Everton Banter Archive March 07 2016

 

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07 Mar 2016 22:22:33
Who watched the u21 game?

For me Rodriguez looks a decent player. He reminds me of Mirallas a little bit and should definitely get a look in before the end of the season.

Mattioni looks quite good aswell, if he can stay fit we might aswell give him some games. He wipped a few good crosses in which Seamus seems to struggle with and he passes with pace.

Who stood out for you guys?

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07 Mar 2016 22:30:22
Agree with Rodriguez also thought young Pennington looked good.

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07 Mar 2016 22:59:19
charsley Dowell Davies duffus and Jones mattoni looked poor to me out position a lot give ball away looked better when he was off.

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08 Mar 2016 02:59:44
I agree that some of our players looked OK, but it was a match against U21 opposition and I didn't see anything that made me think "we must get that player in the first team ahead of any current player". Even Galloway - who was very good earlier in the season - isn't (at the moment at least) a better alternative to Baines or Oviedo.
I accept the argument that we'll never know for sure until a youngster is given a runout in the first team, but the gulf between U21 and Premier League is massive.
I also accept that some of our youngsters have done well on loan, but that's been at. lower-tier clubs and the gulf between that level and the Premier League is also massive.
Bottom line for me: we have some promising players that have the potential to become first-team/ squad players, but imho their development still has some way to go. I trust Unsworth, Royle, etc., to carefully manage the development process and hopefully we will get one or two players that'll make it at Everton.
We should remember that for every Barkley, Rooney, Osman or Hibbert that do come through the ranks and eventually play a lot of first-team games, there are dozens who don't make it in the Premier League. I hope I'm wrong and our future first-team is mainly players who've come through our own U18/ U21 system, but history tends to say that isn't the usual case.
I will say that the spirit in the U21 players tonight was excellent and they played some nice stuff. They never gave up and were unlucky not to get someth9ng from the game.

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08 Mar 2016 07:56:25
I agree but sometimes u can tell who going to be special player and lot them in squad only 17 18 were as Sunderland were 20 22 and had Larson tovien playing.

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07 Mar 2016 21:59:18
Our new owner has already started getting the fans on his side with the ticket price reduction. Now he has to take the next step. Pay Martinez off, and bring in a top name manager. One that will attract top players, and will build a solid defence and core. I think as supporters we have got use to sausage and mash, when we should be eating steak and chips. Mr Moshi strikes me as the type of person who likes his steak.

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07 Mar 2016 21:41:53
What do people think about bringing Rooney back to the club if Rom leaves in the summer?
Would be a good way to start off a new era at the club and I think most fans would be satisfied with that as a marquee signing.

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07 Mar 2016 21:47:50
I for one don't want him it's going backwards.

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07 Mar 2016 23:04:05
That ship has sailed I'm afraid and don't think it's the answer we must build a young squad in this day and age. Shame really as my son has a framed signed Rooney shirt (EFC) and would only boost it's price up lol, kidding wouldn't sell it for the world.

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07 Mar 2016 21:08:28

There's been a new poll set up HERE asking:

Is it time for Martinez to be sacked?

To vote just click on THIS LINK or copy and paste the URL:

www.evertonrumours.co.uk/poll419.html

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07 Mar 2016 20:54:00
The anti Martinez feeling has certainly gone up several notches since the substitution masterclass at the weekend. The bookies still have him about 25/ 1 to be the next to go, a falsely high price as McLaren looks a dead man walking.
This Saturday will be pivotal. Going in our manager's favour is that he has most players fit and well rested with the benefit of some nice winter sunshine on their backs and all week to prepare with no travelling.
Our opponents on the other hand have a nice easy midweek game against PSG and a few key injuries. Rolling into town though another tactically astute manager.
I'm sure Mr Moshiri will be watching with great interest.

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07 Mar 2016 21:15:59
I said before last Saturday Chelsea will be hard beat. They are improving and climbing the table slowly but very surely. Last Saturday will not help us.

