Everton Banter Archive November 06 2013

06 Nov 2013 23:04:43
here is my view on our signings thus far

Joel-think he is decent at best but at the age of 24 he plays like a 19 year old de gea, without the talent, taudul will be our future number 1 imo

Alcaraz-i really rate him, not the quickest but a solid defender who is very talented on the ball and for nothing he will turn out to be a short term bargain if he can avoid injuries imo

barry-our best player this season, so calm on the ball, another good penalty taker and a leader on the pitch, cleans up and controls the game very well, must be signed up on a free at the end of his loan,

McCarthy-been a great signing, despite the price tag I have been very impressed, will only get better and is as energetic and as good a driving force as they come

Deulofeu-his time is now, yes he can give the ball away cheaply sometimes, but pienaar is just does not cut the mayonaisse anymore

Lukaku-well he is something special, a goalscoring striker with pace and power, what we have needed for a long time, it is only a loan but let's make the most of him, great deal this by bobby

Kone-didnt want him and his season ending injury has only increased the reason why it was bad business atm, he could still do a job even when he is 30+, look at drogba, okay kone isn't as good but age may not be too much of a barrier as people may think, he was practically free so meh, should of went for jordan rhodes though imo

Mike-Ox Long

Pretty much agree, think you're overly harsh on Robles though

06 Nov 2013 17:44:31
Anyone remember me asking why we bought Kone? For the life of me I never saw the need to get him in when we still had Victor. Victor being a younger version of a big bustling hold it up player.
So we brought Kone in at 6 million for a 29 year old and sold Victor for a reported similar figure. So far Kone has been next to useless and by the time he regains fitness he will have lost some of his pace through age and the injury. I think we should have held on to Victor. At least age was on his side.
Degsypulford

06 Nov 2013 20:05:14
victor was absolute crap, he has age on his side, that is all, lazy, never scores, is always injured and is absolutely terrible, kone was a bad signing, but I would rather have an injured kone than a fully fit anichebe and I mean that, we got our 6m back from kone due to anichebe and kone is by far the better player, anichebe is worse than jelavic

Mike-Ox Long

Sorry Mike-Ox Long, but I think you are being harsh on Anichebe. He had suffered injuries I agree, but WBA seemed happy to buy him. and he is still younger. Time will tell with Kone, but like I say, he is 29 now and we may miss his best years. As a business point of view, Anichebe even with a similar injury is still worth more because of his age.
Degsypulford

06 Nov 2013 22:50:15
yes bet they are made up they bought him now, wba fans must be sat there going 'why the f*ck did we pay 6m for that', gueye is younger than ronaldo, from a business point of view ronaldo is better because he is just the better player, vic is young and terrible, kone is old and good when on form, if you gave me the option of vic or kone for 6m I would pick kone any day as would most people I assume, in march anichebe said 'i will get double figures in goals', he was then stuck on the same goal tally for the remainder of the season, which was 8 goals, he is awful mate, always plays with back go goal but only ever rolled ciaran clark and that was it, lazy, poor finisher, headless chicken and easily the best sale we have ever made, kone is a much better player and actually tries, anichebe could go one on one with the keeper 100 times and I guarantee he would struggle to score 15 of them

Mike-Ox Long

I take on board some of your points Mike. But I think you are still being very harsh on Victor and building Kone up to something he isn't. A sort of black and white view. My own view is that neither player is a world beater. Both are good/average. Kone might be slightly better, but I have so far seen no evidence of this. Also when Kone finally recovers and returns, he will be 30+ years old. If it then takes him a season to regain full match fitness, then he at best will only have a couple of seasons left. Victor is 24/25 now I believe? He still has 6 or 7 of his best years to come and will therefore have a sell on value even if he sustains a similar injury. Now if Kone had been first choice and banging in the goals, I would have agreed with you. My point is that we have swapped one young average squad player, for an older average squad player and made no money out of the dealings. In my view we should have stuck with Victor and given him another year or two. If Kone was a first choice player I would have agreed with you.but he clearly is not.
Degsypulford

Mike clearly doesn't understand debate and how you construct a counter argument, he just throws his toys out the pram, with remarks like, ' I bet wba are made up they bought him' etc. which is rather infantile.

