Everton Banter Archive March 06 2015

06 Mar 2015 21:46:27
Can anyone tell me when one of our midfield players last scored and how many goals, in total, have come from midfield this season? Not many I think. By the way, I count Mirallas as a forward, not a midfield player!

{Ed025's Note - deffo not many pips..

07 Mar 2015 00:50:21
We have scored 3 from midfield 1 for barkley osman and mcgeady. 6 from defence jags 2 coleman 2 baines 2. 22 from attack 7 lukaku 7 naismith 5 mirralas 3 eto. There must be 3 own goals in there to give us a grand total of 33. A big problem is we don't score goals from central midfield or create goals for that matter. Worryingly this is very similar to aston villa. I think there midfield only has 1 assist and no goals all season. And to think we may have cleverly from them next season. Frightening.

{Ed025's Note - it is sean...thanks for the info mate..

07 Mar 2015 07:34:57
That would be Ross Barkley against QPR his only league goal to date and even that one is debatable.

06 Mar 2015 20:59:00
Folks, Liverpool fan here in peace - was just wondering where u think things went wrong this season, last season yous were playing some really good stuff, but this season has been completely different - bit like Liverpool in that regard, esp our crappy form at the start of the season - reading all the Martinez out posts, which tbh mirrored our page the first half of the season but genuinely would like to hear some decent views/banter guys as although there I a rivalry I do believe yous are far better than your league position would suggest

{Ed025's Note - were not you know mate, we have some very good players, but a lot of them have been awful this season, it has got to stage where we expect to lose when we go out onto the pitch!..the confidence is shattered and is a direct consequence of putting square pegs in round holes, and asking players to bore the opposition to death with aimless pass after pass usually sidewards or backwards, this is a direct result of the manager being a fraud, he has been found out and most of us cant wait to get rid of this charlatan..

07 Mar 2015 01:02:59
our season went wrong when we didn't beat u lot because your rubbish

{Ed025's Note - thats a bit unfair paul, im afraid we are the ones who are rubbish, but i do love your loyalty mate..

07 Mar 2015 02:05:23
26/4/14 lost to Southampton - 2 og's : That's last season and not, as many believe, a recent phenomenon (see what I did there folks?).

He started tinkering even though we were still in with a shout of 4th place.

He messed up.

He continues to mess up.

He is an arrogant man who has stated, even this week, that he will not change his tactics (even though he does in Europe) and all we need to do is win our home games. Simple when you put it like that.

He seems to want a trophy at any cost. Even if it means our premiership survival like Wigan.

Well I don't. F2ck the Europa league as far up RM's orifice as you can get it. He is no Howard Kendall and does not give a toss about this club. If he did he'd make the necessary changes to squad and tactics to ensure premier league survival as a priority and not as a side issue to the Europa.

IF we survive, regardless of anything that happens in Europe, I will NOT be renewing my season ticket while he remains in post. This has to be the worst season I can remember attending Goodison. Yes, I am old enough to remember very bad times - West Brom, Walker, Wimbledon and that's just the W's :-0

But this season is different. Even early on there was no impetuous. No confidence. No excitement. No anticipation.

Hanging a bleeding great banner over the stadium at the park end? Big fail (yes, I know modern lingo). It was something that made you squirm. He hadn't even done or achieved anything. Massive fail.
Yes, it was soon changed after the early results came in but the scene was set and he thought he was the new messiah. He still does. even now. Wonder if he knows his picture has been taken down.

BK would earn much respect from the fans to act now and cut this fella loose. Saying nothing and hiding makes things worse. If things are going well BK is hard to keep off the TV so give us a statement.

So Mr RS it is our opinion that KAG :-))

{Ed025's Note - good post that mac..

