Everton Banter Archive December 06 2014

 

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06 Dec 2014 21:31:42
RM says we're building something special at the club? We've just sent out the oldest team on the planet? An I watched our u21 and believe me we are a long way from building anything. Sell Kone, Alcaraz, Gibson, Distan, Barry, Osman and Howard end of season, and bring in some creative midfielders who want to go forwards. Sorry if I've left any off the list please feel free to add on.

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06 Dec 2014 23:01:18
Alcaraz Is a free agent in the summer so we will get nothing, i'd also sell barkley, mcgeady, pienaar and hibbert

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06 Dec 2014 21:18:03
What a disappointment tonight's result was. At least we weren't outclassed interms of the result (even though many of us were prepared for an avalanche had City been on form. The referee was a disgrace first half and should have shown 2 reds after those challenges against Eto'o and Barry, plus the fact that the penalty was soft as I saw it against Jags.
But not let us forget that after their main striking threat was withdrawn that early in the game, why did we not capitalse on their misfortune?
It appears after the recent games against Spurs and Hull that we cannot capitalise given the ascendency after scoring first.
Next week's home game against QPR suddenly becomes unnecessarily massive even after a meaningless run out Europa wise against the Russians.

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06 Dec 2014 20:21:23
What a performance Everton played against 12 when should have been playing against 9. Possibly the worst penalty ever given in 100 years. 2 dead set red cards. Andre Mariner you are a disgrace! What I laugh the most at is the premier league is the best league in the world ( which is true) but actually have the worst referees in the world. I'm angry, frustrated and disappointed for the fact we have only 1 point to show from 3 games.

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06 Dec 2014 19:54:48
Q: does Martinez actually coach corners & free kicks on the training pitch?
A: quite clearly not, & on today's evidence & the last 15 months, my little 3 year old nephew could do a better job

.today was another rubbish performance.we can't even score against a city side without Aguero, Silva, Kompany & a half - fit Toure. get used to it folks, we are going to be a mid-table team this season & then relegation material next season. slowly but surely Bobby is turning our beloved club into a relegation team with no plan b, other teams have now worked us out!! Thought Barkely was awful again when he came on today - constantly losing the ball/possession & poor decision making. I'd bite man city's arm off for £60 million in the summer on this seasons performance thus far, certainly no Gazza for me. felt really sorry for Etooo today, that guy is class & he was really trying in the second half, shame the rest didn't follow suit!!

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I disagree that day was a "rubbish" performance. The second half was a lot better than of late. I didn't expect anything today, so I'm not angry, whereas the previous two matches (Tottenham and Hull) were there for the taking imho and we just didn't do well enough.
Anyway, we move on and try to win the next match and the one after that and so on and so on.

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Rubbish performance? What game did you watch. We had some terrible decisions given against us and we had them pinned back for large periods of the game. Eto ' o was fantastic, best player on the pitch by a country mile. Poor poor referee, would be interesting to read the referee assesors report from the guy in the stands.

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06 Dec 2014 19:40:30
Well, it wasn't the thrashing that many of us feared and we at least made an effort in the second half. The referee was poor and the penalty was soft. However, it's still a defeat - albeit away to team that's genuinely chasing the title - and some of our players are really showing their age and physical limitations. Eto'o did show his skills and intelligence and leadership imho, but too many others are just not performing (and perhaps not capable of performing) as we would like. We clearly need McCarthy, Naismith and Stones back as soon as possible.
Looking forward now to seeing a few youngsters get a runout against Krasnodar and then - after a longer than usual post-Europe break (playing on Monday evening rather than Sunday afternoon) - the home match against QPR.

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06 Dec 2014 20:26:24
'At least we made an effort second half' i'll stop you there, eto vs man city and marriner today, hardly fair

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06 Dec 2014 19:39:05
I know we collectively didn't expect a result today but that performance was disgraceful. It was another gutless, heartless, dare I say passionless performance from us. Martinez is supposed to be a tactician, I quote a commentator from the game against hull: "he looks at football like a chess player, waiting to make the moves to win the game" - yet he brings off Bešić who was constantly pushing us forwards, and leaves Barry on. Barry had his worst performance for me, he thought he was still playing for city. This was reiterated when after the game he was having a laugh and a joke with Milner. The players and manager need to have a good hard look at themselves after this week because to say it has been below par, is a complete understatement. Everton have ruined my weekend again, and no doubt my week, as every day I'll be reminded of how crap we are - aren't liverpool supporters great? - no doubt I expected a thrashing but watching city today we could've had a result, but once again we didn't capitalise. On a day when most of the teams we should be contesting for the top 4 failed, we again have missed out. I don't know what to say, is it wrong for me to expect my team to win games against Tottenham, Hull and City? I don't know. What has happened to our club? We've gone from high flying champions league candidates to relegation candidates. I thought Martinez would: "rather die on his feet than live on his knees" - clearly he's happy with us rolling over week in week out then. I feel sorry for the supporters who have paid to watch that rubbish, and Andre Marriner should never referee a top flight game again.

