Everton Banter Archive June 07 2016

 

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07 Jun 2016 22:23:37
Hope stones and Barkley go regeneration at the club.

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07 Jun 2016 23:09:38
Totally disagree. Where would we get players with better potential at their age? Chances are between slim and none.

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07 Jun 2016 23:14:11
Sorry fella but that's got to be the worst comment I've ever seen on this site! They are the future and we will regret losing them if they go.

I admit didn't have great times under RM but how many times were they played out of position or told to play I ways that didn't feel natural to them.

Personally I think you will see two new men after the euros and with some decent coaching next season.

You can prob tell I'm a big fan of both.

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08 Jun 2016 00:05:26
What a load of rubbish they have been Mis coached and Martinez wrapped them up in cotton wall he kept praising them instead of working on parts of there game that needed improving ie telling stones to carry on playing out of trouble when the risk is to high needless passing at the back which always got us into trouble, and Barkley I've never seen him make as many sideway passes as he has made over last 6 months, he needs to be running at people.
But getting rid of them is silly they will bit turn out to be top class players where ever they go, this squad needs discipline it's been bad for a long time and I always look back to when we had the penalty issue where mirallas took ball from Baines, Martinez needed to nip it the bud there and then and said Baines takes pen then Lukaku 2nd but he didn't he defended the situation and said there was no problem, Baines is one of the best penalty takers we have had and still is as proved last game.

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08 Jun 2016 01:21:16
John Stones will, almost certainley, become a great player, in 3-5 years, but 40 to 45 mill gives us the option to go out and buy the finish artical, and, givern it's never a good idea to keep an unhappy, if he puts in a transfer requst, puting him out their for 50 mill would seem the best option.

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08 Jun 2016 09:12:02
I have said it before. the only English defender I have seen comfortable on the ball like Stones and at his age was Bobby Moore. There have been a couple similar, but Stones to me is up there. He will develop into one of the worlds greats. He is 21 years old. Potentially another 12 years at the top. That is why Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc are all courting him. So to suggest get rid? I am not even going to say what my valuation to Everton would be.

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08 Jun 2016 07:08:18
Speechless.

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07 Jun 2016 21:40:28
I hope this koeman thing works I couldn't take another 2 years like the last it would finish me off but for some reason that I can't put my finger on I'm just not to sure about the whole thing I don't know why maybe it's just me hope i'm wrong.

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{Ed033's Note - koeman is not a 'thing'

07 Jun 2016 22:10:26
Figure of speech when we where aloud to say such things.

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{Ed033's Note - i don't think it's allowed to say 'aloud' next to the word, 'where'.

08 Jun 2016 06:28:35
Speeding and grammar police are on 😂😂😂.

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07 Jun 2016 22:52:50
Just like my Dad Ed033. Strict on being grammatically correct.

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08 Jun 2016 06:28:37
😂😂 give you that one EDS.

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07 Jun 2016 21:17:01
As somebody who predicted doom on Martinez appointment, can I say 'Yes, get in, ' on this one!

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{Ed025's Note - you just have mushy mate..

07 Jun 2016 21:47:51
It is in the past now Mushy but I too predicted doom, could not believe it when Bill offered him a new contract on the basis of his first season blip. To nice a man is our Bill in my opinion needed to bring his business head into Everton football Club but his love for Everton got in the way of logic I am afraid.

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{Ed025's Note - even though his heart ruled his head at times BCT he certainly seems to have put us on the right road with moshiri mate..

07 Jun 2016 22:24:55
Yes Martinez was one wrong decision among a lot of right ones.

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07 Jun 2016 20:44:14
Anyone interested in joining in the Euro '16 correct score comp, the group game fixtures are now up on

Euro 16 Competition

simply log in as usual - scores have to be in by midnight thursday and the comp will be updated on 22nd June after the group games have finished leaving 2 days for you to put your next scores in.

Good luck everyone

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07 Jun 2016 19:26:13
Can I claim to be the best ITK on here now after saying it will be koeman all along?

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07 Jun 2016 21:32:59
Ok kidda. Tell us what else you know?

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{Ed025's Note - i heard that ED002 asks kidda for information NBTB.. :)

07 Jun 2016 21:59:34
Love it ED.

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07 Jun 2016 22:09:25
Nothing lol, I was told by David Reeves weeks ago, and ed2 is the oracle of football ha.

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07 Jun 2016 22:27:01
You've blown Ed002's cover Ed025. He'll be full of cheerful comments now 😂

Kidda not making fun of ya just having the banter mate.