I'll obviously be delighted if we win but I'm not as confident as I was before the West Ham game.

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{Ed025's Note - we will beat them NBTB..im convinced of it mate..

07 Mar 2016 21:49:50
We will beat them if RM doesn't make any subs 😃.

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07 Mar 2016 20:42:06
A message to the new Everton board and majority shareholder Mr Moshiri;
"Dear Mr Moshiri, welcome to our great club Everton fc. please can you do all the Everton fans a massive favour by replacing our clueless manager with someone who is capable and well able to achieve the success that your newly invested money and talent already within the squad should be achieving. please install him in time for the new season!
Many thanks once again
Regards
All Everton fans".

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08 Mar 2016 10:56:34
Hopefully Soli if these messages are relayed to him and mine re should I renew my season ticket then action will be taken . I have always suported him but the man is a fraud.

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07 Mar 2016 20:39:02
everton under 21 are on bt if anyone interested 2 1 down mattoni worst player on pitch but davies charsley and dowell look classs.

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07 Mar 2016 18:59:03
How many people on this site want Roberto to stay next year

What point do you then say enough, when we are bottom 3.

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07 Mar 2016 19:04:39
We are full on relegation form. I can't understand a manager taking us backwards and people want to give him money and more time. He has had more money than any other of our managers.

He done same at Wigan, we are a laughing stock with the best team we had in years.

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07 Mar 2016 19:08:16
I really think Saturday's game has cost RM support from his most loyal followers.
You can kid some of the people some of the time.

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07 Mar 2016 19:09:58
I defo don't want him now never mind next season not good enough for the blues really hope our invester will look at this and replace him mariniho for me.

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07 Mar 2016 19:31:00
I would go for frank de boer give him the rest of season to asses team.

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07 Mar 2016 20:15:18
That vould be a good shout pb78.

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{Ed025's Note - well, better than..moyes da bore..who was suggested by someone last week..

07 Mar 2016 20:56:01
Any chance of a poll Ed025? Martinez to stay or go?

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{Ed025's Note - i think we have had that one NBTB...but i will get it put up again mate..

07 Mar 2016 21:17:09
Interesting to compare the two. Don't think it will go in Martinez favour.

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07 Mar 2016 18:56:58
It's all about managing your team. Rm got the two goal lead, tired legs and he takes off a winger puts a striker on. That is his fault. At 2-2 he take lakaku off and puts Barry on. He should of put Barry on for Lennon. That's why it's his fault. Ferguson in his last year won the league with a very average team, but it was down to his management. If rm put Barry on then I don't think we would be having this conversation.

Simple as this 2-0 with 10 men and 15 mins to go, close shop not try for more goals with a player who is no where near match fit.

That's his management. No one else.

Everyone else in the country would shut shop, Mark Hughes, tony pulis.

It's not hard but Roberto don't seem to grasp what state of affairs he has us in.

Moyes lost 8 games at home in his last 3 years. Rm has lost 7 up to now this season.

We should be third with the point we dropped possibly top, this is fact.

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07 Mar 2016 18:53:15
Many very good posts from knowledgeable posters on about RM'S tactical awareness (or lack of it) .
Surely however the most glaring issue is our total inability to defend crosses into the box.
When a West Ham player openly admits their major tactic was to lump the ball in there due to video evidence which shows a terrible weakness on our part.
Added to this our Goalkeeping Coach teaching our keepers to stand rooted to the line and hope!
I fear for us every time an opposing winger looks up to pick out one of his forwards.
It's not rocket science but most disturbingly its not a new problem, it's been like this since RM arrived.

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07 Mar 2016 18:10:49
I was at the game Saturday. Luckily I was in row R in lower Bullens so I didn't see anything that happened on the pitch.

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07 Mar 2016 16:16:48
If Arsenal Wenger cannot be recruited, then think Bilic would be a good replacement for Martinez. He's doing excellent work at West Ham, but being an ex Everton player maybe would be tempted.

