Everton Banter Archive January 06 2018

06 Jan 2018 22:37:56
Hi ed's, do you think the number of players we sell or loan out will determine how many we bring in? Are we looking to increase the squad or trim it? Seeing Mirallas joining Barkley in leaving the club I hope it means will try and get in two more attacking/ striking options after Tusan. Fingers crossed they have pace and flair.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs don’t replace loan players.}

07 Jan 2018 12:40:19
Garbutt and Baines are both Wing Backs, have watched Baines for years even when he was at Wigan, as an out and out defender he could not and cannot tackle so his strength is as a WB, the bonus being he can cross and an excellent dead ball taker. Garbutt is a pressure WB excellent at attacking the opposition F/ W B but often hopeless in the tackle, hence the number of fouls he makes. Galloway I liked until I saw him against the little Stoke guy (Shaquiri? ) at our place, the lad had Galloway in his pocket.

06 Jan 2018 20:36:33
A lot of rags saying we have now sold Kev to Olympiacos, shame he never gave his all.

06 Jan 2018 21:10:21
Sky and Alan Myers saying the same Guernsey don't think he will be missed though.

06 Jan 2018 21:42:03
Agree mate poor attitude.

06 Jan 2018 21:58:36
So Sam is trimming the squad Kev, Ross and a few youngsters it's definitely what is needed.

06 Jan 2018 22:48:23
Kev who?

06 Jan 2018 20:28:54
In the past, we've lost players like Rooney, Jeffers and Rodwell to "bigger" clubs because we needed the money to survive.
With Barkley, we didn't need the money as such, but rather it's other issues that appear to have driven him from his boyhood club and from his home city. Such a pity, but the club moves on.

06 jan 2018 21:09:13
glad he's gone. not bitter said it for the last 3 seasons.

06 Jan 2018 22:54:18
Other issues all of his own doing, you can have the world at your feet but if you don't have respect then the bigger more powerful fish will send you down stream or in his case down South.

07 Jan 2018 00:44:40
I just don't see why Chelsea got him and Tottenham wanted him. Got to be in the top 3 most frustrating players ever to wear blue. He chooses not to see the early pass. He takes too many touches and gets tackled. His first touch and passing is questionable at times. Maybe fame got to him before he progressed fully. Never was going to fulfill his potential here. Chelsea is last chance saloon for him. Either he listens and works his butt off and makes it as the player we wanted him to be and us look like fools or he flops and I don't know where he goes after that.

07 Jan 2018 09:30:22
I know were he goes Mowfee, Sunderland haha.

07 Jan 2018 09:32:59
I think he's made a very big mistake going to Chelsea, who has he got to shift out of the team to play, Hazzard, now come on you have to be bloody good or very stupid to think you will b picked in front of him, he will play in the odd game when either has injured or low key games to give hazard a rest.

06 Jan 2018 17:55:46
I'm getting the impression from some of the posts on here that Martina is a bit like that well known spread beginning with the same initial, you either love him or hate him. Personally I think given the fact he's not the greatest defender in any position and given the lack of options in that area he's done okay. He gets the odd decent tackle in. He gets forward as often as he can and he puts in a few half decent crosses. He makes mistakes now and then, but who doesn't? I'm not saying we don't need a replacement in that position, but until we get one we should give him our full support. Schneiderlin on the other hand 🤮😂.

06 Jan 2018 19:12:33
Nothing of the kind BigH. It does not come down to personal attack (hate is a bit strong) I don't know where you sit but my view of the ground is relatively clear, old (er) eyesight permitting. I have not once seen him sprinting (running) back from one of those forward moves. The guy gives it his best shot and for that I commend him but once Sam has his ducks in a row I foresee, Martina, Schneiderlin gone and Rooney as impact sub.

06 Jan 2018 21:37:05
Good honest post there ducks.

07 Jan 2018 09:23:15
I agree DFS 'hate' is a strong word but some of the comments I read from numerous posters aren't exactly complimentary when it comes to Martina. Plus that's what they say on the ad for that spread isn't it? You either love it or hate it? 😝Anyway being housebound I watch all my footy on the big screen 📺 so get a fairly decent view. I did say he's not the best defender, but imo he's doing no worse than Leighton has the last couple of seasons when it comes to the defensive side of his job. Peace Bro ✌.