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07 Jun 2016 18:36:42
Deal done now me and my mates would like 2 see mochi next then players cd needed a midfield general and a striker or 2 make rom fight 4 his place if he stays prob not owell his loss the futures bright the futures blue once a bl
Ue always a blue.

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07 Jun 2016 17:37:52
All this has been worth it now boys, ohh everton, we love everton ohh everton we love everton. boooom. etid. avvvvbiiiiittt. few signings and i think a nice little wager for the cups for moi. oh £30 bullets for us on crimbo day.

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07 Jun 2016 17:17:38
Fascinated to hear this guy speak in his first press conference, I think it will be a vital indication as to the man we have employed and the vision of our club. I'm not getting involved with the big club small club conversation as I believe in the here and now, which makes this in my opinion an odd decision for a guy who clearly stated he wasn't going anywhere. Personally money is obviously a factor both in his personal decision and in life in general but a vision must have been given to this guy.
I hear he would do anything for the Barcelona job but I think that must be nonsense, nobody living in the real world, especially in football would put all their eggs in one basket.
He is not my first choice, think he has been a mixed bag as a manager but living in the present he is as good as anyone (maybe outside of Emery) we could have realistically got.
The thing that excites me is that a fairly passive man has put himself in a very spotlight situation by joining us and the thing that excites me the most is why. For everyone going on about Moshiri, he is w step up from Kenwright in terms of finance but he is a mid table investor in terms of other clubs so for me there has to be more coming. This must be the Usmanov factor. This could be the return of the Mersey Millionaires.

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07 Jun 2016 17:41:28
I'm gutted we didn't pull out all the stops for Mark Hughes tbh haha no in all seriousness he done well at Saints built on and bettered what Pochetino did. He is coming to us at a time when we need stabilising and back competing top 6 and then look towards top 4.

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{Ed025's Note - lets hope so gray..

07 Jun 2016 18:22:56
Not sure why everyone is going on about the Usmanov factor Svenny. The only thing Usmanov would do is purchase shares off existing shareholders. As far as I am aware Moshiri has not put any of his own money into Everton apart from purchasing shares from Board members. As far as I am aware the plan for Everton is for it to become a profitable business on its own without the need for funding by the likes of Moshiri or Usmanov. I believe what Moshiri brings to the table is good business practices and that is the thing that will make Everton great again not putting money in to be wasted on money grabbing players who don't live up to expectations. Moshiri is doing the right thing in firstly bringing in a good manager and hopefully a Director of Football.

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07 Jun 2016 19:05:57
BlueMike, the reality is what you havd said, that's all Moshiri can bring to the table in football terms. A quarter of his wealth would be 500 mill. As a club we break even or go a couple of mill either side. That's not going to be the influx of cash people think we will be getting and therefore the success they think will follow.
Usmanov is Ambromovich levels. Before you say financial fair play, City have shown how to avoid that and also with no Uefa competitions the sanctions would be irrelevant.
I really want Evertonians to understand a guy with 2 billion does not make us a rich club. He's the 8th wealthiest investor in the league to put things in perspective.
The 100 mill be shouted about is pretty much what every club has, Burnley reckon they will be spending 60 and they were in the championship.
Koeman is a coup, no doubt, regardless of my opinion. I hope he is shrewd and sensible with his spending just like he was at Southampton and just why in my opinion he was hired.
My plea is to lower expectations just a little. Don't get too carried away. A good summer would be keeping what we have, adding a keeper and a striker, end of.

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07 Jun 2016 20:42:14
We were consistent top 7 top 8 under Moyes and the last two seasons our previous Manager not only took us backwards but in the process destroyed the players confidence. With Koeman we now have a tough man who can instill the confidence and get back consistency into the Squad, I also believe (as others have said) that Mr Moshri and his advisors also assured him (Koeman) we are not a selling Club and will give him the support he needs to drive us forward and back where we belong.

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07 Jun 2016 21:21:23
I think the only way we might see anything of Usmanov is if Stan the man decides to buy out everyone, if it's true he now has that option.

Moshiri has done ok, bought nearly 50% of everton for less than half he sold his 15% of arsenal shares for. Looks like Bill has found us a good owner who wants to build everton football club into a good we'll run business. Moshiri obviously liked the idea of building his own legacy than sitting in the wings at arsenal.

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{Ed025's Note - i think your right there mate..

07 Jun 2016 21:48:31
Can't help thinking some people would rather we didn't get investment! I thoroughly agree not to get carried away but I wouldn't make little of Moshiri either.

Its exactly what we need at this time and is exactly what we need to be competitive. I'm not thinking we are going to be selling money willy nilly.

BUT a new stadium, investment in the team and what looks like a pretty good manager will do me.