07 Mar 2015 04:50:51
We are in the position we deserve to be after the dismal performances we have served up this season. If I'm honest, the run in last season wasn't too great performance wise either but I never expected a slump this bad. As ed25 says, the confidence has has deserted them. Players getting injured/suspended and then walking straight back into the first team, no matter how bad their form is. Playing players out of position doesn't help, Barkley, who I think is more effective through the middle, is no winger despite getting put there when he plays. This is holding him back. In fact, nearly every player is being made to look worse than they are. Baines and Coleman look half the players we know they are. The only two I would say have been consistent this year are Naismith and Besic, the latter either is omitted from the starting line up or gets subbed every game. He must be so pissed off.
It's all well and good passing the ball about like Barcelona but you have to have the players who feel comfortable doing that. We do not have the same budget as them nor do we have the players to play such a passing game. You have to play to the players strengths, mix it up a bit. With the passing about the back, getting nowhere may I add, nobody wants to take responsibility of risking a forward pass. It's painful to watch, believe me. The manager has to take the blame, his style has strangled the life out of us. The very fact he is too stubborn to implement a plan B is annoying. At least your man knew he had to take a chance, change formation when things are going against you. And it worked. RM is refusing to do anything different, content to plug away with a system that has already got one team he managed relegated. He has lasted a month longer than he should, nothing has changed and I can't see where our next goal, let alone 3 points, is going to come from. The board need to address this slump, can we really afford to drop out the league? With only 30 points left to play for we need about half of them just to avoid the bottom three. We are in no sort of form to take that many, we just have to hope there are three worse teams than us come May.

{Ed025's Note - really good read that spud, and i agree with all of it mate..

07 Mar 2015 07:06:38
Both our teams were on 21 points in December and your manager feared for his job so changed his system which has yielded 30 points and a rise to fifth, what does ours do? He says I ain't changing nothing as I am the master of proper football I can beat Real Madrid on Subbuteo with my possession football and therefore we have yielded 7 points in that same period. There my red friend lies the difference you have a man who when the going got tough he changed it around we have a blag Mourinho who hasn't got a clue.

06 Mar 2015 20:14:11
I can only speculate, but is it possible that BK has other issues - outside the club - that are making him unavailable (or unable) to make any comment to the fans OR perhaps is it that RM has asked him to say nothing (no dreaded vote of confidence) and instead let him carry on regardless? I doubt that there's any genuine inside information amongst our posters, but, equally, I don't doubt there are plenty of conspiracy theories.

06 Mar 2015 11:10:33
I am firmly in the Martinez out camp, I have been for some while, based on just the posts on here there seems to be no fans whatsoever in the we should keep him camp. However I am also aware that frustrated, angry, upset individuals (lime myself) are more likely to post in these types of forums so is do we think the seemingly 100% of fans wanting him sacked is a true reflection of opinion or is distorted with those of us with an agenda?
Eds I know it probs goes against company policy but could we try uniting some of the other Everton fans pages and try and do a poll of a really significant amount of Evertonians. If it really is such a high percentage of fans wanting him gone these figures could be presented to the club. If the figure is high enough off a large pool of fans then they would have to sit up and take notice. As it stands they are in a position to say the negativity is just the voice of a vocal minority, if we can show that is genuinely not the case (it could be the case though) then it might stir some action.

{Ed025's Note - that would be nigh on impossible to do svenny, as different sites tend to shun each other, the only way to gauge it is to all vote for sacked or not on each site individually and then collate all the data, its a lot of work though for something that is as clear as day mate..

06 Mar 2015 20:19:14
I have bin a backer of Martinez and would still like him to have another season and a chance to bring in some fresh faces mainly wingers think this season has just caught everyone by suprise completely unexpected Martinez has made mistakes also players have not performed and lost all confidence for weeks now I keep thinkin we will win a few games be safe and concentrate on Europa start afresh next season must admit I am getting worried now and time is running out must take at least four points from next two games if not then I think a change wiil have to be made and hopefully it won't be to late one thing we have going for us I really can't see the likes of Leicester burnley qpr hull Sunderland picking up many points 36 37 points should be enough this season I think also think we can go much further in Europa if we can just get safety sorted if we do change manager we need someone who is strong and able to keep this team together potential of a great squad in seasons to come is still there last thing we need is a mass exodus of players which is why Europa is so important done so well in the comp so far winning it is not beyond us losing Martinez now would seriously hurt us in that respect I think so for now ed I going to stick with Martinez but lose to Newcastle and I think something will have to be done one last thing and I'm sure the degsy the predicter will agree osman must start for me think he can add a lot to the team right now never thought I say this but Barkley needs to be dropped for rest of season even as his confidence is completely shot adds nothing to the team right now think it would be best thing for him right now sorry for rant let's just hope for some quick points and put all this behind us:)