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{Ed025's Note - besides eto,o there was a real lack of passion for me, coleman looked over priced at £60,000 in that role, we never started pressing until the 70th minute and there are too many players just strolling around the pitch as i see it bloo..

06 Dec 2014 20:29:56
The formation made no sense and clearly didn't work and I hope he never uses it again, if he plays a full strength team against krasnodar then i'm afraid that's it, if we don't beat a qpr team without charlie austin on monday then if possible, can we call this season off? In fact can we do it now? No win (remember, A WIN, nothing less) against qpr then I may have to bring back the early hashtag

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It's as if nobody cares. Nobody wants to give their all for the fans and the club itself

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07 Dec 2014 00:13:08
We have been poor for weeks, I thought today was one of our better games, personally I am still not sure about rm, great first season but now teams worked out plan a we look lost, always side and back passing, we need a plan b and let's be honest for us plan b is look confused. But rm will have positives. Sick ov the "positives" I wona hear him say NOT Good Enough!

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07 Dec 2014 01:30:29
Barry's season has been awful, I would go as far to say when james mac is back fit he should be starting centre mid with mo besic. Stones obviously needs to replace distan as he is now over the hill. I just don't understand the loss of pasion in our team, no fire in the bellies anymore and seem conceeded to mid table at best finish this season. let's all hope we turn in our better more consistent performances in the europa league so we not only can win a trophy, but also gain qualification to europe again, but this time buy quality players during the close season and properly prepare. Starting from the back we couldn't go far wrong signing either mcgregor or pantamillion to replace reckless howard. Lost us more points this season than ever and seems like he has a real anger issue this year. I also think its hibbos last year, he has always been poor going forwards but as a defender he was sound stopping wingers getting past him or crossing the ball, he is no longer able to stop them and by my count needs to leave. Obviously coleman is a starting fullback, but a decent replacement for injuries or suspension is needed unless browning is deemed good enough come the end of the season. That moves me onto centrebacks. Distan is retirement material now, alcaras is too calamitous, jags is suspect at times. So we have stones and possibly jags who I trust can keep clean sheets, another quality centre back is a must in the summer, winston reid is available on a free in the summer I believe. Pienaar is too old and his bainaar patnership has now all but deminished, time for oviedo to take the left wing reigns and make it his starting berth, mirallas has proved his worth to give him the right wing, barkley still has a long way to go to get to gazza standards and needs nurturing by bobby. Lukaku needs to work week in week out on how to use his strengths. Hold up play is going to be crucial if we continue to play slow build up football. Other players i'd like to see join us in the summer are kevin de brunye or konoplyanka to give wide players a run for their places and luis adriano to push lukaku to better things

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06 Dec 2014 19:29:06
Give me strength! we are in trouble.

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Let's see how the remaining December fixtures pan out before we get the Private Frazer shouts of "we're doomed"!
Also, let's hope for a winnable match in the FA Cup third round and beatable opposition in the Europa League round-of-32.

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08 Dec 2014 00:41:29
I don't usually reply to an fellow Evertonian post however I will! Are you watching the same Everton as me? If you are we are terrible at the min! All the managers do now is watch motd and suss us out, we need a big changes and fast we are crap predicatable boring and guttless and cannot see it changing. We are Wigan.

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06 Dec 2014 19:22:29
Barkley booked for diving, these f*cking referees, they are not even crap anymore, i'm honestly convinced they throw games in favour of the top teams, football is finished, a complete and utter joke.

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{Ed025's Note - the ref has been a joke..

The sooner the officials are allowed to review the TV replays and thereby (hopefully) make better decisions, the better things will be imho. However, FIFA, UEFA, the FA, etc., won't allow that. Just as they turn a blind eye to and/or cover up and/or stonewall their own alleged internal wrongdoings, they won't have anything that appears to undermine the officials. I'm amazed that goal line technology and vanishing spray have actually been introduced, so I live in hope for other improvements.

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06 Dec 2014 19:19:25
Mirallas off with 4 minutes left when we need a goal, i'm done, i'm actually done.

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{Ed025's Note - to be fair swan...kev was never likely to provide it today..

