Everton Banter Archive February 07 2016

07 Feb 2016 16:34:22
Just seen ed02 considers the Reds walk out a MASSIVE over reaction

I'm not sure were ed02 lives but are city is a working class city with a huge percentage of our population earning the minimum wage an increase in ticket prices only makes it harder to pass on a legacy to our children were we take them the game every week

If I could not afford to take my child to Goodison it would hurt me that

Over reaction? Nar ed 02.

07 Feb 2016 16:50:44
Personally as they are I think football tickets are grossly overpriced let alone increasing them again. With the television money taken into account it's not like any of the teams are short of money is it. I heard on the radio, one of the bundelsiga teams, I think it was bayern, only charge £107 for a season ticket!. They say they could double it but it would only yield an extra £2m a year, and to a team like that it's a drop in the ocean, they'd rather have a full stadium which is absolutely rocking. Personally I think the EPL could learn a little bit from them.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely gibbo, you can get bundesliga tickets for £12, and that includes transport!...we get ripped off here mate..

07 Feb 2016 17:26:38
160 was dearest cheapest season ticket last year andthat was dortmund.

07 Feb 2016 17:06:28
Bundesliga has long been the lead in fiscal prudence, yet still manages to attract top players.

07 Feb 2016 19:09:39
I'd love premier league to follow suit but with respect Germany has Munich winning virtually everything every year. They also don't have the neymar, Messi, Costa, sanchez lukaku etc.
They have a handful of quality players, robben, muller, lahm, etc all who play for Munich, dortmund and possibly wolfsburg.
I'd love our league to be cheaper, then I'll admit I could afford to go the match. Now it's cheaper to watch on Internet sites. Just a tough balance between price and quality.

On a slight aside. I can see China becoming the big mover financially in football. They going to pay more so the best players will head over. not sure it will make me want to watch their matches though.

07 Feb 2016 19:28:07
Might have something to do with the fact we're in the UK where our government apply tax on top of tax lol. Even so prices are extortionate.

08 Feb 2016 12:55:49
Not only would we have full stadiums in premier league but revenue would increase when spending in the ground Ir refreshment, merchandise and programmes.

07 Feb 2016 11:53:31
Yesterday Liverpool fans staged a walk out in protest of sky high ticket prices and rightly so imo

I had to laugh though a reported 10 thousand joined in which ment a good 30 thou stayed

What's there moto again HAHAHA
Oh me sides are hurting got to stop.

07 Feb 2016 12:08:21
blueliam spot on blueliam ha ha ha.

07 Feb 2016 12:59:11
Reality is if you get a new stand to increase your attendance due to your 'worldwide' following then the cost gets recuperated from these fans. The 77th minute walkout was great in my local as it meant I could get to the bar.

{Ed001's Note - the cost is recuperated from naming rights for the stand. Not to mention the huge new TV deal. It is the likes of you that will lead to Everton following suit in the future.}

07 Feb 2016 13:28:33
I sat fair play to those fans. Clubs are happy to pay players 100k + a week and for us fans to be the ones who suffer. Regardless of the team, fans should unite on this as the premier league gets richer and yet tickets prices are getting higher.

07 Feb 2016 14:05:13
When the premier league sold out to sky all those years ago, one of the main stipulations was that ticket prices will be kept down with the money, Reckon that lasted about 1 season because nobody really policed it,

07 Feb 2016 14:32:00
Judging by final score, looks like the Liverpool players walked off after 77 mins too :-)

07 Feb 2016 14:51:25
HAHA is right Dags.

07 Feb 2016 15:09:26
ed001, don't think you can blame fans for any club owners being that greedy. If, as you say, bluegray and his attitude will lead to EFC putting prices up then you must be blaming some LFC supporters for their current plight?
For the record, I think the reds have been shafted, some mates of mine need to find another £200+ to keep their season tickets next year, but, as a club, their current owners have spent (possibly wasted) over £300m since taking control. Didn't see too many reds moaning when they were splashing the cash.

{Ed001's Note - yes it is the fans fault for not standing up and fighting sooner. Everyone saw what happened at Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs but people didn't care until it affected them. Spending money they don't have is not an excuse for fleecing fans, especially when they spent it so badly. It would be much better to learn how to run a football club than look to make others pay for your mistakes.}

07 Feb 2016 16:06:54
So when exactly should they have stood up? Take Liverpool as an example, nobody was making a stand when the owners splashed the cash, they were happy to see new players come into the squad.
The difference for next year is the tv rights, with it being worth a tremendous amount, should filter down to the fans and make it cheaper for the working man to attend games. We all agree on that as it will affect all clubs if their board choose to be greedy. The fact is that, while fans can spare the cash to go to a game, they will follow their team regardless. Can't blame them for that imo.