The club certainly looks in a better position now with this takeover. The thing that makes me happiest about the whole thing is trying to make the club more sustainable in the long term. By making it self sufficient.

Plenty of clubs failed by a big injection of money all of a sudden and then couldn't sustain it. Namely Leeds and more recently Aston Villa. 2 clubs with big history and considered big clubs until their downfall.

Shrewd accounting and management is needed to keep the club progressing. Imho Moshiri has shown every sign that this is the type of action that will be taken over the foreseeable future.

So in short, don't get carried away. Stay grounded, but enjoy the ride because the future looks bright and in safe capable hands. I for one can't wait till next season. Haven't look forward to a new season as much in decades 😁.

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{Ed025's Note - me neither mate..

07 Jun 2016 16:39:45
Bbc sport also confirming deal is done, erwin and fitness coach coming aswell, massive statement this! COYB!

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{Ed002's Note - Try not to get carried away about any "massive statement".}

07 Jun 2016 18:33:57
Everton have said this is not the case and talks are still ongoing. The Original "it's done" statement has come from Koeman's agent who I suspect will claim to have been misquoted again.

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07 Jun 2016 16:26:27
Done deal. £5 mil to saints

bbc sport.

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07 Jun 2016 16:19:12
If anyone would have said 12 months ago we would have Ronald Koeman and 100 + mill to spend I would of that I was dreaming let's enjoy blues and thank god we are the riches club on merseyside lol.

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07 Jun 2016 17:46:36
12 months ago I would of expected Koeman but not the 100 million.

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07 Jun 2016 21:00:52
Sorry to piss on the fire humph, but, John Henry net worth 2015 $2.2 billion, Farhad Moshiri net worth 2016 $1.94 billion.

Old Chinese man once told me 'Google is your friend, unless it's a medical emergency or you don't like what you read'.

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{Ed025's Note - a very wise man BS...and probably a damn good cook.. :)

07 Jun 2016 21:25:31
By that statement ed I can tell you are a connoisseur, like me, of Chinese food.

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{Ed025's Note - i love it BS, i have my staple stuff which is curried beef with fried rice and chips and of course my stalwart which is chicken fried rice but i will eat most of it..except sui mai..

07 Jun 2016 16:09:11
Koeman done according to bbc!

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07 Jun 2016 16:07:45
Bbc solent reporting talks have finished and concluded. Rk brother Erwin and fitness coach coming with him dave watson goal keeping coach and Sammy Lee staging at southampton.

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07 Jun 2016 15:42:16
Koeman is bringing his fitness coach with him, hoping that means we see the best from Deulofeu for a full match next season!

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07 Jun 2016 15:50:11
And get Ross in shape too. He looked sluggish last season like he had tried to bulk up to improve strength but he did it on the Mcdonalds diet.

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07 Jun 2016 15:39:59
Virgil van Dijk And stones would be a great partnership
at the back, I don't get all this talk of a complete rebuild even with Koeman working with our current squad will shore up our defence, Martinez once said we don't set up to keep clean sheets, that says everything and why he got the sack, no defensive work ever done I heard that Martinez never even practised set pieces defensive or offensive.
Koeman being a top defender himself will tighten that straight away personally I think we only need to add a few players but in the right positions, if some of our players go then that's a different story.
If we would of been half as good defensively last season then we would of been top 8, through so many points away.
All this talk on who is the bigger club is oh so silly I mean what is everyone judging this on last 12-18 months or history, Klopp left Dortmund to join Liverpool now Liverpool are a massive history club but if you look at last 20 years I would not say they are big club based on the success they had since 80s.

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07 Jun 2016 14:54:38
Ed002: perhaps you can shed some light on a football contracts matter? How common are release clauses (with set valuations) in contracts for players and managers?
Also, how could a club whose manager is moving to another club insist (via contractual clauses) on no "poaching[" of his former club's players? A club may refuse to transfer a player who's under contract, but surely they can only have a gentlemen's agreement for the manager's new club not to go for the player at his old club.
Surely nothing can stop a player seeking a move - although the club can flatly refuse the transfer request? In the modern day of agents and intermediaries, players must be fully aware of interest in them?
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I can deal with the manager situation very quickly. It doesn't really happen - at lease not in the UK and it would never be legally enforcable.