06 Dec 2014 19:24:45
Lets say we got a one on one, who do you want kev or osman? Kev can't provide it but osman can, i'm shocked lukaku hasn't been took off for alcaraz yet

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Mirallas must have been subbed at his own request - at least I hope so, as his pace is critical to us doing anything with urgency in attack.

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06 Dec 2014 18:51:58
Barry out the qpr game, for the best, he isn't fit and is playing 3 games a week? 1-0 down and he brings besic off when it would of made sense to sub barry, martinez has finally lost it.

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It'll be interesting to see if RM plays McCarthy and Besic in midfield against QPR - or if he drops Osman back there. I can see Ledson getting a runout in the Europa League, but not yet starting in the Premier League. Gibson looks to be out injured still, but otherwise would surely get some match time as well.

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06 Dec 2014 18:31:43
We are poor but the bloody referee is dire. The only player who appears to want to have a go is Eto'o? What the feck has happened to Shamus lad looks clueless. Hibbert hasn't stopped one cross so why is he playing?

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Once Aguerro had gone, we could have taken Hibbert off, moved Coleman back, and brought somebody else onto our right midfield.

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06 Dec 2014 22:26:56
Really find it difficult to understand RM's starting selections and subsequent substitutions. He must be watching a different game to me!!

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06 Dec 2014 18:21:35
The Referee needs to look at city, martinez needs to look at barry and the fa need to look ar the referees, the beautiful game ladies and gentlemen

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the refereeing performances we're beholding are like the Elephant Man - but at least he had the redeeming qualities of goodness, genuineness, and internal beauty.

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06 Dec 2014 18:14:30
Barry's first half performance is the worst and most embarrassing I've seen in a blue shirt for years!! Can't pass, can't run, can't turn and just pulled out of a tackle!!

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{Ed025's Note - he has been poor kurajan, not many have shone to be honest, there is a lack of craft and guile in midfield for me..mccarthy=besic=barry=gibson...all grafters but wheres the defence splitting pass coming from?..

06 Dec 2014 18:23:24
This is somehing we have needed for years, an attacking midfielder who can pass the ball through to the striker

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Yeah, I agree ED and Swan, we've been do poor and once again strolling around like we're 2 up, however Barty looks like a lad who's playing his first pre season game, he's 3 yards off the pace, not seeing the whole picture when in possession and getting turned and skinned far too easily, last seasons Barry was never caught out of position and if you managed to get past him then he hauled you to the ground!

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Taxi for Barry?
Make it a people-carrier so that a few others can go with him - you reckon?

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06 Dec 2014 17:49:05
F me. That was a red for toure!

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Like a British boxer fighting in America has to KO his opponent just to get a draw, home team players need to decapitate opponents with high tackles before getting a red card.

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06 Dec 2014 17:21:10
Come on you blue boys. Bracing myself but hoping for a good performance at least. Come on!

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06 Dec 2014 16:59:11
Just seen both teams, i'm going 9-0 to city, honestly, be 7 down at half time

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06 Dec 2014 16:23:01
just heard howards not playing

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06 Dec 2014 16:58:25
Everton have said he's starting, I don't know who to believe

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06 Dec 2014 07:26:51
I love being an Evertonian and everything it stands for. I get upset when we lose or draw, when we should have won, but i'm always behind the team believing in them.

Ed, this is a great forum for fans to get things off their chest but to be fair some of the negative posts after our recent run of games, 1 loss in eight I believe, is disappointing. Again people will come back and say it's a game of opinions and everyone has their right to say as they are as passionate about the club as I am, and they have every right too.

There is an article in the Independent today which gives a much more balanced view as to what's happening to our beloved team. It doesn't come out and say this player is rubbish or Roberto doesn't know what he's doing etc etc, its the most sensible and clear look at the current situation. Barry Horne one of our own has a lot to say in the article and he's honest.

I know we go to City today and are expecting the worst but we have some of the best fans in the world that will be right behind them when they step out onto the pitch. Our Away support is tremendous and I doubt very much that there is any player wearing a blue shirt this afternoon will not be giving 110% for the club and the fans supporting them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/roberto-martinez-staying-sunny-but-clouds-gather-over-goodison-9907390.html

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{Ed025's Note - im with you on a lot of that uzbek, especially our away support, the thing with evertonians (myself included) is that they are very passionate, and it hurts like hell when we lose or have a poor result, we wear our hearts on our sleeves mate, and we tend to exaggerate when we underperform, but thats just the way we are, and i for 1 would not change it for the world..