{Ed025's Note - your one of the very few who want to give him more time coby, you strike me as a king canute like figure trying to hold back the tide mate.. :)

06 Mar 2015 20:58:15
Just think after last season the excitement and belief he brought to the club highest points total victories against the top sides something unknown to us in recent seasons doing really well in Europa dominating all teams so far win our next tie then anything can happen maybe go all the way if we can just get safety in league outta the way then I would certainly give him till next Christmas to prove himself as I said before all players except for two or three must stand up and take blame also 40 points and Europa win and all will be forgivin for me like all other posters on here I love this club with all my heart and I'm sure we will pull through this and quickly forget it ever happened :)

06 Mar 2015 21:15:48
This man simply does not get the premiership, anyone needing proof of that, need only look at his record with wigan. At best, he is a dreamer, who imagines how football should be played, the reality is, and always has been, that pro football, is first and formost, about results, anything eles, is a very very long-way second to that, and with respect, this is the one centeral thing that Martinez does not get.

06 Mar 2015 10:40:20
Can't see us getting beat at the weekend. it's looking rosy, it's gunna be phenomenal.

06 Mar 2015 12:12:12
Yep after all Stats can be used any way you want them. Hey, maybe that is why he hasn't been sacked yet.

06 Mar 2015 09:01:57
I have put a few posts on here over the last couple of years that received lots of abuse and had people being quite rude to me. The first was saying that Moyes was a special manager and worked on a shoestring budget slowly replacing an ageing squad with youth and vigour. I also stated that the football being played in his last 2 seasons was quite amazing and he did not get the credit he deserved. Martinez came in and he has put his own players in now. Problem is, they are mostly ex Wigan or past their sell by date. or both. We are now in the situation I predicted whereby the age of our squad is overall too old. We need probably 8 or 9 new young players that can contribute with goals. I do not think any club can withstand that sort of change.and we don't have the finances to cherry pick these players. I am really down by the thought of what will happen.not what is already happening. Even if we survive this season, I foresee big big problems ahead caused by the signings that RM has brought in. Lukaku aside, we have no new goalscorers, yet we have 6 or 7 new signings.

06 Mar 2015 09:13:28
good post degsy, I also thought moyes did a good job but could go no further without more funds, which will be a problem going forward especially if a new manager wastes these.
We certainly find and produce good young players, Barkley, stones and Garbutt are testament to that.

06 Mar 2015 10:20:06
I very rarely post to anything you write Degs, but you are 100% spot on. Our long term future is in big trouble. If we lose Garbutt, Barkley, Coleman, Lukaku, Besic or Stones we are in dire trouble. Players like Barry, Distan, Howard, Pienaar need to be moved on. I would keep Jags and Osman for another couple of years. Jags for his leadership and Osman with his skill (being a sub). Martinez cannot be part of our future either!

06 Mar 2015 10:29:52
ross barkleys a good young player? wow the young players in world football must be awful for him to be considered any good. you mentioned moyes replacing an ageing squad, yet his team consisted of a (at the time) 35 year old distin, 33 year old howard, 31 year old osman, 33 year old phil neville, 32 year old tim cahill etc etc. he also never played our young players, didn't trust barkley (unfortunately martinez can't do that, as he's crap), never played stones, browning or garbutt. how many goalscorers did he have? his last season it was just fellaini, before that jelavic and before that saha, before him yakubu and slightly cahill, along with beckford, before him it was johnson and beattie. I want martinez sacked, but moyes is not the answer and is long gone so I have to ask, why do you keep stirring up arguments and repeatidly mention him over and over and over again.