I generally avoid talk of clauses as it is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws, and football fans (as we know) are not very bright at all and they tend to get easily confused by them - as do the media. So, in simple terms:

The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA (on behalf of the club) the amount of the "buy out" clause and therefore he becomes, effectively, a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax. There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about three years ago. So "buy out" clauses are very rare nowadays - but some exist.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales) for legal purposes. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested in the potential move - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. For interested clubs outside of the country of the selling club, it may well provide a guide as to what the player might cost - but they are under no obligation to accept a bid - an example being Firmino is a good example here as Liverpool agreed to pay €41M (potentially rising to €50M) for a player that no German side were interested in buying from Hoffenheim at his €25M release clause.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another. Again the prices assigned are generally on the high side - Eliaquim Mangala was one player purchased via a termination clause - €50M.}

07 Jun 2016 15:27:49
Ed002: Thanks for your comprehensive reply.
I like to think of myself as fairly well informed, level headed and reasonably intelligent, but (and this might be rare amongst football fans) I adhere to Clint Eastwood's saying as Dirty Harry that "a man's got to know his limitations". I generally do, which is why I welcome you replying to my questions about subjects I don't know much about - even if many other fans find them arcane or boring and would rather gambol through the dream world of unicorns, magic wands and fairy dust. Still, it all makes for enjoyable craic and feeds the apparently insatiable fans' appetite for any gossip no matter how fanciful.
Once again, thanks for taking the time to reply to these posts. Have a good one.

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{Ed002's Note - You are more than welcome Sid.}

07 Jun 2016 15:34:27
Very informative Ed002. Makes understanding the paper talk a lot easier as bullocks now. So the release clause was what Arsenal triggered for Suarez by bidding £1 over the speculated £50m when he was at Liverpool.

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{Ed002's Note - The situation with Arsenal was that with Suarez desperate to leave the previous summer Liverpool had agreed that if any offer over £40M was made then Suarez would be allowed to move if he wanted to. This was not a buy out or release clause but what is now becoming more popular – a termination clause. At the time, the expectation was that Real Madrid would step in (which was what Suarez then wanted) with an offer but it was far too low for Liverpool to accept. Arsenal made the offer of £40M plus £1 as Guardiola was unsure whether it was “£40M and above” or “over £40M” – there was nothing wrong with that. At the time, as this was seemingly the only way out of Liverpool, Suarez was willing to accept this as a stepping stone to one of the major Spanish clubs, but the Liverpool board blocked it. Suarez's agents took legal advice and were set to argue that Arsenal matched the clause that allowed to leave and that they should allow the player to discuss the transfer with Arsenal as soon as is possible. They would then look to leverage this legal position to stop Liverpool blocking the transfer and were willing to use the £2M then due the player as an incentive in order to facilitate the transfer. Suarez would have moved to Arsenal given the opportunity and this is when he started his campaign against the club regarding broken promises etc.. That summer, Liverpool agreed that he would be able to leave the following summer, regardless – this was done to avoid any potential legal battle. By the following summer Barcelona were interested and that suited Suarez – better than Madrid he tells the Catalan media when they ask. If the matter had of gone to court there would be no doubt the move could have been forced. An appeal would have perhaps been considered by Liverpool but that would have potentially dragged on long enough to stop Suarez playing for anyone until it was resolved – and that could have had disastrous consequences for Liverpool.

07 Jun 2016 15:39:39
Cheers Ed002. Top notch.

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07 Jun 2016 15:39:44
Wouldn't it be something if players just honoured their contractsite and there was need for all these loop holes. Imagine how different the football landscape would look then.
You would probably find a lot more young players would get a chance to come in from the academysite as it wouldn't be so easy to just go and buy a player.
I suppose there would be pros and cons.

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{Ed002's Note - These aren't loopholes. One day when their is a pan-European breakaway the other leagues will need to reorganise and then you might get your wish.}

07 Jun 2016 16:05:51
Great info that Ed and clears up a lot, always wondered about the Suarez situation and now we know, thanks.

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07 Jun 2016 16:33:47
And do you think that would be a good or bad thing Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - The full breakaway will happen regardless of UEFAs efforts to try and keep control over what happens. For me it will be a good thing for a small number of clubs who will dominate the money, and the future of the game. For many clubs life will change, the money will be less and the cloth will need to be cut accordingly. For many, many other clubs they will need to adjust to what will likely be a completely reorganised league and lifestyle - probably on a regional basis - if they are going to survive. It will be a rather sad end for some BNS.}

07 Jun 2016 13:42:05
Won't matter who we get as manager then if they do a great job bigger teams will come in for him so what's the answer.

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07 Jun 2016 14:59:23
The answer is to start qualifying for the CL on a regular basis and doing well in that and start winning trophies and thereby retain - and attract - the best players and give the manager the opportunity to enjoy the success his ambition would want.
SImples ;-)

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07 Jun 2016 14:01:48
Heard Dave Whelan will be making an announcement in the next 24hrs to confirm Everton's new manager!
Did you know he broke his leg once?