Last year I thought Steve McClaren would be a good choice, but obviously no further comment needed.

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07 Mar 2016 16:54:53
Bilic is also ex West Ham, clubs moving to a new ground and should be in Europe s forget that one, Wenger no thanks Arse fans want shot of him.

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07 Mar 2016 17:05:25
If we manage to keep our players I would prefer getting a more renowned manager and offer the money to get him.

We have a very good squad of players with only a couple of big game players really needed. I honestly think a manager is more important to us that actual players.

For me I would like to see Frank De Boar or even try for Mancini who I think would come back to the EPL. I think the players would also stay with a name like this.

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07 Mar 2016 14:56:30
I totally appreciate the fans feeling on RM. I am also in the box of wanting a new manager.

However, on Saturday you cannot blame him for what happened. Kev, Rom and Mori let their team mates down with a poor performances.

1-0 up when Kev gets sent off. The chance to make it 3-0 and kill the game off with a penalty only to do this stupid step over to make the keeper dive and then hit it in the direction of the diving keeper.

Finally, Mori lost his usual composure and ability to jump for a ball.

Criticism is fine but don't dilute it in directing it at the wrong time. RMs tactics should have seen us 3-0 up and winning the match it was the players that let us down.

However, I can't back RM for the rest of this seasons disappointments. He's had not just this season to sort defensive frailty's but last year as well. It's time for a change and he can't do it tactically then we must do it managerially.

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07 Mar 2016 15:28:05
Dont know mate, 2-0 up with 12 minutes to go and only 10 men on the pitch, play defensively if you ask me, I know Kev got sent off and Rom missed a pen but buck stops with RM, he treid to push for more goals when we could have simply shut up shop.

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07 Mar 2016 15:54:02
The one thing that Martinez doesn't have a clue about is game management. He knows how to put out a team to beat the opposition but can't for the life of him manage what happens real time.

Bilic would've told his team to be patient up to 80 mins when we run out of puff. Our 3 subs should've come on at 65 and two at 70 for fresh legs to see the game out.

Once you have a team that's 2-0 up you must back them to defend. He doesn't and we suffer.

We will never win anything under his football philosophy.

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07 Mar 2016 16:54:50
You can't say in the same breath "I know Kev got sent off and Rom missed a pen" then say the buck stops at RM.

RM has plenty of blame in our performances over the past two years and I am all for seeing a new manager but game management has to come from the players. They're not kids and never played football before. There are leaders on that pitch and they know what to do.

Remember RM didn't tell Kev to go flying into a tackle when on a yellow card and he didn't tell Rom to pass his penalty to the goalkeeper.

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07 Mar 2016 17:12:00
I have to say the change to a 3-4-3 with wing backs was a refreshing change and worked for a while, he was compounded by the sending off so had to change at half time and Besic came on and I'm sure most of us would be happy with that.
at 2-0 up and 12 to go is the time to sure up the back not bring on strikers then when its to late another defensive midfielder. RM needs to read and adjust earlier, its not all gung Ho and you score 3 we'll score 4, its knowing how to read the situation at the right time and react to it.

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07 Mar 2016 14:09:26
Statement.
i don't wabt to rock the boat, walk outs etc as we are Everton and above that but unless someone from one site or as a group instigate at the very least a statement re the severe anger and despondency we all bar a very few feel then the board will either not know or not be forced to act.
RM may have many qualities but a manager is not one of them, just study the difference between him and Bilic on Sat, he does not even instill confidence by his posture while Bilic is gesticulating and making clever subs .
HOW DO WE GET OUR VOICES HEARD .
Someone said earlier nobody even SP News has a bad word tol say about him .
Perhaps they think our now AVERAGE club is about right for RM.

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{Ed025's Note - the club look at websites like this and others to gauge reactions trebor so they do know how fans feel, now whether they do something about it is another matter mate..

07 Mar 2016 14:22:11
Thanks for the very quick response ed and nice that they do view these sites, let's hope the fans feelings are so strong we see some action.