06 Dec 2014 13:22:39
Earlier this week, I bought the book "Harry Catterick: The Untold Story of a Football Great" by Rob Sawyer and thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
What particularly struck me was just how in so many ways The Catt was ahead of the times - especially in terms of tactics and football matters in general (apart from hating us being on TV because he thought it gave away how we set up and played).
It was also clear that his poor relationship with the media - compared to the likes of media-friendly Shankly - did him (and our club) no favours.
His attitude to players was very headmaster-ish and he was by no means a "tracksuit" manager, but not only was he a master in the transfer market, but also he brought many youngsters through the ranks. As a result, he built three winning teams - 1963, 1966 and 1970 - but it fell apart in the early 70s because of his absence through ill-health and the players' decline (injuries, loss of form, aging, etc.).
However, most of the time our football was simply wonderful being both exhilarating and winning.
This book confirmed what I always believed: Harry Catterick is up there there with the media-darlings (Shankly, Busby, Clough, Nicholson, even Revie) and our club's resurgence during the 60s was down to The Catt and the magnificent contribution of chairman John Moores. Now if RM and BK could achieve similar heights - wow!
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It was when Harry Catterick took over as manager when I started following Everton. As far as I was concerned in those days they were the No 1 club in England. You went to Goodison in those days not wondering if they would win, but more how much they would win by. Harry and John Moores were responsible for bringing the best players to the club. I can remember Gordon West, Alex Parker, Jimmy Gabriel, Ray Wilson, Henry Newton, Tony Kay, Alex Scott, Alex Young, Roy Vernon, Tommy Ring, Howard Kendall, Bruce Rioch and Alan Ball all being brought to the club. I never saw any player give less than 100%. The youth players he brought through were Brian Labone, John Hurst, Jimmy Husband, Derek Temple, Joe Royal. I apologise for names I have not mentioned. Oh to see those days again.

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06 Dec 2014 12:43:07
Aint got sky. Laptops bust got now tv box with two day passes for sports channels do you think it will connect to my wifi? Will it f@#k its great being blue:(

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Your WiFi is probably "tired" having connected three times in a week.

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06 Dec 2014 11:03:23
What's the latest on the new stadium? It's gone a bit quiet, would love to see Goodison expanded.

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06 Dec 2014 11:25:38
Id rather have a whole new stadium instead of expanding the tin shed we currently play in

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06 Dec 2014 09:39:38
The poll of day about alliance with team is good idea and tranmere could be perfect. They could play thier without even have to relocate and be easier for the scouts win win

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I voted yes on that poll bretto, I think its a good idea and agree with you about Tranmere being perfect.

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Yeh I don't see point loaning to teams far away

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06 Dec 2014 00:54:34
Bitter I may be but what bugs the rubbish out me is who the hell are Man city yes I expect a whoopen tomorrow but who are they, without there billionaire backers they were nobody's they won sod all when football was football without the money they are nobody and still in my mind don't excised as a big club they have no history. Who the hell are they.

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While ManCity's recent success is clearly down to the money they've received from their owners and while it's true they've spent several periods in the second tier (and even third tier!) of English football, to say they've no history is plain daft.
OK - they only won the top division title twice before the recent money arrived, but they've won the FA Cup five times (same as us), the League Cup three times (we've never won that), and they won the European Cup Winners Cup in 1970 (15 years before we did).
They were the bigger club in Manchester until Matt Busby took ManUtd ahead of them - just like we were the bigger club on Merseyside until we blew it and the darkside regularly started winning trophies domestically and in Europe in the 60s and 70s.

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06 Dec 2014 02:28:29
They are the current champions, they also have the best player in the premier league for them. If you don't know who he is, well he's the top scorer in the league and is head and shoulders above anyone else this season, but don't take my word for it, watch tomorrow when he slots 7 past us. They also have a few other half decent players like yaya toure, david silva, vincent kompany and pablo zabaleta, presumably you don't know who they are either? No matter, 2 will be on display tomorrow, watch, them rip us apart. Man city (remember, the champions) also have a better stadium than us, better players, a better manager, more money and actually win trophies. i'm honestly shocked youve never heard if them, because i'm guessing they haven't heard of us either

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As good as history is we go the match now, you telling me we would of said thanks but no thanks Dixie never scored all those goals so you could come in and spend 500m on facilities and safeguard the future of the club, we would be elated, not to mentioned the amount of charities they have set up in Also, I'm sure there not waiting at City single file 20 mins at half time for a hot dog either

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{Ed001's Note - not being funny but anyone who wouldn't want City's owners at their club is mad! Forget what they have done regarding the team, just look at what they have done for Manchester as a whole. They have completely regenerated an area that was in massive decline. Could you imagine what they could have done for the city of Liverpool if they have bought Everton?}

Would love city, s owners, with all the cash to be able to buy anyone in world football bringing long overdue success to our club, building a new stadium which we badly need. Owners who don't seem to get involved in football matters, prepared to leave it up to the manager.Doesnt look like its going to happen to us in the near future, so until or if it happens I am more than happy to have our own owner running my football club.!