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07 Jun 2016 14:18:29
''Did you know he broke his leg once? ''

Yes and his tongue has been limping ever since!

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07 Jun 2016 14:35:46
Dave Whelan broke his leg!

When was that?

Never heard about that.

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07 Jun 2016 15:31:15
Wasn't that the same day Carl frock fought George groves in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley. .

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07 Jun 2016 12:40:29
Ssn at 1pm I just been told.

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07 Jun 2016 13:13:05
Nope, just euro trash pb.

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07 Jun 2016 13:35:14
You're on a roll Pb!

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07 Jun 2016 12:20:46
Further to my earlier post, here's which 13 of the 24 players I named that I reckon are classified as homegrown: Jagielka, Baines, McCarthy, Barry, Barkley, Cleverley, Lukaku, Garbutt, McAleny, Lennon, Stones, Pennington and Browning.
By the way, 3 of the out-of-contract player (Hibbert, Gibson and Osman) are homegrown. Pienaar and Mattioni are non-homegrown.
The 11 non-homegrown players in the squad I named are: Robles, Coleman, Oviedo, Mori, Besic, Mirallas, McGeady, Kone, Niasse, Rodriguez and Deulodfeu.
The registered aged-over-21 squad doesn't have to be 25-strong - it can be smaller - but whatever its size, no more than 17 can be non-homegrown and the remainder must be homegrown.
Fans/ posters should bear the above in mind when listing the incoming/ outgoing transfer they're wanting :-)

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07 Jun 2016 12:44:26
Sid, does McCarthy count as homegrown? He came through the ranks at Hamilton and didn't move south until he was 18? Not sure if this means he counts as non-homegrown.

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07 Jun 2016 13:51:23
McCarthy spent at least 36 months with English clubs before the end of the season he turned 21 and that qualifies him as homegrown.
Likewise - surprisingly - for Lukaku.

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07 Jun 2016 14:27:55
Shouldn't have any real problems we've got at least 8 quality homegrown players if we loose Peanuts Mattoni Kone and Mcgeady that's 4 slots. New Keeper, LM, ACM and Striker (if we loose Lukaku) . anyone know why Tarashaj is not listed on the EFC web as a player?

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07 Jun 2016 15:37:34
Ref Tarashaj he is on loan which I believery would be until June 30th. And will therefore have a squad number allocated for 2016/ 17.

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07 Jun 2016 10:56:07
Just been on saints page replied to toffee0570 comment.

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07 Jun 2016 14:55:49
Let them stew for a bit, because as we know boys when the sound of kerching is ringing in your ears, no one is safe and as Murf reminds us every now and then ;) . . .

Money talks!

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07 Jun 2016 10:26:33
Sky reporting announcement iminent.

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07 Jun 2016 08:48:50
No matter what happens I like the way Moshiri conducts his business because let's be honest no one here has had a clue about the facts over the last few weeks, maybe months, this can only bode well for the future. Clandestine ownership might not suit everyone but if keeps us all on our toes.

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07 Jun 2016 08:45:15
anyone see a couple of arsenal players coming to us, moshiri knew koeman and arsenal had links. maybe walcott, chambers, ospina or some of there targets. in football you never know.

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07 Jun 2016 09:14:40
Wouldn't want Walcott. He's always injured. Let West Ham have him.

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07 Jun 2016 09:58:58
Wouldn't have chambers or ospina either to be honest. Chambers did look like he could go on to be a good player but we have plenty of them already. There are much better options in my opinion.

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07 jun 2016 10:20:38
my god ospina. yeah right because he is class not. proper crap championship at best.

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07 Jun 2016 06:24:42
I could be wrong and it might be a bit more wishful thinking but, I get the feeling we may be announcing koeman and monchi together.

The deal is done we know that so why don't they come out and say so, so maybe there tiring lose ends up with monchi for them to say we got them both on same day.

Stranger things have happened, I mean monchi has to be done soon rather than later if he is the one to be buying players.

Players are going to be on show and we need to snap them up fast.

I wouldn't mind going for negrado. Brilliant stricter and has played in the prem.

Anyway good times a head blues

COYB NSNO.

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07 Jun 2016 06:51:47
Spelling mistakes because I'm rushing for train lol. I'm not that thick 😂😂.

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07 Jun 2016 09:52:58
Who disagreed with me not being thick.

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07 Jun 2016 14:45:44
Edoo2 must be on auto pilot hitting that 'Disagree' button . . .

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