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{Ed025's Note - that i cant promise mate, we just need to see the season out now and hope for some good fortune in the cup..

07 Mar 2016 14:39:09
As I've stated on a few posts Treb, our new investor does not become a Billionaire (love saying that) by suffering fools mate, i'm pretty sure that he will have a big say in the summer, there are gems out there to be had, look at Poccetino at Spurs, now who had ever heard of this guy before he joined Saints, looks like he is at Chelski next season too now.

There are gems out there and we just need to unearth one because Roberto Martinez is certainly not one, maybe in 5 years when he learns a bit more but with our current squad we should not have to wait until it sinks in, I posted last week that I would like to see him given until Xmas but i'm taking that back now, I give up with him now, want rid right now like so many Blues.

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07 Mar 2016 15:03:23
I don't really see what a statement would achieve. As ed says, there will be people at the club aware of the unrest on different forums so they have an idea. And don't forget that there are plenty who believe he should be given more time, they post on forums too.
Personally, I believe there is little to be achieved by getting rid of him before the end of the season. It sounds a bit strange but the man will continue to slit his own throat until May, leaving the board with little option. By then he should have convinced even his most ardent of supporters that he isn't up to the job. If we finish in the bottom half of the table I can't see the club sticking with him, the new investor hasn't invested in mediocrity. Sadly, mediocrity is all we are getting with RM. If anything, we have gone backwards under his tenure. This despite having a talented squad at his disposal, we are definitely underachieving. Maybe BK and the others would have continued to turn a blind eye but I'm not so sure the new fella with settle for it after spending a fair whack on us.

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07 Mar 2016 18:49:23
Rm needs to go. It's simple to many games lost and drawn. We have now become relegation material. From top 6 to this.

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07 Mar 2016 12:29:25
Is it me or has the introduction of Stones resulted in us conceding silly goals again and therefore another loss?

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07 Mar 2016 12:36:48
What are you talking about? Stones was took off not only before we conceded against West Ham but before we went 2 - 0.

He's still getting blamed. Maybe I'm missing something.

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07 Mar 2016 13:24:58
Its easy to blame someone NBTB, no wonder the lad wants out, not long ago Lukaku was getting slated too, oh yeh and Ross, McCarthy, Barry and Coleman, we get beat let's blame it on anyone.

Martinez is to blame for that, Norwich, Bournemouth and more, can't be arsed using brain to think of the others, 2-0 up with 10 men and 15 minutes to go, let's hold on to that lead, not go for more, i'm writing this season off completely as don't exactly hold out much hope in the FA cup

Roll on the summer when our new investor has his say.

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07 Mar 2016 20:42:14
Good post Murf1000. Totally agree.

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07 Mar 2016 11:11:49
1 we wanted Joel in goal we got it
2 we wanted mirallas we got it
3 we wanted niasse in we got it
4 we wanted support for lukaku up front we got it
5 we wanted basic in we got it
6 we wanted Lenton on the wing and we got it
And we still get beat maybe are players are not as good as we think or is it all down to are manager.

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07 Mar 2016 11:44:27
Or maybe RM and the staff who see these players day in day out in training actually know a bit more than us about what they're doing?

Maybe there's a reason why we haven't played with those 6 points before (Besic injury, Niasse only been here training for a month after a long winter break) ?

Maybe as fans we don't know everything and sometimes we have to trust the manager?

Yes his subs continue to confuse us, and yes defensively we're still shaky, but Saturday showed why he hasn't trusted Mirallas this season, and (although not at fault for any of the goals) having Joel or Howard in goal leads to the same outcome of leaking goals if the rest of the team aren't organised enough.

I'm as disappointed with Saturday as anyone else and think it's another sign that RM hasn't instilled the organised 'shut up shop' mentality that we needed to show rather than any of the points above.

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07 Mar 2016 13:16:40
Good post skylark. All them things the fans wanted and all were done by Martinez yet Martinez gets slated for it.