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06 Dec 2014 11:23:38
Id love new owners, the money and stadium, the players and the regeneration of the area of liverpool would be amazing. The only issue being them sacking managers every year, but by god, i'd do anything to have players like sergio aguero and yaya toure at everton

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What a funny old game football is. As much as I would no doubt enjoy watching us win trophies, I would prefer it to happen in an organic way. That is to say, that we continue to develop our club without the financial clout of a billionaire. It would obviosly take a much longer time frame and the chances of being successful are obviously lower. But if you look at Manchester United and see how they have done it over a 40 year period and built up the club and now secure sponsorship deals around the world with all sorts of businesses then compare it to the Chelsea or Man City versions whereby they are totally reliant on a mega billionaire continually pumping cash in. breaking the fair play rules (LFC too come to think about it), then I would rather wait and savour the success based on organic football growth. We did it in the 80's and with the right management, there is no reason why we cannot do it again. Ask any older Evertonian about the state of the club just prior to 84 where we turned it round. It is much more enjoyable that way I am sure.

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{Ed001's Note - you really have no clue, neither Chelsea nor Man City are dependent on their owners to keep going. The money from them is just to take them to a higher level. Just like happened with Man Utd, when they had investment from rich men to build their stadium etc. It never happens without money.}

06 Dec 2014 12:51:52
Ed001: you're right if course - once the initial shot of owner's money has taken a club to the higher level, it's the continuing success (winning trophies, Champions League participation, modern grounds with huge matchday earnings, sponsorship deals, etc.) that generates the commercial income to keep the ball rolling. My concern is that the financial rules, far from giving all clubs equal opportunities, will mean that such big initial investment by new owners would not be permitted for the rest of the clubs. The clubs already "established" by previously-allowed big investment (and massive loans and "restructuring" of shareholding) will maintain their dominance unless another club can make the (almost impossible these days) step into that elite group. Or am I missing something about what can actually be done in modern professional football finances?

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{Ed001's Note - that is exactly what the FFP rules are about, stopping smaller clubs challenging the dominance of the established big boys. It is sad, because one of the things that people enjoy most is the underdog coming from nowhere. With these rules in place, the only way any club can hope to compete is to break them and pay out even more money in ridiculous fines and face possible exlusion from the rich boys tournaments in Europe. It makes it difficult to stay in love with the sport with the way it is run. Still, at least we can be thankful that there is nothing wrong at international level as FIFA have investigated themselves and confirmed that they are doing nothing wrong. Honest.}

Ed001: Aarff-Aarrf! Don't you just love how Septic Bladder runs his FIFA-dom?

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{Ed001's Note - well it is good for us, as it means we always have something to discuss on the sites! Sad thing is that there is no alternative to him, Platini is just as bad.}

Whilst they'll never be able to curb the spending of clubs like City and Chelsea something should be done to keep all clubs on a level playing field, for example if clubs were forced to play 4/5 British players of something. I'm not saying that's the solution but how can any club hope to compete when the other can completely outspend them both in terms of money on offer, and subsequently, as a product of the money, trophies? I don't think it will ever change unless the owners of both clubs turn into the likes of Tan (or even now Cellino) overnight, which isn't going to happen. The only way we as a club can hope to compete is through investing in the youth sides but even then, is that good enough? Who knows?

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I find it interesting that in the USA - the most capitalist, money-rules, winning-is-everything, society there is - that the professional sports leagues work on an almost (I say "almost" advisedly!) socialistic approach of a "no promotion/relegation" structure with player drafts (to give all clubs a chance to get the best players) and a salary cap to keep the wealthier franchises from hugging all of the top-paid best players. OK - it's not quite the ideal level finance & resources playing field that I'm probably portraying it as, but could the FA, UEFA and FIFA (and the various leagues) learn from them?

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{Ed001's Note - it is nice in theory, but I doubt it would be workable. Plus I love the relegation/promotion dogfights, I think they are a big part of the excitement of football.}

Ed001: I'm not advocating it myself - it's just that I find the Ameriacn approach interesting and I wanted to read other points of view.

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{Ed001's Note - if a salary cap and draft could be implemented it would be good. Maybe academies should be affiliated with schools, rather than football clubs?}

Ed001: intriguing idea about linking academies to schools. Thanks for the conversation. Have a good one, mate.

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{Ed001's Note - no worries mate take care and have a good day.}

 
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