Everton Banter Archive November 06 2016

06 Nov 2016 20:04:41
Well it's a dark, dismal end of the weekend.
5-0 and 6-1 makes it sort of darker!

06 Nov 2016 21:08:41
In one weekend, the dark side have gone top and improved their goal difference compared to us by ten goals!
Oh well - it's still early days for RK whereas Klopp has had longer to work with that lot across the park.
Anyway, we're seventh in the table - only behind the expected top six - so it's not doom and gloom quite yet.

{Ed025's Note - its not exactly "miller time" either though sid..

07 Nov 2016 08:42:24
I think RK has a bigger job than first thought!
This squad looks like it needs a complete overhaul, there are so many players that just aren't up to it, we have so few options when the game requires a change, and really so few top class players!

07 Nov 2016 13:11:40
We new it was bad in the January window. We didn't get a keeper striker playmacker or another centre back. I like Koeman for his sake we better have a good jan window. Before anyone says it Valencia is a desperation loan we don't need west ham rejects.

07 Nov 2016 13:59:22
I'm sure there is money to improve the side, but it is not a bottomless pit, money has to be spent wiseley, so takeing the first half of the season to evaluate what he has, what he needs, and what are the prioritys, seems a very rational approch, and if the spending in this comeing window is modist, this is a man trying to do a major repair job, apparently he was told the all the player where PHENOMENAL, i'm told he begs to differ.

06 Nov 2016 15:59:56
We have a squad of 25 (the maximum) aged-over-21 players currently registered for the Premier League. They are: Baines, Barkley, Barry, Besic, Bolasie, Browning, Cleverley, Coleman, Deulofeu, Funes Mori, Gana, Gibson, Jagielka, Kone, Lennon, Lukaku, McCarthy, Mirallas, Niasse, Oviedo, Pennington, Robles, Stekelenburg, Valencia (on loan) , and Williams A.
We also have 2 aged-over-21 players out on loan (Garbutt and McGeady) and 2 others (McAleny and Rodriguez) still at the club, but out of the registered squad.
Then there are 6 players (Byrne, Duffus C., Grant, Gray, Jones G., and Tarashaj) who'll be classified as aged-over-21 when the squad has to be re-registered at the end of next Summer's transfer window.
By my reckoning, that's 35 players - not including any incoming signings (which are certainly needed! ) - so a fair number of the current personnel will have to be moved out to get the squad down to the allowed 25. Add in that some of our aged-under-21 players (Davies, etc. ) will hopefully get more matches and some older players won't get as much and may need to move on to get time on the pitch.
The question imho is: who of those 35 aged-over-21 players would you NOT want to have left the club permanently by next Summer?

06 Nov 2016 19:04:17
Barkley, Bolasie, Browning, Coleman, Deulofeu, Gana, Lukaku, McCarthy, Pennington, Robles, Williams, as for the other 6 keep all. If we are truly going to have a sort out then let's do it. Would mean that we would have to bring in some quality replacements though, so Moshi would have to spend the cash.

06 Nov 2016 20:16:15
Id keep besic aswell. If he can stay fit i think he would thrive under rk. Baines can still do a job but he does need a replacement whether he'd be happy playing as a back up option is another thing tho.

06 Nov 2016 20:58:28
For me - and I know it's a cliche - players (and managers and coaches) come and go, so I wouldn't be overly upset if any of those 35 players left the club - as long as their replacements (either incoming transfers or promotions from the U23s/ U18s) do a better job. However, I would be surprised if RK wants anyone to leave unless they clearly aren't rated by him. Plus we have the finances to resist bids for our best players these days, but if a player presses for a move then it'll usually happen. I don't think it's overly dramatic to say that many in our squad are now playing for their futures at Everton.

06 Nov 2016 21:20:01
I wouldn't keep Delofeu he offers absolutely nothing in my opinion. Baines would be included also and Fumes I think is still young enough to improve but hasn't been really given a chance under RK yet.

07 Nov 2016 09:59:53
Interesting post that Cowpat. For those who have been posting on here for a while. they will remember my posts of 3 years ago which basically slated Martinez. I pointed out that he had inherited an ageing squad and had done nothing to improve it other than signing inferior yet older players and in fact he was creating a future problem. Players like Anichibe were being sold yet replaced by Kone. Distin replaced by Alcaraz. Barry brought in. I know some people did not like Moyes for what he did and said, but he reduced the average age of the squad. Well now we are looking at the problem square on. Martinez did bring in some younger players. Deulofeu, Besic and a few others, but these are not first team players on a weekly basis and in my opinion are just not good enough. Koeman has bought himself a little time with his signings, but the squad is still ageing and I see some bright kids coming through. I believe that the next couple of transfer windows are so important to our once great club. We have the FFP rules to follow so we are somewhat restricted. this is were Steve Walsh has got to earn his dosh. we need quality signings at little expense. and quite a few of them. I suspect we will have a bumpy next few seasons!