07 Feb 2016 19:23:46
The Stoke fans must of been complaining about being charged 45 bullets next season then, they all funked off at half time!

{Ed025's Note - love it mate..

07 Feb 2016 10:24:59
Oops didn't finish.
So do we buy winger for left side and drop cleverly or keep playing Tom left.

07 Feb 2016 10:50:36
Personally, I still think we need an actual winger (wait and see whether niasse plays there) . Having clevers adds competition across the midfield.

{Ed025's Note - i must say i was a doubting thomas over clevs cropper, but he has definitely surprised me..very good recruit mate..

07 Feb 2016 12:53:32
I am surprised but he has won me over and I would have Tom one of the first on team sheet atm. He in 'phenomenal moment'

07 Feb 2016 13:09:04
already been said about Naise being able to play right across the line.

07 Feb 2016 18:11:34
I have a sneaky feeling Martinez might have Baines as Barry's replacement. I know Besic and McCarthy are obvious future defending midfielders with maybe Gibson and Cleverly as back up. Gibson may not get another contract and Cleverly can play in plenty of positions.

The problem is we're pretty sure next season is Barry's last. That leaves no left footed holding midfielder. We have Oviedo, Garbutt and Galloway who can play left back.

Oviedo is only 3 years older than Garbutt at 25 and 22 respectively. He is playing Oviedo instead of Baines currently. Maybe Baines has a niggle that flared up after returning from injury. Or maybe Martinez has plans for Baines.

I know he tried him out there before for a short while and also said that's the position he sees him playing in the future.

Maybe he scrapped that idea or maybe he didn't. Just my thoughts. Oviedo is playing well at the moment and left back is pretty strong without Baines.

I don't necessarily agree with this idea or want Martinez to do it. Just might be something that might develope in the future.

07 Feb 2016 08:56:11
so there's another 3pts and another clean sheet . amazing what a back line can do that has confidence in the man behind them between the sticks eh? . football coach myself one thing u don't do is change a winning team - howard stones and baines must now earn the right to play don't u think?

martinez frustrates me at times, when he gets it right we are on fire but when he gets it wrong it goes belly up is he starting to see sense now? I think with more my heart we are on the verge of something realy good here. big summer ahead lads. here why

get rid of the deadwood
howard
osman
hibbert
pienaar
gibson
mcgeady
kone

promote within add 2/ 3 quality signings and our squad will be one of the best young squads around.

07 Feb 2016 09:09:15
absolutely spot on, think every EFC fan should agree with this.

07 Feb 2016 10:10:15
Completely disagree.
The 'deadwood' might not be doing it on the pitch, but squad harmony and the experienced heads in the dressing room are key. The Everton identity is huge, it's the reason we have the most loyal players (average length of stay is higher at EFC than any other PL team) .
We take for granted the dedication of the Everton players and their willingness to stay, we've never been a revolving door club like Sunderland or Liverpool and we don't want to go down this route.
Having a stable dressing room and players who are hewn out of finch farm rhetoric helps stabilise the John stones and Ross Barkleys of this world. These young lads might have their heads turned without the Tim Howard's and Leon osmans.
I think Joel has done well, but don't underestimate the bit part players, it may seem small, but they have a part to play.

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point mate..

07 Feb 2016 10:14:22
Obviously agree with this. The only concern is we lose one or two of our quality players, lukaku, stones, barkley, etc. I hope Bobby is good as his word when he says our squad will get stronger every window and we won't be selling our best players.
If this is the case, this squad will be the best we've had for many years and we could/ should be challenging for silverware.

07 Feb 2016 12:52:39
Spot on Daz. The only 1 I'd keep is Gibson. He's a good squad player when fit. Maybe a sideways role for osman coaching the youngsters if he wants it. Plus we will still retain a lot of experience in jags, baines, Barry, Coleman and the core of the younger ones also have a lot of experience considering their age.1 or 2 marque signings and some squad players to replace what we get shot of and we seriously do have a team capable of winning silverware.

07 Feb 2016 13:42:01
RM really seems to rate Kone though. Let's see once Naise gets his visa sorted out. That is 3 3-0 wins now with the same side. Let's hope this very recent head rule heart attitude of RM carries on.

07 Feb 2016 16:33:35
I'd keep Gibson and piennar, maybe keep osman and Hibbert for the dressing room but not for league games.

