runs are limited to say the least.
Then we have the final 15 minutes. What happens, is a switch all of a sudden turned on? It just shows what we are capable of doing but we have to ask why it is not like that for 90 minutes?
We have a lot to do to get back to even being best of the rest and a new manager is a must and the sooner the better. We need a manager who can motivate the players to replicate the final 15 minutes for the whole game.

08 Apr 2018 13:35:40
So I take it you are not happy with a draw?

They were playing with 12 of the 19 players who beat City 3 - 0. I hate saying this but Liverpool are in free flow at the moment and as such we should be over the moon we got something from the game. Many a team have tried to play attacking football against them only to get hammered and punished on the counter attack.

Against these top sides (and they are a top side) we need to do what we can to stifle their play, if that means it's boring to look at then that's tough. I would be happy taking a point from all of the top teams, I certainly would not say we are rubbish because we did not win.

Be happy we stopped those across the park from doing the double over us, Non of us would of expected a win or a draw during the week, certainly the bookies didn't. They have amongst others slated us all season saying how crap we are yet they can only manage a draw. let's all shout at them about that instead of saying we are so bad we only got a draw against Liverpool.

08 Apr 2018 13:37:35
I agree with you Mike except we have a game plan. It's don't lose


We used the same plan against West Brom and made them look good. We used it against Arsenal, Man UTD and Man City and got stuffed. We used it at Burnley. We use it every game because that's all Sam knows.

I think we (our players) go into every game with the least expectations of any other Premier club. It's 10 men behind the ball, get one chance if we are lucky and god help the player if he misses it because they will be Sam's scapegoat at the final whistle.

08 Apr 2018 13:49:26
good post Mike Sam in his press conference the day before said his tactics will be to stop Liverpool scoring and it's terrible to watch I can't wait for the season to end so we can release Sam and get a manager in who knows how to play football let's hope we have learnt from our mistakes.

08 Apr 2018 14:15:30
Sorry Grumpy, just can't agree with you. Our football was terrible for 75 minutes, just not good enough. We need to be entertained and we were not. If you are happy with this dross good for you but I am not.

08 Apr 2018 14:28:32
We cannot be accepting mediocrity. A draw at home against our neighbours is never good enough.
If they had fielded a full strength squad and played us off the park for 90 minutes then some people may have an argument for accepting a draw.
We will not have a better opportunity to beat them for quite a while I suspect and we should have taken it.

08 Apr 2018 14:37:32
Right now there is no joy in watching Everton. I might just might be able to swallow that. It's the fact that there is precious little prospect of joy that depresses me.

08 Apr 2018 15:00:45
Sometimes Mike we have to do what is best with the tools we have. Now in this case regardless of how pretty it looked we did better than any of us could of wished for.

What the last 15 minutes does actually hi-lite is that our players are capable of turning it on when it suits them, why is that? They were dross with RK, DU, SA. If the players have decided it is them that hold the power and we are willing to accept that, then as a club we are doomed mate, simple as that. Did SA do anything to make those players suddenly start performing and playing like they should do in every game? No, the players themselves decided to do it. They played the exact same tactics as given to them, they just decided to up the tempo.

08 Apr 2018 16:09:29
Actually Sam made some substitutions that affected the game. He brought on the younger enthusiastic and faster kids. It very nearly paid off. I am not sure if they were on for the whole game whether we would have been able to play the whole game in that manner? I am not a professional manager like the rest of our supporters. (sarcasm lads) . laugh!

08 Apr 2018 16:10:59
What it shows is the players will not play for this manager. Of course players have the power over the manager, this is not a new phenomena.
When the game started paying the players more than the managers, that is when the players started to have the control. Like it or not it is the way it is now. They will get a manager sacked without even blinking if they don't believe in him.
Maybe they are just sick of being called out in interviews, playing defensive rubbish, embarrassed by the amount of possesion they have in matches. Sick of making excuses for the lack of chances they have because of the tactics, and have downed tools. Who knows. But I surely would be.

08 Apr 2018 16:34:37
The change happened when DCL came on and Yannick came off. He put a few good tackles in and made the left side for us better with the ball.

Grumpy there is no excuse for Sam's tactics. It's not based on 20 odd games with us. He's always had teams play like this. It's also fine for him to prefer playing like that. However, for us that is not what I want or expect. Why don't you want Everton to play better football and why can't you understand why we do?

08 Apr 2018 16:42:07
The problem with it Smit mate is when the players have 3 managers sacked then something is wrong. It looks certain SA will be the third, Not all 3 managers were the same in interviews, in fact I would say they were all different from each other. I'm just a little worried that these players may not like the next one we get or the one after.
If this had only happened with our present manager then I would have no choice but to agree that it is 100% the manager. Nobody will agree with that as people see that as supporting SA but I am only saying it as I see it.

players not playing well for a manager = Fault of manager.
Players not playing well for 3 managers = Something very wrong.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that grumpy..

08 Apr 2018 17:06:15
I just can't agree. Who picks the players to sign? (OK maybe with Walsh) . Who trains the players? Who picks the team? Who dictates the strategy. Are you telling me that if Pip was manager he would end up being fired?

08 Apr 2018 17:20:29
I don't actually recall EVER saying I do not want Everton to play better football BJU. Would you be so kind as to show me where I have as I must be doing it in my sleep. I'm at the doctors this week so I will mention it to him.

08 Apr 2018 17:27:49
Hope the Doctor gives you a clean bill of health Grumpy.

08 Apr 2018 17:33:25
My assumption Grumpy is in the fact you seem steadfast in supporting Sam and the football we are producing. Additionally, you've now become expectant in not even getting a draw against our neighbours and yet want to defend the football that produces those results.

If I was you I'd forget the doctors and think about a trip to the opticians!

08 Apr 2018 18:13:38
I missed the game BlueMike because at the last minute I had no choice. You chose to miss the game to play Golf. Your choice.

08 Apr 2018 18:29:06
The players didn't down tools for Koeman. He just introduced too many out of position and not up to speed players. The only players which have downed tools for most of the season are schneids and possibly Williams.

08 Apr 2018 18:38:21
I'd agree with that Smit. Add to the fact our confidence had taken a knock due to the fixtures earlier in the season.

08 Apr 2018 06:26:25
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Sunday 8th April 2018