07 Jan 2018 09:37:17
I've got to be honest until the Liverpool game I wasn't sure, but I watched him, he never won a tackle or won a header, he does a lot of running around but he didn't really do anything, wasn't good defensively and wasn't anywhere going forward, I think he's in the team because we but don't have anyone else to play there, I hope we spend and get someone in, I would like the Southampton lad bertrome, sorry about the spelling.

06 Jan 2018 16:22:32
All tongue in cheek and banter but I hear Schnids is on his way out, our fan in the Annie road end on crutches has been spotted by Walsh as a potential replacement, anyone who can move forward 2 rows of seats has to be a vast improvement on the crab we have playing there.

06 Jan 2018 16:27:00
Funny post mate.

06 Jan 2018 16:30:26
Reckon Schneiderlin must be Ray Wilkins offspring.

06 Jan 2018 16:33:05
like it Baz mate good laugh.

06 Jan 2018 16:41:33
Very witty Baz. Were you up all night thinking that one lol.

06 Jan 2018 16:42:44
On a serious note though I would not play either Schnids or Davies, Davies on his Day is a class player but either needs resting or dropped down to the under 23s for a short while to get his mojo back.

I think one player who could do well there is Baningime, he seems to have more steel and timing of a tackle than Davies and more composed, with Gaye and McCarthy alongside him, that would be a decent midfield for me.

Not for one minute having a pop at Davies, he still young, for me though something is missing from the player we saw last season.

06 Jan 2018 16:53:17
agree with all that Baz mate.

06 Jan 2018 17:47:02
We are being forced to play these kids before they are really ready (if they were ready we would be winning more games) . Davies is quality, but as you say a little boy lost at the mo. Having watched last nite and before Rooney off and after. I just hope we get Sig into the middle and work round that. That should be the 1st name on the team sheet not Shneids. The other kids can be rotated and Baningime is one I would include. So yep agree with all you say.

06 Jan 2018 22:34:12
In the small time he was on the pitch in the Derby Davies done one thing that ALL of our central midfield players have not done all season and is the reason why he needs to play and start every game.

On 90 minutes he won a header on the half way line and got it back to Holgate. It went to Jags and with 3 Liverpool players around him (Davies) he called for the ball instead of running away in our half of the centre circle, made a quick pass to the stationary Snids who passed it out wide to Kenny, carried on running all the way into their penalty box to challenge for the cross from Kenny.

There is no one in our midfield that does that and that's what we miss when you have Gana and Snids even Mccarthy.

We've killed Barkley because he used to lose the ball in advanced areas and doing the same to Davies.

He is 19 and will get so much better. He will make loads of mistakes every game but he will create and drive the midfield forward. When he has an off day forgive him and remember he's a kid.

Me I see so much promise that I can forgive anything he does right now. Because one day he will be brilliant.

06 Jan 2018 22:57:32
Well said BJU, we should nurture his instinct and not restrict it.

06 Jan 2018 13:08:30
Hey Ed025 have to agree with the excellent posts below bar benny of course (usual rubbish) , our whole team is now playing so much better now, Anfield was rocking last night with the sound of Everton fans (put the other lot to shame) , and we were unlucky not to win or at least get something out of that game, no way was that a penalty, as some say below really good to see Little Sam on our goal priceless, i think with a couple of additions and a few moving on things are looking up at Everton, reckon we have turned the corner.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope so GB..

06 Jan 2018 16:34:47
To be fair GB we still have a few more corners to turn. That is 3 lost on the trot now and 2 draws before that. Not exactly scintilating form. I will say that surely Sam must have been impressed with Lookman, Bolasie and especially Sigs (imo in his proper position) and heres hoping he can now begin to marry defence with attack.

06 Jan 2018 16:43:02
Fully agree GB mate especially regards that idiot benny.

I think getting beat was a bit harsh on us but saying that not really convinced we deserved a win, a draw would of been the fairest result. The Reds fans showed their true colours though, silent for so much of the game, maybe they see us as a team that is starting an epic journey and are very scared, either that or they are just bad supporters.