07 Nov 2016 17:28:17
Why keep players who clearly have injury issues. I know all players have injuries but we have some who can't put two games together.

08 Nov 2016 11:38:45
Agreed.

06 Nov 2016 12:27:48
Watching that last night made me sick the i have said this before we have no standards for players lukaku bains idrissa williams colman barry the rest ate just not good enough major changes need to be made in jan badly no heart in r play what so ever no more i can think of a game this season were i can say we look good because we don't we play good for one half an that's par at were we should be mid table 9th 10th finish if we r lucky this season plus over 100 mil to spend y didn't thos get spent in the last transfer window when we clearly needed it. Panic buys last minite to make the fans look like they r trying we all clearly seen we needed a striker an a left back an a creative mid an yet we never got one an us fans get took the piss out of not happy at the moment :/ hope things change.

06 Nov 2016 17:07:32
Who would you buy? Who in the past 20 years is better than the players you want to get rid off? One bad game doesn't make a bad team.

06 Nov 2016 18:10:45
one bad game r u mad we have played bad the last 7 games
Evan the games we have won we look shite am weak we have no lb no bk up striker no creative mid if your happy they way were playing god help us.

06 Nov 2016 18:27:55
We need a complete new team the damage caused by RM will take years to put right.

Yesterday we where really really bad but it is fair to say Chelsea where fantastic reminded me a bit of the championship side of 70/71 cannot pay them I higher compliment. I hope they go on to win the league, as for us well we must be patient unfortunately.

06 Nov 2016 19:06:11
Don't understand Deulofeu pre season banging in goals never even came on yesterday and yes we were shite.

06 Nov 2016 19:07:54
We have had more than just one bad game. At the moment there are 4 maybe 5 decent teams in the league the rest are average to shite. And we are just hanging on in the average group.

06 Nov 2016 20:06:02
Norwich and Burnley come to mind we've got no strength as a squad or they don't want to play or respect the badge.

06 Nov 2016 21:24:31
I know we keep blaming Martinez for the damage he has done but we were constantly told that we had the best squad in years yet the players as well as the former manger were obviously not good enough. Where has been the pride by players for wearing the Blue shirt over the last 2 years. Vast majority of players are overpaid prima donnas. Mirallas, Del boy, are just 2 who have never been good enough for a start.

06 Nov 2016 11:07:45
Well and truly beaten by a far superior team last night. I can accept that, but what i can"t accept is the way we rolled over and died in the way we did, we made it easy for Chelsea starting with the formation, the lack of fighting spirit, no pride in your own performance, we lack a true leader on the field a shouter someone who leads by example whos standards won't dip even if we are getting a hiding, somebody in the mould of Roy Keane. Far to many players went missing last night, and far to many past it and just not good enough for a team with high ambitions.

06 Nov 2016 14:05:50
Most have said and I agree that Koeman will get it right, I would add to that however, that even after 11 games we cannot allow the gap between 6 and those above us to get to great. Keep the gap down and come January no doubt the DoF, Manager and assistants have already identified and made tentative inquiries for players that will come in and allow us to push on.

06 Nov 2016 10:21:47
Ever since the last World Cup the weekends of Jagielka and Baines were seen. That's 2 years ago and declined ever since. So we have need for top class replacement at CB and LB.
Barkley. Am neither against or for him. Want him to succeed being local lad but in many games just see him jogging box to box and not offering much else.
Bolasie, occasional flashes and vastly overpriced.

In addition to CB and LB replacement there is a massive task in finding replacement for Garefh Barry, whose contribution will be badly missed.
Another top goalkeeper needed.

I wonder what Lukaku was saying to John Terry at the end of the game yesterday. Was a bit more than a hello.

To be fair and as others have said Chelsea were brilliant and with their consistency at the moment would make them favourites to top the league.

06 Nov 2016 18:33:38
We need a goalkeeper, we need to replace Jags and Baines and Barry due to age. Mirrelis is not up to the level we need, Barclay not really good enough and there are more.

We have a few promising youngsters but we have to build a complete team Martinez destroyed all that Moyes built it is a tragedy that I knew would happen.