06 Mar 2015 11:09:39
Probably because Moyes turned us from a bottom 8 team when he took over into a regular top 8 team by the time he left and this clown has in 18 months turned us back into a bottom 8 club!
But am with you Swan we need a NEW manager and all our efforts should be focused ahead not on the past
We need to make it clear we don't want the clown prince Martinez and his annoying, embarrassing sound bites anymore

06 Mar 2015 14:01:52
Swan I believe Ross Barkley is an immense talent, however he looks like he goes to KFC everyday for lunch and dinner and is unfit. He is played out of position and therefore has lost all form and is in abysmal form. I will guarantee if he left for Chelsea or Man City or whoever he would be a world beater. Martinez has turned gems like Barkley, Baines, Coleman, Lukaku into spuds because of his ridiculous tactics!

06 Mar 2015 15:40:49
I've said this before but I don't think Barkley is a Number 10 I believe he is a central midfielder and needs time there. His best game this season was as a two with Besic against QPR. He was immense in that game.

As for an old team I wouldn't go that far. Most teams have experienced players and you need that not only on the pitch but also on the bench and in the dressing room. It's what may just keep us up this season.

I have never believed players mean that much in the grand scheme of things but confidence and good management do. Just look at the teams above us and the perfect example is Southampton. Unfortunately, we are bereft of both at the moment.

07 Mar 2015 10:23:47
Swan I think you are bit mixed up mate. Firstly all the players you list from Moyes time certainly all reached those ages, but not at the same time. Nor did they all play in the same team at that age. It is fact that when Moyes took over from Walter Smith, he had a very ageing squad. He slowly aimed to bring the age of the squad down. That is fact. He kept a few more mature players each season but not the number we have now. I also don't think Moyes coming back is the answer as it never works in football. eg Kendall. More importantly, on this Swan banter site, how is it that you are allowed your opinion yet I put something on and all you do is criticise it? Oh yeah it is the Swan Banter Page!

07 Mar 2015 16:29:41
Agree with swan here simple fact is Martinez was left an ageing squad agree with his signings or not most are young IMO besic McCarthy henen lukaku Robles mcgeady bringing stones garbutt Barkley through moyes left Howard distin jags hibbert Baines Ossie pienaar so this post has no real truth pointless

07 Mar 2015 18:18:47
Because I disagree? Is no one allowed to have a pop at king moyes and prince osman? Apologies.

07 Mar 2015 18:29:21
Also what do you mean never played in the same team? I could swear hibbert (another I forgot), howard, distin, osman, neville and cahill all played in the same team at least once. Another reason I keep having a go? i'd like to think when I post its of something important, recent or debatable, not about a manager who won nothing and left 2 years ago, which is all your post bar the ones about osman.

06 Mar 2015 07:55:45
I have posted a suggested team to play the next Euro game and follow against Newcastle. Would appreciate any comments. It is on the TEAMS pages.

06 Mar 2015 09:34:37
only thing is if the players are struggling with RM's current formation then your 3-4-2-1-1 may totally confuse them.

06 Mar 2015 13:05:08
Just trying to come up with something new to replace what's not working, and drop those not performing.

06 Mar 2015 01:22:57
With very few exceptions, we have all, on this site and others, begged the club to give us a chance of survival, and that means only one thing, get that spanish fraud out of our club. If that does not happen, and relegation follows, does anyone expect our great evertonion chairman, to stand up and take responsibility. It can only be his ego, for making a dogs breakfast of an appointment, that is keeping martinez in his job.Yes, to pay him off would come as a major cost, but the price of not doing so, could break the back of our club and leave us like leeds, wondering around in the wilderness, going from one doggey owner to the next.

{Ed025's Note - im with you there JCW..

06 Mar 2015 07:40:57
Bill would have to stand up and say sorry, made a mistake. If Martinez interview had been conducted by considering experience, qualifications and achievements he should not have been appointed. But football clubs do not live in the real world. What bugs me the most is that plan A isn't working so alternatives have to be tried. Although we don't want the board interfering in playing affairs and telling the manager what to do, something should be coming down from upstairs to say things are not good enough and improvement needed. This then opens the door to negotiate lower compensation should the need arise. I can't think for a minute that the board are just going to sit back and let the worst happen, they just cannot.
NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM remember.