I'm obviously not happy with the way things are going. That's the first game Joel let in a few goals. Imo Joel is doing very well anytime he played this season and I can't remember any of the goals on Sat being his fault.

He has done better than Howard has done all season in his latest run of games.

It has to be down to mentality and what is practiced at training. We have lost far too many points from a winning or drawing position this season for it all to be down to bad luck or bad refereeing.

No doubt southern_toffee Martinez knows more about managing than the supporters that's why he has the job. That doesn't mean he knows everything either. There's managers out there I wouldn't trust.

Martinez is our manager till the end of the season. Imo he will be the manager at the start of next season. If there is no improvement before December I'd expect he will be let go.

That's not my own preference but what I think will happen.

I am constantly hoping we improve and expecting us to put in a good run of games. I'm starting to think I'm kidding myself. Not because we haven't the players.

Some people are questioning if we are over estimating the team or squad. I honestly don't believe we are. I think I'm kidding myself that we are going to go on a good run because of Martinez.

I'm starting to think I'm filling myself with hope and expectation and it will never happen because of one solidarity flaw with Martinez. It is leaking goals. His track record indicates nothing other than he consistently leaks goals. Wigan have broken records in the premiership for leaking goals.

If I'm not mistaken the team that conceded the most goals and didn't get relegated was Wigan. That is in the history of the premier league. The following season they got relegated with Martinez at the helm. I don't know what that tells you but it tells me Martinez is stubborn and insistent on playing the way he thinks is right.

It certainly wasn't right for Wigan. He hasn't changed his game in this aspect, defence, since at Everton and there is no sign of him doing so. That's why I'm starting to think I'm fooling myself that we can go anywhere with this manager.

I seemed to of gone against the majority of fans over Martinez's tenure at Everton. When he was appointed I didn't like it and wasn't happy with him as our new manager.

First season we obviously done very well but I told people who were praising him to wait till the second season to get a true reading of his management. We all know what happened that season. I didn't slate him for how the season went as it was unusual for us. In Europe and loosing a great defender in Distin.

I decided to say at the end of his third season we'll have to know where we stand with Martinez. Our first 10 matches this season we done very well considering our opposition. I was in my element at the time thinking we would do well against 'lesser' opposition after that.

When we didn't I was ripping and Ed025 calmed me down here and said we'll see how things go. Since that I was fair with anything I said about Martinez but now I'm 99% convinced he needs to go. I said I wouldn't comment till end of season but with 10 games to go I'm pretty sure he needs to go.

For the simple reason as I said the defence. Can't see how we will all of a sudden start letting in very few goals like we did in Martinez first season. We all know that was the previous managers defence who were carrying over his work.

Sorry for the long comment I try to be as fair and honest as I can which takes me awhile to get across.

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07 Mar 2016 13:54:23
Good post NBTB - very fair and not much I can argue with there.

Perhaps my post came across as a bit more pro-RM than was intended. My point I was trying to make was that there are a lot of things you can criticise RM for. What we shouldn't do is blame him for doing something that the fans have been pushing for all season.

I'm in the same boat as you in that I desperately want us to succeed under Martinez and I am probably one of his biggest supporters on here. But I agree that the time for waiting around and giving him the benefit of the doubt is almost up.

However, I would say that we need to be careful what we wish for. We should only get rid if there is someone who can come in and improve us, we are not like other clubs and I don't want to see us sacking for the sake of it.

One man would be a perfect for me: Frank de Boer.

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07 Mar 2016 20:54:23
Your post didn't come across too pro-Martinez. I totally agree Martinez shouldn't get the blame for doing what the fans want.

I do/ did want us to succeed under Martinez. With no allegiance to him but more to Everton. No matter who is manager I want Everton to succeed. Even if my worst enemy was manager I want us to win.

I like the way we do not change our manager whenever takes fancy and its only right to give a manager a proper chance and time. It looks to be running out for Martinez. In fairness if he does go soon he left a good squad behind him.