07 Feb 2016 16:35:12
Piennar hasn't done anything wrong there's still life left in him I think, doesn't rely on pace and great at the one touch footy, true blue as well.

{Ed025's Note - i like him oli...but he wasn,t a true blue when he left for the bright lights of north london mate..

07 Feb 2016 18:31:34
True Ed025 thought he was too good for us. Was damn glad to come back.

I can see both sides but at the same time if we are to challenge for Europe we need a decent 20 man squad. Imo it's good to have experience to rotate and use sparingly.

I'd keep Gibson on long term contract and maybe Osman and Pienaar on one year contracts. Maybe the last 2 want to retire and don't want to carry on.

Think Pienaar in particular could do a job.

The rest I wouldn't be sad to see them released. Hibbert and Howard good servants but time has come imo. McGeady less said the better. Kone not playing well at the moment.

{Ed025's Note - if it were me NBTB i would have pienaar on a 1 year rolling contract and ossie and gibbo on a pay as you play deal mate..

07 Feb 2016 19:31:56
Yep, Ed025 that's better idea alright. Good to have these players available in the event of them being needed.

{Ed025's Note - yes mate and not a burden on the wage bill..

07 Feb 2016 20:16:15
Meant to mention that as well. Its a win, win. Well in theory anyway.

07 Feb 2016 01:17:26
NOTICE TO JOHN STONES and LUKAKU'S AGENT!
Manchester City team today cost over £225m to assemble. Leicester City team today cost £22.4m. How hugely refreshing to hear Jamie Vardy state, after signing a new Contract which will keep him at Leicester until 2019 "there is something very special happening at this Club and I really want to be part of it. I have never known spirit amongst the players like it"! What a brilliant attitude, when you consider that Vardy could have had his pick from most of the so-called "big clubs" to sign for. The grass isn't always greener. its just the money piles that are bigger. I have been watching Everton for about 55years now and I have been fortunate to see a number of potentially brilliant teams being nurtured by various Managers over many years, some which have reached their full potential and have been successful. some not so successful. I have seen quite a few brilliant players pull on the famous Royal Blue Jersey, and I do believe that we could possibly be on the verge of seeing the rise of another potentially, brilliant young team. IF THEY STAY TOGETHER? Martinez has the nucleus of a very very good team in the making, but the likes of John Stones should understand that Football works in Era's. and is not totally dictated by wealth, although having wealthy owners obviously helps in some cases. but not all. Lukaku, Stones, Barkley, Coleman, McCarthy, Funes Mori and Delafeu, should realise that they alone can actually mould their own futures and become very successful here at Everton! They can win Silverware at Everton, by staying together earning the wages they are being paid now by Everton and not be swayed by the "sign for us, we'll treble your wages" overtures from the likes of Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd. Martinez should sit them down and make them watch the Cup Winners Cup Winning Team which Howard Kendall built. watch and learn and then be successful. Lukaku shouldn't be scoring the goals he is scoring at the moment to advertise his skills for his agent to show the owners of PSG and Real Madrid. he should be scoring them to help take Everton to higher levels so that we can then compete against those sides regularly in European Competitions. preferably the Champions League! Am I dreaming. or just plain crazy. well if Leicester City have these aspirations. SO SHOULD EVERTON FC.

{Ed003's Note - Naive maybe gv, that's no put down just a sad reflection of where the 'game' is now,great post by the way.}

07 Feb 2016 08:20:07
You're not a prolific poster Golden, but your words are always a good read.

{Ed025's Note - i second that tedster..

07 Feb 2016 10:18:29
John stones' head has gone. He in his head thinks he will go backwards if he stays at Everton. I would be very surprised if he stays, I don't think he is leaving for money or to play with better players, he wants to go because enough people have told him he should go.

Chelsea won't have champions league, Liverpool is obviously a no, Spurs might get him although not sure Levy would stump up the cash, guardiola may fancy him but he likes centre halves to be dogged (puyol, pique, mascherano) . I think it's Manchester United and Jose that will turn his head, and they don't mind spending a few quid.

Stones to United, let him go, £55m and let's take stock.
Jack.

07 Feb 2016 19:46:51
As good a post as I've ever read on here golden vision! Good example in Leicester. So far this season they are showing that it can be done.

Jakalakawaka how does anyone never mind you know what's in Stones head?
You could be right but that's just guessing. Who knows what will happen before the end of the season. An awful lot can happen in football over 2 weeks never mind 3 months.

You may be right jaka but I for one hope Stones spends his entire career with Everton.