06 Jan 2018 16:49:34
Agree mate, we have to start somewhere though, and I just think the team is starting to play better these days, long way to go as you say mate but a couple of additions in the window will help, as you say Lookman has some talent, cheers.

06 Jan 2018 17:04:52
Both Grumpy mate, hows your peg cheers.

06 Jan 2018 17:37:36
You're right mate, just a couple more additions, nothing too drastic and let the team have some playing time together so they can Gel. We should in fairness be preparing for next season now so we can start as a unit as opposed to 11 individuals that has been the case so far.

As for the foot I'm old school and just have to get on with it, Saying that I'm really milking the sympathy at home.

06 Jan 2018 18:23:15
You are a hero mate.

06 Jan 2018 12:03:52
Hi re last nights game I'd just like to say I loved Sammy Lee's reaction to our goal, and his total disappointment at them scoring. Despite his diminutive stature he is a big man and a true professional and is now a blue.
Big C.

{Ed025's Note - nice guy as well big C..

06 Jan 2018 16:23:18
A well regarded coach and someone i hope the club could hold on to if Sam goes at the end of his contract.

06 Jan 2018 10:07:54
I get that Barklays contract was due to run out but surely the Mayor has a point over the disparity between the supposed 35 mill in Summer and now 15 mill in January. As Chelsea say, they have signed a complete player. That for me is a total bargain, unless of course there is an addon in the wind.

{Ed025's Note - there are add ons mate..

06 Jan 2018 12:07:53
Just think of it this way DFS. He could leave for free in the summer but there are 16 games left of the season maybe a few more for Chelsea. Ross won't start many of them so in reality they have paid about 2 million pounds a game.
Once he's annoyed the London club scene gangsters which he invariably will do he'll, be off abroad.

06 Jan 2018 12:24:46
We need to get over this guys. Chelsea paid 3 x the amount we paid for Sandro and I’m guessing the impact Ross will make for Chelsea will be the same.

06 Jan 2018 09:01:42
The morning after and some reflection. Disappointed with the result but more positives for me compared to the league game.
Pickford was his usual steady self until the goal (still young and will learn but going to be quality)
Kenny may not be Coleman's level yet but always passionate and gives 100% (love him, player of season for me)
Holgate going to be class but still lots of learning needed. Postitionally and temperament.
Jags experienced showed class (what was he doing so far up)
Martina steady I suppose but LB needed immediately.

Schneiderlin needs to go - offers very little and seems confidence is gone.

McCarthy I like him. Busy player but red card waiting to happen.
Rooney let the occasion get to him. Think It's time for impact sub role.

Bolasie oh how glad am i to have his pace back. Needs a bit morre end product but at least we have an out ball.

Siggy. Starting to repay the big fee. Oozes class. Needs to be no. 10 for me.

Dcl runs forever and gives his all and takes no crap from defenders. Still learning but going to be quality I feel.

Lookman looked good again when he came on. Like bolasie needs an end product but got potential.

Niasse like headless chicken but i would keep him. If he doesn't know what he's doing, how do defenders.

Davies not long enough to show what he can do.

In conclusion I would play (all being fit)
Pickford
Kenny/ Coleman
Holgate
Keane
Garbutt/ a n other
Geuye
Davies
Lookman
Siggy
Bolasie
Tosun/ dcl

Siggy number 10 is world class. Needs to be there to show it with pace either side of him and see what this tosun can do.

{Ed025's Note - thats spot on for me geoff mate..

06 Jan 2018 09:15:44
Very good assessment of last night mate, good post.

06 Jan 2018 09:31:39
Agree with most Geoff, Niasse would be one I would let go if we could get another in but think that will be in the summer. Feel for Martina too as it's obviously not his position but gives it a go. Good post mate.

06 Jan 2018 10:14:47
I agree with OP except McCarthy for Davies on current form. I haven’t given up on Schneiderlin yet. I thought at the beginning of the season Gueye and Schneiderlin would compliment each other similar to Kante and Matic did for Chelsea. I still believe they can both give the protection and let Lookman, Bolasie, Sigurdson and Tosun/ DCL do the damage.