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07 Mar 2016 11:06:43
ssn are always running polls on who could be the next manager for the sack,garde,mclaren,lvg,wenger even jose got the push so how cum matinez never gets a mention,a club of our size with the squad we have underachieving again surly he merrits a mention but it looks like they are blind to it. except us.

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07 Mar 2016 06:51:54
now on the team over all, sats game was another indication that everton players aren't mentally up to seen out games even with ten men the crumble and panick all season this has happened, I wasn't expecting much from sat game as west ham are a very good team, for 35mins we were the better team then came the sending off then half time rally, second half we go two up from the brilliant lennon what a player he has been but what duz Martinez do sub him best and hardest working player on the pitch just as in west brom game Martinez stubborn as ever makes the same mistake bang west ham score 78th min we crumble this all stems from the managers attitude and back room staff why the players are so week mentally imagine if lukaku wasn't there we would playing these games with the same weak minds and no way avoiding the inevitable, plus all season we have been losing players to the same hamstring injury's at key time now that's down to the training methods and we ain't learning from them again in my opinion there has to be drastic changes in the summer surely kenwright feels the same as us he made the right call on walter smith he was close to him and am sure he will come the summer, I didn't mention pen because even the worlds best players miss them and I genuine believe it would of ended 3-3 even if we went 3-0 up we need a strong tactical manager who will take this club by the scruff of the neck and make them feared in the prem, plus let's face it only reason robles is in goal is because of fan pressure, plus sat proves its the manager and the back room staff were the faults lie.

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07 Mar 2016 06:30:29
why are supporters still backing mirallas he's a liability if he's not injured he's not playing well if he's not playing well he's getting sent off, sat game was final straw for me the man brings nothing to the team at all he plays a couple of good games been saying for last few months his attitude stinks and commitment to the team shocking, supporters on he been screaming for him to be played and that's what he brings to the team no pro footballer should make that kind of challenge when on a yellow card, he was a key factor in us losing that game sat and in my opinion he should never be played in first team again.

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07 Mar 2016 00:37:21
If (and it's a big "if" at the moment in many fans' eyes) RM stays, he seems set on the 3-4-3 formation.
It means he gets Stones in the team as well as Jagielka and Funes Mori.
It also explains why he's recruited so many young centre-backs (like Holgate and Foulds) .
Players like Galloway and Browning (and even Garbutt) could probably be better suited to centre-back than full-back.
It's also suited to Coleman, Baines and Oviedo as wing-backs in a midfield four rather than as traditional fullbacks.
Not sure if it's suited to Barkley, but Besic and McCarthy could thrive in the central engine-room of the midfield four.
Our youngsters - Ledson, Walsh, etc. - will have to do well to vie for a place in our squad let alone the actual team.
It makes it imperative that the front three - be it the centre forward or the wingers - are regular scorers (thank goodness for Lukaku! ) and work hard for the team. NIasse is still settling in.
Lennon, Deulofeu - even Mirallas if he gets his head right - can do the jobs out wide and still contribute goals and still help defend as a team.
Youngsters like Dowell (maybe McAleny) look like they could do the job eventually.
There's no room for passengers in a 3-4-3 formation. It also necessitates a strong squad with quality players to cover for rotation, etc., in every position.
Playing 3-4-3 might work, but ONLY if we can do the basics (defending primarily) right and then let the creative attacking talent shine through.
Bottom line: do we trust that RM can get it to work or has he shown himself fatally flawed in his football philosophy?

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06 Mar 2016 23:46:55
A reminder that there are still open polls on this website regarding RM's position as Everton manager. It'll be interesting to see how the voting changes since they were started at the end of last year.

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06 Mar 2016 23:23:33
What are the most important things for a manager?
1. Results - winning matches.
2. Trophies - or at least genuinely competing.
3. Recruitment and player development.
4. Relationship with the fans.
5. Style of football played.
6. Again and again it's results - winning matches.

For RM, he's good on number 3 and OK attacking-wise on number 5, but he's failing on the other points.

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