07 Nov 2013 16:27:02
victor average? he is very below average and has no threat whatsoever, we stuck with victor for how many years? you really think he would of improved in those two years? might get 9 goals in a season instead of 8 and to the anonymous poster, is victor your sugar daddy or something? he is crap that's all, so if you don't rate a player you are 'throwing your toys out the pram' well if that's your logic why come on the site? its all about opinions

Mike-Ox Long

Hey Mike Oxlong, How many goals has Kone scored so far for his 6 million. I hate knocking our players but as we are in this discussion, I can tell you. its 0! ie none! So we swapped a player who is not a gifted goal scorer for another player who. etc but is much older and on his last legs etc.Tell you what, I will bet Kone scores less this season than Victor. only joking mate! don't get too wound up.
Degsypulford

07 Nov 2013 18:05:09
dont get wound up at all mate, I actually laugh when it comes to things like these, you would rather have anichebe and I would rather have kone, simples

Mike-Ox Long

I'd rather have the cash because let's face it neither are world beaters.

Whoever put the last anonymous post has just repeated what I actually said some months ago. ie why sell Victor to buy Kone? We should have sold Victor, sold Jelly and used the money from these and added some of the Felli money to buy a much higher standard center forward. I would have guessed we got say 2.5 million for Jelly, plus the 6 million from Victor plus say 4 or 5 million from Fellis money = 13 million. Then we would have been looking at a different quality center forward. That was my original posting. Instead we now have an injured 29 year old who doesn't score for fun anyway when fit.
Degsypulford

06 Nov 2013 14:18:37
I reckon we should try & sign James Vaughan back with the news about kone being out for rest if season, he's strong, over his injury problems & banging goals in for fun & would be reasonably cheap to buy enabling us to preserve more substantial funds for world class signings in other areas if the park (I.e. - Fernando etc) what di you reckon ed? {Ed025's Note - not for me zacki, i think he has found his level in the championship mate..

06 Nov 2013 13:07:22
Watching the Man City v CSKA game last night. The first time I have watched Honda play, must say I wasn't overly impressed. Perhaps like Holtby in wouldn't be a bad thing if he didn't join us.

Bad news about Kone, let's hope Lukaku stays fit!

COYB

Totally agree about Honda, I've watched him numerous times and he's decent when he wants to be but when the going gets tough he's nowhere to be seen(apart from his hair).As for Kone I'm gutted for the lad, unfortunately there are people on here who'll rejoice in the news of his injury (ex relegated Wigan player, waste of 6million etc., ) but Roberto has faith in him and while he plays for our great club so will I, so good luck Arouna, hope to see you back soon in the famous blue shirt.

06 Nov 2013 08:57:52
Is anyone else slightly concerned by Evertonion's thinking that we are all but guaranteed 3 points on saturday Yes we should beat Palace but no game in the premiership is easy so far I have heard start jelevic so he can get a couple of goals drop distan for stones start Deulofeu over kev M.
I would stick with our strongest first eleven then if we go a couple of goals up the make changes the only thing I would consider changing is macarthy as he is on a tighrope and we need him for the game against the redrubbish.

06 Nov 2013 09:49:08
There are no easy 3 points in the prem anymore mate, have not heard nayone yet myself but probably will before the match.

I agree with starting with the strongest team myself

But do we risk playing Macca and potentially losing him for the derby in a game we SHOULD win without him, although, that said, we shouldn't take Palace lightly. Macca will be vital for the derby, we will need that bite and energy in midfield against the dark side. It's a headache for El Bob

06 Nov 2013 22:52:07
simple isn't it? play osman as much as I dislike him

Mike-Ox Long

Palace are a poor team, didn't improve enough on the squad and its showing

Osman has not been great, but I have been a fan for many years, apart from this season. he has never been pacy, very rarely loses control of the ball, his first touch is as good as anyone's in the league and normally gains him that extra yard and he pops up with some vital goals, play him in mid I am more that confident he would do the job.
this season though. he seems way off the pace, as does a few players recently