06 Jan 2018 10:24:02
Most of it I can agree with but Martina and Niasse are just not a good enough standard.
What's frustrating i'd Klassen and Ramirez not being a contributing part of the team, and our constant reliance on to many youngsters, if indeed our target is top 6above we need more experience.
Totally agree with Siggy in the 10 role let's face it we paid £45m to pit him there and rarely do!

06 Jan 2018 10:27:50
Agree with all that. Jags played well and further forward at times, perhaps Sam remembered that Jags has played as a DM (and a very good one) , he may be the solution to Schneidlerlin until we get someone in.

06 Jan 2018 11:27:14
Robbie. Forgot about McCarthy then but good shout.

06 Jan 2018 12:32:51
Our 2 midfielders need to be able to drop back and cover when the other one bombs forward and vise versa. Unfortunately schneiderlin will never be that type of player, he likes to stay stationary and ping balls sideways, backwards and sometimes forwards. Gana can do it, Rooney can do it, McCarthy can do most of it and then we've got Davies and Baningime as young lads who can do most of what's needed. I don't see a need to have a Schneiderlin. The way our team I shaping I see Rooney or McCarthy as 1st choice alongside Gana.

06 Jan 2018 07:50:30
I want to speculate about the Holgate/ Firmino incident. Firstly there was no justification or teason for Holgate's initial push. It was dangerous and that he went unpunished was amazing. If he had received a red card, he would not have too much defence.

The interesting part was his reaction when Firmino climbed back out of the crowd. Something angered him greatly even causing him to manhandle the ref (lucky boy again) . Firmino is S American. Perhaps his standards of political correctness are not all they might be, especially when angry. Did he say something racial that caused Holgate's anger? If so will Liverpool report it.

{Ed025's Note - my view glen for what its worth is that firmino called him a mother f***** or something similar and and mason interpreted it as something more sinister, all heat of the moment stuff and its easy for things like that to get lost in translation, handbags for me mate and it needs putting to bed..

06 Jan 2018 08:21:00
There's a video doing the rounds on twitter of Holgate screaming at Schneiderlin that he was called the n-word.
Make of it what you will, but he certainly seems sure that's what he heard. Whether that's what was said or not we'll have to wait and see. After the Suarez/ Evra incident - how will Liverpool deal with it?

{Ed025's Note - my view is that its a misunderstanding and that things have been lost in translation TIH, there will be an investigation but i suspect it was something and nothing in the heat of battle mate..

06 Jan 2018 09:09:06
The only word I can make out is "puta". Whatever Firmino called him, after what he did Holgate should think himself lucky that Firmino confined it to insults.

06 Jan 2018 10:35:57
ridiculous comment Glennk. there is no place even in the heat of the moment for use of such insult (whether lost in translation or not) . Blue in the face comes to mind but in this day and age there is no need for it whether on the sporting field or not.

06 Jan 2018 11:22:53
To me there are two separate incidents. Pre-push and post push. Did Firmino say something as both went for the ball that angered Holgate, or did Holgate push him in frustration? If Firmino did say something that needs investigating and dealing with by the FA and club. If Holgate pushed in frustration then he deserves to be punished by both the FA and club. What happens after is another incident and clearly words used would be within earshot of at least 5-6 players and the referee. Regardless of the 1st incident nothing can legislate for using foul insults (racist or not) , and something has clearly upset Holgate over what was said, or what he thinks was said. Being in another country, it is easy as I well know, to revert to your natural tongue when angered, and say something that whilst not too offensive in your own country, is in another one. For me Holgate cannot go unpunished for what he did as he could have seriously injured Firmino. Same as Firmino should face some punishment as his actions after were threatening and had it not been for the referee and other players he too could have injured Holgate. Just to write it off as heat of the battle does not send out a clear message to players that aggression (physical or verbal) is not acceptable on a football pitch. Hopefully it will be sorted quickly and both players advised of their actions being unwanted in the game.

{Ed025's Note - i think your looking too deep here nick, it was handbags for me mate..